Putin wins?

[Freewill]

Heard it from a well known radio personality.

We are sending 1 billion to the Ukraine in loan guarantees, effectively giving them money. Which just happens to be their gas bill to Russia. So in effect we are giving Putin 1 billion dollars.

 

[KNB]

If Reagan were still alive, he'd give that $1b to the Taliban and let them fight Russia.

 

[Rocko]

If Reagan were still alive, he'd give that $1b to the Taliban and let them fight Russia.

The Soviet Union was a bigger threat at the time.

 

[Freewill]

If Reagan were still alive, he'd give that $1b to the Taliban and let them fight Russia.

Which did make sense then and did defeat the Russians in Afghanistan what is wrong with you people? Do you have ADD and then just make up history? Besides it was the Mujahideen fighters that were backed by the US. And although factions may have become the Teliban the Teliban was NOT funded by the US.

Now you can know the truth and tell those who told you this lie.

Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mujahideen fighters passing around the Durand Line border in 1985
Arguably the best-known mujahideen outside the Islamic world, various loosely aligned Afghan opposition groups initially rebelled against the government of the pro-Soviet Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (DRA) during the late 1970s. At the DRA's request, the Soviet Union brought forces into the country to aid the government from 1979. The mujahideen fought against Soviet and DRA troops during the Soviet War in Afghanistan (1979-1989); the United States provided assistance. After the Soviet Union pulled out of the conflict in the late 1980s, the mujahideen fought each other for control in the subsequent Afghan Civil War.[37]

Afghanistan's resistance movement originated in chaos and, at first, regional warlords waged virtually all of its fighting locally. As warfare became more sophisticated, outside support and regional coordination grew. The basic units of mujahideen organization and action continued to reflect the highly decentralized nature of Afghan society and strong loci of competing mujahideen and tribal groups, particularly in isolated areas among the mountains.[38] Eventually, the seven main mujahideen parties allied as the political bloc called Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen.

Many Muslims from other countries assisted the various mujahideen groups in Afghanistan. Some groups of these veterans became significant players in later conflicts in and around the Muslim world. Osama bin Laden, originally from a wealthy family in Saudi Arabia, was a prominent organizer and financier of an all-Arab Islamist group of foreign volunteers; his Maktab al-Khadamat funnelled money, arms, and Muslim fighters from around the Muslim world into Afghanistan, with the assistance and support of the Saudi and Pakistani governments.[39] These foreign fighters became known as "Afghan Arabs" and their efforts were coordinated by Abdullah Yusuf Azzam.

Mujahideen forces caused serious casualties to the Soviet forces, and made the war very costly for the Soviet Union. In 1989 the Soviet Union withdrew its forces from Afghanistan. Many districts and cities then fell to the mujahideen; in 1992 the DRA's last president, Mohammad Najibullah, was overthrown.

However, the mujahideen did not establish a united government, and many of the larger mujahideen groups began to fight each other over power in Kabul. After several years of devastating fighting, a village mullah named Mohammed Omar organized a new armed movement with the backing of Pakistan. This movement became known as the Taliban ("students" in Pashto), referring to the Saudi-backed religious schools known for producing extremism. Veteran mujahideen confronted this radical splinter-group in 1996.

 

[Freewill]

If Reagan were still alive, he'd give that $1b to the Taliban and let them fight Russia.

The Soviet Union was a bigger threat at the time.

Once again the left deflects from the subject at hand, and hey do it with disinformation.

 

[Truthmatters]

yes and he also raised taxes like 9 times but the right lies about that all day long

 

[Truthmatters]

He also race baited with Cadillac welfare queens to win an election.

He also cheated in the elections to win

 

[Freewill]

yes and he also raised taxes like 9 times but the right lies about that all day long

And Obamacare is the biggest tax increase in history so what does that have to do with giving Putin 1 billion? Nothing just another distraction.

 

[Truthmatters]

January 20, 1981 – January 20, 1989


that was the years Reagan was president



http://articles.latimes.com/1986-10-25/news/mn-7435_1_republican-national-committee




GOP Memo Admits Plan Could 'Keep Black Vote Down'

October 25, 1986|From the Washington Post


NEWARK, N.J. — A Republican National Committee official calculated that a so-called ballot security program in Louisiana "could keep the black vote down considerably," according to documents released in federal court Friday.

