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No "widespread" fraud = there is fraud...it just isn't "widespread"...which of course, could mean anything.
More mumbo-jumbo propaganda from the left.
Womp womp
Doesn't matter. Voter ID nuts will still state South Carolina's "fraud" as fact. They have never let truth jor logic get in the way before, so why start now.
Not trying to be a doubting thomas here but there is fraud that is on purpose and there is fraud committed by accident. My polling place chaned a few times while I lived in Texas because I was re-districted into another district. I wasn't commiting fraud but I was in a booth where I didn't belong, casting a ballot. If you were to examine that election, my ballot should have been thrown out.
But let's say that the line I crossed over wasn't a redistricting line but one of city limits. We lived in Houston but two or three blocks away was another city. City ordinances would be on the ballot often; just as they are in Phoenix now. If you live in Glendale or Tucson or Paradise Valley or Tempe, the Phoenix ordinances don't affect you. If you're going to the wrong polling place, you could be voting on ordinances that you should be disallowed from; the folks in Tempe shouldn't be voting to increase the Phoenix city sales tax for example.
I would wager that several people show up at the polling place ignorant of whether it is the "official" polling location or not and are given a ballot that is improper. Since Brewer and McCain and/or Flake are on the ballot, they cast the ballot but down ballot, there are judges, referendums, propositions, etc...
Should people in Ohio be able to vote in Pennsylvania? I don't think so. I would like to have as much assurance as possible that it isn't happening.
No "widespread" fraud = there is fraud...it just isn't "widespread"...which of course, could mean anything.
More mumbo-jumbo propaganda from the left.
Don't click the link or you'll see that repubs investigated it and found nothing. Yes, the left is that good. They can make the GOP not see things that are clearly there
Yet another "voter fraud" story by the GOP turns up nothing. Surprised?
COLUMBIA, S.C. No one intentionally cast a ballot in South Carolina using the names of dead people in recent elections, despite allegations to the contrary, according to a State Law Enforcement Division report obtained Friday by The Associated Press.
Attorney General Alan Wilson asked the agency to investigate last year after the Department of Motor Vehicles determined in early 2012 that more than 900 people listed as deceased also had voted in recent years.
Wilson referred the information to state police, saying that the number of people cited in the analysis "is an alarming number and clearly necessitates an investigation into criminal activity."
State Election Commission director Marci Andino had her staff take a look at questionable votes from the November 2010 general election, or about 200 of the more than 900 votes total - information that was also ultimately analyzed by the law enforcement division. Nearly half of the issues could be attributed to clerical errors, while several dozen resulted from DMV officials running Social Security numbers of voters against dead people but not seeing if the names matched.
Several other issues arose from ballots cast by men with the same names as their deceased fathers.
Read more here: Report: no widespread fraud in SC elections | CharlotteObserver.com
Create a boogey man then make a law against Boogey men
After DMV Director Kevin Shwedo testified before state lawmakers about his agency's findings, Republican lawmakers and other elected officials immediately said the analysis and possible voter fraud showed why the new law was necessary.
Rep. Bakari Sellers, D-Denmark, who sits on the panel before which Shwedo appeared, questioned the expense of the police investigation, as well as the origin of the numbers to which Shwedo testified.
"What they used were fictitious numbers to promote a regressive piece of legislation," he said. "They needed something to grasp ahold of to justify taking steps backward in our voting-rights laws. ... It's apparent that we were lied to, and that's troubling."
Read more here: Report: no widespread fraud in SC elections | CharlotteObserver.com
Republicans crying wolf...
Too little too late, they never said that fraud didn't exist, it just wasn't as widespread as thought. And the big bold letters used in the op ignore the fact that the federal courts upheld the SC voter ID law, seems they didn't agree that it was a step backwards in voting rights. Just another fantasy fabrication from the left.
Judges only rule on constitutionality, not the stupidity of a law. If they did, Voter ID would be unanimously struck down. Several judges on the state level have stated Voter ID is completely unnecessary while upholding such laws at the same time. You are free to be a stupid idiot in this country. That's not unconstitutional.
