Republicans seem sure that the Democratic Party is communist, but can never identify a specific policy as being communist

[Ray From Cleveland]

We can jerk off equivocating on labels all night long. But in the end, I don't want what Dems are selling. Whatever they're calling it.

That's all fine and dandy, but the point here is Democrat voters have no idea what their party is leading to and what they're really all about. Communism has such a negative connotation which is why they don't actually use the word. It's taboo. Remember how the left reacted when we accused them of supporting socialism just a few decades ago? They were outraged. Today they've finally accepted the term and the policies behind it. In fact one of their front contenders the last two elections admitted he's a socialist, but dressed it up as Socialist/ Democrat so as not to scare people off.

All I'm trying to do here is show people on the left who the man behind the curtain actually is. As I stated earlier, it's like the frog happily swimming in that pot of cold water on top of the stove.

People who just accept communism can travel to a country that's already like that. They can try it out for a couple of years, and if they decide it's not what it's cracked up to be, they can return home to the United States, if their new country allows them to. But once you turn this country into one of those others and find out it's a bad deal, there will be no United States to move back to. It will be gone forever because there is only one United States of America.

This is what I would like to try and avoid before it is too late.

 

[Rigby5]

I don't give a single rat fuck how you want to split Bolshevik hairs, commie.

Democratic Socialism is government-controlled means of production. Just like communism or regular socialism, the individual is deprived of property rights.

THAT IS THE REAL ISSUE AND IT IS WHY WE SHOULD GUT YOU AND YOUR ILK.

So, take your bullshit commie hair splitting and shove it up your fucking ass.

Wrong.
Communism means all the means of production are jointly owned and government is used to run them, but socialism only allows for jointly owned public means of production, and does NOT at all prohibit private enterprise that is capitalist profit motivated.

Neither communism nor socialism have to deprive anyone of property rights at all.
Since socialism allows for both private and public means of production to coexist, nothing has to be done.
But with communism, it depends on how the transition is done.
The government can simply buy out the capitalists enterprises that exist.
Of government could create their own and undercut prices until the private enterprise folds, just like capitalist do to other capitalists all the time.

 

[Rigby5]

People who just accept communism can travel to a country that's already like that. They can try it out for a couple of years, and if they decide it's not what it's cracked up to be, they can return home to the United States, if their new country allows them to. But once you turn this country into one of those others and find out it's a bad deal, there will be no United States to move back to. It will be gone forever because there is only one United States of America.

No they can't.
There is no country remotely communist, and there never has been one.
The fascists were prepared for the revolution in Russia with propaganda a decade earlier.
So the Germans sent in Lenin to totally destroy the communists.
Between Lenin and Stalin, they murdered them all, including ones like Trotsky who tried to hide out in Mexico.
Calling Stalin a communists is like calling South American banana republic dictatorships, a democracy.
They are smart enough to use nice sounding labels, but that is about as far as it gets.
It is impossible to have communism without a democratic republic.
Communism is communal, cooperative, and collective.
So a dictatorship and communism are totally and completely mutually exclusive.

If you ever read Engles or Karl Marx, they always talk about how government should never be coercive, that "government should whither away and die", that capitalists are the only reason why people are so greedy now.
Right or wrong, they claim humans are sharing by nature.

 

[BluesLegend]

More proof Democrats are communists, Biden/Dem gas hit $5.879 a gallon here today.

 

[Leo123]

Democrats are Marxists because they, like all Marxists punish, jail and execute their political rivals using 'select committees.'

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

It definitely seems odd. I mean if you realize you can’t name a specific policy when asked, you think you would come to the realization it isn’t communist.

MTG offers no shortage of stupidity on the subject of course.

Marjorie Taylor Greene Says Top Democrats 'Swore' College Oath to Communism

"Democrats are actually communist," Greene said. "Every single elected Republican should say no to every single thing they want."

www.newsweek.com

Democrats are leftist not Communist. You loons are useful idiots to the Reds. When communism wins the leftist are purged.

 

[dblack]

That's all fine and dandy, but the point here is Democrat voters have no idea what their party is leading to and what they're really all about. Communism has such a negative connotation which is why they don't actually use the word. It's taboo.

That just leads to all the equivocation on names and definitions. It's a shell game that they use to obfuscate what they're up to. My point is, whatever games they happen to be playing with the labels, I see their vision for government and society as oppressive and totalitarian. I don't want every goddamned thing turned into a political struggle, every decision in society subject to majority rule, every aspect of life regulated by law.

