Religion: The clear and present danger of our time

[zaangalewa]

how did we end up with slavery in the first place I thought America was founded by Christians

It came with the Europeans, and was also already here; the natives liked slavery as well, long before they saw us. Do you make many posts about the evuls of slavery in Africa, or anywhere else, or just the few years the U.S. had slaves in part of the country? Can we plan on more of these shifts from one 'point' to the next, as if it means something?

"European" means in this case "England and Arabia", I guess, because in Europe no one had slaves as far as I know. Not even in England slavery was allowed. Slaves were an article of commerce of the colonialism.]

lol ... You're seriously saying those colonies weren't European colonies???

What did you not understand? More concrete: The Arabs caught Africans and England sold this slaves in America.

So, where is France, England, the Netherlands, Spain, Portugal? On Mars?

Good question.

The natives had slaves before the Europeans got near here.

Never heard something about.

Why ignore them?

Hmm - do you think blacks had not black slaves in Africa?

And, Europe had slavery in the past,

Not in Germany in this form of slavery as far as I know. We had not equal rights in the past - but everyone had rights.

as did every other region on the planet. The British Isles were a major source of slaves right up into the early middle ages.

Where? When? On what reason?

Italian merchants were still freeing slaves in their wills up to at least the 14th century.

Astonishing. An effect of the crusades maybe. But did you really say merchants were freeing slaves? Unbelievable. What had happened there concrete?

there is no record of Europeans refusing to trade in goods produced by slaves.

The world is not a bigger USA and the USA not a little world. I would say american businessmen have indeed a slaveholder mentality. We can see this for example in the way why and how General Motors closed the factory of Opel in Bochum or what Amazon is doing with their workers here in Germany.

when you study the history of the Crusades it's hard to say that it's over or isn't still on. can you tell me the date the Crusades ended?

The crusade was in the begin the war of the Normans of France who had conquered England against Arabs and the Seljuks (Muslims from Asia) who had conquered Jerusalem and Mekka. In later times the expression "crusade" replaced the word "war" and became an empty phrase. As far as I heard G.W. Bush was the last politician who used the empty phrase "crusade" when he illegally attacked the Iraq on no reason to do so. The use of the words 'crusade' and 'jihad' seems to be the same.

 

[zaangalewa]

I am completely open to the possibility that there is a creator I]

I would say this is a good joke for someone, who speaks normally as if he would be a black atheist and racist.

just won't be bullied into believing it gilded into believing it I need to be convinced. What is so wrong with that? Why is disbelief bad in anyway?

"Disbelief" is not existing - this is wrong with this expesssion. And bad is it that the most atheist are not able really to recognize that their belief is only a belief. They think they know what others are only believing.

I think you religious nuts have confused the issue we cannot know if there is no God it is you who claims you know God does exist and this is what probably bothers us you don't know and we don't know but from what we see we see no proof of any such creature as a god and if it wasn't for your direction hell what does it matter if I believe or not?

How should anyone else know what it matters if you believe in god or not? You should know! If god says to you "Don't believe in me!" then it's maybe better for you and/or the world not to believe in him.

 

[amrchaos]

OK, I'm lost

What is thread about?

 

[PostmodernProph]

the same way bible thumpers now say they've always been pro science they've never been anti-science effing liars

obviously liberals are the ones who are anti-science.....anthropomorphic global warming.......embryos are not human.......life crawls spontaneously out of mud puddles.......its amazing the silly things you profess to believe......

It's much simpler to believe that your polytheistic gawds magically poofed everything into existence a mere 6,000 years ago. It's amazing what you YEC'ists / Flat Earthers believe.

look....she said YEC again.....isn't that cute how she does that when she can't think of anything important to post?......such a precocious child, imagine what she will be like by the time she's a teenager.......

Embrace your ID'iot creationism, YEC'ist fantasies. 6,000 years is plenty of time for your polytheistic gawds to magically poof all of existence.

silly, silly child....arguing with her imagination as a defense mechanism.......it guarantees her she cannot lose an argument, because she won't face real people....

 

[PostmodernProph]

Given the demographics in those days, it would have been pretty much impossible for a large percentage of whites to not have been supportive of the movement, but don't let that keep you from sniveling about anything.

how did we end up with slavery in the first place I thought America was founded by Christians

It came with the Europeans, and was also already here; the natives liked slavery as well, long before they saw us. Do you make many posts about the evuls of slavery in Africa, or anywhere else, or just the few years the U.S. had slaves in part of the country? Can we plan on more of these shifts from one 'point' to the next, as if it means something?

