Ronald Reagan succinctly defined fascism and correctly said...

[bripat9643]

Fascist use hate and fear as political weapons......yea, that's the Dems

They are trying so hard to use the events in DC to whip up hatred and fear. Funny, that's exactly what the Nazis did with the Reichstag fire.

 

[surada]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

There is no "better," moron. Reagan was right. Fascism is a form of socialism. It's hard left. The fascists of the 20th century all supported government control of the economy. i.e., socialism. The fascists of the 21st century, Antifa, BLM and the Democrat party, all support socialism.

Sorry dude, fascism is a form of hard right aka far right.

Wrong.

LOLOLOL.. The first people Hitler put in Dachau were socialists. Go to school, nincompoop.

incorrect,,, he put communist in dachau,, hitler was a socialist

No Hitler arrested and killed socialists.

 

[OKTexas]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

Fascism is a left wing ideology.

They control the media and deplatform their opponents.

Sound familiar?

Nope.. Fascism is hard right. In Italy the conservatives embraced Fascism. In Germany Hitler embraced Fascism. He shut down MOST of the German newspapers and imprisoned of killed anyone with an education.. like clergy, professors, lawyers etc.

The previous leaders of fascist nations were:

• Adolf Hitler of Germany
• Benito Mussolini of Italy
• Fumimaro Konoye of Japan
• Engelbert Dollfuß of Austria
• Getúlio Vargas of Brazil
• Ante Pavelić of Croatia
• Pehr Evind Svinhufvud of Finland
• Philippe Pétain of France
• Ioannis Metaxas of Greece
• Ferenc Szálasi of Hungary

You see why Trump loves the uneducated?

Progressive Hitler deplatformed his opposition from the media? Why is that so familiar?

Hitler didn't want any voices that could call BS on his plans.

Kind of like the MSM not reporting on hunters cashing in on his dad. No need to shut down a media that is running interference for ya.

.

 

[progressive hunter]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

There is no "better," moron. Reagan was right. Fascism is a form of socialism. It's hard left. The fascists of the 20th century all supported government control of the economy. i.e., socialism. The fascists of the 21st century, Antifa, BLM and the Democrat party, all support socialism.

Sorry dude, fascism is a form of hard right aka far right.

Wrong.

LOLOLOL.. The first people Hitler put in Dachau were socialists. Go to school, nincompoop.

incorrect,,, he put communist in dachau,, hitler was a socialist

No Hitler arrested and killed socialists.

those were communist,, and he was a socialist,,,
NATIONAL SOCIALIST

 

[bripat9643]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

There is no "better," moron. Reagan was right. Fascism is a form of socialism. It's hard left. The fascists of the 20th century all supported government control of the economy. i.e., socialism. The fascists of the 21st century, Antifa, BLM and the Democrat party, all support socialism.

Sorry dude, fascism is a form of hard right aka far right.

Wrong.

LOLOLOL.. The first people Hitler put in Dachau were socialists. Go to school, nincompoop.

incorrect,,, he put communist in dachau,, hitler was a socialist

No Hitler arrested and killed socialists.

I've already demonstrated that your argument is pure horseshit.

 

[bripat9643]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

Fascism is a left wing ideology.

They control the media and deplatform their opponents.

Sound familiar?

Nope.. Fascism is hard right. In Italy the conservatives embraced Fascism. In Germany Hitler embraced Fascism. He shut down MOST of the German newspapers and imprisoned of killed anyone with an education.. like clergy, professors, lawyers etc.

The previous leaders of fascist nations were:

• Adolf Hitler of Germany
• Benito Mussolini of Italy
• Fumimaro Konoye of Japan
• Engelbert Dollfuß of Austria
• Getúlio Vargas of Brazil
• Ante Pavelić of Croatia
• Pehr Evind Svinhufvud of Finland
• Philippe Pétain of France
• Ioannis Metaxas of Greece
• Ferenc Szálasi of Hungary

You see why Trump loves the uneducated?

Progressive Hitler deplatformed his opposition from the media? Why is that so familiar?

Hitler didn't want any voices that could call BS on his plans.

Kind of like the MSM not reporting on hunters cashing in on his dad. No need to shut down a media that is running interference for ya.

.

Hunter sold his father's office to the highest bidder, and Biden got a cut.

 

[surada]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

Fascism is a left wing ideology.

They control the media and deplatform their opponents.

Sound familiar?

Nope.. Fascism is hard right. In Italy the conservatives embraced Fascism. In Germany Hitler embraced Fascism. He shut down MOST of the German newspapers and imprisoned of killed anyone with an education.. like clergy, professors, lawyers etc.

The previous leaders of fascist nations were:

• Adolf Hitler of Germany
• Benito Mussolini of Italy
• Fumimaro Konoye of Japan
• Engelbert Dollfuß of Austria
• Getúlio Vargas of Brazil
• Ante Pavelić of Croatia
• Pehr Evind Svinhufvud of Finland
• Philippe Pétain of France
• Ioannis Metaxas of Greece
• Ferenc Szálasi of Hungary

You see why Trump loves the uneducated?

Progressive Hitler deplatformed his opposition from the media? Why is that so familiar?

Hitler didn't want any voices that could call BS on his plans.

Kind of like the MSM not reporting on hunters cashing in on his dad. No need to shut down a media that is running interference for ya.

.

Hunter sold his father's office to the highest bidder, and Biden got a cut.

Don't be so ignorant, Hunter bought 10% share of an international equity firm in 2017.

 

[busybee01]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Ronald Reagan would never be a part of the Trumnp Republican Party. He would agree that the far right Trump supporters and Trump himself are fascists.

when was the last time you saw this in a fascist state?

That is a tribute to the system we have in this country in spite of Trump. Trump has demanded that phony charges be filed against his political opponents. The system does not allow t5hat to happen. Even Barr couold not justify that.

 

[progressive hunter]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

Fascism is a left wing ideology.

They control the media and deplatform their opponents.

Sound familiar?

Nope.. Fascism is hard right. In Italy the conservatives embraced Fascism. In Germany Hitler embraced Fascism. He shut down MOST of the German newspapers and imprisoned of killed anyone with an education.. like clergy, professors, lawyers etc.

The previous leaders of fascist nations were:

• Adolf Hitler of Germany
• Benito Mussolini of Italy
• Fumimaro Konoye of Japan
• Engelbert Dollfuß of Austria
• Getúlio Vargas of Brazil
• Ante Pavelić of Croatia
• Pehr Evind Svinhufvud of Finland
• Philippe Pétain of France
• Ioannis Metaxas of Greece
• Ferenc Szálasi of Hungary

You see why Trump loves the uneducated?

Progressive Hitler deplatformed his opposition from the media? Why is that so familiar?

Hitler didn't want any voices that could call BS on his plans.

Kind of like the MSM not reporting on hunters cashing in on his dad. No need to shut down a media that is running interference for ya.

.

Hunter sold his father's office to the highest bidder, and Biden got a cut.

Don't be so ignorant, