Restaurant die-off is first course of California’s $15 minimum wage

When are you going to back up your claim? You claimed Ford doubled wages more than once, I have asked for the time he did as you claimed for a second time and the reason he did so, all you have is fallacy, lies and avoidance.

Also no minimum wage in 1914, another lie the lefty needs to sell.
Henry Ford doubled the wages of Persons engaged in auto work, not general labor.

On Jan. 5, 1914, Henry Ford, head of the Ford Motor Company, introduced a minimum wage scale of $5 per day, more than doubling the wages for most employees.--https://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/jan-5-1914-henry-ford-implements-5-a-day-wage/

Nobody takes the right wing seriously, but for fun and practice.

Idiot! I never said he didn't double wages, you claimed he did it TWICE! Now either back up your claim or continue with your dishonesty and lies. The reason he doubled the wages was because he could not keep employees at the $2.38 a day he was pay. When you have 14,000 and a turnover rate of 54,000 a year your business is going to suffer.


Now please tell me when he double his workers rates a second time, like you claim he did. My bet is you can't because you lied.
He paid an efficiency wage to achieve gains from efficiency. It really is that simple. He had a Plan, Stan; y'all on the right wing don't.

That is why, your red herrings are irrelevant.

That isn't a response to my questions, you have deliberately avoided the question, why? It's because Ford only doubled the wage once, not twice or more like you claim. So, again, answer the question. Or is it to far over your head.

You need a basic understanding on business to make a business move. So far you have shown no knowledge of running a business. All you have is lies and diversions.
Yes, it is. You have nothing but fallacy; that is why you think the way you do; simply, erroneous.

He paid an efficiency wage to achieve gains from efficiency. It really is that simple. He had a Plan, Stan; y'all on the right wing don't.

So you admit to lying about doubling wages more than once? Because you can't link or quote where he did it twice. You have never ran a business and all you have is your experience as a temp because you can't get a job above minimum wage. Your inexperience and lack knowledge and understanding of a real business is very apparent and you are dishonest and a liar to try to make up for your lack of knowledge.
 
Restaurant die-off is first course of California’s $15 minimum wage

In a pair of affluent coastal California counties, the canary in the mineshaft has gotten splayed, spatchcocked and plated over a bed of unintended consequences, garnished with sprigs of locally sourced economic distortion and non-GMO, “What the heck were they thinking?”

The result of one early experiment in a citywide $15 minimum wage is an ominous sign for the state’s poorer inland counties as the statewide wage floor creeps toward the mark.

Consider San Francisco, an early adopter of the $15 wage. It’s now experiencing a restaurant die-off, minting jobless hash-slingers, cashiers, busboys, scullery engineers and line cooks as they get pink-slipped in increasing numbers. And the wage there hasn’t yet hit $15.

As the East Bay Times reported in January, at least 60 restaurants around the Bay Area had closed since September alone.

A recent study by Michael Luca at Harvard Business School and Dara Lee Luca at Mathematica Policy Research found that every $1 hike in the minimum wage brings a 14 percent increase in the likelihood of a 3.5-star restaurant on Yelp! closing.

Another telltale is San Diego, where voters approved increasing the city’s minimum wage to $11.50 per hour from $10.50, this after the minimum wage was increased from $8 an hour in 2015 – meaning hourly costs have risen 43 percent in two years.

The cost increases have pushed San Diego restaurants to the brink, Stephen Zolezzi, president of the Food and Beverage Association of San Diego County, told the San Diego Business Journal. Watch for the next mass die-off there...

Luckily, I live in the central coast area between L.A. and San Francisco, so this area hasn't gone as extreme left as those parts of California.
When somebody is working full time and not earning enough to live on, they get food stamps, EBT Card, subsidized housing or child care, and emergency medical care. Benefits vary depending on where they live. THE GOVERNMET has to make up the difference!!!
That means that the Taxpayer is subsidizing McDonalds!!! If a business can't pay a living wage, then it should not be in business. I am not going to buy a Burger out of a vending machine (Kiosk).
When I owned a bar in California, some bars tried using machine mixed cocktails. It was a complete failure. When it comes to food, people want personal service.
If government is going to pay people a decent living then why should a store pay more? With that level of governmental interference the market can't work properly. We used to get roommates and live within our means back when I was young.

