R.I.P. "Never-Trump" movement, 2015-2024

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The "Never-Trumper" coalition is dead. It's over. While they were yammering about "fascism" and "protect muh democracy" and voting for Kamala Harris, what ordinary people really cared about this year were the high cost of living and the chaos at the border.


Done With Never Trump​


"It’s been more than nine years since I first denounced Donald Trump as a “loudmouth vulgarian appealing to quieter vulgarians.” I’ve called myself a Never Trump conservative ever since, even when I agreed with his policies from time to time. I also opposed him throughout his run this year.

Could his second term be as bad as his most fervent critics fear? Yes. Is it time to drop the heavy moralizing and incessant doomsaying that typified so much of the Never Trump movement — and that rendered it politically impotent and frequently obtuse? Yes, please.

Who, and what, is Trump? He’s a man and the symbol of a movement. The man is crass but charismatic, ignorant but intuitive, dishonest but authentic. The movement is patriotic — and angry.

Some of that anger is intensely bigoted and some of it misplaced. That side of the anger gets most of the media’s attention. But some of it, too, is correctly directed at a self-satisfied elite that thinks it knows better but often doesn’t, whether the subject is Covid restrictions, immigration policy or how to get our allies to pay more for their defense.

It’s Trump’s sulfurous contempt for that elite — his refusal to be shaped by their norms or shamed by their scorn and his willingness to call out their hypocrisy — that makes him a hero to his followers. Cases in point: How come so many who denounce Trump as a sexual predator were, 20 years earlier, Bill Clinton’s steadfast defenders? Why were the same people who demanded investigations into every corner of the Trump family’s business dealings so incurious about the Biden family’s dealings, like the curiously high prices for Hunter’s paintings?

Never Trumpers — I include myself in this indictment — never quite got the point. It wasn’t that we’d forgotten Clinton’s scandals or were ignorant of the allegations about the Bidens. It’s that we thought Trump degraded the values that conservatives were supposed to stand for. We also thought that Trump represented a form of illiberalism that was antithetical to our “free people, free markets, free world” brand of conservatism and that was bound to take the Republican Party down a dark road.

In this we weren’t wrong: There’s plenty to dislike and fear about Trump from a traditionally conservative standpoint. But Never Trumpers also overstated our case and, in doing so, defeated our purpose.

How so? We warned that Trump would be a reckless president who might stumble into World War III. If anything, his foreign policy in his first term was, in practice, often cautious to a fault. We hyperventilated about his odd chumminess with Vladimir Putin. But the collusion allegations were a smear, and Trump’s Russia policy — whether it was his opposition to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline or his covert aid to Ukraine — was much tougher than either Barack Obama’s or (at least until Russia invaded Ukraine) President Biden’s.

We predicted that Trump’s rhetoric would wreck the Republican Party’s chances to win over the constituencies the party had identified, after 2012, as key to its future. But we missed that his working-class appeal would also reach working-class minorities — like the 48 percent of Latino male voters who cast their ballots for him last month. And we were alarmed by Trump’s protectionism and big-spending ways. But the economy mostly thrived under him, at least until the pandemic.

We also talked a lot about democracy. That’s important: The memory of Jan. 6 and Trump’s 2020 election lies were the main reasons I voted for Kamala Harris. But if democracy means anything, it’s that ordinary people, not elites, get to decide how important an event like Jan. 6 is to them. Turns out, not so much.

What ordinary people really cared about this year were the high cost of living and the chaos at the border. Why did Trump — so often deprecated by his critics as a fortunate fool — understand this so well while we fecklessly carried on about the soul of the nation?

What else did we not sufficiently appreciate? That, as much as Trump might lie, Americans also felt lied to by the left — particularly when it came to the White House cover-up of Biden’s physical and mental decline. That, as bigoted as elements of the MAGA world can be, there is plenty of bigotry to go around — not least in the torrent of Israel-bashing and antisemitism that emerged from the cultural left after Oct. 7. That, as much as we fear Trump could wreck some of our institutions, whether it’s higher education or the F.B.I., many of those institutions are already broken and may need to be reconceived or replaced.

