REAGAN the movie

[JoeB131]

Communism/socialism claims it is so better than and doesn't need capitalism.
Not doing business with these nation's shouldn't affect them unless they are wrong and/or lying.

If Captialism would de-select these countries, the US government wouldn't have to impose sanctions on them.

We are still punishing Cuba 65 years later for picking a form of government we don't like.

Maybe we need to stop doing that.

This is why China is beating the pants off of us. While we go around trying to browbeat the rest of the world into doing things our way, the Chinese are being very accommodating. It's why in 24 years, we've gone from this to this.

China has surpassed us as the biggest trading partner in Asia, Africa, much of Europe, and Latin America.

 

[Stryder50]

If Captialism would de-select these countries, the US government wouldn't have to impose sanctions on them.

We are still punishing Cuba 65 years later for picking a form of government we don't like.

Maybe we need to stop doing that.

This is why China is beating the pants off of us. While we go around trying to browbeat the rest of the world into doing things our way, the Chinese are being very accommodating. It's why in 24 years, we've gone from this to this.

China has surpassed us as the biggest trading partner in Asia, Africa, much of Europe, and Latin America.

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Would help if you provided source of this cartoon.
I'm guessing it's put out by the CCP "PR" Dept.

 

[JoeB131]

Would help if you provided source of this cartoon.
I'm guessing it's put out by the CCP "PR" Dept.

Okay, here you go.

Watch China Overtake The US As The World’s Major Trading Partner

Map created by Roland Rajah at the Lowy Institute The animated map above shows how quickly China overtook the US to become the largest trading partner for the vast majority of the world's countries. It covers the period between 1980 and 2018 and countries change colour depending on whether they...

merchantmachine.co.uk

The animated map above shows how quickly China overtook the US to become the largest trading partner for the vast majority of the world’s countries. It covers the period between 1980 and 2018 and countries change colour depending on whether they trade more with the US (blue) or more with China (red).

Up until 2001 (the year China joined the WTO) 80% of the world traded more with the US than China. However, today 128 out of 190 countries (2/3rd) trade more with China than the US. With 90 countries trading twice as much with China as the US (dark red).

The map was created by the Lowy Institute using data from the IMF’s Direction of Trade Statistics Database and focuses on bilateral trade flows (both imports and exports).

 

[LA RAM FAN]

True to form from Reagan’s grandson stryder when getting checkmated and a major ass beating unable to refute facts and the cat has got his tongue a fake news item appears after crying in defeat,don’t you all love it. Well I’m going to stop feeding the troll,he is in clear denial mode and the biggest Reagan worshipper on the planet that only sees what he wants to see we can all agree on.when your the grandson of Reagan,that’s understandable though.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

True to form from Reagan’s grandson stryder when getting checkmated and a major ass beating unable to refute facts and the cat has got his tongue a fake news item appears after crying in defeat,don’t you all love it. Well I’m going to stop feeding the troll,he is in clear denial mode and the biggest Reagan worshipper on the planet that only sees what he wants to see we can all agree on.when your the grandson of Reagan,that’s understandable though.

Lastly,this trollboy pretends that bush was not a warmonger and demonic and that stansfield turner did not come in and clean up the cias corruption by firing all covert cia operators and that once Reagan’s appointee William Casey came in,got the cia back to its covert operations again.this trollboy kills me to know end with his fantasy’s . Doesn’t he with you Hector12

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Lastly,this trollboy pretends that bush was not a warmonger and demonic and that stansfield turner did not come in and clean up the cias corruption by firing all covert cia operators and that once Reagan’s appointee William Casey came in,got the cia back to its covert operations again.this trollboy kills me to know end with his fantasy’s . Doesn’t he with you Hector12

Clique Bait

The ruling class only talks within itself. Casey was only referring to what he told the media ruling sector. People have to earn the right to be told the truth, and the media certainly haven't.

If you use any ilk in the Successpool as a source, you're dealing with a clique that either makes up its own false narratives or passes on the false messages from a clique that is hostile to them within the sheltered corridors of power. A "reliable source" is what one set of lazy and shallow clowns relies on because it is incapable of figuring anything out on its own. The rulers' education clique makes us believe in all these authorities that create make-believe.

 

[Stryder50]

Lol. You love war and genocide because you’re an ignorant fuck full of hate. The empire loves dupes like you.

At least I don't love terror and tyranny which is what gets your panties wet.

 

[Stryder50]

I'll pluck excerpts later; for now, a good but long read;

Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

The last paragraph in this article gives a good insight into the full tale and it's impact.
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The story of Charlie Wilson and the CIA's secret war in Afghanistan is an important, missing chapter of our recent past. Ironically, neither the United States government nor the forces of Islam will want this history to be known. But the full story of America's central role in the Afghan jihad needs to be told and understood for any number of reasons. Clearly it's not helpful for the world of militant Islam to believe that its power is so great that nothing can stop it. But the danger exists for us as well. It may not be welcomed by a government that prefers to see the rising tide of Islamic militancy as having no connection to our policies or our actions. But the terrible truth is that the group of sleeping lions that the United States roused may well have inspired an entire generation of militant young Muslims to believe that the moment is theirs.

This article is an edited extract from 'Charlie Wilson's War' by George Crile, published by Atlantic Books, 8.99. The film is released on 11 January 2008
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Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

BTW, Wilson was a Democrat from Texas.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Lastly,this trollboy pretends that bush was not a warmonger and demonic and that stansfield turner did not come in and clean up the cias corruption by firing all covert cia operators and that once Reagan’s appointee William Casey came in,got the cia back to its covert operations again.this trollboy kills me to know end with his fantasy’s . Doesn’t he with you Hector12

Yep sure enough,true to form our resident trollboy Reagan’s grandson dismisses cold hard facts as fake news.comedy gold at its best. Must suck when all his other fellow Reagan worshippers all abondoned him after the ass beatings they suffered leaving him hanging out to dry by his lonesome all by himself on a deserted island.

 

[Stryder50]

I'll pluck excerpts later; for now, a good but long read;

Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

From the first part ....
EXCERPT:
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In the early summer of 1980, the Texas Congressman Charlie Wilson walked off the floor of the House of Representatives into the Speaker's Lobby. A Teletype at one end spewed out stories from AP, UPI and Reuters. Wilson was a news junkie, and he reached down and began reading a story datelined from Kabul.

The article described hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing Afghanistan as Soviet helicopter gunships levelled villages, slaughtered livestock, and killed anyone who harboured guerrillas resisting the occupation. What caught Wilson's attention, however, was the reporter's conclusion that the Afghan warriors were refusing to quit. The article described how they were murdering Russians in the dead of night with knives and pistols, hitting them over the head with shovels and stones. Against all odds, there was a growing rebellion underway against the Red Army.

It would have been a sobering insight for the Communist rulers if they could have followed what happened in the few minutes after Wilson finished reading the Associated Press dispatch. The mysterious force in the US government that was destined to hound the Red Army with a seemingly limitless flood of ever more lethal weapons was about to be activated.

No one, however, was paying attention, not even in the American government, when Wilson picked up a phone and called the Appropriations Committee staffer who dealt with "black appropriations", the CIA funds.

The congressman knew enough about the eccentric workings of the subcommittee to know when a member can act alone to fund a programme. "How much are we giving the Afghans?" he asked.

"Five million," said the staffer.

There was a moment's silence. "Double it," said the Texan.

So far as anyone can tell, no congressman prior to Charlie Wilson had ever moved unsolicited to increase a CIA budget. From the beginning of the Cold War, Congress had granted that exclusive right to the president. But as dramatic as the doubling might sound, it had no visible impact on the war. It wasn't reported or debated, and it never even registered on the KGB's radar screen in Russia. At best, all it did was provide the mujahedin with a few thousand more Enfield rifles and perhaps some machine guns, so that they could go out and die for their faith in greater numbers.
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Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

A clue on how one can employ "Executive Power and Authority" without being in the Executive of the USA Government.
Charlie Wilson was 'just' a Congressman (D) from Texas, but was on a key and powerful Congress Committee.

Note that at the time, Carter was POTUS and would could start to lay blame on his doorstep, but likely Jimmy had no clue this was happening.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Yep sure enough,true to form our resident trollboy Reagan’s grandson dismisses cold hard facts as fake news.comedy gold at its best. Must suck when all his other fellow Reagan worshippers all abondoned him after the ass beatings they suffered leaving him hanging out to dry by his lonesome all by himself on a deserted island.