The documents and court hearing were the latest developments in a controversy over the GOP's ballot program that Democrats maintain is aimed at reducing minority turnout. The Republicans say the program's sole purpose is to purge ineligible voters from voting roles.



Reagan cheated to win the election

 

[Freewill]

He also race baited with Cadillac welfare queens to win an election.

He also cheated in the elections to win

This thread is about loan guarantees not on how Obama won his elections. Please take your ADD medicine or ask your nurse to pull the plug, on your computer that is.

 

[Truthmatters]

Reagan was a lying assed cheater

 

[Truthmatters]

If Reagan were still alive, he'd give that $1b to the Taliban and let them fight Russia.

Which did make sense then and did defeat the Russians in Afghanistan what is wrong with you people? Do you have ADD and then just make up history? Besides it was the Mujahideen fighters that were backed by the US. And although factions may have become the Teliban the Teliban was NOT funded by the US.

Now you can know the truth and tell those who told you this lie.

Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mujahideen fighters passing around the Durand Line border in 1985
Arguably the best-known mujahideen outside the Islamic world, various loosely aligned Afghan opposition groups initially rebelled against the government of the pro-Soviet Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (DRA) during the late 1970s. At the DRA's request, the Soviet Union brought forces into the country to aid the government from 1979. The mujahideen fought against Soviet and DRA troops during the Soviet War in Afghanistan (1979-1989); the United States provided assistance. After the Soviet Union pulled out of the conflict in the late 1980s, the mujahideen fought each other for control in the subsequent Afghan Civil War.[37]

Afghanistan's resistance movement originated in chaos and, at first, regional warlords waged virtually all of its fighting locally. As warfare became more sophisticated, outside support and regional coordination grew. The basic units of mujahideen organization and action continued to reflect the highly decentralized nature of Afghan society and strong loci of competing mujahideen and tribal groups, particularly in isolated areas among the mountains.[38] Eventually, the seven main mujahideen parties allied as the political bloc called Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen.

Many Muslims from other countries assisted the various mujahideen groups in Afghanistan. Some groups of these veterans became significant players in later conflicts in and around the Muslim world. Osama bin Laden, originally from a wealthy family in Saudi Arabia, was a prominent organizer and financier of an all-Arab Islamist group of foreign volunteers; his Maktab al-Khadamat funnelled money, arms, and Muslim fighters from around the Muslim world into Afghanistan, with the assistance and support of the Saudi and Pakistani governments.[39] These foreign fighters became known as "Afghan Arabs" and their efforts were coordinated by Abdullah Yusuf Azzam.

Mujahideen forces caused serious casualties to the Soviet forces, and made the war very costly for the Soviet Union. In 1989 the Soviet Union withdrew its forces from Afghanistan. Many districts and cities then fell to the mujahideen; in 1992 the DRA's last president, Mohammad Najibullah, was overthrown.

However, the mujahideen did not establish a united government, and many of the larger mujahideen groups began to fight each other over power in Kabul. After several years of devastating fighting, a village mullah named Mohammed Omar organized a new armed movement with the backing of Pakistan. This movement became known as the Taliban ("students" in Pashto), referring to the Saudi-backed religious schools known for producing extremism. Veteran mujahideen confronted this radical splinter-group in 1996.

you brought up Reagan

 

[Duped]

Community activism; appeasment

 

[Freewill]

Reagan was a lying assed cheater

Yeah I know I am shooting fish in a barrel but it was KNB in post 2 that brought up Reagan. Again the ADD medicine.

 

[Truthmatters]

you went right to Reagans record


I commented about his record also.


am I banned from talking about him yet you can?

 

[KNB]

If Reagan were still alive, he'd give that $1b to the Taliban and let them fight Russia.

Which did make sense then and did defeat the Russians in Afghanistan what is wrong with you people? Do you have ADD and then just make up history? Besides it was the Mujahideen fighters that were backed by the US. And although factions may have become the Teliban the Teliban was NOT funded by the US.