So here’s a thought for Trump’s perennial critics, including those of us on the right: Let’s enter the new year by wishing the new administration well, by giving some of Trump’s cabinet picks the benefit of the doubt, by dropping the lurid historical comparisons to past dictators, by not sounding paranoid about the ever-looming end of democracy, by hoping for the best and knowing that we need to fight the wrongs that are real and not merely what we fear, that whatever happens, this too shall pass.

Enjoy the holidays."

Opinion | Done With Never Trump
 
The Republican never-Trumpers failed to recognize the most important thing:

There’s No Denying It Anymore: Trump Is Not a Fluke—He’s America
From your link:

"America deserves everything it is about to get. We had a chance to stand united against fascism, authoritarianism, racism, and bigotry, but we did not. We had a chance to create a better world for not just ourselves but our sisters and brothers in at least some of the communities most vulnerable to unchecked white rule, but we did not. We had a chance to pass down a better, safer, and cleaner world to our children, but we did not. Instead, we chose Trump, JD Vance, and a few white South African billionaires who know a thing or two about instituting apartheid."

Democrats lost. Whine if you must. Kamala was a terrible candidate. America won by electing Trump, that is a fact.

p.s. shove that race card up your ass...sideways.
 
Hold your horses. I support Trumps policies as they pertain to China. He has a difficult task of addressing the Ukraine war and China, while also defending your border and finding peace in the Middle East. Trump has four years to get it done and I believe he can as he now knows the difference (I hope) between the Establishment and those who love America. He has to succeed though.
 
The "Never-Trumper" coalition is dead. It's over.

Dear Mr Salt ,
I believe that assertion . It seems correct --- ignoring the Extremist Lefty Mutants who need medical treatnent , not political persuasion .

But I am still concerned at the huge bias toward Judaism shown by Donny in his own CV and in those of so many of his Cabinet and Advisor selections .
My personal suspicion is that Donny has no great spiritual motivation but essentially embraces that part of the available spectrum earmarked -- as it were --- for International Jewish Settlement Banking Monopoly reasons and advantages .
Which is most pragmatic .

However , I fear the Geo Political consequences in that the insane NuttyYahoo types will obtain far too much leverage in the Middle East and through its other HQs centres in Washington and London .
Eventually this will force something like Russia , Iran and Turkey to spearhead a final attack on Israel -- which means Deep State -- which will approach Armageddon intensity .
Naturally I do not expect you to share my deep reservations about this huge public figure, so I rest my point of view .

" Dans l'immediat"
 
The "Never-Trumper" coalition is dead. It's over. While they were yammering about "fascism" and "protect muh democracy" and voting for Kamala Harris, what ordinary people really cared about this year were the high cost of living and the chaos at the border.


Done With Never Trump​


"It’s been more than nine years since I first denounced Donald Trump as a “loudmouth vulgarian appealing to quieter vulgarians.” I’ve called myself a Never Trump conservative ever since, even when I agreed with his policies from time to time. I also opposed him throughout his run this year.

Could his second term be as bad as his most fervent critics fear? Yes. Is it time to drop the heavy moralizing and incessant doomsaying that typified so much of the Never Trump movement — and that rendered it politically impotent and frequently obtuse? Yes, please.

Who, and what, is Trump? He’s a man and the symbol of a movement. The man is crass but charismatic, ignorant but intuitive, dishonest but authentic. The movement is patriotic — and angry.

Some of that anger is intensely bigoted and some of it misplaced. That side of the anger gets most of the media’s attention. But some of it, too, is correctly directed at a self-satisfied elite that thinks it knows better but often doesn’t, whether the subject is Covid restrictions, immigration policy or how to get our allies to pay more for their defense.

It’s Trump’s sulfurous contempt for that elite — his refusal to be shaped by their norms or shamed by their scorn and his willingness to call out their hypocrisy — that makes him a hero to his followers. Cases in point: How come so many who denounce Trump as a sexual predator were, 20 years earlier, Bill Clinton’s steadfast defenders? Why were the same people who demanded investigations into every corner of the Trump family’s business dealings so incurious about the Biden family’s dealings, like the curiously high prices for Hunter’s paintings?

Never Trumpers — I include myself in this indictment — never quite got the point. It wasn’t that we’d forgotten Clinton’s scandals or were ignorant of the allegations about the Bidens. It’s that we thought Trump degraded the values that conservatives were supposed to stand for. We also thought that Trump represented a form of illiberalism that was antithetical to our “free people, free markets, free world” brand of conservatism and that was bound to take the Republican Party down a dark road.