I'm just pointing out what a Rich wonderful history you white Christians have here in this country Devils

???....the slave merchants were atheists.......

Typically pointless.

repeatedly brainless.....

 

[sealybobo]

holly is definitely not in coherent.

she is speaking in tongues......if you understand her you should translate for her.......

let's say we concede that there must be a creator now what? Do we need to worship it? is there anything you know about this creator? I'm just wondering where is this going

 

[Hollie]

the same way bible thumpers now say they've always been pro science they've never been anti-science effing liars

obviously liberals are the ones who are anti-science.....anthropomorphic global warming.......embryos are not human.......life crawls spontaneously out of mud puddles.......its amazing the silly things you profess to believe......

It's much simpler to believe that your polytheistic gawds magically poofed everything into existence a mere 6,000 years ago. It's amazing what you YEC'ists / Flat Earthers believe.

look....she said YEC again.....isn't that cute how she does that when she can't think of anything important to post?......such a precocious child, imagine what she will be like by the time she's a teenager.......

Embrace your ID'iot creationism, YEC'ist fantasies. 6,000 years is plenty of time for your polytheistic gawds to magically poof all of existence.

silly, silly child....arguing with her imagination as a defense mechanism.......it guarantees her she cannot lose an argument, because she won't face real people....

Actually, just showing the hopelessness of the religiously crippled.

 

[Hollie]

how did we end up with slavery in the first place I thought America was founded by Christians

It came with the Europeans, and was also already here; the natives liked slavery as well, long before they saw us. Do you make many posts about the evuls of slavery in Africa, or anywhere else, or just the few years the U.S. had slaves in part of the country? Can we plan on more of these shifts from one 'point' to the next, as if it means something?

I'm just pointing out what a Rich wonderful history you white Christians have here in this country Devils

???....the slave merchants were atheists.......

Typically pointless.

repeatedly brainless.....

Just pointing the pointlessness of your attempt at a relevant comment.

 

[sealybobo]

obviously liberals are the ones who are anti-science.....anthropomorphic global warming.......embryos are not human.......life crawls spontaneously out of mud puddles.......its amazing the silly things you profess to believe......

It's much simpler to believe that your polytheistic gawds magically poofed everything into existence a mere 6,000 years ago. It's amazing what you YEC'ists / Flat Earthers believe.

look....she said YEC again.....isn't that cute how she does that when she can't think of anything important to post?......such a precocious child, imagine what she will be like by the time she's a teenager.......

Embrace your ID'iot creationism, YEC'ist fantasies. 6,000 years is plenty of time for your polytheistic gawds to magically poof all of existence.

silly, silly child....arguing with her imagination as a defense mechanism.......it guarantees her she cannot lose an argument, because she won't face real people....

Actually, just showing the hopelessness of the religiously crippled.

they may not realize that they use religion to control us as a people. so that they don't see religion is a bad thing. in their lives it is only good. ignorant bliss. they don't see how religion has held us back ensign medicine space travel going green right for a woman to choose what she does with her own body we go to war because of these religions. but that's ignorant bliss they wouldn't have it any other way

 

[sealybobo]

It came with the Europeans, and was also already here; the natives liked slavery as well, long before they saw us. Do you make many posts about the evuls of slavery in Africa, or anywhere else, or just the few years the U.S. had slaves in part of the country? Can we plan on more of these shifts from one 'point' to the next, as if it means something?

I'm just pointing out what a Rich wonderful history you white Christians have here in this country Devils

???....the slave merchants were atheists.......

Typically pointless.

repeatedly brainless.....

Just pointing the pointlessness of your attempt at a relevant comment.

if christian white american religion and people were truly good I don't think there would be so much poverty or gap between the rich and poor I think most of those people worship capitalism more than they do god.

 

[PostmodernProph]

holly is definitely not in coherent.

she is speaking in tongues......if you understand her you should translate for her.......

let's say we concede that there must be a creator now what? Do we need to worship it? is there anything you know about this creator? I'm just wondering where is this going

as always, you're free to do whatever you want.......irregardless of your whining about people trying to force you to believe things you don't want to believe.......

 

[PostmodernProph]

I'm just pointing out what a Rich wonderful history you white Christians have here in this country Devils

???....the slave merchants were atheists.......

Typically pointless.

repeatedly brainless.....