Oh and must suck to be him as well sense that’s all he can muster in his ass beatings while getting checkmated is just post fake news.wish I could profit and earn money from making predictions on him,if I could,I would be a millionaire sense like clockwork,he is sooooo too easy as pie to predict.

 

[Stryder50]

I'll pluck excerpts later; for now, a good but long read;

Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

EXCERPT:
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Wilson so easily crossed the line into this covert arena that no one stopped to question his right to be there or worry about the precedent he might be setting. It would be another two years before he would return to put this precedent to the test. But this is where he first demonstrated that there could be another power centre in the American government, one that could act in a way that was totally unpredictable to drive a US covert policy.

Years later, as he tried to explain how the CIA ended up with a billion dollars a year to kill Russian soldiers in Afghanistan, Wilson's CIA co-conspirator Gust Avrakotos (played in the new film by Philip Seymour Hoffman) would offer a curious explanation. "It began with a Texas woman, one of Wilson's contributors. She's the one who got him interested." Joanne Herring (played by Julia Roberts) was a glamorous and exotic figure from the oil-rich world of Texas in the 1970s and 1980s. At the time nobody imagined that, in addition to her role as a social lioness and hostess to the powerful, she was simultaneously responsible for setting in motion a process that would profoundly impact the outcome of the Afghan war. When almost everyone had written off the Afghans as a lost cause, she saw potential for greatness in the most unlikely characters. In the pivotal first years of the jihad, she became both matchmaker and muse to Pakistan's Muslim fundamentalist military dictator, Zia ul-Haq, as well as to Charlie Wilson.

Most of the women Wilson was seeing in those days and there were many were half Herring's age. But Joanne Herring was a woman of extraordinary resources who knew how to mesmerise a man on many levels not the least of which was her ability to sweep this congressman from the Bible Belt into her dazzling world of black-tie dinners, movie stars, countesses, Saudi princes and big-time Republican oil magnates. Invariably, when reporters wrote features about Joanne Herring, they invoked Scarlett O'Hara.

As the romance bloomed, Herring found herself reborn as a ferocious champion of Zia and the Afghans, and she became convinced that Wilson was the one who could save the day. Six months earlier, she had been at home when a message from Afghanistan came in "via the underground". It was from her friend Charles Fawcett, a note scribbled with crayons on the back of a child's notebook:

"Come immediately. Bring film equipment. The world doesn't know what's going on here."

It was hard for the congressman not to be impressed as he listened to Joanne describe how she had left immediately for Islamabad and then crossed into the war zone with Fawcett. "All this had to be very secretive," she whispered conspiratorially.
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Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Stryder50]

I'll pluck excerpts later; for now, a good but long read;

Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

EXCERPT:
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By 1982, Peshawar, the capital of Pakistan's historic North-West Frontier, had also become the not-very-secret centre of the Afghan resistance. It was only 30 miles from the Afghan border and minutes from the sprawling refugee camps. It was also home to the leaders of the seven mujahedin military parties that the US Central Intelligence Agency and Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI) had created to organise the war effort. But no one offered to take Wilson to visit these secret warriors. His schedule on his first trip to Peshawar called for the traditional tour of the UN-supported refugee camps, a scene that appalled everyone who came to Peshawar: millions of proud Afghans living in mud huts without running water or the ability to feed themselves. In the month of his visit 20,000 more had poured in young boys and girls dressed in bright tribal clothing; the women with their faces covered. They came from the mountains and valleys of a country where their ancestors had lived for centuries, a legendary warrior nation not easy to intimidate and uproot.

All brought horror stories of what had caused them to flee their country. In particular they talked of helicopter gunships that hovered over their villages, hounding them even as they fled. It began to dawn on Wilson that there were only Afghans in this part of Pakistan and that he was witnessing an entire nation in flight from the Communists. This spectacle of mass suffering roused him, but he had been to refugee camps before and for him there was something almost impersonal about such a mass of humanity. What did catch his attention that day was the absence of men no teenagers, not even 40- or 50-year-olds. He was told they were all fighting in the jihad.
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His next stop was a meeting with a council of Afghan elders, hundreds of whom were waiting for him in a huge colourful tent, decorated with cotton fabrics that looked like floating oriental rugs. As he walked in, Wilson was dazed by the sight of long white beards and turbans, and the men's fierce, unblinking eyes. The Pakistanis had told them that the congressman had come as a friend offering assistance, and as he entered they shouted, "Allahu Akbar" God is Great.