Other Voter ID laws have been struck down or delayed because they did present unconstitutional obstacles.
The faux right wing seems extremely intent on forcing everyone to carry identity papers and to produce them on demand.
No "widespread" fraud = there is fraud...it just isn't "widespread"...which of course, could mean anything.
More mumbo-jumbo propaganda from the left.
Don't click the link or you'll see that repubs investigated it and found nothing. Yes, the left is that good. They can make the GOP not see things that are clearly there
"We hardly EVER cheat!"
Don't click the link or you'll see that repubs investigated it and found nothing. Yes, the left is that good. They can make the GOP not see things that are clearly there
"We hardly EVER cheat!"
More like "We can NEVER PROVE cheating"
Seawytch, nobody cares. And completely irrelevant.
No, actually, my objection to the, giggle, objection on the left is that we have technology readily available in many high schools that will assure the person who is registered is casting the ballot.No one has ever shown fraud in a local election being on the level of 2200 fraudulent votes by a method that would be prevented by Voter ID. Not even close.
We have managed to hold elections for over two centuries without Voter ID. I would venture that most "fraudulent votes" these days are operator error in the use of electronic voting machines. Voting booths manned by volunteer septuagenarians who can't even program their DVD players who receive five minutes of training on how to manage voting machines. That's who is handling our voting process. Senior citizens a little slow on the uptake.
Again, the past is not a promise of future behavior.
I would make the same wager by the way...that it is erroneous on one or the other parties...so why accept it when generations old technology exists to correct it?
I've been looking at "election fraud" since way back in Bush's day when the Left was claiming there were armies of conspirators rigging voting machines. Now it is the Right claiming there are armies of conspirators rigging voting machines.
I found a lot of cases of operator error. And if you keep watching after all the screaming and noise about each claim of "fraud" dies down, you will, too. Most people stop paying attention, though. They move on, with their belief system reinforced by false information spoon fed to them by partisan hacks.
Well, on that front, I'm for the Federal Government buying voting devices and providing them to the counties free of charge just to standardize the system.The people who man these voting booths are given shoddy training, and the mistakes have been bipartisan. For every "fraud" you hear about where more votes were cast than there were registered voters and a Republican benefited, you can find one where a Democrat benefited from the same fuckup. And it comes back to the operators not knowing what they are doing. There is no malicious intent. It's just plain stupidity and lack of training. The voting machines may be tamper proof, but they are not idiot-proof.
But the partisan hacks never tell you this. You only hear the histrionics, never the follow-up that shows there was no actual fraud. Yet the rubes continue to claim the "fraud" as fact.
There is not one case of voter fraud that anyone can present which ONLY Voter ID is able to prevent or catch. We have an existing system, which if properly managed, is able to stop or prevent almost all fraud.
It astonishes me that people who claim to love the Constitution and our rights, and who claim to hate big government, fail to see the very bureaucratic government which is making these mistakes is the same one they wish to add yet more layers to! They want MORE obstacles and government intervention and bureaucracy placed between themselves and their rights instead of fixing the existing system which can solve all their fears and worries.
This is one of many reasons I refer to such people as "faux right wingers".
No, actually, my objection to the, giggle, objection on the left is that we have technology readily available in many high schools that will assure the person who is registered is casting the ballot.
I laugh at those who says there was fraud in the elections. The same elections that installed strong democratic leadership on the national level gave us more Republican Governors than Democratic governors. The guys on the right can't explain that...or does this fraud only show up for federal elections???
My objection is that we have at our fingertips access to make the precious voting system better and the objection is what exactly...there are people who don't want their picture taken? Really?
If you are in favor of having people register to vote, you should be in favor of making that registration mean something; in my view. Right now, Peter Rabbit can pose as me at a polling place or in some places just walk in and cast a ballot depending on the blood sugar level of the polling official and we chalk it up to "well, it didn't make a difference". Maybe it did, maybe it didn't.
Well, on that front, I'm for the Federal Government buying voting devices and providing them to the counties free of charge just to standardize the system.
Doesn't matter. Voter ID nuts will still state South Carolina's "fraud" as fact. They have never let truth jor logic get in the way before, so why start now.