In this we weren’t wrong: There’s plenty to dislike and fear about Trump from a traditionally conservative standpoint. But Never Trumpers also overstated our case and, in doing so, defeated our purpose.

How so? We warned that Trump would be a reckless president who might stumble into World War III. If anything, his foreign policy in his first term was, in practice, often cautious to a fault. We hyperventilated about his odd chumminess with Vladimir Putin. But the collusion allegations were a smear, and Trump’s Russia policy — whether it was his opposition to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline or his covert aid to Ukraine — was much tougher than either Barack Obama’s or (at least until Russia invaded Ukraine) President Biden’s.

We predicted that Trump’s rhetoric would wreck the Republican Party’s chances to win over the constituencies the party had identified, after 2012, as key to its future. But we missed that his working-class appeal would also reach working-class minorities — like the 48 percent of Latino male voters who cast their ballots for him last month. And we were alarmed by Trump’s protectionism and big-spending ways. But the economy mostly thrived under him, at least until the pandemic.

We also talked a lot about democracy. That’s important: The memory of Jan. 6 and Trump’s 2020 election lies were the main reasons I voted for Kamala Harris. But if democracy means anything, it’s that ordinary people, not elites, get to decide how important an event like Jan. 6 is to them. Turns out, not so much.

What ordinary people really cared about this year were the high cost of living and the chaos at the border. Why did Trump — so often deprecated by his critics as a fortunate fool — understand this so well while we fecklessly carried on about the soul of the nation?

What else did we not sufficiently appreciate? That, as much as Trump might lie, Americans also felt lied to by the left — particularly when it came to the White House cover-up of Biden’s physical and mental decline. That, as bigoted as elements of the MAGA world can be, there is plenty of bigotry to go around — not least in the torrent of Israel-bashing and antisemitism that emerged from the cultural left after Oct. 7. That, as much as we fear Trump could wreck some of our institutions, whether it’s higher education or the F.B.I., many of those institutions are already broken and may need to be reconceived or replaced.

So here’s a thought for Trump’s perennial critics, including those of us on the right: Let’s enter the new year by wishing the new administration well, by giving some of Trump’s cabinet picks the benefit of the doubt, by dropping the lurid historical comparisons to past dictators, by not sounding paranoid about the ever-looming end of democracy, by hoping for the best and knowing that we need to fight the wrongs that are real and not merely what we fear, that whatever happens, this too shall pass.

Enjoy the holidays."

Opinion | Done With Never Trump
Merry Christmas!!
 
I for one hope the dems (and the few RINOs left) continue with their hate-filled vitriol.....It will only serve the sane well in the mid-terms.


Rep. Jasmine Crockett, D-Texas, accused many Hispanic voters of having a "slave mentality" for supporting President-elect Donald Trump.

"That is my distilled summary of what happens within the Latino community," Crockett told Vanity Fair on Friday. "I’ve not run into that with the Asian community. I’ve not run into that with the African community. I’ve not run into that with the Caribbean community. I’ve only run into it with Hispanics. When they think of ‘illegals,’ they think of, you know, maybe people that came out of the cartels and that kind of, like, the criminal-type book or whatever. It’s insane."

"It almost reminds me of what people would talk about when they would talk about kind of like ‘slave mentality’ and the hate that some slaves would have for themselves," she continued. "It’s almost like a slave mentality that they have. It is wild to me when I hear how anti-immigrant they are as immigrants, many of them. I’m talking about people that literally just got here and can barely vote that are having this kind of attitude."



Rep. Jasmine Crockett, D-Texas, gave her observations on the election to Vanity Fair on Friday. Getty Images

Rep. Jasmine Crockett, D-Texas, gave her observations on the election to Vanity Fair on Friday. Getty Images© Samuel Corum/Getty Images
 
The "Never-Trumper" coalition is dead. It's over. While they were yammering about "fascism" and "protect muh democracy" and voting for Kamala Harris, what ordinary people really cared about this year were the high cost of living and the chaos at the border.


Done With Never Trump​


"It’s been more than nine years since I first denounced Donald Trump as a “loudmouth vulgarian appealing to quieter vulgarians.” I’ve called myself a Never Trump conservative ever since, even when I agreed with his policies from time to time. I also opposed him throughout his run this year.

