Republicans can’t seem to accurately define what socialism is

[Uncensored2008]

Wrong. If the state controls the means of production, then they are not privatel held. Then you have socialism. Fascism is a form of socialism.

Hugo Boss was a bankrupt German clothing manufacturer prior to the Nazi reign. He joined the party and began supplying uniforms to the Nazis.

He owned the means of production including wage labor.

Was he a capitalist or a socialist?

/——/ Neither one. He was a pragmatic person who didn’t want to end up in a concentration camp. Same thing about Ferdinand Porsche who was anti Nazi but Hitler put a gun to his head and said build me a bad ass tank. The results? A Porsche Tiger Tank. View attachment 181593

Ok derp. Whatever you say.

Since being engaged by the Nazi authorities in building the Volksauto, Porsche was praised as the Great German Engineer.[5] Hitler considered Czechs subhuman[10] and Porsche was in 1934 urged to apply for German citizenship.[5] A few days later, Porsche indeed filed a declaration giving up the Czechoslovak citizenship at a Czechoslovak consulate in Stuttgart.[17] In 1937, Porsche joined the National Socialist German Workers' Party[18] (becoming member no. 5,643,287[19]) as well as the SS.[20] By 1938, Porsche was using the SS as security members and drivers at his factory, and later set up a special unit called SS Sturmwerk Volkswagen.[19] In 1942, Porsche reached the rank of SS-Oberführer.[21] During the war, Porsche was further decorated with the SS-Ehrenring and awarded the War Merit Cross.[22] As the war progressed his proposed solutions to new developments became more complex and Ferdinand Porsche gained a reputation in certain circles as a "mad scientist" especially with Albert Speer (mainly due to his new found affinity for "pointy" designs).[23]

/—-/ Part of my family was from Germany before and during the war, you went along with Hitler if you wanted to live. Porsche had little choice. He over designed the Tiger and it became prone to breakdowns. Many were abandoned in the field because the average tank crew couldn’t work on them nor had the parts.

He was a capitalist nonetheless.

Got any more suggestions? I'm trying to show a pattern.

Nah, that's a fucking lie, as you know and I have proven dozens of times.

If you had integrity, you would stop fomenting this lie, which I have personally defeated you on many times.

 

[Tehon]

Hugo Boss was a bankrupt German clothing manufacturer prior to the Nazi reign. He joined the party and began supplying uniforms to the Nazis.

He owned the means of production including wage labor.

Was he a capitalist or a socialist?

/——/ Neither one. He was a pragmatic person who didn’t want to end up in a concentration camp. Same thing about Ferdinand Porsche who was anti Nazi but Hitler put a gun to his head and said build me a bad ass tank. The results? A Porsche Tiger Tank. View attachment 181593

Ok derp. Whatever you say.

Since being engaged by the Nazi authorities in building the Volksauto, Porsche was praised as the Great German Engineer.[5] Hitler considered Czechs subhuman[10] and Porsche was in 1934 urged to apply for German citizenship.[5] A few days later, Porsche indeed filed a declaration giving up the Czechoslovak citizenship at a Czechoslovak consulate in Stuttgart.[17] In 1937, Porsche joined the National Socialist German Workers' Party[18] (becoming member no. 5,643,287[19]) as well as the SS.[20] By 1938, Porsche was using the SS as security members and drivers at his factory, and later set up a special unit called SS Sturmwerk Volkswagen.[19] In 1942, Porsche reached the rank of SS-Oberführer.[21] During the war, Porsche was further decorated with the SS-Ehrenring and awarded the War Merit Cross.[22] As the war progressed his proposed solutions to new developments became more complex and Ferdinand Porsche gained a reputation in certain circles as a "mad scientist" especially with Albert Speer (mainly due to his new found affinity for "pointy" designs).[23]

/—-/ Part of my family was from Germany before and during the war, you went along with Hitler if you wanted to live. Porsche had little choice. He over designed the Tiger and it became prone to breakdowns. Many were abandoned in the field because the average tank crew couldn’t work on them nor had the parts.