And ordering a burger via kiosk isn't the same as getting hammered at a bar with a chatty bartender.
 
Yes, he did. You cannot claim that the minimum wage enacted by statute later on, was not lower than no minimum wage by statute but only by the market.

When did he double wages again? Name the year and the reason.
He doubled the going rate for autoworkers not minimum wage workers.

Since there was no minimum wage that was pretty easy, wasn't it? Did he every double wages again? Name the year and the reason he doubled the wage again. That is your claim, back it up or again, you are a liar. Which you seem to be very good at.
How about, extrapolation. The minimum wage was twenty-five cents in 1938. Are you claiming a market clearing minimum wage was higher, 1914?

Henry Ford doubled the wages of Persons engaged in auto work, not general labor.
You're not answering the question. Put the bong down.

The dishonest moron cannot answer any question, if he tries it shows everyone how stupid and dishonest he really is. He has nothing but lies and diversions.
 
Restaurant die-off is first course of California’s $15 minimum wage

In a pair of affluent coastal California counties, the canary in the mineshaft has gotten splayed, spatchcocked and plated over a bed of unintended consequences, garnished with sprigs of locally sourced economic distortion and non-GMO, “What the heck were they thinking?”

The result of one early experiment in a citywide $15 minimum wage is an ominous sign for the state’s poorer inland counties as the statewide wage floor creeps toward the mark.

Consider San Francisco, an early adopter of the $15 wage. It’s now experiencing a restaurant die-off, minting jobless hash-slingers, cashiers, busboys, scullery engineers and line cooks as they get pink-slipped in increasing numbers. And the wage there hasn’t yet hit $15.

As the East Bay Times reported in January, at least 60 restaurants around the Bay Area had closed since September alone.

A recent study by Michael Luca at Harvard Business School and Dara Lee Luca at Mathematica Policy Research found that every $1 hike in the minimum wage brings a 14 percent increase in the likelihood of a 3.5-star restaurant on Yelp! closing.

Another telltale is San Diego, where voters approved increasing the city’s minimum wage to $11.50 per hour from $10.50, this after the minimum wage was increased from $8 an hour in 2015 – meaning hourly costs have risen 43 percent in two years.

The cost increases have pushed San Diego restaurants to the brink, Stephen Zolezzi, president of the Food and Beverage Association of San Diego County, told the San Diego Business Journal. Watch for the next mass die-off there...

Luckily, I live in the central coast area between L.A. and San Francisco, so this area hasn't gone as extreme left as those parts of California.
When somebody is working full time and not earning enough to live on, they get food stamps, EBT Card, subsidized housing or child care, and emergency medical care. Benefits vary depending on where they live. THE GOVERNMET has to make up the difference!!!
That means that the Taxpayer is subsidizing McDonalds!!! If a business can't pay a living wage, then it should not be in business. I am not going to buy a Burger out of a vending machine (Kiosk).
When I owned a bar in California, some bars tried using machine mixed cocktails. It was a complete failure. When it comes to food, people want personal service.

People will buy food and eat it if it taste good, what you may or may not do is irrelevant. There are enough people that will eat fast food no matter how it is prepared. Go to one of those convenience stores and look at the crappy food they sell all day, over cooked, microwaved and just plain disgusting, however they are quite popular with many people.
 
I'd go to Subway if it was automated. I usually can't hear the snowflake behind the counter and don't like eating food that has set out for so long. Decent bread would help too though.
 
The law is employment at will; let's be Legal, to the law, right wingers.

The law is also, no UE benefits for quitters or never workers.
Which law? We have a Labor Code that says, employment is at-will, with no restrictions but for notice.

The law that says no UE benefits for you.
A Conflict of Laws, You Claim? Should we look up the "red tape" that covers, "conflicts of law"?