To Wilson it was like a scene from the Old Testament. When the elders invited the Texan to speak, he delivered what he thought would be just the right message. "I told them that they were the most courageous people in the world and I said, 'We're going to help you. None of your families will suffer from lack of shelter and food.' I pledged that their soldiers would not be left to die in agony and that we would give them millions in humanitarian assistance."

An old man rose to respond. He told Wilson he could keep his bandages and rice. What they needed was a weapon to destroy the gunships. It was at this moment that Wilson realised he was in the presence of a people who didn't care about sympathy. They didn't want medicine or charity. They wanted revenge.
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Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Stryder50]

I'll pluck excerpts later; for now, a good but long read;

Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

EXCERPT:
...
Charlie Wilson delivered it. Throughout the 1980s the Afghan mujahedin were America's surrogate soldiers in the brutal guerrilla war that became the Soviet Union's Vietnam, a defeat that helped trigger the subsequent collapse of the Communist empire. Afghanistan was a secret war that the CIA fought and won without debates in Congress or protests in the street. It was not just the CIA's biggest operation, it was the biggest secret war in history. In the course of a decade, billions of rounds of ammunition and hundreds of thousands of weapons were smuggled across the border on the backs of camels, mules, and donkeys. At one point more than 300,000 fundamentalist Afghan warriors carried weapons provided by the CIA; thousands were trained in the art of urban terror. Before it was over, 28,000 Soviet soldiers had been killed.

It was January 1989, just as the Red Army was preparing to withdraw its last soldiers from Afghanistan, when Wilson called to invite me to join him on a fact-finding tour of the Middle East. I had produced a CBS 60 Minutes profile of him several months earlier and had no intention of digging further into his role in the Afghan war.

There were two surprises on that trip, revelations that opened my eyes to a bigger story: the first was the princely reception given to Wilson wherever he went in the Arab world. The second was my introduction to Avrakotos, who had recently retired from the Agency and was reunited with Wilson for the first time in several years. As we moved from Kuwait down to Basra, where hundreds of thousands had died in the closing battles of the Iran-Iraq War, I began talking to Avrakotos, and in short order I realised that the Afghan campaign had been anything but a typical CIA programme.

When our commercial flight back to Baghdad was cancelled, Avrakotos managed to get us on to a lavish Boeing 707 owned by a Saudi religious leader by telling him about Wilson's role in the Afghan war. In Riyadh, a royal receiving party met us at the airport. A caravan of brand-new white Mercedes, complete with police escort, swept us off to the palace for a meeting with the king's brother, the Saudi defence minister Prince Sultan. After tea, Wilson delivered his message: he had come to thank the Saudi royal family for its extraordinary generosity in matching the Americans dollar for dollar in Afghanistan. It became clear that the gratitude went both ways when Wilson was shown to his quarters several hours later a preposterously luxurious suite with a living room that seemed to be the size of a football field.

"We want you to know, Mr Congressman," the prince's aide said, "that these are larger quarters than we provided for George Bush. Mr Bush is only the vice president. You won the Afghan war."
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Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Stryder50]

I'll pluck excerpts later; for now, a good but long read;

Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

EXCERPTS:
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Throughout the Muslim world, the victory of the Afghans over the army of a modern superpower was seen as a transformational event. But back home, no one seemed to be aware that something important had taken place and that the United States had been the moving force behind it. Any chance of an American appreciation for the Afghan miracle was fast disappearing, as one incredible event after another began to unravel the Soviet bloc. .... As Charlie Wilson saw it, his Afghans had played a decisive role in helping to trigger and hasten the collapse of the Communist eastern bloc. ...
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What now seems clear is that, under the umbrella of the CIA's programme, Afghanistan had become a gathering place for militant Muslims from around the world. As early as the Gulf War, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, long the main recipient of CIA weaponry, had articulated his belief that the US wanted world domination and control of Muslim oil. ...