He was a capitalist nonetheless.

Got any more suggestions? I'm trying to show a pattern.

Nah, that's a fucking lie, as you know and I have proven dozens of times.

If you had integrity, you would stop fomenting this lie, which I have personally defeated you on many times.

Refresh my memory.

 

[impuretrash]

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What difference was there between Hitler and Stalin?

I'd say Hitler straddled the line between authoritarian left and right while Stalin was full on authoritarian left. Mussolini was far right authoritarian.

You didn't answer shit. The question was what is the difference between Hitler and Stalin. Be specific. The inane sweeping shit means shit

Theres quite a few differences but to keep it simple, mainly in who they hated/blamed. Stalin hated the wealthy and hitler hated the Jews.

Izatrite?


“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” – Gregor Strasser - OberFuhrer of the Gerrman National Socialist Workers Party, #2 to Adolf Hitler.


{. The theme was that the country’s values were being undermined by ‘rootless cosmopolitans.’ There was a particularly vicious assault on [Jewish] theater critics, eventually described as ‘an anti-party group.’ When their Russianized names or pseudonyms were given, the original Jewish name was printed in brackets, and papers asked how anyone so named could understand Russian culture. Meanwhile unpublicized arrests [of Jews], especially of writers in Yiddish, continued, and there was a general growth of public anti-Jewish pressure. Among those arrested at the end of 1948 was Polina Molotov.} - Stalin's Anti-Semitism

Hmmm, not exactly as you described this....

You do realize that you can be anti capitalist and socially conservative at the same time, right? Hitler's socialism is not the socialism of friggin' Denmark. Obviously.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

How anyone can watch socialism take down a country in just the last decade or so in Venezuela and still think that's the system we need in place here is mind boggling.

 

[jc456]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

It's pretty easy to define actually. And we've done so often.

Socialism is that thing that makes you poorer while telling you they will make you richer by stealing the richer persons stuff because they owe you that. And it results in the rich guy and the poor guy standing in line side by side trying to get a minimal meal from the government or a roll of toilet paper to wipe their asses. Socialism never can make a poor person rich. It can and does make everyone even the poor they said they would help even worse off. Of course the only rich person in a socialist system is the guy in charge and all of his buddies. Socialism never effects the rulers enforcing it. Everyone else pays the price.

^^^^^^this

 

[Tehon]

What difference was there between Hitler and Stalin?

I'd say Hitler straddled the line between authoritarian left and right while Stalin was full on authoritarian left. Mussolini was far right authoritarian.

You didn't answer shit. The question was what is the difference between Hitler and Stalin. Be specific. The inane sweeping shit means shit

Theres quite a few differences but to keep it simple, mainly in who they hated/blamed. Stalin hated the wealthy and hitler hated the Jews.

Izatrite?


“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” – Gregor Strasser - OberFuhrer of the Gerrman National Socialist Workers Party, #2 to Adolf Hitler.


{. The theme was that the country’s values were being undermined by ‘rootless cosmopolitans.’ There was a particularly vicious assault on [Jewish] theater critics, eventually described as ‘an anti-party group.’ When their Russianized names or pseudonyms were given, the original Jewish name was printed in brackets, and papers asked how anyone so named could understand Russian culture. Meanwhile unpublicized arrests [of Jews], especially of writers in Yiddish, continued, and there was a general growth of public anti-Jewish pressure. Among those arrested at the end of 1948 was Polina Molotov.} - Stalin's Anti-Semitism

Hmmm, not exactly as you described this....

You do realize that you can be anti capitalist and socially conservative at the same time, right? Hitler's socialism is not the socialism of friggin' Denmark. Obviously.

Of course he doesn't realize anything that he hasn't been indoctrinated with.