A Conflict of Laws,

It is?
Show me both, I'll be happy to point out your error.
California is an at-will employment State, it says so in the Labor Code at 2922.
 
This is a bit off the subject, but I advocate a 100% employment policy, even for the mentally challenged and disabled. Leave Capitalism do what it does best and provide good paying jobs.
Add to that FREE Community Colleges that teach a person how to run a business, or become a licensed professional.
And Lastly, when someone needs a meal or a place to stay, give him a box lunch, assign him to a labor crew, or public service project, and at the end of the day, pay him $30 cash and a housing voucher.
Even the bed ridden can do computer consulting, grade papers for teachers or do Customer Service for companies.
Schools, hospitals, clinics, new mothers, elderly shopping aid. There are so many things people with limited skills could be doing, and have pride in being a productive member of society and earning a PAYCHECK.
It may not be profitable, and all may not choose to participate, but all profits are not in cash!
 
You have to rebut it with a valid argument, not just your say so; because, You are not, Herr Say.

Henry Ford doubled the wages of Persons engaged in auto work, not general labor.

And you claim he did it twice and you won't back up your claim. You are dishonest and a liar.
Henry Ford doubled the wages of Persons engaged in auto work, not general labor.

On Jan. 5, 1914, Henry Ford, head of the Ford Motor Company, introduced a minimum wage scale of $5 per day, more than doubling the wages for most employees.--https://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/jan-5-1914-henry-ford-implements-5-a-day-wage/

You are right he did it once. But you have still yet to prove he did it twice, like you claimed earlier. So it is up to you to either put up or shut up. So far you aren't bright enough to do either.
Why is it relevant? You have, nothing but propaganda. Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages not minimum wages.

When did he double wages again? It is relevant because you brought it up as a counterpoint to my post. So I accept you are a liar.
He doubled autoworker wages not market clearing minimum wages, in 1914.
 
Henry Ford doubled the wages of Persons engaged in auto work, not general labor.

Nobody takes the right wing seriously, but for fun and practice.

Idiot! I never said he didn't double wages, you claimed he did it TWICE! Now either back up your claim or continue with your dishonesty and lies. The reason he doubled the wages was because he could not keep employees at the $2.38 a day he was pay. When you have 14,000 and a turnover rate of 54,000 a year your business is going to suffer.


Now please tell me when he double his workers rates a second time, like you claim he did. My bet is you can't because you lied.
He paid an efficiency wage to achieve gains from efficiency. It really is that simple. He had a Plan, Stan; y'all on the right wing don't.

That is why, your red herrings are irrelevant.

That isn't a response to my questions, you have deliberately avoided the question, why? It's because Ford only doubled the wage once, not twice or more like you claim. So, again, answer the question. Or is it to far over your head.

You need a basic understanding on business to make a business move. So far you have shown no knowledge of running a business. All you have is lies and diversions.
Yes, it is. You have nothing but fallacy; that is why you think the way you do; simply, erroneous.

He paid an efficiency wage to achieve gains from efficiency. It really is that simple. He had a Plan, Stan; y'all on the right wing don't.

So you admit to lying about doubling wages more than once? Because you can't link or quote where he did it twice. You have never ran a business and all you have is your experience as a temp because you can't get a job above minimum wage. Your inexperience and lack knowledge and understanding of a real business is very apparent and you are dishonest and a liar to try to make up for your lack of knowledge.
Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages. He did not double minimum wages of the time.
 
Idiot! I never said he didn't double wages, you claimed he did it TWICE! Now either back up your claim or continue with your dishonesty and lies. The reason he doubled the wages was because he could not keep employees at the $2.38 a day he was pay. When you have 14,000 and a turnover rate of 54,000 a year your business is going to suffer.


Now please tell me when he double his workers rates a second time, like you claim he did. My bet is you can't because you lied.
He paid an efficiency wage to achieve gains from efficiency. It really is that simple. He had a Plan, Stan; y'all on the right wing don't.

