Republicans, Refugees and the Hysterical Politics of Fear

[TheOldSchool]

The problem with your speel here is that it is not only Republican governors that are opposed to allowing the refugees in, there are also Democrat governors who are opposed. Perhaps you might attempt a little honesty here. It's the American people who are opposed to Obama's policies, Stupid. Obama is handing Donald Trump the 2016 Presidential election.

Only one of them is a Democrat. Nice try though.

That is right. You guys haven't been doing so well, have you.

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We've also scored victory after victory after victory with legislation and in the courts. That's a fair price for improving the country if you ask me.

 

[Moonglow]

Unlike refugees of the past, the ones from Syria are militant Muslims. Syria has a long history of terrorism directed against Israel and the West and a demonstratable hatred of the non-Muslim world. Yet we're expected to forget about that and welcome them inside our borders because their own government tried to kill them? Have you asked yourself why they're refugees from their own government? Maybe because they were a violent threat?

Well, some of those Christians are not 'peaceful' either. Add in the fact we are bombing their homelands, I doubt we even need to talk about religion on this one!

The Christians will just tell you we are not doing it for the glory of Christ...

 

[Coyote]

Well republicans certainly rushed to the thread to prove that Coyote was right about the hysteria. This is ebola all over again.

Right...and what was the Ebola epidemic's horrendous toll in America? One?

 

[the_human_being]

Thanks Obama for handing Donald Trump the 2016 Presidency. We appreciate all you are doing for us.

 

[Moonglow]

Thanks Obama for handing Donald Trump the 2016 Presidency. We appreciate all you are doing for us.

How many chicks will you get from a dozen eggs bought at the local market?

 

[amrchaos]

Unlike refugees of the past, the ones from Syria are militant Muslims. Syria has a long history of terrorism directed against Israel and the West and a demonstratable hatred of the non-Muslim world. Yet we're expected to forget about that and welcome them inside our borders because their own government tried to kill them? Have you asked yourself why they're refugees from their own government? Maybe because they were a violent threat?

Well, some of those Christians are not 'peaceful' either. Add in the fact we are bombing their homelands, I doubt we even need to talk about religion on this one!

The Christians will just tell you we are not doing it for the glory of Christ...

The Christian terrorist will not use suicide techniques. That makes the Christian more dangerous because he is reusable!

 

[the_human_being]

Thanks Obama for handing Donald Trump the 2016 Presidency. We appreciate all you are doing for us.

How many chicks will you get from a dozen eggs bought at the local market?

Turn out the lights, the party's over for the Democrat Party. The Republicans will control the governorships, the state legislatures, both houses of Congress and the Presidency. We will have taken America back. Obama is determined to assure Donald Trump the win. His failed policies on both the foreign and domestic fronts have paved the way for a Republican landslide victory.

 

[Moonglow]

Thanks Obama for handing Donald Trump the 2016 Presidency. We appreciate all you are doing for us.

How many chicks will you get from a dozen eggs bought at the local market?

Turn out the lights, the party's over for the Democrat Party. The Republicans will control the governorships, the state legislatures, both houses of Congress and the Presidency. We will have taken America back. Obama is determined to assure Donald Trump the win. His failed policies on both the foreign and domestic fronts have paved the way for a Republican landslide victory.

Well at least if they don't you have a reason for drinking so much..

 

[g5000]

WWWWAAAAAAHHHHH People want to be safe instead of sorry WWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

 

[g5000]

Well the forgers have been working overtime to produce Syrian passports. $2000. and BINGO! You're a valid Syrian refugee! A Daily Mail journalist got passports in 4 days.

The Syrian passports to terror: EIGHT migrants have got into Europe with same papers as those found on stadium suicide bomber

• Eight migrants have reached Europe with passports identical to bomber
• They are carbon copies of one found on one of the ISIS bombers corpse
• They are in the name Ahmad Almohammad and had same date of birth
• He was one of three jihadis who blew themselves up outside Stade de France

EIGHT migrants have same papers as those found on suicide bomber

 

[TheOldSchool]

Thanks Obama for handing Donald Trump the 2016 Presidency. We appreciate all you are doing for us.

How many chicks will you get from a dozen eggs bought at the local market?

Turn out the lights, the party's over for the Democrat Party. The Republicans will control the governorships, the state legislatures, both houses of Congress and the Presidency. We will have taken America back. Obama is determined to assure Donald Trump the win. His failed policies on both the foreign and domestic fronts have paved the way for a Republican landslide victory.

Doubtful. But if so the invasions we start and the economic chaos that result from one party GOP rule will sweep the Democrats back back into power to clean up the mess. Just like last time.

 

[g5000]

The left needs to learn a lesson. The refugees and illegals coming here will teach it to them.

 

[TNHarley]

WWWWAAAAAAHHHHH People want to be safe instead of sorry WWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

Please tell me what is wrong with wanting them to handle the refugees(if they must) WITHOUT endangering the American people? PLEASE INFORM ME

 

[g5000]

WWWWAAAAAAHHHHH People want to be safe instead of sorry WWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

Please tell me what is wrong with wanting them to handle the refugees(if they must) WITHOUT endangering the American people? PLEASE INFORM ME

You cowards don't want to "handle" the refugees. You don't want to touch them at all. You want to send them back to be slaughtered by the tens of thousands.

You are heartless, gutless, yellow-bellied herd animals. The Gnu Right.

 

[Katzndogz]

ISIS has claimed that the next attack will be on Washington DC. Oh well. No use sitting around being afraid. Let it happen.

 

[TNHarley]

WWWWAAAAAAHHHHH People want to be safe instead of sorry WWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

Please tell me what is wrong with wanting them to handle the refugees(if they must) WITHOUT endangering the American people? PLEASE INFORM ME

You cowards don't want to "handle" the refugees. You don't want to touch them at all. You want to send them back to be slaughtered by the tens of thousands.

You are heartless, gutless, yellow-bellied herd animals. The Gnu Right.

They have been enduring this violence for nearly 2 millennia. Why should they be special? Are you wanting to bring in all the innocents from the ME and Africa?
What makes a person a coward by not wanting to put their lives in danger? That would be called SMART. Werent you in the military? You would figure an all knowing god like you would understand that simple concept of survival.

 

[the_human_being]

House Moves Toward Tougher Vetting of Refugees | RealClearPolitics

 

[Katzndogz]

The refugees cannot be vetted. There is no data base in the middle east that could vet them.

90% of the refugees are men, young men. Draft them into the military. Train them. Send them into Syria to be ground troops in the fight against terrorism.

 

[Weatherman2020]

It's funny how The Right castigates The Left for being all about "fweewings" when utterly shameful crap like this is going on. Fear is a "feeling" too and like many feelings not always rational.

Republicans' anti-refugee rhetoric is shameful and despicable — and probably good politics

As I write this, 26 Republican governors (and one Democrat) have said publicly that they oppose bringing Syrian refugees to their states, with most saying they'd refuse to accept them; by the time you read this, the other five Republican governors may have made similar statements. Meanwhile, every major GOP presidential candidate has come out against bringing Syrian refugees here, and Ted Cruz has introduced a bill to bar any Syrian refugees from settling in the United States.

This hurricane of xenophobia and cynical opportunism makes for a truly odious display. But sadly, it's also good politics for Republicans, at least in the short term.​

Yes...politics is certainly playing a big part. Let's analyze the reality.

Before we go any farther, we should acknowledge a simple fact: If you're concerned about stopping ISIS from committing an act of terrorism in the United States, the 10,000 Syrian refugees who will be admitted after a rigorous vetting process is one of the last things you should be worried about. It's possible (though far from necessary) for a member of ISIS to get to Europe by posing as a refugee, since large numbers of Syrians are somewhat chaotically making their way to places like Greece, and once they're on European soil they can move freely between countries. But the process of getting to the United States as a refugee is completely different.​

Rightwing Histrionic#1 -- we don't know who they are!!!! they could be anyone!!! they aren't vetted well!!!!!

The vetting process is far more extensive for a refugee coming in than it is for, say, someone with a tourist visa. It can take upwards of 2 years before they are admitted.

4 Things To Know About The Vetting Process For Syrian Refugees

Refugees are screened by several different agencies
Their first point of a refugee's contact is with the U.N. High Commission for Refugees. The UNHCR refers people to countries based on whether they have any family members there and where resettlement makes the most sense, say U.S. officials. If that's the U.S., then refugees are vetted by the National Counterterrorism Center, the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center, and the Departments of State, Defense and Homeland Security. Fingerprints are taken, biographical information is collected. They are then each individually interviewed by U.S. officials trained to verify that they're bona fide refugees.

Refugees from Syria are then subject to additional screening that looks at where they came from and what caused them to flee their home, stories that are checked out. All of this occurs before a refugee is allowed to set foot in the country.

It's a lengthy process

As you might imagine, all of the vetting, from interviews to fingerprinting, takes a while. On average, officials say it's 18 to 24 months before a refugee is approved for admission to the U.S...​

Histrionic #2: why should we be paying for them when we got xyz homeless people and people in poverty? (this one was a shocker to hear because it's the first time I've heard any concern from the Republicans for the welfare of homeless people and their actions in cutting programs demonizing the poor as parasites indicate quite the opposite).

Physical resettlement
There are nine different nonprofit groups, six of them faith-based, that help refugees settle in the U.S. Volunteers with the groups help refugees find homes, furniture, school supplies and jobs.​

Oops...looks like you don't have to pay for it unless you want to, people volunteer because they feel it's the right thing to do - another faux objection.

