Restaurants are adding labor surcharges to help offset minimum wage increases

[Iceweasel]

if one job won't pay your bills then work more than one job

no one has to take government handouts

30 million working Americans need some type of government assistance
There are not 30 million "other jobs" out there

here we go again

broken record

30 million "qualify" for government handouts

whether they "need " them or not is a different matter
and as I have said before one does not have to be hired by an employer to make extra money

I would hazard to guess that someone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year needs additional assistance
Just as there are not 30 million "other jobs" out there, there are not 30 million small business opportunities out there

First of all why is anyone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year? Having a family is a choice that you make. Having a family is expensive. If you're making minimum wage and you want to start a family...then you are one irresponsible person! You want a family? Improve your earning potential by learning new job skills to make more money. THEN you'll be able to afford to have a family!

Who said anything about raising a family. Try to survive yourself on 15-20K

Been there, done that. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I would suggest that if you only make 20K a year that you put off having a family until you can afford one

What if you used to make $40,000 and now are forced to accept a low paying job?
What if you were in the military when you formed your family and now find a weak employment market?

What do you do with your kids? Give them away?

you work 2 20K a year jobs

have your spouse get a job

move in with family

IOW you do whatever it takes

How do you better yourself working 80 hours a week?

you put in for promotions at the jobs you are working

and you still have 88 hours a week you're not working

some people do try to do things like eat and sleep with their free time

you can study and eat at the same time and people don't need as much sleep as you think

I got by on about 4 hours a day for a long time when I was struggling

 

[brummelben]

30 million working Americans need some type of government assistance
There are not 30 million "other jobs" out there

here we go again

broken record

30 million "qualify" for government handouts

whether they "need " them or not is a different matter
and as I have said before one does not have to be hired by an employer to make extra money

I would hazard to guess that someone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year needs additional assistance
Just as there are not 30 million "other jobs" out there, there are not 30 million small business opportunities out there

First of all why is anyone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year? Having a family is a choice that you make. Having a family is expensive. If you're making minimum wage and you want to start a family...then you are one irresponsible person! You want a family? Improve your earning potential by learning new job skills to make more money. THEN you'll be able to afford to have a family!

Who said anything about raising a family. Try to survive yourself on 15-20K

Why would I try to survive on that...when I can make much more by learning additional skills to make more? Minimum wage jobs are not what ANYONE should be locked into forever. They should be a stepping stone to better paying jobs.

There will always be people earning minimum wage jobs, unless you want to put the fast food industry out of business

 

[brummelben]

30 million working Americans need some type of government assistance
There are not 30 million "other jobs" out there

here we go again

broken record

30 million "qualify" for government handouts

whether they "need " them or not is a different matter
and as I have said before one does not have to be hired by an employer to make extra money

I would hazard to guess that someone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year needs additional assistance
Just as there are not 30 million "other jobs" out there, there are not 30 million small business opportunities out there

First of all why is anyone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year? Having a family is a choice that you make. Having a family is expensive. If you're making minimum wage and you want to start a family...then you are one irresponsible person! You want a family? Improve your earning potential by learning new job skills to make more money. THEN you'll be able to afford to have a family!

Who said anything about raising a family. Try to survive yourself on 15-20K

Been there, done that. You don't know what you're talking about.

how many years ago?

 

[Skull Pilot]

First of all why is anyone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year? Having a family is a choice that you make. Having a family is expensive. If you're making minimum wage and you want to start a family...then you are one irresponsible person! You want a family? Improve your earning potential by learning new job skills to make more money. THEN you'll be able to afford to have a family!

Who said anything about raising a family. Try to survive yourself on 15-20K

Right whiner did

try to keep up

try living just by yourself on 15-20K

I've done it.

have you?

30years ago? 40 years ago?

no. I'm not quite 50 so we're talking 15 years when I was in my 30s and starting my first business ( well really my second)

 

[Oldstyle]

It's a simple concept, Brummelben...show me a job that doesn't have a path to a higher paying more skilled job! They don't exist. There is always a step up. You just have to apply yourself to take that step. It requires extra effort...something that some people refuse to make.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Go to fast food restaurant chains now and take note of the "kiosks" that are being installed so that fewer workers will be behind the counter. Yes, wages will be higher for minimum wage jobs...but there will be far fewer of those jobs to be had.

Liberals were told that would be the result of imposing a much higher minimum wage but they did it anyways. Good luck finding entry level jobs for your kids now...you know...the ones that teach them to be responsible?

So your view of America is that we are doomed to become a low wage country with ongoing and increasing gaps between the rich and poor.

My view of America is that whenever government tries to impose artificially high wages all that results is higher prices for goods and services. Raise wages all you want but be intelligent enough to understand the results.

What would it be about?

Managed markets, government interference with free markets, etc. It hasn't shown to work in the past. There will always be unintended consequences. It is unavoidable.

The free market is an abomination. Laissez-faire capitalism caused the labor movement, caused the socialist movement.

Free markets are an abomination? Why? The communists tried to manage markets and failed with terrible results.