Hitler wasn't even anti capitalist. He disliked the worst excesses of capitalism. He wanted capitalism to serve the volk, not pillage it like he had witnessed the banks do following the WWI.

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[francoHFW]

Communism is a dictatorship where all business and industry is owned by the government. DUH!!!!! The GOP has the stupidest voters in the modern world. Okay brainwashed functional stupid...

All of which started with democratic socialism. They all had to expand to communism. They ran out of other peoples money.

Absolute b*******. The Soviet Union communist China had been absolutely corrupt capitalist messes. No country has gone to Communism without a violent Revolution. You're a brainwashed idiot.

 

[francoHFW]

Communism is a dictatorship where all business and industry is owned by the government. DUH!!!!! The GOP has the stupidest voters in the modern world. Okay brainwashed functional stupid...

All of which started with democratic socialism. They all had to expand to communism. They ran out of other peoples money.

Absolute b*******. The Soviet Union communist China had been absolutely corrupt capitalist messes. No country has gone to Communism without a violent Revolution. You're a brainwashed idiot.

Socialism, that is fair capitalism, is what stops countries from going communist.

 

[francoHFW]

Socialism is simply Fair capitalism, brainwashed functional moron. Sweden Germany Canada to Australia have plenty of food just like us. Venezuela would have gone to hell no matter what their government when oil prices went to hell. Also there is plenty of right-wing sabotage there. Thanks W bush and GOP for the world depression which you dupes don't even know about for crying out loud...

 

[JGalt]

Communism is a dictatorship where all business and industry is owned by the government. DUH!!!!! The GOP has the stupidest voters in the modern world. Okay brainwashed functional stupid...

All of which started with democratic socialism. They all had to expand to communism. They ran out of other peoples money.

Absolute b*******. The Soviet Union communist China had been absolutely corrupt capitalist messes. No country has gone to Communism without a violent Revolution. You're a brainwashed idiot.

Socialism, that is fair capitalism, is what stops countries from going communist.

Obviously you are a far smarter feller than that Vladimir Lenin goober. Maybe you could have taught him a few things, right?

He once made the mistaken assertion that "The goal of socialism is communism", but I bet you could have set him straight and explained to him what socialism really is, right? After all, that Lenin goober was nothing but a brainwashed functional moron double-dupe, and you're so much smarter than he was. Right?

 

[francoHFW]

Outside of the imaginary GOP dupe world, the whole world knows that socialism is always democratic, well regulated capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now"-the Finland prime minister when ObamaCare was passed...

Well, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Castro, Chavez, Baby Doc, Ho Chi Mihn, and Ortega are heroes of the filthy, treasonous democrat party, vile scum that they are. But democratic? Not so much...

The hell they are, brainwashed functional hater Dupe moron.

 

[francoHFW]

Communism is a dictatorship where all business and industry is owned by the government. DUH!!!!! The GOP has the stupidest voters in the modern world. Okay brainwashed functional stupid...

All of which started with democratic socialism. They all had to expand to communism. They ran out of other peoples money.

Absolute b*******. The Soviet Union communist China had been absolutely corrupt capitalist messes. No country has gone to Communism without a violent Revolution. You're a brainwashed idiot.

Socialism, that is fair capitalism, is what stops countries from going communist.

Obviously you are a far smarter feller than that Vladimir Lenin goober. Maybe you could have taught him a few things, right?

He once made the mistaken assertion that "The goal of socialism is communism", but I bet you could have set him straight and explained to him what socialism really is, right?

Brainwashed functional moron... Outside your bubble, everyone knows the difference between communism and socialism. Lenin said that before World War 1 you idiot.

 

[Wry Catcher]

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Most of those who vote for Republicans don't know the difference between an economic ideology and a political ideology.

What is it your masters think that means, Comrade?

What exactly is it that you, or any of the Bolsheviks here think you know about economics?

The founder of your party and philosophy, Karl Marx wrote of a "dictatorship of the proletariat" as the means of forcing people to serve the state instead of their own interests.