That is why, your red herrings are irrelevant.

That isn't a response to my questions, you have deliberately avoided the question, why? It's because Ford only doubled the wage once, not twice or more like you claim. So, again, answer the question. Or is it to far over your head.

You need a basic understanding on business to make a business move. So far you have shown no knowledge of running a business. All you have is lies and diversions.
Yes, it is. You have nothing but fallacy; that is why you think the way you do; simply, erroneous.

He paid an efficiency wage to achieve gains from efficiency. It really is that simple. He had a Plan, Stan; y'all on the right wing don't.

So you admit to lying about doubling wages more than once? Because you can't link or quote where he did it twice. You have never ran a business and all you have is your experience as a temp because you can't get a job above minimum wage. Your inexperience and lack knowledge and understanding of a real business is very apparent and you are dishonest and a liar to try to make up for your lack of knowledge.
Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages. He did not double minimum wages of the time.

I don't disagree with you on that point! Never had, I disagree with you claiming that Ford double wages more than once and you still have not proved he did. So please show us where he did so a second time.

Man you sure like to lie and distort. Very dishonest of you.
 
Restaurant die-off is first course of California’s $15 minimum wage

In a pair of affluent coastal California counties, the canary in the mineshaft has gotten splayed, spatchcocked and plated over a bed of unintended consequences, garnished with sprigs of locally sourced economic distortion and non-GMO, “What the heck were they thinking?”

The result of one early experiment in a citywide $15 minimum wage is an ominous sign for the state’s poorer inland counties as the statewide wage floor creeps toward the mark.

Consider San Francisco, an early adopter of the $15 wage. It’s now experiencing a restaurant die-off, minting jobless hash-slingers, cashiers, busboys, scullery engineers and line cooks as they get pink-slipped in increasing numbers. And the wage there hasn’t yet hit $15.

As the East Bay Times reported in January, at least 60 restaurants around the Bay Area had closed since September alone.

A recent study by Michael Luca at Harvard Business School and Dara Lee Luca at Mathematica Policy Research found that every $1 hike in the minimum wage brings a 14 percent increase in the likelihood of a 3.5-star restaurant on Yelp! closing.

Another telltale is San Diego, where voters approved increasing the city’s minimum wage to $11.50 per hour from $10.50, this after the minimum wage was increased from $8 an hour in 2015 – meaning hourly costs have risen 43 percent in two years.

The cost increases have pushed San Diego restaurants to the brink, Stephen Zolezzi, president of the Food and Beverage Association of San Diego County, told the San Diego Business Journal. Watch for the next mass die-off there...

Luckily, I live in the central coast area between L.A. and San Francisco, so this area hasn't gone as extreme left as those parts of California.
When somebody is working full time and not earning enough to live on, they get food stamps, EBT Card, subsidized housing or child care, and emergency medical care. Benefits vary depending on where they live. THE GOVERNMET has to make up the difference!!!
That means that the Taxpayer is subsidizing McDonalds!!! If a business can't pay a living wage, then it should not be in business. I am not going to buy a Burger out of a vending machine (Kiosk).
When I owned a bar in California, some bars tried using machine mixed cocktails. It was a complete failure. When it comes to food, people want personal service.

Pure crap.

If the government quit subsidizing this stuff, then the market would find a way to get them a living wage.
 
The law that says no UE benefits for you.
A Conflict of Laws, You Claim? Should we look up the "red tape" that covers, "conflicts of law"?

A Conflict of Laws,

It is?
Show me both, I'll be happy to point out your error.
California is an at-will employment State, it says so in the Labor Code at 2922.

Show me both, I'll be happy to point out your error.
There is no error, just conflict. California is an at-will employment State, it says so in the Labor Code at 2922.

There is no error, just conflict.


Post the text of both laws that you feel are in conflict.
I'll show you your error.
 
That isn't a response to my questions, you have deliberately avoided the question, why? It's because Ford only doubled the wage once, not twice or more like you claim. So, again, answer the question. Or is it to far over your head.

