Q for Progressives

[Pogo]

PRESENT! I AM a Goldwater Conservative and it has nothing to do with race. This idea that Conservative has anything to do with politics is a bunch of crap.
Conservative is HOW you use or view something.

A conservative views money as something to improve life standards and as a reward for work.
A liberal views money as "shared" wealth and as a reward for their idea of "good thoughts.

Wrong on both counts, Pinky. "Liberal/conservative" ain't got squat to do with money or "thoughts" or "rewards". Has to do with political philosophy and how you view the role of government.

"Conservative" is dependent on the time context. When Liberals founded this country, "conservative" meant keeping the status quo of the authority of the Church and Nobility over the People, where Liberalism believed just the opposite. "Liberal" means government stays out of the way and remains passive more than active.

Racism doesn't really enter into either one -- you can certainly be Conservative and not be racist at all. But you cannot be Liberal and be racist, since the concept of racism requires a class hierarchy -- which Liberals by definition don't believe in.

"Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems."

Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

Liberals believe an all-seeing, all-knowing big government should free them from responsibilities and provide them with everything they need, from cradle to grave. They believe markets should be heavily regulated by this government, they believe personal liberties should be forfeited for the good of the community, and that traditional American values should be replaces with more global values because "America is evil", They truly believe that the only reason this country has what it does, is because it was "stolen" from others. They also believe that this countries greatness should be given back to those poor, indigenous peoples and that because the rest of the word has to sit in cold, dark houses with nothing to eat, , we should do the same.

Fuck them.

Horse. Shit.

Liberalism views government like a referee, whose job is to maintain a level and equal playing field for individuals, ideas, businesses and institutions. Government is not to take sides or support any given view or organization. Conservatives, socialists, and others, i.e. the "Left" and the "Right", seek to use government to promote certain agendas, viewpoints, institutions, and interests.

... Liberal, in the classical sense of the word, simply means a "hands off", or laissez-faire, policy. The United States is classically seen as an example of "liberal democracy," as George Washington stated in 1790:

"The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights." (linque)
​

I hate to break it to you, but the government you elected hasn't leveled the playing field for anyone. If anyone has benefited from Obama's banana republic, it's been the upper-income earners and Wall Street.

Meanwhile black people have really suffered. There's more racial division and more of them on food stamps, than any time before. You better hope that Hillary doesn't to for woman, what Obama's done for blacks.

You don't have the first clue who or what I voted for, nor was anything in my post about that. I posted about what Liberalism is. Sorry you found the topic so toxic you have to completely deflect to parts unknown.

 

[JGalt]

I voted for Goldwater. A no brainer....only a fool would have trusted LBJ.

LBJ got alot of US boys killed in Vietnam, thanks to his pussy-foot way of running a war. And he created lots of urban sprawl thanks to his "Great Society".

Should have been him in that limousine in Dallas, instead.

 

[Pogo]

I voted for Goldwater. A no brainer....only a fool would have trusted LBJ.

LBJ got alot of US boys killed in Vietnam, thanks to his pussy-foot way of running a war. And he created lots of urban sprawl thanks to his "Great Society".

Should have been him in that limousine in Dallas, instead.

Again, horse shit. Urban sprawl was spreading way before LBJ's time.

 

[JGalt]

Wrong on both counts, Pinky. "Liberal/conservative" ain't got squat to do with money or "thoughts" or "rewards". Has to do with political philosophy and how you view the role of government.

"Conservative" is dependent on the time context. When Liberals founded this country, "conservative" meant keeping the status quo of the authority of the Church and Nobility over the People, where Liberalism believed just the opposite. "Liberal" means government stays out of the way and remains passive more than active.

Racism doesn't really enter into either one -- you can certainly be Conservative and not be racist at all. But you cannot be Liberal and be racist, since the concept of racism requires a class hierarchy -- which Liberals by definition don't believe in.

"Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems."

Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

Liberals believe an all-seeing, all-knowing big government should free them from responsibilities and provide them with everything they need, from cradle to grave. They believe markets should be heavily regulated by this government, they believe personal liberties should be forfeited for the good of the community, and that traditional American values should be replaces with more global values because "America is evil", They truly believe that the only reason this country has what it does, is because it was "stolen" from others. They also believe that this countries greatness should be given back to those poor, indigenous peoples and that because the rest of the word has to sit in cold, dark houses with nothing to eat, , we should do the same.