 

[Billy000]

If that's what you think, then just accept my challenge. I will post one item at a time. We'll debate each issue where I will show (with documentation or video) how the Democrat party aligns with the Communist party and you can retort how that isn't so with your evidence.

Go for it. Do you actually have a new example?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Go for it. Do you actually have a new example?

No because my old ones are just fine. Speaking of which, from the US Communist website:

The Working Class and the Trade Union Movement

Is this not a leftist Democrat agenda or is it?


Special Oppression & Exploitation

Is this not a Democrat agenda or is it?


The Complexity and Interconnection of National and Racial Oppression

Is this not a Democrat agenda or is it?

Now, for every one you deny, I'm going to post actual words from Democrats or videos which is even better. Go!

 

[Billy000]

No because my old ones are just fine. Speaking of which, from the US Communist website:

The Working Class and the Trade Union Movement

Is this not a leftist Democrat agenda or is it?


Special Oppression & Exploitation

Is this not a Democrat agenda or is it?


The Complexity and Interconnection of National and Racial Oppression

Is this not a Democrat agenda or is it?

Now, for every one you deny, I'm going to post actual words from Democrats or videos which is even better. Go!

All of these are completely generic. They lack any specifics. I mean seriously dude “special oppression and exploitation”. What? Lol can you get more vague? So everyone who addresses this issue is a communist? That’s just stupid lol.

Is wanting to end racism a communist idea? No. They probably just care about it regardless of whether or not it happens to fit the definition of communism. Are you personally opposed to ending racism?

I noticed you didn’t post the link to this website or specifically to this page.

Democrats care about the working class, but the specific polices that they push addressing this issue is what ultimately defines the issue. Do democrats talk about paying everyone the same regardless of work? No they don’t. That’s a communist idea. Democrats want to alleviate poverty and strengthen the middle class. Neither one of those ideas involve ending the wealthy class.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

All of these are completely generic. They lack any specifics. I mean seriously dude “special oppression and exploitation”. What? Lol can you get more vague? So everyone who addresses this issue is a communist? That’s just stupid lol.

Is wanting to end racism a communist idea? No. They probably just care about it regardless of whether or not it happens to fit the definition of communism. Are you personally opposed to ending racism?

I noticed you didn’t post the link to this website or specifically to this page.

Democrats care about the working class, but the specific polices that they push addressing this issue is what ultimately defines the issue. Do democrats talk about paying everyone the same regardless of work? No they don’t. That’s a communist idea. Democrats want to alleviate poverty and strengthen the middle class. Neither one of those ideas involve ending the wealthy class.

What do the Democrats constantly cry about? Racism. It doesn't really exist in a systematical way, but they keep saying it does. It's clearly part of their agenda as well as the Communist party. During the Voter-ID debates all they talked about was this mythical oppression that never existed either.

Unions. Who is constantly talking about bringing back unions? What are most of our government employees? That's right, unionized. It's a shared agenda between the Democrat party and the Communist party.

The link is in post 63 which you obviously didn't read or you'd know that already.

 

[Billy000]

What do the Democrats constantly cry about? Racism. It doesn't really exist in a systematical way, but they keep saying it does. It's clearly part of their agenda as well as the Communist party. During the Voter-ID debates all they talked about was this mythical oppression that never existed either.

Unions. Who is constantly talking about bringing back unions? What are most of our government employees? That's right, unionized. It's a shared agenda between the Democrat party and the Communist party.

The link is in post 63 which you obviously didn't read or you'd know that already.

Lol dude just because you think systematic racism isn’t a thing, does not mean it is a communist idea. You can’t just call any concept you disagree with communism. It doesn’t work like that.

Real Communists do not even care about unions because in their world, there would be no need for them. Communists want everyone to be paid the same regardless of work. That idea has nothing to do with unions. It does not matter if this organization favors unions. That isn’t communism. This organization probably talk about unions because it’s the best they will ever get.

You seem to think any leftwing idea is communism and that is complete non sense. That view has nothing to do with actual political theory.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Lol dude just because you think systematic racism isn’t a thing, does not mean it is a communist idea. You can’t just call any concept you disagree with communism. It doesn’t work like that.

Real Communists do not even care about unions because in their world, there would be no need for them. Communists want everyone to be paid the same regardless of work. That idea has nothing to do with unions. It does not matter if this organization favors unions. That isn’t communism. This organization probably talk about unions because it’s the best they will ever get.