Whats free about a wage that you can't live on. Whats free about having to use government services to make ends meet. These corporations are paying as little as they can, knowing the US government will pick up the difference. That means its coming out of your pocket.

if one job won't pay your bills then work more than one job

no one has to take government handouts

Do you have any idea how many Americans are underemployed?

 

[Papageorgio]

adding surcharges of 3% to 4% to help offset rising labor costs...they call that "tips".....tips are often 15 to 20 percent

The tips don't go to the restaurant to offset rising labor costs. Most people would also tip, unless it is fast food, they usually are never tipped. I guess when you stand in line and your waitress/cashier takes three steps and fills your order, we don't tip that.

 

[rightwinger]

There are very, very, very few people who are legitimately trying to support themselves with a minimum-wage job in a restaurant. They are predominantly second-income, part time, or temporary positions. When I was making minimum wage (as a security guard) many years ago, I sought and received all of the overtime my tired body could handle, normally working 56-60 hours per week...and looking for a better job with all of my available time. I didn't make MW for very long.

Of course, the minimum wage itself is both stupid and immoral. By what moral authority does Government come in and tell any two people that they are not permitted to enter into an agreement that both of them find totally acceptable (i.e., working for $5/hr)? The very existence of MW laws lowers peoples' expectations of what they are "worth," often causing them to accept a wage that is practically unacceptable.

only about 3% of all positions are MW and that 3% includes service jobs where tips are also collected

So there would be minimal impact of raising that wage

 

[Papageorgio]

Not to worry, cellblock, you can always find work in your career as fast food server.

The fact of the matter remains that the customer will pay more in order to help the fast food server earn more.

Is that why we are currently in a restaurant recession?

We rarely dine out anymore and more and more of our friends are doing less dining out. Applebee's is closing several stores. Rising prices can have some bad results.

 

[rightwinger]

30 million working Americans need some type of government assistance
There are not 30 million "other jobs" out there

here we go again

broken record

30 million "qualify" for government handouts

whether they "need " them or not is a different matter
and as I have said before one does not have to be hired by an employer to make extra money

I would hazard to guess that someone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year needs additional assistance
Just as there are not 30 million "other jobs" out there, there are not 30 million small business opportunities out there

I would suggest that if you only make 20K a year that you put off having a family until you can afford one

Republican version of big government?

I wouldn't know I'm not a Republican

Who was the last Democrat you voted for?

 

[JoeNormal]

BUT BUT BUT Libtards laughed when Republicans said higher minimum wages will drive up food costs.

Restaurant diners are footing the bill for rising minimum wages.

In lieu of steep menu price increases, many independent and regional chain restaurants in states including Arizona, California, Colorado and New York are adding surcharges of 3% to 4% to help offset rising labor costs. Industry analysts expect the practice to become widespread as more cities and states increase minimum wages.

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“It’s the emerging new norm,” said Sharokina Shams, spokeswoman for the California Restaurant Association. She said California restaurants are adding surcharges as the state lifts the minimum wage every year until it reaches $15 an hour by 2023. It is currently at $10.50 an hour for employers with 26 or more workers.
Restaurants are adding labor surcharges to help offset minimum wage increases

OMG, 3 or 4 percent! That does it, I'm staying home.

 

[rightwinger]

Not all restaurants will be adding the surcharge. If you have that much of a problem with it, eat where it isn't imposed.

If you increase labor costs to restaurants of 40% then those costs WILL get passed along to the consumer. The profit margins for the restaurant industry are far too small to absorb such a massive hit.

But why are restaurants letting it get to that point in the first place? You put up prices to go in line with what is happening around you. You can't force your workers to live below the poverty line just so you can have great profits.

What "great profits" are you talking about? The profit margins in the restaurant industry are not large. I think you have a misconception about the industry as a whole.

Yet they are making that profit off of low wage earners who have had their wages frozen for eight years
Has the restaurant frozen its prices for eight years?
Have their executives had their wages frozen for eight years?

Restaurant prices rise as costs rise..usually with a lag in which the restaurant owner absorbs the additional costs until it becomes too high and forces a price increase.

Very true

But all other costs associated with running a restaurant have increased in the last eight years
Minimum wage has not

 

[brummelben]

here we go again

broken record

30 million "qualify" for government handouts

whether they "need " them or not is a different matter
and as I have said before one does not have to be hired by an employer to make extra money

I would hazard to guess that someone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year needs additional assistance
Just as there are not 30 million "other jobs" out there, there are not 30 million small business opportunities out there

I would suggest that if you only make 20K a year that you put off having a family until you can afford one

Republican version of big government?

I wouldn't know I'm not a Republican

Who was the last Democrat you voted for?

Nobody on this board is a republican. No one voted for Romney or McCain, and very soon no one will take credit for voting for Trump

 

[Iceweasel]

here we go again

broken record

30 million "qualify" for government handouts

whether they "need " them or not is a different matter
and as I have said before one does not have to be hired by an employer to make extra money

I would hazard to guess that someone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year needs additional assistance
Just as there are not 30 million "other jobs" out there, there are not 30 million small business opportunities out there

First of all why is anyone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year? Having a family is a choice that you make. Having a family is expensive. If you're making minimum wage and you want to start a family...then you are one irresponsible person! You want a family? Improve your earning potential by learning new job skills to make more money. THEN you'll be able to afford to have a family!