Fuck them.

Horse. Shit.

Liberalism views government like a referee, whose job is to maintain a level and equal playing field for individuals, ideas, businesses and institutions. Government is not to take sides or support any given view or organization. Conservatives, socialists, and others, i.e. the "Left" and the "Right", seek to use government to promote certain agendas, viewpoints, institutions, and interests.

... Liberal, in the classical sense of the word, simply means a "hands off", or laissez-faire, policy. The United States is classically seen as an example of "liberal democracy," as George Washington stated in 1790:

"The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights." (linque)
​

I hate to break it to you, but the government you elected hasn't leveled the playing field for anyone. If anyone has benefited from Obama's banana republic, it's been the upper-income earners and Wall Street.

Meanwhile black people have really suffered. There's more racial division and more of them on food stamps, than any time before. You better hope that Hillary doesn't to for woman, what Obama's done for blacks.

The US has been headed toward being a banana republic since Reagan.
A rich republican said to me, when Reagan won, "the good life is back".

At least then we were only heading toward being a "banana republic". We're more in danger of becoming a third-world Somalian-style dictatorship now.

 

[JGalt]

Wrong on both counts, Pinky. "Liberal/conservative" ain't got squat to do with money or "thoughts" or "rewards". Has to do with political philosophy and how you view the role of government.

"Conservative" is dependent on the time context. When Liberals founded this country, "conservative" meant keeping the status quo of the authority of the Church and Nobility over the People, where Liberalism believed just the opposite. "Liberal" means government stays out of the way and remains passive more than active.

Racism doesn't really enter into either one -- you can certainly be Conservative and not be racist at all. But you cannot be Liberal and be racist, since the concept of racism requires a class hierarchy -- which Liberals by definition don't believe in.

"Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems."

Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

Liberals believe an all-seeing, all-knowing big government should free them from responsibilities and provide them with everything they need, from cradle to grave. They believe markets should be heavily regulated by this government, they believe personal liberties should be forfeited for the good of the community, and that traditional American values should be replaces with more global values because "America is evil", They truly believe that the only reason this country has what it does, is because it was "stolen" from others. They also believe that this countries greatness should be given back to those poor, indigenous peoples and that because the rest of the word has to sit in cold, dark houses with nothing to eat, , we should do the same.

Fuck them.

Horse. Shit.

Liberalism views government like a referee, whose job is to maintain a level and equal playing field for individuals, ideas, businesses and institutions. Government is not to take sides or support any given view or organization. Conservatives, socialists, and others, i.e. the "Left" and the "Right", seek to use government to promote certain agendas, viewpoints, institutions, and interests.

... Liberal, in the classical sense of the word, simply means a "hands off", or laissez-faire, policy. The United States is classically seen as an example of "liberal democracy," as George Washington stated in 1790:

"The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights." (linque)
​

I hate to break it to you, but the government you elected hasn't leveled the playing field for anyone. If anyone has benefited from Obama's banana republic, it's been the upper-income earners and Wall Street.

Meanwhile black people have really suffered. There's more racial division and more of them on food stamps, than any time before. You better hope that Hillary doesn't to for woman, what Obama's done for blacks.

You don't have the first clue who or what I voted for, nor was anything in my post about that. I posted about what Liberalism is. Sorry you found the topic so toxic you have to completely deflect to parts unknown.

It's pretty obvious who you voted for, you're wearing it on your sleeve. And yes you are correct, I do find liberalism toxic. And destructive.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I've heard your fictional narrative that southern Democrat Racists were actually "Conservatives"

My question is were these Goldwater Conservatives?

Here ya go Franko:

"for Progressives" huh? This thread been sitting here a hundred years? Didn't notice until now...

From the alinsky playbook. Have any pics of Democrats squinting blacks with a hose

Remember when Ike Conservative Republican had to send in 82nd to liberate the schools from Racist KKK Democrats

 

[Uncensored2008]

I've heard your fictional narrative that southern Democrat Racists were actually "Conservatives"

My question is were these Goldwater Conservatives?

Here ya go Franko:

"for Progressives" huh? This thread been sitting here a hundred years? Didn't notice until now...

How long did it take you to photoshot that, Pogo?

 

[JGalt]

I've heard your fictional narrative that southern Democrat Racists were actually "Conservatives"

My question is were these Goldwater Conservatives?

