Republicans seem sure that the Democratic Party is communist, but can never identify a specific policy as being communist

[Billy000]

Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse."​

Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.​

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Yup!​

'Russia Uber Alles'​

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What nation did Roosevelt represent, again?​

And so it began.......

So what is your point exactly?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Germans were capitalists and realized a system was needed to deal with low life freeloaders, but 'FDR would never give them any support.

No, the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party were not capitalists.

That the lie the Democrats offer to hide their similarity.



Watch:


Government spending as a percentage of GDP averaged around 40% pre-war. Additionally (at least in the beginning) 80% of the budget was spent on social programs, not the hallmark of an "evil, right wing, capitalist economy." Sign in



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Workers Welfare Programs:

In the best passage of Government largess, the Nazi regime fostered a purified liberal concept to enhance the living standard of German citizens across all segments of society. In order to stimulate the spirit of integrity, comradeship and happiness, Adolf Hitler fanned numerous programs and instituted strict rules for officials to carry them in eternal way.

a) Highly Subsidized International vacation trips.

b) Between 1933-1938 Strength through Joy (KDF) movement Organized 134,000 theater and concert events for 32 million people. 2 million people went on cruises and weekend trips and 11 million went on theater trips.

c) Nazis ensured that every citizen had a Radio.

d) 5 day week.

e) Free Public Health.

f) Trade Unions were banned. All workers had to join German labor Front. Strikes for higher wages were banned. People who refused to work were imprisoned. With fall in Inflation, purchasing power increased and wages actually fell.

g) Large factories had to provide rest areas, cafeterias, dressing rooms, even playing fields and swimming pools

h) They also banned "lock outs" for industries. No "reverse strikes"for them either.

Nazi Hitler Economic Social and Political Policies

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1933-1945: In 1933 Hitler disbands the labor movement and strips Jews of citizenship. Jews, dissidents, and other minorities are put in concentration camps, where they are forced to work or killed outright. The Reich centralizes social programs and education as a means of control. The regime extends health insurance to retirees in 1941, and expands health care and maternity leave the following year. Commanding Heights : Germany | on PBS



During the 12 years of Hitler’s Third Reich, the National Socialists expanded and extended the welfare state to the point where over 17 million German citizens were receiving assistance under the auspices of the National Socialist People's Welfare (NSV) by 1939, an agency that had projected a powerful image of caring and support. Welfare state - Wikipedia







The Nazi rule under Adolf Hitler in the 1930s and 1940s led to an improvement in medical care and old age provision largely financed by high taxes on the wealthy, and theft from Jews and the people of the conquered territories (Aly 2007, 7). The Viability of the European Social Model: The German Welfare State and Labor Market Reform











The Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt (NSV), meaning "National Socialist People's Welfare", was a social welfare organization during the Third Reich. The NSV was established in 1933,.... The NSV became established as the single Nazi Party welfare organ in May 1933.[1] .... the programme was massively expanded, so that the régime deemed it worthy to be called the "greatest social institution in the world." One method of expansion was to absorb, or in NSDAP parlance coordinate, already existing but non-Nazi charity organizations. NSV was the second largest Nazi group organization by 1939, second only to the German Labor Front.

The National Socialists provided a plethora of social welfare programs under the Nazi concept of Volksgemeinschaft which promoted the collectivity of a “people’s community” where citizens would sacrifice themselves for the greater good. The NSV operated “8,000 day-nurseries” by 1939, and funded holiday homes for mothers, distributed additional food for large families, and was involved with a “wide variety of other facilities.”[4]

The Nazi social welfare provisions included old age insurance, rent supplements, unemployment and disability benefits, old-age homes, interest-free loans for married couples, along with healthcare insurance, which was not decreed mandatory until 1941[5] One of the NSV branches, the Office of Institutional and Special Welfare, was responsible “for travellers’ aid at railway stations; relief for ex-convicts; ‘support’ for re-migrants from abroad; assistance for the physically disabled, hard-of-hearing, deaf, mute, and blind; relief for the elderly, homeless and alcoholics; and the fight against illicit drugs and epidemics.”

These social welfare programs represented a Hitlerian endeavor to lift the community above the individual while promoting the wellbeing of all bona fide citizens. As Hitler told a reporter in 1934, he was determined to give Germans “the highest possible standard of living.” National Socialist People's Welfare - Wikipedia

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Hitler’s Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State, by Götz Aly,

While underemphasized by modern historians, this socialism was stressed in many contemporaneous accounts of fascism, especially by libertarian thinkers. F.A. Hayek famously dedicated The Road to Serfdom to “the socialists of all parties”—that is, Labourites, Bolsheviks, and National Socialists.