Could his second term be as bad as his most fervent critics fear? Yes. Is it time to drop the heavy moralizing and incessant doomsaying that typified so much of the Never Trump movement — and that rendered it politically impotent and frequently obtuse? Yes, please.

Who, and what, is Trump? He’s a man and the symbol of a movement. The man is crass but charismatic, ignorant but intuitive, dishonest but authentic. The movement is patriotic — and angry.

Some of that anger is intensely bigoted and some of it misplaced. That side of the anger gets most of the media’s attention. But some of it, too, is correctly directed at a self-satisfied elite that thinks it knows better but often doesn’t, whether the subject is Covid restrictions, immigration policy or how to get our allies to pay more for their defense.

It’s Trump’s sulfurous contempt for that elite — his refusal to be shaped by their norms or shamed by their scorn and his willingness to call out their hypocrisy — that makes him a hero to his followers. Cases in point: How come so many who denounce Trump as a sexual predator were, 20 years earlier, Bill Clinton’s steadfast defenders? Why were the same people who demanded investigations into every corner of the Trump family’s business dealings so incurious about the Biden family’s dealings, like the curiously high prices for Hunter’s paintings?

Never Trumpers — I include myself in this indictment — never quite got the point. It wasn’t that we’d forgotten Clinton’s scandals or were ignorant of the allegations about the Bidens. It’s that we thought Trump degraded the values that conservatives were supposed to stand for. We also thought that Trump represented a form of illiberalism that was antithetical to our “free people, free markets, free world” brand of conservatism and that was bound to take the Republican Party down a dark road.

In this we weren’t wrong: There’s plenty to dislike and fear about Trump from a traditionally conservative standpoint. But Never Trumpers also overstated our case and, in doing so, defeated our purpose.

How so? We warned that Trump would be a reckless president who might stumble into World War III. If anything, his foreign policy in his first term was, in practice, often cautious to a fault. We hyperventilated about his odd chumminess with Vladimir Putin. But the collusion allegations were a smear, and Trump’s Russia policy — whether it was his opposition to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline or his covert aid to Ukraine — was much tougher than either Barack Obama’s or (at least until Russia invaded Ukraine) President Biden’s.

We predicted that Trump’s rhetoric would wreck the Republican Party’s chances to win over the constituencies the party had identified, after 2012, as key to its future. But we missed that his working-class appeal would also reach working-class minorities — like the 48 percent of Latino male voters who cast their ballots for him last month. And we were alarmed by Trump’s protectionism and big-spending ways. But the economy mostly thrived under him, at least until the pandemic.

We also talked a lot about democracy. That’s important: The memory of Jan. 6 and Trump’s 2020 election lies were the main reasons I voted for Kamala Harris. But if democracy means anything, it’s that ordinary people, not elites, get to decide how important an event like Jan. 6 is to them. Turns out, not so much.

What ordinary people really cared about this year were the high cost of living and the chaos at the border. Why did Trump — so often deprecated by his critics as a fortunate fool — understand this so well while we fecklessly carried on about the soul of the nation?

What else did we not sufficiently appreciate? That, as much as Trump might lie, Americans also felt lied to by the left — particularly when it came to the White House cover-up of Biden’s physical and mental decline. That, as bigoted as elements of the MAGA world can be, there is plenty of bigotry to go around — not least in the torrent of Israel-bashing and antisemitism that emerged from the cultural left after Oct. 7. That, as much as we fear Trump could wreck some of our institutions, whether it’s higher education or the F.B.I., many of those institutions are already broken and may need to be reconceived or replaced.

So here’s a thought for Trump’s perennial critics, including those of us on the right: Let’s enter the new year by wishing the new administration well, by giving some of Trump’s cabinet picks the benefit of the doubt, by dropping the lurid historical comparisons to past dictators, by not sounding paranoid about the ever-looming end of democracy, by hoping for the best and knowing that we need to fight the wrongs that are real and not merely what we fear, that whatever happens, this too shall pass.

Enjoy the holidays."