Here ya go Franko:

"for Progressives" huh? This thread been sitting here a hundred years? Didn't notice until now...

From the alinsky playbook. Have any pics of Democrats squinting blacks with a hose

No pictures of the Democrats putting the fire hose on the civil rights activists, how about some doggies?

Remember when Ike Conservative Republican had to send in 82nd to liberate the schools from Racist KKK Democrats

 

[Pogo]

I've heard your fictional narrative that southern Democrat Racists were actually "Conservatives"

My question is were these Goldwater Conservatives?

Here ya go Franko:

"for Progressives" huh? This thread been sitting here a hundred years? Didn't notice until now...

How long did it take you to photoshot that, Pogo?

It's from the Library of Congress.

Actually they didn't even have Photoshop in 1964. Fun fact.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Did you know that Goldwater founded the NAACP in Arizona? He was a member until his death.

Pogo is what is known as a "fucking liar."

Pogo looks at what will serve his filthy party, or defame the opposition that he hates, and then he posts it. It's not that Pogo has no ethics against lying, it's that he never even considers whether what he posts is a lie - that isn't part of the equation. The party is the ONLY thing to him. He will say ANYTHING to promote the party or to slander the hated enemy.

 

[jknowgood]

PRESENT! I AM a Goldwater Conservative and it has nothing to do with race. This idea that Conservative has anything to do with politics is a bunch of crap.
Conservative is HOW you use or view something.

A conservative views money as something to improve life standards and as a reward for work.
A liberal views money as "shared" wealth and as a reward for their idea of "good thoughts.

Wrong on both counts, Pinky. "Liberal/conservative" ain't got squat to do with money or "thoughts" or "rewards". Has to do with political philosophy and how you view the role of government.

"Conservative" is dependent on the time context. When Liberals founded this country, "conservative" meant keeping the status quo of the authority of the Church and Nobility over the People, where Liberalism believed just the opposite. "Liberal" means government stays out of the way and remains passive more than active.

Racism doesn't really enter into either one -- you can certainly be Conservative and not be racist at all. But you cannot be Liberal and be racist, since the concept of racism requires a class hierarchy -- which Liberals by definition don't believe in.

Liberalism founded this country? Holy shit, you are so full of shit. Lol It has taken liberalism only 50 plus years to destroy this once great country.

 

[Political Junky]

I've heard your fictional narrative that southern Democrat Racists were actually "Conservatives"

My question is were these Goldwater Conservatives?

Here ya go Franko:

"for Progressives" huh? This thread been sitting here a hundred years? Didn't notice until now...

How long did it take you to photoshot that, Pogo?

Cons assume everyone uses Photoshop, because they do it so often.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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It's from the Library of Congress.

And then you changed "Wallace" to "Goldwater?"

Actually they didn't even have Photoshop in 1964. Fun fact.

ThinkProgress didn't alter it until 2015....

 

[Pogo]

"Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals. Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems."

Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

Liberals believe an all-seeing, all-knowing big government should free them from responsibilities and provide them with everything they need, from cradle to grave. They believe markets should be heavily regulated by this government, they believe personal liberties should be forfeited for the good of the community, and that traditional American values should be replaces with more global values because "America is evil", They truly believe that the only reason this country has what it does, is because it was "stolen" from others. They also believe that this countries greatness should be given back to those poor, indigenous peoples and that because the rest of the word has to sit in cold, dark houses with nothing to eat, , we should do the same.

Fuck them.

Horse. Shit.

Liberalism views government like a referee, whose job is to maintain a level and equal playing field for individuals, ideas, businesses and institutions. Government is not to take sides or support any given view or organization. Conservatives, socialists, and others, i.e. the "Left" and the "Right", seek to use government to promote certain agendas, viewpoints, institutions, and interests.

... Liberal, in the classical sense of the word, simply means a "hands off", or laissez-faire, policy. The United States is classically seen as an example of "liberal democracy," as George Washington stated in 1790:

"The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights." (linque)
​

I hate to break it to you, but the government you elected hasn't leveled the playing field for anyone. If anyone has benefited from Obama's banana republic, it's been the upper-income earners and Wall Street.

Meanwhile black people have really suffered. There's more racial division and more of them on food stamps, than any time before. You better hope that Hillary doesn't to for woman, what Obama's done for blacks.

You don't have the first clue who or what I voted for, nor was anything in my post about that. I posted about what Liberalism is. Sorry you found the topic so toxic you have to completely deflect to parts unknown.