Dictatorship Comrade, is that an economic, or governmental system? You may want to pretend you Stalinists simply promote an economic system, yet the authoritarian dictatorship you advocate is governmental.

Please define Socialism (he can't and won't even try).

 

[francoHFW]

Communism is a dictatorship where all business and industry is owned by the government. DUH!!!!! The GOP has the stupidest voters in the modern world. Okay brainwashed functional stupid...

Communism doesn't exist in a pure form ... It is an Oligarchy at best in the real world.

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Most of these dumb Stalinists have never read Marx. FascistFranco never got past "Fun with Dick and Jane"

Marx presented Communism as a Nirvana that would never be reached by mortals, a magical world where the brutal dictatorship of the socialists would fade away for all the good boys and girls....

Marx and Lenin were wrong, idiot. D u h.

 

[francoHFW]

Communism is a dictatorship where all business and industry is owned by the government. DUH!!!!! The GOP has the stupidest voters in the modern world. Okay brainwashed functional stupid...

Communism doesn't exist in a pure form ... It is an Oligarchy at best in the real world.

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Most of these dumb Stalinists have never read Marx. FascistFranco never got past "Fun with Dick and Jane"

Marx presented Communism as a Nirvana that would never be reached by mortals, a magical world where the brutal dictatorship of the socialists would fade away for all the good boys and girls....

I have a masters in history, you have a masters in b******* hate GOP propaganda, super dupe.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's an oppressive economic construct that forcibly confiscates the property of some to give to others who didn't earn it. It's immoral and unethical and hardly surprising that you support it.

So why did the founding fathers allow socialism?

Q. So why did the founding fathers allow socialism

A. The Articles of Confederation were a failure.

 

[francoHFW]

So I said Sweden isn't a socialist state and you appear to be in agreement in that you think it is a fascist state. Which you then conflate with socialism.

You can't be reasoned with. You just make shit up as you go along.

Fundamentally, socialism is a system of producing commodities that distinguishes itself from the capitalist system by abolishing private ownership of the means of production.

Shifting control of the means of production to the state gets us no closer to socialism because the means are still privately held ie fascism.

And there is a reason fascism took hold in Europe around the time of WWI. It was a capitalist reaction to the socialist groundswell that was taking root. The same happened here, though it didn't require such extreme measures to contain.

Pretty much all of the "isms" have a fascist element in them. The difference that the more restrictive the "ism" becomes on the population at large the higher degree of fascism must be used. Eventually the end is always the same, Communism. The problem is every one of those systems has failed. I always find it funny that those advocating Socialism and or Communism deny the same disparity in income/living conditions that exist in Capitalism.

Fascism is right wing authoritarianism and Communism is left wing authoritarianism.

That makes no sense. There is nothing right wing about socialism and fascism is a form of socialism. They're both left, Holmes

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What difference was there between Hitler and Stalin?

Hitler was a capitalist, Stalin was a communist duh...

 

[BlackSand]

I have a masters in history, you have a masters in b******* hate GOP propaganda, super dupe.

And you still bitch and whine like a little girl ...
You also have a very hard time understanding that we don't have to fit your fucked up vision of the way things really are.


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[jc456]

Outside of the imaginary GOP dupe world, the whole world knows that socialism is always democratic, well regulated capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now"-the Finland prime minister when ObamaCare was passed...

Guess we aren't since obiecare has been gutted.

Yep great job GOP. Back to 45,000 people dying a year with no health insurance and no solution to the ridiculous costs that are the real problem, and the result of GOP policy and our Healthcare non-system.

45,000 people die with health insurance. Health insurance doesn’t help health

 

[francoHFW]

How anyone can watch socialism take down a country in just the last decade or so in Venezuela and still think that's the system we need in place here is mind boggling.

Venezuela was screwed when W bush and the GOP started the world depression in 2008 and oil prices went to hell. End of story.