The presumption at Langley had been that when the United States packed its bags and cut off the Afghans, the jihad would simply burn itself out. If the Afghans insisted on killing one another, it would be a shame but not America's problem. Perhaps that policy would have worked out had it been only weapons that we left behind. But the more dangerous legacy of the Afghan war is found in the minds and convictions of Muslims around the world. To them the miracle victory over the Soviets was all the work of Allah not the billions of dollars that America and Saudi Arabia poured into the battle, not the 10-year commitment of the CIA that turned an army of primitive tribesmen into technoholy warriors. The consequence for America of having waged a secret war and never acknowledging or advertising its role was that it set in motion the spirit of jihad and the belief in surrogate soldiers that, having brought down one superpower, they could just as easily take on another.
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Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Stryder50]

I'll pluck excerpts later; for now, a good but long read;

Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

EXCERPT:
...
For most Americans, the events of September 11 were quickly tied to Afghanistan when it was learned that the hijackers had all spent time there. Much was made of this by the Bush administration, which assailed the Taliban for harbouring Osama bin Laden and for allowing Afghanistan to become a breeding ground for international terrorists. The American public rallied behind the president when he launched his "war on terror". But almost everyone seemed confused about who the terrorists were, and all but clueless to explain why they hated the United States so much.

The question is not so difficult to understand if you put yourself in the shoes of the Afghan veterans in the aftermath of the Soviet departure. Within months, the US government "discovered" what it had known for the past eight years that Pakistan was hard at work on the Islamic bomb. (The dirty little secret of the Afghan war was that Zia had extracted a concession early on from President Reagan: Pakistan would work with the CIA against the Soviets in Afghanistan, and in return the United States would provide massive aid but would agree to look the other way on the question of the bomb.) But with the Russians gone, sanctions were imposed and all military and economic assistance was cut off. Within a year, the Clinton administration would move to place Pakistan on the list of state sponsors of terrorism. The Pakistan military had long been the surrogates for the CIA, and every Afghan and Arab mujahedin fighter came to believe that America had betrayed the Pakistanis. And when the United States kept its troops (including large numbers of women) in Saudi Arabia, not just bin Laden but most Islamists believed that America wanted to seize the Islamic oil fields and was seeking world domination.
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Charlie Wilson's War: How one man changed history

A major new movie starring Tom Hanks tells the extraordinary story of a covert CIA operation that altered the course of history. But who was Charlie Wilson? And how did a little-known Texan Congressman come to spend billions of dollars on a secret campaign whose unintended consequences are still...

www.independent.co.uk

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The bulk of the USA-CIA covert war in Afghanistan was during Reagan's two terms, yet he was marginally aware or involved in the war, it being so low key and covert as to even barely be on the White House 'radar'. Still, as things tend to tally, it was his watch and hence his doing.

Sad finale was that the change of administrations, political party in control, produced the forgetfulness, back-stab, and neglect of that part of the world where the USA had just invested so much money and effort. Alas, all too typical of "foggy bottom" down in "the swamp" of D.C.

 

[Stryder50]

Yep sure enough,true to form our resident trollboy Reagan’s grandson dismisses cold hard facts as fake news.comedy gold at its best. Must suck when all his other fellow Reagan worshippers all abondoned him after the ass beatings they suffered leaving him hanging out to dry by his lonesome all by himself on a deserted island.

Well fellow resident trollboy of the Loony Left and grand-daughter of K. Harris; you presented no hard cold facts. Just your fantasies and delusions as usual. You failed at any "ass beatings" and couldn't "checkmate" even if your granny held your hand and did the moves.

You may want to consider a redo of K-12 schooling since* you failed to pass.

* Note the word is "since", not "sense".

 

[Stryder50]

Oh and must suck to be him as well sense that’s all he can muster in his ass beatings while getting checkmated is just post fake news.wish I could profit and earn money from making predictions on him,if I could,I would be a millionaire sense like clockwork,he is sooooo too easy as pie to predict.

As proof you failed at K-12 education, this is one of many posts you have here where you state; "... would be a millionaire sense like ...".
The correct word would be "since", not "sense".
If you knew how to use a dictionary and had passed basic English Composition you'd know that. Instead, you can't even write better than a flunked fifth grader.

 

[Slyhunter]

New movie out. Trump the beginning/

 

[Flopper]

kind of a matter of opinion...

Didn't think much of his politics but I like the man and his movies.