Republicans can’t seem to accurately define what socialism is

[BlackSand]

Don’t you have anything new? That has mold on it

There is never a need to ask a Progressive if they have something new to offer.
It will be more screwed up than what you were talking about in the first place ...

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You're right. We support the same old things.
Education
Healthcare
School lunches
Equal pay for equal work
Voter's rights
Stuff like that.

Hey ... If you want to support the idea you are working on the same things you always have ... It just goes to prove that you suck at getting things done.

 

[francoHFW]

Communism is a dictatorship where all business and industry is owned by the government. DUH!!!!! The GOP has the stupidest voters in the modern world. Okay brainwashed functional stupid...

Communism doesn't exist in a pure form ... It is an Oligarchy at best in the real world.

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Communism failed, it's just not possible with human nature. Socialism, an always democratic well regulated capitalism that's fair to the workers, is the final solution. All modern successful countries are socialist, even us, though we are a GOP Pander to the rich GOP mess.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Most of those who vote for Republicans don't know the difference between an economic ideology and a political ideology.

What is it your masters think that means, Comrade?

What exactly is it that you, or any of the Bolsheviks here think you know about economics?

The founder of your party and philosophy, Karl Marx wrote of a "dictatorship of the proletariat" as the means of forcing people to serve the state instead of their own interests.

Dictatorship Comrade, is that an economic, or governmental system? You may want to pretend you Stalinists simply promote an economic system, yet the authoritarian dictatorship you advocate is governmental.

 

[kaz]

Pretty much all of the "isms" have a fascist element in them. The difference that the more restrictive the "ism" becomes on the population at large the higher degree of fascism must be used. Eventually the end is always the same, Communism. The problem is every one of those systems has failed. I always find it funny that those advocating Socialism and or Communism deny the same disparity in income/living conditions that exist in Capitalism.

Fascism is right wing authoritarianism and Communism is left wing authoritarianism.

That makes no sense. There is nothing right wing about socialism and fascism is a form of socialism. They're both left, Holmes

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What difference was there between Hitler and Stalin?

I'd say Hitler straddled the line between authoritarian left and right while Stalin was full on authoritarian left. Mussolini was far right authoritarian.

You didn't answer shit. The question was what is the difference between Hitler and Stalin. Be specific. The inane sweeping shit means shit

 

[kaz]

Fascism is right wing authoritarianism and Communism is left wing authoritarianism.

That makes no sense. There is nothing right wing about socialism and fascism is a form of socialism. They're both left, Holmes

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What difference was there between Hitler and Stalin?

I'd say Hitler straddled the line between authoritarian left and right while Stalin was full on authoritarian left. Mussolini was far right authoritarian.

An honest man, I salute you.

Honest? How stupid are you?

kaz: how was Hitler right and Stalin left?

impuretrash: Hitler was right and Stalin was left

Doc1: OM fucking G. You are so GD fing honest! Thank you, thank you!!!!!!

 

[francoHFW]

Don’t you have anything new? That has mold on it

There is never a need to ask a Progressive if they have something new to offer.
It will be more screwed up than what you were talking about in the first place ...

.

You're right. We support the same old things.
Education
Healthcare
School lunches
Equal pay for equal work
Voter's rights
Stuff like that.

Hey ... If you want to support the idea you are working on the same things you always have ... It just goes to prove that you suck at getting things done.

America is built to make things tough to change. Even now when all the GOP has is b*******character assassination propaganda and a whole bunch of brainwashed functional morons like you...

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Communism is a dictatorship where all business and industry is owned by the government. DUH!!!!! The GOP has the stupidest voters in the modern world. Okay brainwashed functional stupid...

All of which started with democratic socialism. They all had to expand to communism. They ran out of other peoples money.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Outside of the imaginary GOP dupe world, the whole world knows that socialism is always democratic, well regulated capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now"-the Finland prime minister when ObamaCare was passed...

Well, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Castro, Chavez, Baby Doc, Ho Chi Mihn, and Ortega are heroes of the filthy, treasonous democrat party, vile scum that they are. But democratic? Not so much...

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Outside of the imaginary GOP dupe world, the whole world knows that socialism is always democratic, well regulated capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now"-the Finland prime minister when ObamaCare was passed...

