Republicans continue their assault on Democracy

[meaner gene]

No I don't, and that's not in this bill either. No legislature can overturn an election in this law.

If can invalidate the election results, they can then substitute their own results under their legislative power to appoint electors.

Grow a brain.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If can invalidate the election results, they can then substitute their own results under their legislative power to appoint electors.

Grow a brain.

Show me where it says that in this bill.

 

[Lesh]

If.....when.....you can't, well.....then the only explanation is a stolen election.

That's insane "logic".

 

[meaner gene]

You commies always think you can win a debate with lies. It never works but you keep doing it.

Where does it say that if a court won't hear a case the winner will be decided on by the legislature?

The election laws. That's why Bush v Gore stopped a recount, because it couldn't be done in time to appoint the electors. (Safe harbor clause US Code)
Election law requires that absentee ballots go out at least 45 days before election day. Which pushes the election past December 12th, the day the electors are to vote.

That's why I said a court can't order a new presidential election in time for electors to be voted on by the people.

 

[meaner gene]

And the exact words are they can petition the court for another election, not that they can overturn anything.

If a court could order a new presidential election, they could have done that in florida in 2000. But the US Supreme court made clear. You have to finalize the election within the statutory deadlines of US Code.

And federal law requires that the absentee ballots go out AT LEAST 45 days before election day.

Take election day, add 45 days, and any new election would be well past the December 12th deadline.

 

[sealybobo]

Gee, where did you get that from anything I ever posted?

Your party.

 

[sealybobo]

Its not scientific fact. The fossil record gives no clue that any basic type of animal has ever changed into another basic type of animal, for no undisputed chain of in-between forms has ever been discovered. That is fact.

Nonsense. Not having this conversation with a rwnj. What’s your theory?

 

[meaner gene]

Wrong. If a court refuses to hear a case, then the original findings stand. It's just like when the SC refuses to hear a case already ruled on by the lower courts. If they don't want to hear the case, the last lower court ruling is law.

The legislature just INVALIDED the election results. So there are NO ELECTION results.
The courts would be powerless to order a new presidential election, since it couldn't be held within the statutory time limits (See Bush v Gore 2000) leaving the legislatures inherent power to APPOINT electors, as the only franchise available to the state.

QUID PRO QUO

 

[Not a Monkeys Uncle]

Democrats are the party of Socialism, Sodomy (gay marriage), Infanticide (late term abortion), not allowing Conservative free speech on Youtube and elsewhere, Antifa and BLM Marxist thugs and bullies burning cities, defunding police, Fascist lockdown, voter fraud, and more

And this little OP prick has the nerve to say that Republicans continue their assault on Democracy?

And do the mods move this to the Rubber Room the way they move actual factual posts by conservatives there ?

This thread is a giant lie by a little piece of shit, and this forum is a joke for allowing it.

 

[meaner gene]

Show me where it says that in this bill.

It says it in the US Constitution.

 

[playtime]

I have posted three sources, one from a news source in Arizona

Like Trump taught you…..If you don’t like a fact, just make up your own

What is wrong Ray?
Afraid to stand up for Democracy?

2018 - donny speaking to a group of vets:

' What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening.... stick with us '

Trump: What you're seeing in the news 'is not what's happening'

 

[rightwinger]

The legislature just INVALIDED the election results. So there are NO ELECTION results.
The courts would be powerless to order a new presidential election, since it couldn't be held within the statutory time limits (See Bush v Gore 2000) leaving the legislatures inherent power to APPOINT electors, as the only franchise available to the state.

QUID PRO QUO

The Legislature invalidates the election for no reason

The court doesn’t get to decide if they were right to invalidate the election, only whether to approve a new election
Given that there is no valid election in place, they have no choice but to approve a new election

If the partisan legislature doesn’t like the results of the new election……..Rinse/Repeat

 

[meaner gene]

If [the legislature] can invalidate the election results, they can then substitute their own results under their legislative power to appoint electors.

Grow a brain.

Show me where it says that in this bill.

US Constitution Article II
Section 1
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.

He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress:

 

[playtime]

Some years, the flu is worse than previous years. A virus can become stronger but that isn't the norm. Viruses look for the easiest way to replicate and need to be passed on to new hosts to survive. A more contagious virus thats less deadly is the natural order for a virus.

a few years ago the flu shot missed the mark when it came to which strain was going to be prominent. i got the vaccine & still got the flu - however the symptoms were mild in comparison to what they would have been, had i not gotten a shot at all. i've had the flu without getting vaccinated & it kicked my ass.

give me the shot whether it works 100% or not; at least i won't be out for 2 weeks.

 

[rightwinger]

The bill does not say that, only the lying MSM piece. The bill states that objections are to be sent to the court--not legislatures deciding to overturn an election.

By rejecting the results, the legislature has overturned the election

 

[rightwinger]

Show me where it says that in this bill.

You already deny everything when you are shown what is in the bill

Why should he bother?
Fool me once….

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

A new bill in Arizona allows the partisan legislature to overturn the results of the election, eliminates most mail in voting, requires one day of voting and forbids election centers

Arizona Republicans introduce election subversion bill

Arizona is turning Blue
Republicans are set on stopping that from happening

Voters may elect a Democrat, but the Republican Legislature will just overturn the results.

Conservatives know that the Republican agenda runs counter to the will of the majority of the American people, that Republicans are on the wrong side of the issues and the wrong side of history.

The right’s continued attack on democracy is intended to destroy our democratic institutions and foment the tyranny of Republican minority rule.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Lawsuits, investigations and recounts prove that election fraud is a lie. Take your loses as an adult and move on.

We just established that your sort cannot name any policies of Trump's that you voted against, nor Biden policies you voted for.

You've been more than useful in proving the election was stolen.


Now...one more proof,.....indisputable:


The illegalality of Pennsylvania's theft of the election:

“In Pennsylvania, the question was whether the state’s Supreme Court could override voting rules set by the state legislature. In North Carolina, the question was whether state election officials had the power to alter such voting rules.”

NYTimes



The Pennsylvania Supreme Court had no authority to allow counting of votes received beyond the close of business on election day.



“McPherson v Blacker

Under the second clause of Article II of the Constitution, the legislatures of the several States have exclusive power to direct the manner in which the electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed. Such appointment may be made by the legislatures directly, or by popular vote in districts, or by general ticket, as may be provided by the legislature. If the terms of the clause left the question of power in doubt, contemporaneous and continuous subsequent practical construction has determined the question as above stated. The second clause of Article II of the Constitution was not amended by the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments, and they do not limit the power of appointment to the particular manner pursued at the time of the adoption of these amendments, or secure to every male inhabitant of a State, being a citizen of the United States, the right from the time of his majority to vote for presidential electors. A state law fixing a date for the meeting of electors, differing from that prescribed by the act of Congress, is not thereby wholly invalidated; but the date may be rejected and the law stand. “
McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U.S. 1 | Casetext Search + Citator


No state court can set a time limit for votes that should beyond the end of election day, no matter the delay in mail delivery.

Only an elected legislature may do that.


Now stop lyning and admit you stole the election.

 

[playtime]

Yeah, those hillbillies in Chicago are something else. What you commies want is to attack all gun owners while we on the right support harsher sentences for those who use a gun to violate our laws and leave law abiding citizens alone.

we have several legally owned firearms in our home. an AR 15 is not for hunting ... it's not even effective against the protection of ones' home.

background checks, waiting periods, & banning the ability to buy guns without a permit & safety courses should be what every responsible gun owner would want.

 

[Not a Monkeys Uncle]

You already deny everything when you are shown what is in the bill

Fuck off liar. Youre whole thread is a lie