Not trying to be a doubting thomas here but there is fraud that is on purpose and there is fraud committed by accident. My polling place chaned a few times while I lived in Texas because I was re-districted into another district. I wasn't commiting fraud but I was in a booth where I didn't belong, casting a ballot. If you were to examine that election, my ballot should have been thrown out.
But let's say that the line I crossed over wasn't a redistricting line but one of city limits. We lived in Houston but two or three blocks away was another city. City ordinances would be on the ballot often; just as they are in Phoenix now. If you live in Glendale or Tucson or Paradise Valley or Tempe, the Phoenix ordinances don't affect you. If you're going to the wrong polling place, you could be voting on ordinances that you should be disallowed from; the folks in Tempe shouldn't be voting to increase the Phoenix city sales tax for example.
I would wager that several people show up at the polling place ignorant of whether it is the "official" polling location or not and are given a ballot that is improper. Since Brewer and McCain and/or Flake are on the ballot, they cast the ballot but down ballot, there are judges, referendums, propositions, etc...
Should people in Ohio be able to vote in Pennsylvania? I don't think so. I would like to have as much assurance as possible that it isn't happening.
This is how it works in CA. If you are registered in the county and go to the wrong polling place, you vote Provisionally and only those parts of the ballot that you are qualified to vote on are counted.
If your name isn't in the roster signifying you are registered in that precinct, for that county, you vote Provisionally. If you aren't registered in the county, your ballot isn't counted.
Picture IDs on Voter Registration Cards; made available to any registrant free of charge.No, actually, my objection to the, giggle, objection on the left is that we have technology readily available in many high schools that will assure the person who is registered is casting the ballot.
I laugh at those who says there was fraud in the elections. The same elections that installed strong democratic leadership on the national level gave us more Republican Governors than Democratic governors. The guys on the right can't explain that...or does this fraud only show up for federal elections???
My objection is that we have at our fingertips access to make the precious voting system better and the objection is what exactly...there are people who don't want their picture taken? Really?
If you are in favor of having people register to vote, you should be in favor of making that registration mean something; in my view. Right now, Peter Rabbit can pose as me at a polling place or in some places just walk in and cast a ballot depending on the blood sugar level of the polling official and we chalk it up to "well, it didn't make a difference". Maybe it did, maybe it didn't.
What technology at High Schools are you proposing be utilized?
As pointed out, a party chairwoman in, I believe it was, Palm Beach County Florida changed the course of history by approving a butterfly ballot that resulted in Gore losing the entire state. The stakes are much higher in our elections than cars exceeding the speed limit. I think we should take them seriously.Those opposed to these ID laws fall into two categories in my opinion...those that think it's a way of keeping track of the populace or some such shit (show me your papers) and those, like me, that don't believe we should be disenfranchising hundreds of voters to stop fraud that isn't occurring. When you've got anywhere from 10-40% of the voting populace that don't have the ID required by some of these states, you're way out of balance.
If someone takes the very great risk of identifying themselves as you at the polls (remember, this is in YOUR neighborhood, where people could know you) the likelihood is great that they will get caught and the fines are nothing to laugh at.
We have the technology to keep people from exceeding the speed limit. We could put governors on their cars. We don't...we rely on law enforcement to catch the speeders.
Well, on that front, I'm for the Federal Government buying voting devices and providing them to the counties free of charge just to standardize the system.
Totally down with that....or at LEAST have minimum requirements such as a verifiable paper trail, functional and logic and accuracy testing and then a mandatory post election audit of 1% of the voting precincts at a minimum.
Failed premise.
we put blinders on and went looking, and oh my. We found nothing.
So said the CEO who investigates his own company for defrauding customers.
I'll say it one more time.
Voter ID harms no one, and targets no one. Why? Because when we all have to play from the same set of rules, we all win.
Make up rules for others, and the fraud and crimes is in the motive for wanting to keep the rules from being fair.
Its like the phoney argument about no convictions for voter fraud. No convictions does NOT mean there was no voter fraud.
But........if you have a tendency against fairness.....all I can say is keep getting those dollars for your research, regardless of how invalid the premise is.