Ludwig von Mises agreed, arguing in 1944 that “both Russia and Germany are right in calling their systems socialist.”

The Nazis themselves regarded the left-right convergence as integral to understanding fascism. Adolf Eichmann viewed National Socialism and communism as “quasi-siblings,” explaining in his memoirs that he “inclined towards the left and emphasized socialist aspects every bit as much as nationalist ones.” As late as 1944, Propaganda Minister Josef Goebbels publicly celebrated “our socialism,” reminding his war-weary subjects that Germany “alone [has] the best social welfare measures.” Contrast this, he advised, with the Jews, who were the very “incarnation of capitalism.”

Using a farrago of previously unpublished statistics, Aly describes in detail a social system larded with benefits —open only to Aryan comrades, naturally.

According to Götz Aly’s Hitler’s Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State, most previous treatments of German complicity in genocide overlook a significant aspect of Nazi rule. Aly, a historian at the Fritz Bauer Institut in Frankfurt and the author of more than a dozen books on fascism, urges us to follow the money, arguing that the Nazis maintained popular support—a necessary precondition for the “final solution”—not because of terror or ideological affinity but through a simple system of “plunder,” “bribery,” and a generous welfare state.

Hitler's Handouts

Inside the Nazis' welfare state

reason.com

To “achieve a truly socialist division of personal assets,” he writes, Hitler implemented a variety of interventionist economic policies, including price and rent controls, exorbitant corporate taxes, frequent “polemics against landlords,” subsidies to German farmers as protection “against the vagaries of weather and the world market,” and harsh taxes on capital gains, which Hitler himself had denounced as “effortless income.”

“The Nazi leadership did not transform the majority of Germans into ideological fanatics who were convinced that they were the master race,” Aly concludes. “Instead it succeeded in making them well-fed parasites.”

Hitler’s Beneficiaries demonstrates a correlation between moral collapse and government largess.

While Aly’s impressive economic history succeeds in reminding readers that Bolshevism and Nazism were, in the words of historian Richard Pipes, both “heresies of socialism,” that service is ultimately overshadowed by a needlessly radical conclusion." Hitler's Handouts

 

[PoliticalChic]

So what is your point exactly?

So what is your point exactly?

The Socialist Saint of the Democrats, FDR, brought his undying love of Stalin and all things Russian, to America.


The major player in the Alger Hiss saga was fellow Communist, Whitaker Chambers. In his book, Witness, Chambers explains is disillusionment as follows. In 1938, he determined not only to break with the Communist Party, but to inform on the Party when he could. The reason was that he was informed that Stalin was making efforts to align with Hitler, in 1939, and “from any human point of view, the pact was evil.” As Hitler marched into Poland, Chambers arranged a private meeting with Adolf Berle, President Roosevelt’s assistant Sec’y of State. Chambers detailed the Communist espionage network, naming at least two dozen Soviet spies in Roosevelt’s administration, including Alger Hiss. Berle reported this to Roosevelt, who laughed, and told Berle to go f--- himself. (Arthur Herman, Joseph McCarthy: Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator, p. 60)

No action was taken, and in fact, Roosevelt promoted Hiss. Almost a decade later, Chambers was called before the HUAC and named Hiss as a Soviet agent. Hiss sued Chambers, at which time Chambers presented “… four notes in Alger Hiss's handwriting, sixty-five typewritten copies of State Department documents and five strips of microfilm, some of which contained photographs of State Department documents. The press came to call these the "Pumpkin Papers"(Whittaker Chambers - Wikipedia) And, of course, all doubt was removed in 1995, when the Venona Soviet cables were decrypted.


Morons refuse to recognize what they have been tricked into supporting.......raise your paw.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Germans were capitalists and realized a system was needed to deal with low life freeloaders, but 'FDR would never give them any support.

Check out the links and sources, and you'll change your mind.

1. In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation.
   1. At the beginning of the same month, FDR was inaugurated as President. And before Congress went into recess it granted powers to Roosevelt unprecedented in peacetime. From Congressional hearings, 1973: “Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency.” http://www.freedomsite.net/93-549.htm
2. The National Socialists hailed these ‘relief measures’ in ways you will recognize:
   1. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”
   2. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’
   3. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”
   4. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”
3. In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.

 

[SeaMajor7]

We were warned about the creeping Marxism that was occurring throughout the 20th century....