Well, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Castro, Chavez, Baby Doc, Ho Chi Mihn, and Ortega are heroes of the filthy, treasonous democrat party, vile scum that they are. But democratic? Not so much...

They all started democratic. In the end not so much.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Communism is a dictatorship where all business and industry is owned by the government. DUH!!!!! The GOP has the stupidest voters in the modern world. Okay brainwashed functional stupid...

Communism doesn't exist in a pure form ... It is an Oligarchy at best in the real world.

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Most of these dumb Stalinists have never read Marx. FascistFranco never got past "Fun with Dick and Jane"

Marx presented Communism as a Nirvana that would never be reached by mortals, a magical world where the brutal dictatorship of the socialists would fade away for all the good boys and girls....

 

[regent]

It's an oppressive economic construct that forcibly confiscates the property of some to give to others who didn't earn it. It's immoral and unethical and hardly surprising that you support it.

So why did the founding fathers allow socialism?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Fascism is right wing authoritarianism and Communism is left wing authoritarianism.

That makes no sense. There is nothing right wing about socialism and fascism is a form of socialism. They're both left, Holmes

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What difference was there between Hitler and Stalin?

I'd say Hitler straddled the line between authoritarian left and right while Stalin was full on authoritarian left. Mussolini was far right authoritarian.

An honest man, I salute you.

Holy fuck but you're stupid.

Did you finish second grade?

 

[BlackSand]

America is built to make things tough to change. Even now when all the GOP has is b*******character assassination propaganda and a whole bunch of brainwashed functional morons like you...

I am not complaining about the state of my affairs ... While you always complain about the state of things around you ... Who's the moron after all ...

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[ThunderKiss1965]

The truth of the matter is that it is a very broad term. It’s something that’s always been apart of the framework of this country yet Repubs like to pretend it is the antithesis of the Founding Father’s philosophy. Republicans have a hard time even defining the term in their OWN WORDS. That alone tells you they lack a basic understanding of the word.

Neither can democrats every failed attempt of the sociopolitical philosophy is described by Dems as being not true socialism. So why can't people seem to get it right and why have most attempts ended in the deaths of 100's of millions of people ?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Actually, Mussolini wasn't as far right as Stalin was far left. You'd probably have to dig back into medieval times to find a true far right authoritarian system of government. But that's just my opinion.

Actually, Mussolini was as far left as it's possible to be.

Quick quiz for the Stalinist retards here:

Prior to forming the Fascisti, Benito Mussolini was head of what?

1. The Reelect Donald Trump party
2. The Republican Party
3. The Italian we sho due be right wingers party
4. The Italian Bolshivik party
   

The Magazine Avanti was a publication promoting

1. Donald Trump
2. Free market capitalism
3. V.I. Lenin and Communism
4. Sports Illustrated Swimsuit models

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

It's an oppressive economic construct that forcibly confiscates the property of some to give to others who didn't earn it. It's immoral and unethical and hardly surprising that you support it.

The very basic definition of the word has nothing to do with this. Socialism’s definition isn’t about authoritarianism.

But for it to sort of work socialism has to adopt authoritarian methods.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's an oppressive economic construct that forcibly confiscates the property of some to give to others who didn't earn it. It's immoral and unethical and hardly surprising that you support it.

So why did the founding fathers allow socialism?

Allow?

Fucking Stalinists, liars you are, and stupid you shall remain.

The founding fathers nationalized exactly which industries again?

DERP....

 

[impuretrash]

Fascism is right wing authoritarianism and Communism is left wing authoritarianism.

That makes no sense. There is nothing right wing about socialism and fascism is a form of socialism. They're both left, Holmes

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What difference was there between Hitler and Stalin?

I'd say Hitler straddled the line between authoritarian left and right while Stalin was full on authoritarian left. Mussolini was far right authoritarian.

You didn't answer shit. The question was what is the difference between Hitler and Stalin. Be specific. The inane sweeping shit means shit

Theres quite a few differences but to keep it simple, mainly in who they hated/blamed. Stalin hated the wealthy and hitler hated the Jews.

 

[Tehon]

So I said Sweden isn't a socialist state and you appear to be in agreement in that you think it is a fascist state. Which you then conflate with socialism.

You can't be reasoned with. You just make shit up as you go along.

Fundamentally, socialism is a system of producing commodities that distinguishes itself from the capitalist system by abolishing private ownership of the means of production.