Who said anything about raising a family. Try to survive yourself on 15-20K

Been there, done that. You don't know what you're talking about.

how many years ago?

The equivalent. In the military I made $230 a month. And I lived off base, but I had two room mates. It's what people did in those days. Also worked numerous odd and end jobs at minimum wage, $2.30 hr. which is about $6 hr today. I never once thought society owed me more, I just made it work and kept at it.

 

[Iceweasel]

I would hazard to guess that someone trying to raise a family on $20,000 a year needs additional assistance
Just as there are not 30 million "other jobs" out there, there are not 30 million small business opportunities out there

I would suggest that if you only make 20K a year that you put off having a family until you can afford one

Republican version of big government?

I wouldn't know I'm not a Republican

Who was the last Democrat you voted for?

Nobody on this board is a republican. No one voted for Romney or McCain, and very soon no one will take credit for voting for Trump

There's no limit to your stupidity.

 

[Iceweasel]

There will always be people earning minimum wage jobs, unless you want to put the fast food industry out of business

I'm all for it. Make America healthy again.

 

[sealybobo]

But I see what you guys are doing. You didn't like those jobs paying TOO much. So lets say you sent $50 hr jobs overseas. The people you promised a better life will be happy if they come back at $25 hr because right now they're only making $10 at Walmart. You guys are brilliant! I get it now.

You don't know "what you guys think". You make up whatever fits your narrative. Conservatives think the free market decides pricing and wages best. Government imposition tries to artificially dictate economics expecting a trickle up effect. Add increasing regulations and you can kiss business goodbye, which we have been doing for a while now. No amount of negative consequences can deter the good liberal because you all make up the reality you want regardless of outcome.

That's just your bullshit right wing narrative. Sure "kiss business goodbye" when you let them move overseas. What you are doing is bending over and giving business all the tax breaks in the world. They pay no taxes. I know that is the ultimate goal. I'm ok with that. But if you think your taxes won't go up when their taxes go down, you need to take another accounting class my friend because your math doesn't add up. This is ultimately shifting the tax burden onto us. Or the debts going to double. Or both. Either way, you're insane.

A truly free market would open up the borders and let all the illegal cheap labor back in. If you are not for that then you are for a regulated market. You just don't know it.

Business did just fine for centuries paying taxes and following regulations (rules). Now we will try it your way. Can't wait to tell you I told you so when your way doesn't work. But even when it doesn't work you'll just blame Obama or Fanny Mack. LOL

 

[sealybobo]

there never has been much demand for degrees in stupid shit like women's studies

Then colleges should be sued for offering a useless degree.

No the idiots who waste their money on stupid worthless degrees should have either not gone to college or pursued a degree that would actually get them a job

Who are you to determine what college degrees are worthless and which are not?

/---- I was a recruiter for Fortune 50 companies in addition to my other duties. I help cull resumes, interview and hire reps. Those with Basket Weaving or other Lib Arts degrees were passed over. That's who I am.

Thats the beauty of a message board, you are free to bullshyte all you want

Whenever a USMB Republican tells me how successful they are I always tell them that they should vote GOP. That party is designed for the rich, powerful, successful job creators. But don't expect us laborers to vote GOP. They are not the party for us.

 

[Iceweasel]

But I see what you guys are doing. You didn't like those jobs paying TOO much. So lets say you sent $50 hr jobs overseas. The people you promised a better life will be happy if they come back at $25 hr because right now they're only making $10 at Walmart. You guys are brilliant! I get it now.

You don't know "what you guys think". You make up whatever fits your narrative. Conservatives think the free market decides pricing and wages best. Government imposition tries to artificially dictate economics expecting a trickle up effect. Add increasing regulations and you can kiss business goodbye, which we have been doing for a while now. No amount of negative consequences can deter the good liberal because you all make up the reality you want regardless of outcome.

That's just your bullshit right wing narrative. Sure "kiss business goodbye" when you let them move overseas. What you are doing is bending over and giving business all the tax breaks in the world. They pay no taxes. I know that is the ultimate goal. I'm ok with that. But if you think your taxes won't go up when their taxes go down, you need to take another accounting class my friend because your math doesn't add up. This is ultimately shifting the tax burden onto us. Or the debts going to double. Or both. Either way, you're insane.

A truly free market would open up the borders and let all the illegal cheap labor back in. If you are not for that then you are for a regulated market. You just don't know it.

Business did just fine for centuries paying taxes and following regulations (rules). Now we will try it your way. Can't wait to tell you I told you so when your way doesn't work. But even when it doesn't work you'll just blame Obama or Fanny Mack. LOL

Wrong on every point. It isn't a free market if trade is inequitable. We have the highest business tax in the world, the big boys can get around it and deal with all the legalities and regulations. You dismiss reality because you want to. Nor do you understand we are in a global market and not a post war America with little to no competition.