 

[Billy000]

The Socialist Saint of the Democrats, FDR, brought his undying love of Stalin and all things Russian, to America.


The major player in the Alger Hiss saga was fellow Communist, Whitaker Chambers. In his book, Witness, Chambers explains is disillusionment as follows. In 1938, he determined not only to break with the Communist Party, but to inform on the Party when he could. The reason was that he was informed that Stalin was making efforts to align with Hitler, in 1939, and “from any human point of view, the pact was evil.” As Hitler marched into Poland, Chambers arranged a private meeting with Adolf Berle, President Roosevelt’s assistant Sec’y of State. Chambers detailed the Communist espionage network, naming at least two dozen Soviet spies in Roosevelt’s administration, including Alger Hiss. Berle reported this to Roosevelt, who laughed, and told Berle to go f--- himself. (Arthur Herman, Joseph McCarthy: Reexaming the Life and Legacy of America’s Most Hated Senator, p. 60)

No action was taken, and in fact, Roosevelt promoted Hiss. Almost a decade later, Chambers was called before the HUAC and named Hiss as a Soviet agent. Hiss sued Chambers, at which time Chambers presented “… four notes in Alger Hiss's handwriting, sixty-five typewritten copies of State Department documents and five strips of microfilm, some of which contained photographs of State Department documents. The press came to call these the "Pumpkin Papers"(Whittaker Chambers - Wikipedia) And, of course, all doubt was removed in 1995, when the Venona Soviet cables were decrypted.


Morons refuse to recognize what they have been tricked into supporting.......raise your paw.

You do know Roosevelt is now dead and irrelevant to current politics right?

 

[PoliticalChic]

You do know Roosevelt is now dead and irrelevant to current politics right?

This, the stupidest defense ever, can only be mouthed by a dunce who never read history or read anything.

Wallow in your ignorance.

 

[Billy000]

This, the stupidest defense ever, can only be mouthed by a dunce who never read history or read anything.

Wallow in your ignorance.

And yet you can’t explain why you believe that lol

 

[Vrenn]

Dude your entire argument is that a communist organization supports the Democratic Party therefore the party is communist. It doesn’t work like that. The polices of the Democratic Party need to be communist in nature and they are not.
You think any leftwing idea is communist and that is fundamentally incorrect. You cant even find academic sources that back up your claim.

I think you know your argument is completely weak but you just want to argue and not admit you’re wrong.

This idea was floated heavily in the 50s by the John Birch Society and it ended up ending a number of careers in Congress. Just not the ones they had in mind. "Have you no decency, Sir?

 

[Mr Natural]

Not being republican is the same as being a communist.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Dude your entire argument is that a communist organization supports the Democratic Party therefore the party is communist. It doesn’t work like that. The polices of the Democratic Party need to be communist in nature and they are not.
You think any leftwing idea is communist and that is fundamentally incorrect. You cant even find academic sources that back up your claim.

I think you know your argument is completely weak but you just want to argue and not admit you’re wrong.

It's you that refuse to believe you are wrong. I posted the agenda of the US Communist Party. Their agenda is nearly identical to the Democrat party. That's why they totally support them, their agenda, and their candidates.

Now what you are trying to convince people of is the Communists are not really Communists. Only you know what communism is, not actual communists themselves.

The state you are in is called denial. It's like if your friend is telling you your wife is sleeping around, provides pictures of her with other men, evidence she was not where she said she was, and you keep convincing yourself you have a faithful wife.

You can live in denial all you like, but facts can't be debated. Facts are facts.

 

[Billy000]

It's you that refuse to believe you are wrong. I posted the agenda of the US Communist Party. Their agenda is nearly identical to the Democrat party. That's why they totally support them, their agenda, and their candidates.

Now what you are trying to convince people of is the Communists are not really Communists. Only you know what communism is, not actual communists themselves.

The state you are in is called denial. It's like if your friend is telling you your wife is sleeping around, provides pictures of her with other men, evidence she was not where she said she was, and you keep convincing yourself you have a faithful wife.

You can live in denial all you like, but facts can't be debated. Facts are facts.

Lol if your assertion is that any leftwing polices are communist you are completely ignorant of the facts. You are just entertaining an emotional, pre-conceived notion you have and the cognitive dissonance of challenging this view is too painful so you double down on it.

Tell me, if I supported communism, why wouldn’t I just tell you that I did and defend my position of that?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Lol if your assertion is that any leftwing polices are communist you are completely ignorant of the facts. You are just entertaining an emotional, pre-conceived notion you have and the cognitive dissonance of challenging this view is too painful so you double down on it.