Histrionic #3: omg omg a refugee disappeared in Louisiana...no one knows where he is!!!!!!! We've got to stop taking Syrian refugees!!!!!

Reality check: umh...no...he was never missing.

Catholic Charities: One Syrian immigrant briefly settled in Baton Rouge before moving; he never went missing
Baton Rouge received one Syrian refugee over the summer, a man Catholic Charities helped for a few days before he left to meet family in another state.


Catholic Charities said Tuesday the man is the only Syrian refugee they have helped recently, and Louisiana State Police confirmed he had left Baton Rouge for Washington, D.C.


But the news of that one man set off a flood of phone calls Tuesday to the organization, especially from misinformation that made some people believe the man had gone missing, Catholic Charities Executive Director David Aguillard said.


One caller even made several threats while on the phone with Catholic Charities, especially against Syrian refugees. State Police said they are investigating the threats and take them seriously.​

Now IS there a need for concern? Some, but far less than the hysteria demands.

Objections of governors and members of Congress

Some officials, including FBI Director James Comey, worry there are what Comey has called "gaps" in the vetting process. Experts say U.S. intelligence in Syria isn't very good, because the U.S. lacks much of a presence on the ground. So there's no way to compile a thorough watch list of possible terrorists from Syria against which refugees can be checked. Administration officials are briefing governors and members of Congress about the process, but lawmakers may try to pass legislation calling on the administration to suspend its refugee resettlement efforts.​

The groups most responsible for helping refugees - whether they are Burmese, Somali, or Syrian are often our religious institutions and other non-profit charities. Kudos to them, for they are struggling to keep our nation's moral compass pointed in the right direction. When all those Central American children were flooding the border, they had the courage to take them in and help them while the wingnuts picketed their bus and yelled slurs.

Christian groups break with GOP over Syrian refugees
Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling refugees to the United States, say they are dismayed by the wave of anti-refugee fervor set off by the Paris terrorist attacks and are urging supporters to contact elected officials on behalf of victims of the Syrian civil war.

Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a core group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most passionate advocates for aiding refugees.

A push by Republican presidential candidates to ban Syrian refugees "does not reflect what we've been hearing from our constituencies, which are evangelical churches across the country," said Jenny Yang, vice president for advocacy at World Relief, an evangelical organization that helps resettle refugees. "Most of the people have been saying we want to continue to work with refugees, that what happened in Paris ... doesn’t reflect who refugees are."​

One question - what do you ask a Syrian refugee who has no records, not even a birth certificate, to determine they are not a threat and want to acclimate into American society peacefully?

Keep in mind 76% of these refugees are male 18-45 years old, aka jihad material.

 

[tinydancer]

Well the forgers have been working overtime to produce Syrian passports. $2000. and BINGO! You're a valid Syrian refugee! A Daily Mail journalist got passports in 4 days.

The Syrian passports to terror: EIGHT migrants have got into Europe with same papers as those found on stadium suicide bomber

• Eight migrants have reached Europe with passports identical to bomber
• They are carbon copies of one found on one of the ISIS bombers corpse
• They are in the name Ahmad Almohammad and had same date of birth
• He was one of three jihadis who blew themselves up outside Stade de France

EIGHT migrants have same papers as those found on suicide bomber

No they aren't a valid refugee - they haven't gone through the screening process.

Well the forgers have been working overtime to produce Syrian passports. $2000. and BINGO! You're a valid Syrian refugee! A Daily Mail journalist got passports in 4 days.

The Syrian passports to terror: EIGHT migrants have got into Europe with same papers as those found on stadium suicide bomber

• Eight migrants have reached Europe with passports identical to bomber
• They are carbon copies of one found on one of the ISIS bombers corpse
• They are in the name Ahmad Almohammad and had same date of birth
• He was one of three jihadis who blew themselves up outside Stade de France

EIGHT migrants have same papers as those found on suicide bomber

No they aren't a valid refugee - they haven't gone through the screening process.

"The UNHCR referral is a crucial first step to gaining admittance to the U.S., but the candidate must then pass “the highest level of security checks conducted on any category of traveler to the United States,” a State Department official said.

The highest level of checks! And then only after the United Nations has assured us that each refugee is okay! Very reassuring!

The State Department will first collect biographical information about the candidate and determine whether they qualify for refugee status.

Since there is no government to consult (unless the State Department wants to check with ISIS or Hizb’allah), there is only one source of information: the refugee. As long as the refugees don't lie, I expect this system will catch all would-be terrorists.

The case is then passed to the Department of Homeland Security, which will send a representative to conduct an in-person interview to further screen the applicant for security concerns and to determine whether the applicant is otherwise admissible, a State Department official said.

You see? A terrorist would have to lie to not one but two branches of government to get into the country. So we're perfectly safe.


And that's the complete process. That's all the vetting. As long as the terrorist isn't an awful liar, anyone can get in."

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