It's pretty obvious who you voted for, you're wearing it on your sleeve. And yes you are correct, I do find liberalism toxic. And destructive.

That's because you don't have a clue wtf you're talking about. As I just got done illustrating before you went off on a side trip to "what I voted for", "banana republics" and "what Hillary doesn't to for women", none of which has one iota of jack squat to do with the topic.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Horse. Shit.

Liberalism views government like a referee, whose job is to maintain a level and equal playing field for individuals, ideas, businesses and institutions. Government is not to take sides or support any given view or organization. Conservatives, socialists, and others, i.e. the "Left" and the "Right", seek to use government to promote certain agendas, viewpoints, institutions, and interests.

... Liberal, in the classical sense of the word, simply means a "hands off", or laissez-faire, policy. The United States is classically seen as an example of "liberal democracy," as George Washington stated in 1790:

"The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights." (linque)
​

You are not liberal Pogo - you are a leftist,

What you promote is in line with Josef Stalin, but has no connection to Thomas Jefferson.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Most of Europe has better infrastructure than the US. They have health care for all and over all better quality of life.

So, you've never been to Europe.

I hope you get a chance someday.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I've heard your fictional narrative that southern Democrat Racists were actually "Conservatives"

My question is were these Goldwater Conservatives?

No, conservatives are not racists, they simply value tradition & feel change should be slow in coming. The Dixiecrats would have agreed to abolish Jim Crow Laws later than sooner, I suspect by 2155 they might have allowed black people to eat at a lunch counter with whites, maybe even approve of white women enjoying equal pay for equal work a bit later, at least by the first decade of the 23rd Century.

 

[JGalt]

Liberals believe an all-seeing, all-knowing big government should free them from responsibilities and provide them with everything they need, from cradle to grave. They believe markets should be heavily regulated by this government, they believe personal liberties should be forfeited for the good of the community, and that traditional American values should be replaces with more global values because "America is evil", They truly believe that the only reason this country has what it does, is because it was "stolen" from others. They also believe that this countries greatness should be given back to those poor, indigenous peoples and that because the rest of the word has to sit in cold, dark houses with nothing to eat, , we should do the same.

Fuck them.

Horse. Shit.

Liberalism views government like a referee, whose job is to maintain a level and equal playing field for individuals, ideas, businesses and institutions. Government is not to take sides or support any given view or organization. Conservatives, socialists, and others, i.e. the "Left" and the "Right", seek to use government to promote certain agendas, viewpoints, institutions, and interests.

... Liberal, in the classical sense of the word, simply means a "hands off", or laissez-faire, policy. The United States is classically seen as an example of "liberal democracy," as George Washington stated in 1790:

"The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights." (linque)
​

I hate to break it to you, but the government you elected hasn't leveled the playing field for anyone. If anyone has benefited from Obama's banana republic, it's been the upper-income earners and Wall Street.

Meanwhile black people have really suffered. There's more racial division and more of them on food stamps, than any time before. You better hope that Hillary doesn't to for woman, what Obama's done for blacks.

You don't have the first clue who or what I voted for, nor was anything in my post about that. I posted about what Liberalism is. Sorry you found the topic so toxic you have to completely deflect to parts unknown.

It's pretty obvious who you voted for, you're wearing it on your sleeve. And yes you are correct, I do find liberalism toxic. And destructive.

That's because you don't have a clue wtf you're talking about. As I just got done illustrating before you went off on a side trip to "what I voted for", "banana reppublics" and "what Hillary doesn't to for women", none of which has one iota of jack squat to do with the topic.

Jeez, you former Obama voters are jumping off the ship like rats. Was it because he didn't fulfill your dreams of a Socialist's paradise like Cuba or Venezuela?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

From Barry Goldwater prescient and principled opposition to the Civil Rights Act,

"To give genuine effect to the prohibitions of tho bill will require the creation of a Federal police force of mammoth proportions"

 

[Uncensored2008]

Cons assume everyone uses Photoshop, because they do it so often.

Very little of what forum leftists post is true. The Soros hate sites run non-stop creating slander and libel against the enemies of the party. Notice that it took Pogo exactly long enough to log on to DailyKOS to produce that absurd fabrication?

Right now Pogo will swear it's really a real picture - later he'll claim it was satire and I'm just stupid for not recognizing satire...

You Communists have a pattern of behavior.