Just pointing the pointlessness of your attempt at a relevant comment.

if christian white american religion and people were truly good I don't think there would be so much poverty or gap between the rich and poor I think most of those people worship capitalism more than they do god.

I disagree.......even without religion folks like you and Hollie would still be uneducated, underemployed, and dependent on society's support.......

 

[PostmodernProph]

they may not realize that they use religion to control us as a people. so that they don't see religion is a bad thing. in their lives it is only good. ignorant bliss. they don't see how religion has held us back ensign medicine space travel going green right for a woman to choose what she does with her own body we go to war because of these religions. but that's ignorant bliss they wouldn't have it any other way

lol......if only more people were atheists you would be curing cancer as you fly to your vacation home on Mars while planting more trees on your space ship......

 

[sealybobo]

???....the slave merchants were atheists.......

Typically pointless.

repeatedly brainless.....

Just pointing the pointlessness of your attempt at a relevant comment.

if christian white american religion and people were truly good I don't think there would be so much poverty or gap between the rich and poor I think most of those people worship capitalism more than they do god.

I disagree.......even without religion folks like you and Hollie would still be uneducated, underemployed, and dependent on society's support.......

are you kidding the most religious communities are the poorest communities. they need religion just to get by mentally

 

[PostmodernProph]

Typically pointless.

repeatedly brainless.....

Just pointing the pointlessness of your attempt at a relevant comment.

if christian white american religion and people were truly good I don't think there would be so much poverty or gap between the rich and poor I think most of those people worship capitalism more than they do god.

I disagree.......even without religion folks like you and Hollie would still be uneducated, underemployed, and dependent on society's support.......

are you kidding the most religious communities are the poorest communities. they need religion just to get by mentally

next you'll be telling me the Vatican needs food stamps.......be that as it may it will not be much help to you two underachievers.....you strike me more as the Occupy Wallstreet types......you know, take a dump in flower beds, sleep in tents, protest Wall Street, then buy lattes with your food stamp cards......

 

[sealybobo]

repeatedly brainless.....

Just pointing the pointlessness of your attempt at a relevant comment.

if christian white american religion and people were truly good I don't think there would be so much poverty or gap between the rich and poor I think most of those people worship capitalism more than they do god.

I disagree.......even without religion folks like you and Hollie would still be uneducated, underemployed, and dependent on society's support.......

are you kidding the most religious communities are the poorest communities. they need religion just to get by mentally

next you'll be telling me the Vatican needs food stamps.......be that as it may it will not be much help to you two underachievers.....

so do you really believe your grandmother great-grandmother great great grandmother greater than that grandmother greater than even that grandmother great great great grandmother great one x a thousand you think all of those ancestors are up there in heaven waiting for you?

 

[zaangalewa]

... Doesn't answer anything; no European country every boycotted cotton or dyes from America, all slave produced goods.

I read what you wrote - I produced even a long answer but I deleted this answer. Very short: We never had slaves in Germany. Nothing in our history is comparable with the slavery in the USA.

 

[zaangalewa]

OK, I'm lost

What is thread about?

The evilness of Christians and the good crusades against them so they are not able to bomb down twins in NY. A good message for all twins and everyone who likes to become a twin by marrying a twin.

 

[Hollie]

???....the slave merchants were atheists.......

Typically pointless.

repeatedly brainless.....

Just pointing the pointlessness of your attempt at a relevant comment.

if christian white american religion and people were truly good I don't think there would be so much poverty or gap between the rich and poor I think most of those people worship capitalism more than they do god.

I disagree.......even without religion folks like you and Hollie would still be uneducated, underemployed, and dependent on society's support.......

As so often happens, your ignorance is a function of your xtian extremism.

 

[Hollie]

repeatedly brainless.....

Just pointing the pointlessness of your attempt at a relevant comment.

if christian white american religion and people were truly good I don't think there would be so much poverty or gap between the rich and poor I think most of those people worship capitalism more than they do god.

I disagree.......even without religion folks like you and Hollie would still be uneducated, underemployed, and dependent on society's support.......

are you kidding the most religious communities are the poorest communities. they need religion just to get by mentally

next you'll be telling me the Vatican needs food stamps.......be that as it may it will not be much help to you two underachievers.....you strike me more as the Occupy Wallstreet types......you know, take a dump in flower beds, sleep in tents, protest Wall Street, then buy lattes with your food stamp cards......

Such is the stereotype of the angry, self-hating xtian.