Now you can know the truth and tell those who told you this lie.

Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mujahideen fighters passing around the Durand Line border in 1985
Arguably the best-known mujahideen outside the Islamic world, various loosely aligned Afghan opposition groups initially rebelled against the government of the pro-Soviet Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (DRA) during the late 1970s. At the DRA's request, the Soviet Union brought forces into the country to aid the government from 1979. The mujahideen fought against Soviet and DRA troops during the Soviet War in Afghanistan (1979-1989); the United States provided assistance. After the Soviet Union pulled out of the conflict in the late 1980s, the mujahideen fought each other for control in the subsequent Afghan Civil War.[37]

Afghanistan's resistance movement originated in chaos and, at first, regional warlords waged virtually all of its fighting locally. As warfare became more sophisticated, outside support and regional coordination grew. The basic units of mujahideen organization and action continued to reflect the highly decentralized nature of Afghan society and strong loci of competing mujahideen and tribal groups, particularly in isolated areas among the mountains.[38] Eventually, the seven main mujahideen parties allied as the political bloc called Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen.

Many Muslims from other countries assisted the various mujahideen groups in Afghanistan. Some groups of these veterans became significant players in later conflicts in and around the Muslim world. Osama bin Laden, originally from a wealthy family in Saudi Arabia, was a prominent organizer and financier of an all-Arab Islamist group of foreign volunteers; his Maktab al-Khadamat funnelled money, arms, and Muslim fighters from around the Muslim world into Afghanistan, with the assistance and support of the Saudi and Pakistani governments.[39] These foreign fighters became known as "Afghan Arabs" and their efforts were coordinated by Abdullah Yusuf Azzam.

Mujahideen forces caused serious casualties to the Soviet forces, and made the war very costly for the Soviet Union. In 1989 the Soviet Union withdrew its forces from Afghanistan. Many districts and cities then fell to the mujahideen; in 1992 the DRA's last president, Mohammad Najibullah, was overthrown.

However, the mujahideen did not establish a united government, and many of the larger mujahideen groups began to fight each other over power in Kabul. After several years of devastating fighting, a village mullah named Mohammed Omar organized a new armed movement with the backing of Pakistan. This movement became known as the Taliban ("students" in Pashto), referring to the Saudi-backed religious schools known for producing extremism. Veteran mujahideen confronted this radical splinter-group in 1996.

No offense, but wikipedia is a useless website. Anyone can write anything that they want on it. Why can't anyone understand that? You don't quote wikipedia even for a highschool book report, but especially not for something as complex as clandestine US military operations. Wikipedia is a basic reference site for people who really don't know anything about a certain topic. If you want to know about US relations in the Middle East, read through the National Security Archives at George Washington University.

The National Security Agency: Declassified
CIA Confirms Role in 1953 Iran Coup
Afghanistan,1973-1990
Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/index2.htm
The Pervez Case and Reagan Administration Nuclear Nonproliferation Policy, 1987
The Central Intelligence Agency 9/11 File: Hundreds of Secret Agency Documents on Osama Bin Laden Declassified
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB97/index.htm
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB370/docs/Document%205.pdf

 

[Freewill]

If Reagan were still alive, he'd give that $1b to the Taliban and let them fight Russia.

Which did make sense then and did defeat the Russians in Afghanistan what is wrong with you people? Do you have ADD and then just make up history? Besides it was the Mujahideen fighters that were backed by the US. And although factions may have become the Teliban the Teliban was NOT funded by the US.

Now you can know the truth and tell those who told you this lie.

Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mujahideen fighters passing around the Durand Line border in 1985
Arguably the best-known mujahideen outside the Islamic world, various loosely aligned Afghan opposition groups initially rebelled against the government of the pro-Soviet Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (DRA) during the late 1970s. At the DRA's request, the Soviet Union brought forces into the country to aid the government from 1979. The mujahideen fought against Soviet and DRA troops during the Soviet War in Afghanistan (1979-1989); the United States provided assistance. After the Soviet Union pulled out of the conflict in the late 1980s, the mujahideen fought each other for control in the subsequent Afghan Civil War.[37]

Afghanistan's resistance movement originated in chaos and, at first, regional warlords waged virtually all of its fighting locally. As warfare became more sophisticated, outside support and regional coordination grew. The basic units of mujahideen organization and action continued to reflect the highly decentralized nature of Afghan society and strong loci of competing mujahideen and tribal groups, particularly in isolated areas among the mountains.[38] Eventually, the seven main mujahideen parties allied as the political bloc called Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen.