Tell me, if I supported communism, why wouldn’t I just tell you that I did and defend my position of that?

Because again, the word "communism" is taboo. It has so many negative connotations attached to it. It's why the Democrat party doesn't tell you what they actually are. I never said every single Democrat policy is communism, but most are due to the fact the actual communists support many of the very same things.

You see I'm not trying to beat you in a debate. I'm trying to open your eyes and anybody else reading your thread. It's something to seriously consider when you vote the next (and all future) elections.

The Communists of yesteryear stated they will take over the United States of America, but do so without one bullet being fired; they will takeover from within. My fear is that's what we are experiencing as we write: the manufacturing of victims, turning people against each other, making more people dependent on the federal government. The problem is that it's actually working and many don't even realize it.

 

[Billy000]

Because again, the word "communism" is taboo. It has so many negative connotations attached to it. It's why the Democrat party doesn't tell you what they actually are. I never said every single Democrat policy is communism, but most are due to the fact the actual communists support many of the very same things.

You see I'm not trying to beat you in a debate. I'm trying to open your eyes and anybody else reading your thread. It's something to seriously consider when you vote the next (and all future) elections.

The Communists of yesteryear stated they will take over the United States of America, but do so without one bullet being fired; they will takeover from within. My fear is that's what we are experiencing as we write: the manufacturing of victims, turning people against each other, making more people dependent on the federal government. The problem is that it's actually working and many don't even realize it.


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1/5 of all Americans huh? How is this defined exactly? Medicare or Medicaid? You going to include that? Old people and the disabled? Should we take those programs away from them? Does this figure include children? I’ll tell you right now a program such as SNAP by itself does not even come close to 1/5. The money spent on SNAP every year alone is a drop in the bucket to the overall amount spent on welfare.

Oh and none of the above is communism.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Republicans are closer to communism that democrats with their constant push for a corporatocracy run government.
A centralized government ran by corporations, under the guise of "capitalism".

U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower himself argued against the strengthening corporatocracy in the form of a military-industrial complex that sets national and international financial, economic, political and military policies due to a permanent war economy.

Republicans are on board with that.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

1/5 of all Americans huh? How is this defined exactly? Medicare or Medicaid? You going to include that? Old people and the disabled? Should we take those programs away from them? Does this figure include children? I’ll tell you right now a program such as SNAP by itself does not even come close to 1/5. The money spent on SNAP every year alone is a drop in the bucket to the overall amount spent on welfare.

Oh and none of the above is communism.

Dependency is one of the paths to communism. It's one in their bag of tricks. Why do you think one of the first things Dementia and the Congress did is pay people more money not to work than work? Why do you think he increased food stamps to the highest amount it's ever been increased since the program began? If you depend on government, you're more likely to vote Democrat, and that's one of the ways they are going to turn this country into a permanent single-party government.

My father voted Republican all of his life. When he became older and less capable of being able to work he switched to Democrat. The constant campaign messages "The Republicans want to take this away from you, the Republicans want to take that away from you" scared him to death. If everything else fell apart he was able to work and pull himself out of it. That's less possible when you get older, especially in his line of work as a bricklayer.

Biden child tax credit will push 1.5M workers from labor force: Study

A new study released on Friday shows Democrats' $3.5 trillion Build Back Better plan may not be as impactful on working families as the Biden administration claims.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[sartre play]

I don't give a rat's ass what name-calling goes on between the major parties.
We are at a point where those with means are taxed at much higher rates (progressive taxation) so those with needs can get free stuff (obamacare subsidies, school loan forgiveness, welfare in general).
One party wants to expand this marxism, the other wants to diminish it.
I'll go with the latter, even though it is only the lesser of the two evils.
Smaller government = increased freedom.

If only that were true.

 

[sartre play]

I don't want much of what either party is selling. long loud & rude. As old ABE said (a house divided can not stand)

 

[Orangecat]

If only that were true.

What do you find untrue in my post?

 

[krichton]

It definitely seems odd. I mean if you realize you can’t name a specific policy when asked, you think you would come to the realization it isn’t communist.

MTG offers no shortage of stupidity on the subject of course.

Marjorie Taylor Greene Says Top Democrats 'Swore' College Oath to Communism

"Democrats are actually communist," Greene said. "Every single elected Republican should say no to every single thing they want."

www.newsweek.com

Republicans don't have a single thought in their heads, that wasn't put there by some hyper-partisan hack or grifter online or on tv. This is why silly slogans, talking points and buzz words are so popular amongst them.