Opinion | Done With Never Trump

The Republican never-Trumpers failed to recognize the most important thing:

There’s No Denying It Anymore: Trump Is Not a Fluke—He’s America
Did Mac1958 write that? :auiqs.jpg:

Here's my opinion: Anyone that voted for Harris in 2024 is a fucking retard.
Either dumb as shit or evil, and I really don't think that's a false dichotomy. :terror:
It means you believe the media's lies and they've been lying a LOT, or you
know they're lying and just go along with it.
 
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I for one hope the dems (and the few RINOs left) continue with their hate-filled vitriol.....It will only serve the sane well in the mid-terms.


Rep. Jasmine Crockett, D-Texas, accused many Hispanic voters of having a "slave mentality" for supporting President-elect Donald Trump.

"That is my distilled summary of what happens within the Latino community," Crockett told Vanity Fair on Friday. "I’ve not run into that with the Asian community. I’ve not run into that with the African community. I’ve not run into that with the Caribbean community. I’ve only run into it with Hispanics. When they think of ‘illegals,’ they think of, you know, maybe people that came out of the cartels and that kind of, like, the criminal-type book or whatever. It’s insane."

"It almost reminds me of what people would talk about when they would talk about kind of like ‘slave mentality’ and the hate that some slaves would have for themselves," she continued. "It’s almost like a slave mentality that they have. It is wild to me when I hear how anti-immigrant they are as immigrants, many of them. I’m talking about people that literally just got here and can barely vote that are having this kind of attitude."



Rep. Jasmine Crockett, D-Texas, gave her observations on the election to Vanity Fair on Friday. Getty Images

Rep. Jasmine Crockett, D-Texas, gave her observations on the election to Vanity Fair on Friday. Getty Images© Samuel Corum/Getty Images
Somewhere a horse has a sad because his tail is gone.
 
The Dems should put pressure on the idiot DEI failed candidate to keep her mouth shut. Her continuing to vomit out word salads and cackle just shows a) the leftists’ DEI policies that put in the most idiotic people because….. black!….are a disaster, and b) remind people od the Dems’ attempt to install another incompetent into the presidency to do the Marxists’ bidding and further destroy the country,
 
Did Mac1958 write that? :auiqs.jpg:

Here's my opinion: Anyone that voted for Harris in 2024 is a fucking retard.
Either dumb as shit or evil, and I really don't think that's a false dichotomy. :terror:
It means you believe the media's lies and they've been lying a LOT.
Actually, a lot of them are impossibly manipulated and indoctrinated into voting Democrat, and into thinking those who don’t are racist or selfish.

Here in the DC suburbs, I am surrounded by a lot of them - and most are government “workers” who are now in a meltdown over the fact that they might have to go to the office to keep their $180,000 salaries.
 

thehill.com · regulation · court-battlesNY AG won’t toss multimillion-dollar Trump civil fraud judgment


Dec 10, 2024 · The New York attorney general’s office said Tuesday it will not drop its multimillion-dollar civil fraud case against President-elect Trump, despite his request.

Today, the president-elect, Trump Organization and top executives — including his sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump — owe more than $497 million with interest, which has continued to accrue while they appeal.
 
Never Trumpers saw the danger of Trump and thought they could stand up to him.
They thought “Real Republicans” would see him for what he is
Shallow, egotistical and unsuited for office.

But they were wrong and realized Republicans were star struck

They kissed the ring
 
Thank God that gone are the days where blacks get a job simply because they are black.

If they want to be thought of as equal, then they should compete for jobs on an even keel as other races. Otherwise, it's simply racist.


www.nytimes.com · 2024/12/17 · usTrump Picks Herschel Walker to Be Ambassador to the Bahamas


1 day ago · President-elect Donald J. Trump selected Herschel Walker on Tuesday to be the U.S. ambassador to the small Caribbean nation of the Bahamas, turning to a longtime ally and former........

Mr. Walker has no previous diplomatic experience, and no obvious ties to the Bahamas, an island nation of about 400,000 people just off the coast of Florida.
 
Actually, a lot of them are impossibly manipulated and indoctrinated into voting Democrat, and into thinking those who don’t are racist or selfish.

Here in the DC suburbs, I am surrounded by a lot of them - and most are government “workers” who are now in a meltdown over the fact that they might have to go to the office to keep their $180,000 salaries.

That's absolutely true. No matter what you tell these people or how you explain to them that they are being manipulated by a lying media, they just continue to drink the Kool-Aid as fast as it comes out of the spigot.
 

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