Shifting control of the means of production to the state gets us no closer to socialism because the means are still privately held ie fascism.

And there is a reason fascism took hold in Europe around the time of WWI. It was a capitalist reaction to the socialist groundswell that was taking root. The same happened here, though it didn't require such extreme measures to contain.

Wrong. If the state controls the means of production, then they are not privatel held. Then you have socialism. Fascism is a form of socialism.

Hugo Boss was a bankrupt German clothing manufacturer prior to the Nazi reign. He joined the party and began supplying uniforms to the Nazis.

He owned the means of production including wage labor.

Was he a capitalist or a socialist?

/——/ Neither one. He was a pragmatic person who didn’t want to end up in a concentration camp. Same thing about Ferdinand Porsche who was anti Nazi but Hitler put a gun to his head and said build me a bad ass tank. The results? A Porsche Tiger Tank. View attachment 181593

Ok derp. Whatever you say.

Since being engaged by the Nazi authorities in building the Volksauto, Porsche was praised as the Great German Engineer.[5] Hitler considered Czechs subhuman[10] and Porsche was in 1934 urged to apply for German citizenship.[5] A few days later, Porsche indeed filed a declaration giving up the Czechoslovak citizenship at a Czechoslovak consulate in Stuttgart.[17] In 1937, Porsche joined the National Socialist German Workers' Party[18] (becoming member no. 5,643,287[19]) as well as the SS.[20] By 1938, Porsche was using the SS as security members and drivers at his factory, and later set up a special unit called SS Sturmwerk Volkswagen.[19] In 1942, Porsche reached the rank of SS-Oberführer.[21] During the war, Porsche was further decorated with the SS-Ehrenring and awarded the War Merit Cross.[22] As the war progressed his proposed solutions to new developments became more complex and Ferdinand Porsche gained a reputation in certain circles as a "mad scientist" especially with Albert Speer (mainly due to his new found affinity for "pointy" designs).[23]

/—-/ Part of my family was from Germany before and during the war, you went along with Hitler if you wanted to live. Porsche had little choice. He over designed the Tiger and it became prone to breakdowns. Many were abandoned in the field because the average tank crew couldn’t work on them nor had the parts.

He was a capitalist nonetheless.

Got any more suggestions? I'm trying to show a pattern.

 

[impuretrash]

That makes no sense. There is nothing right wing about socialism and fascism is a form of socialism. They're both left, Holmes

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What difference was there between Hitler and Stalin?

I'd say Hitler straddled the line between authoritarian left and right while Stalin was full on authoritarian left. Mussolini was far right authoritarian.

An honest man, I salute you.

Honest? How stupid are you?

kaz: how was Hitler right and Stalin left?

impuretrash: Hitler was right and Stalin was left

Doc1: OM fucking G. You are so GD fing honest! Thank you, thank you!!!!!!

I didn't say Hitler was right-wing. I said he straddled the line but was definitely authoritarian. He had some socialist ideas but also some conservative leanings. He used the power of the state to get rid of who he saw as moral degenerates.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That makes no sense. There is nothing right wing about socialism and fascism is a form of socialism. They're both left, Holmes

View attachment 181588

What difference was there between Hitler and Stalin?

I'd say Hitler straddled the line between authoritarian left and right while Stalin was full on authoritarian left. Mussolini was far right authoritarian.

You didn't answer shit. The question was what is the difference between Hitler and Stalin. Be specific. The inane sweeping shit means shit

Theres quite a few differences but to keep it simple, mainly in who they hated/blamed. Stalin hated the wealthy and hitler hated the Jews.

Izatrite?


“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” – Gregor Strasser - OberFuhrer of the Gerrman National Socialist Workers Party, #2 to Adolf Hitler.


{. The theme was that the country’s values were being undermined by ‘rootless cosmopolitans.’ There was a particularly vicious assault on [Jewish] theater critics, eventually described as ‘an anti-party group.’ When their Russianized names or pseudonyms were given, the original Jewish name was printed in brackets, and papers asked how anyone so named could understand Russian culture. Meanwhile unpublicized arrests [of Jews], especially of writers in Yiddish, continued, and there was a general growth of public anti-Jewish pressure. Among those arrested at the end of 1948 was Polina Molotov.} - Stalin's Anti-Semitism

Hmmm, not exactly as you described this....