You seem to think any leftwing idea is communism and that is complete non sense. That view has nothing to do with actual political theory.

It's not about what I think, it's about evidence which I clearly presented. You can't get much more conformation than from the Communist website itself.

The problem with you leftists is that when you are in a discussion and somebody proves you're wrong, you just claim you're right. It doesn't matter how rock solid the evidence is, if you won't accept it, you just won't accept it. In your minds, you are always right and everybody else is always wrong if they disagree with you evidence be damned.

In this discussion, you are telling me that you know more about what communism is than the communists themselves. Do you see how ridiculous that is? It's like if you were Jewish and I'm not, me telling you what being Jewish is really like.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Commie Commie Commie Commie
Commie Chameleon.
You come and go
(Boy George)

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's not about what I think, it's about evidence which I clearly presented. You can't get much more conformation than from the Communist website itself.

The problem with you leftists is that when you are in a discussion and somebody proves you're wrong, you just claim you're right. It doesn't matter how rock solid the evidence is, if you won't accept it, you just won't accept it. In your minds, you are always right and everybody else is always wrong if they disagree with you evidence be damned.

In this discussion, you are telling me that you know more about what communism is than the communists themselves. Do you see how ridiculous that is? It's like if you were Jewish and I'm not, me telling you what being Jewish is really like.

May I add this:

How about you take a look at the aims of the Communist Party, USA, and the aims of the modern Democrat Party.



Watch, and note the consubstantial basis of both the aims of the Communist Party and the Democrat Party:

......it is ...extraordinary.....the correspondence between the aims of the communist party and the aims of the Democrats.....

1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

4. . Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.


11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce



Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?

I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals



You might take a look at this one, too.
10 planks of Communist manifesto
Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.



"Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street"
Obama Set To Propose Taxes On Capital Gains, Inheritance, And Wall Street - Shadowproof

And this:

"Government control of private sector activity...is aptly described as Bolshevik- or Marxist, socialist, collectivist, statist, or, for that matter, fascist, too.Indeed, nationalized health care was one of the first programs enacted by the Bolsheviks after they seized power in 1917(Banks, insurance companies and means of communications were also taken over by Soviet authorities immediately."
Dziewanowski, "A History of Soviet Russia," p. 107.


They didn't call it ObamaCare....




....we are now free of that inordinate fear of communism.... Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter: UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME - Address at Commencement Exercises at the University


President Barack Obama downplayed the differences between capitalism and communism, claiming that they are just “intellectual arguments.” He urged those at a town hall eventin Buenos Aires, Argentina on Wednesday to “just choose from what works.”
Obama Downplays Difference Between Capitalism, Communism [VIDEO]

 

[August West]

Liberal Democrat hippies protested the Vietnam War. Isn't that proof enough?

So did a lot of nuns and priests. Are they commies too?

 

[Billy000]

It's not about what I think, it's about evidence which I clearly presented. You can't get much more conformation than from the Communist website itself.

The problem with you leftists is that when you are in a discussion and somebody proves you're wrong, you just claim you're right. It doesn't matter how rock solid the evidence is, if you won't accept it, you just won't accept it. In your minds, you are always right and everybody else is always wrong if they disagree with you evidence be damned.

In this discussion, you are telling me that you know more about what communism is than the communists themselves. Do you see how ridiculous that is? It's like if you were Jewish and I'm not, me telling you what being Jewish is really like.

Dude your entire argument is that a communist organization supports the Democratic Party therefore the party is communist. It doesn’t work like that. The polices of the Democratic Party need to be communist in nature and they are not.
You think any leftwing idea is communist and that is fundamentally incorrect. You cant even find academic sources that back up your claim.

I think you know your argument is completely weak but you just want to argue and not admit you’re wrong.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Dude your entire argument is that a communist organization supports the Democratic Party therefore the party is communist. It doesn’t work like that. The polices of the Democratic Party need to be communist in nature and they are not.
You think any leftwing idea is communist and that is fundamentally incorrect. You cant even find academic sources that back up your claim.

I think you know your argument is completely weak but you just want to argue and not admit you’re wrong.

Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse."
Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.


Yup!
'Russia Uber Alles'

What nation did Roosevelt represent, again?​

And so it began.......

 

[lennypartiv]

So did a lot of nuns and priests. Are they commies too?

If they were Catholic, yes.

 

[lennypartiv]

Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse."​

Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.​

The Germans were capitalists and realized a system was needed to deal with low life freeloaders, but 'FDR would never give them any support.