Many Muslims from other countries assisted the various mujahideen groups in Afghanistan. Some groups of these veterans became significant players in later conflicts in and around the Muslim world. Osama bin Laden, originally from a wealthy family in Saudi Arabia, was a prominent organizer and financier of an all-Arab Islamist group of foreign volunteers; his Maktab al-Khadamat funnelled money, arms, and Muslim fighters from around the Muslim world into Afghanistan, with the assistance and support of the Saudi and Pakistani governments.[39] These foreign fighters became known as "Afghan Arabs" and their efforts were coordinated by Abdullah Yusuf Azzam.

Mujahideen forces caused serious casualties to the Soviet forces, and made the war very costly for the Soviet Union. In 1989 the Soviet Union withdrew its forces from Afghanistan. Many districts and cities then fell to the mujahideen; in 1992 the DRA's last president, Mohammad Najibullah, was overthrown.



However, the mujahideen did not establish a united government, and many of the larger mujahideen groups began to fight each other over power in Kabul. After several years of devastating fighting, a village mullah named Mohammed Omar organized a new armed movement with the backing of Pakistan. This movement became known as the Taliban ("students" in Pashto), referring to the Saudi-backed religious schools known for producing extremism. Veteran mujahideen confronted this radical splinter-group in 1996.

No offense, but wikipedia is a useless website. Anyone can write anything that they want on it. Why can't anyone understand that? You don't quote wikipedia even for a highschool book report, but especially not for something as complex as clandestine US military operations. Wikipedia is a basic reference site for people who really don't know anything about a certain topic. If you want to know about US relations in the Middle East, read through the National Security Archives at George Washington University.

The National Security Agency: Declassified
CIA Confirms Role in 1953 Iran Coup
Afghanistan,1973-1990
Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?
Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein
The Pervez Case and Reagan Administration Nuclear Nonproliferation Policy, 1987
The Central Intelligence Agency 9/11 File: Hundreds of Secret Agency Documents on Osama Bin Laden Declassified
The Taliban File
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB370/docs/Document%205.pdf

This article that you supplied says the same thing:

Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?

Do you dispute the truth that the US did not supply the Taliban?

 

[Katzndogz]

If Reagan were still alive, he'd give that $1b to the Taliban and let them fight Russia.

The Soviet Union was a bigger threat at the time.

Once again the left deflects from the subject at hand, and hey do it with disinformation.

And another lib lie. It might be a racist lie too to assume that all Afghans are Taliban.

 

[KNB]

I'm sorry. I was wrong. Reagan did not give $1b to the Taliban. That was factually incorrect.

Reagan gave billions of dollars in aid to the psychotic right-wing Muslim terrorists who later became the Taliban. Big difference. Republicans are always right.... wing. Ronald Reagan was a hero for selling weapons to terrorists, and Iran-Contra was a good thing.

Operation Cyclone (1979-1989): A Brief Analysis of the U.S. Involvement in the Soviet-Afghan War | Nolan Kraszkiewicz - Academia.edu
IRAN CONTRA AT 25: REAGAN AND BUSH 'CRIMINAL LIABILITY' EVALUATIONS
National Security Archive/Publications/Documents Readers/The Iran-Contra Scandal
The Taliban Biography: The Structure and Leadership of the Taliban 1996-2002
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB295/Taliban_Structure.pdf

 

[velvtacheeze]

Heard it from a well known radio personality.

We are sending 1 billion to the Ukraine in loan guarantees, effectively giving them money. Which just happens to be their gas bill to Russia. So in effect we are giving Putin 1 billion dollars.

The GOP House penny pinches on healthcare for the poor, but writes a big check for a ill-governed, corruption-filled country whose well-being and safety are not our responsibility.