You need a basic understanding on business to make a business move. So far you have shown no knowledge of running a business. All you have is lies and diversions.
Yes, it is. You have nothing but fallacy; that is why you think the way you do; simply, erroneous.

He paid an efficiency wage to achieve gains from efficiency. It really is that simple. He had a Plan, Stan; y'all on the right wing don't.

So you admit to lying about doubling wages more than once? Because you can't link or quote where he did it twice. You have never ran a business and all you have is your experience as a temp because you can't get a job above minimum wage. Your inexperience and lack knowledge and understanding of a real business is very apparent and you are dishonest and a liar to try to make up for your lack of knowledge.
Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages. He did not double minimum wages of the time.

I don't disagree with you on that point! Never had, I disagree with you claiming that Ford double wages more than once and you still have not proved he did. So please show us where he did so a second time.

Man you sure like to lie and distort. Very dishonest of you.
You are the one with that red herring. I am not the one, making an issue of it.

You made the statement, can't you back up your lie?
 
So you admit to lying about doubling wages more than once? Because you can't link or quote where he did it twice. You have never ran a business and all you have is your experience as a temp because you can't get a job above minimum wage. Your inexperience and lack knowledge and understanding of a real business is very apparent and you are dishonest and a liar to try to make up for your lack of knowledge.
Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages. He did not double minimum wages of the time.

I don't disagree with you on that point! Never had, I disagree with you claiming that Ford double wages more than once and you still have not proved he did. So please show us where he did so a second time.

Man you sure like to lie and distort. Very dishonest of you.
You are the one with that red herring. I am not the one, making an issue of it.

You made the statement, can't you back up your lie?
You are the one fishing for red herrings. How is that relevant. I have an actual argument, not just red herrings.

Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages not market clearing minimum wages. Only lousy capitalists, complain about wages being too high.

And Ford NEVER did it again! Why didn't he? If it supposedly worked as well as you seem to believe, then why did he not do it again? That is why it is relevant, because your lie leads people to believe that it worked and he continued the practice.

He did it to save his company because workers would not stay. Your use of Ford proves that Ford responded to market forces no some minimum wage law. Companies will do the same today if you let them.
 
A Conflict of Laws,

It is?
Show me both, I'll be happy to point out your error.
California is an at-will employment State, it says so in the Labor Code at 2922.

Show me both, I'll be happy to point out your error.
There is no error, just conflict. California is an at-will employment State, it says so in the Labor Code at 2922.

There is no error, just conflict.


Post the text of both laws that you feel are in conflict.
I'll show you your error.
No, you won't. California is an at-will employment State. EDD must show for-cause employment to deny and disparage benefits.

Post the text, coward.
Your failure to do so is proof you know you lied.
 
I don't disagree with you on that point! Never had, I disagree with you claiming that Ford double wages more than once and you still have not proved he did. So please show us where he did so a second time.

Man you sure like to lie and distort. Very dishonest of you.
You are the one with that red herring. I am not the one, making an issue of it.

You made the statement, can't you back up your lie?
You are the one fishing for red herrings. How is that relevant. I have an actual argument, not just red herrings.

Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages not market clearing minimum wages. Only lousy capitalists, complain about wages being too high.

And Ford NEVER did it again! Why didn't he? If it supposedly worked as well as you seem to believe, then why did he not do it again? That is why it is relevant, because your lie leads people to believe that it worked and he continued the practice.

He did it to save his company because workers would not stay. Your use of Ford proves that Ford responded to market forces no some minimum wage law. Companies will do the same today if you let them.
It only works once. He needed a new, efficiency plan, Stan.

Then why did you claim he did it more than once? The market forces made Ford double the wages, the same would hold true today.
 
Show me both, I'll be happy to point out your error.
There is no error, just conflict. California is an at-will employment State, it says so in the Labor Code at 2922.

There is no error, just conflict.


Post the text of both laws that you feel are in conflict.
I'll show you your error.
No, you won't. California is an at-will employment State. EDD must show for-cause employment to deny and disparage benefits.

Post the text, coward.
Your failure to do so is proof you know you lied.
You post the text since you have such a good argument, slacker.

California is an at-will employment State. EDD must show for-cause employment to deny and disparage benefits.

California Labor Code 2922: An employment, having no specified term, may be terminated at the will of either party on notice to the other. Employment for a specified term means an employment for a period greater than one month.

You post the text since you have such a good argument

You made the argument that there is a conflict.
Now you won't post the text that would prove your claim.

An employment, having no specified term, may be terminated at the will of either party on notice to the other. Employment for a specified term means an employment for a period greater than one month.

Awesome! Now post the text of the law/regulation that is in conflict with this.

Or run away.....again. LOL!
 
There is no error, just conflict. California is an at-will employment State, it says so in the Labor Code at 2922.

There is no error, just conflict.


Post the text of both laws that you feel are in conflict.
I'll show you your error.
No, you won't. California is an at-will employment State. EDD must show for-cause employment to deny and disparage benefits.

Post the text, coward.
Your failure to do so is proof you know you lied.
You post the text since you have such a good argument, slacker.

California is an at-will employment State. EDD must show for-cause employment to deny and disparage benefits.

California Labor Code 2922: An employment, having no specified term, may be terminated at the will of either party on notice to the other. Employment for a specified term means an employment for a period greater than one month.

You post the text since you have such a good argument

You made the argument that there is a conflict.
Now you won't post the text that would prove your claim.

An employment, having no specified term, may be terminated at the will of either party on notice to the other. Employment for a specified term means an employment for a period greater than one month.

Awesome! Now post the text of the law/regulation that is in conflict with this.

Or run away.....again. LOL!
It is null and void, from Inception. Why should I post it.
 
You made the statement, can't you back up your lie?
You are the one fishing for red herrings. How is that relevant. I have an actual argument, not just red herrings.

Henry Ford doubled autoworker wages not market clearing minimum wages. Only lousy capitalists, complain about wages being too high.

And Ford NEVER did it again! Why didn't he? If it supposedly worked as well as you seem to believe, then why did he not do it again? That is why it is relevant, because your lie leads people to believe that it worked and he continued the practice.

He did it to save his company because workers would not stay. Your use of Ford proves that Ford responded to market forces no some minimum wage law. Companies will do the same today if you let them.
It only works once. He needed a new, efficiency plan, Stan.

Then why did you claim he did it more than once? The market forces made Ford double the wages, the same would hold true today.
It is your red herring, right winger; run with it. I am not claiming anything since it is irrelevant to My argument.

So it is irrelevant yet you saw a need to lie about it. Lol!

Market forces caused Ford to double the wages. He did it to keep the turnover rate lower. He made a business decision, just as today's businesses do. He didn't need a federal government or a union to dictate the wages. The market dictated the wages.
 
There is no error, just conflict. California is an at-will employment State, it says so in the Labor Code at 2922.

There is no error, just conflict.


Post the text of both laws that you feel are in conflict.
I'll show you your error.
No, you won't. California is an at-will employment State. EDD must show for-cause employment to deny and disparage benefits.

Post the text, coward.
Your failure to do so is proof you know you lied.
You post the text since you have such a good argument, slacker.

California is an at-will employment State. EDD must show for-cause employment to deny and disparage benefits.

California Labor Code 2922: An employment, having no specified term, may be terminated at the will of either party on notice to the other. Employment for a specified term means an employment for a period greater than one month.

You post the text since you have such a good argument

You made the argument that there is a conflict.
Now you won't post the text that would prove your claim.

An employment, having no specified term, may be terminated at the will of either party on notice to the other. Employment for a specified term means an employment for a period greater than one month.

Awesome! Now post the text of the law/regulation that is in conflict with this.

Or run away.....again. LOL!

You will never get the dishonest lefty to admit he lied or post he was wrong. Admitting he is wrong is not in his DNA, most lefties can't admit it, they just try to change the subject just as Danny boi does. Typical regressive; dishonest, intolerant and slimy.
 

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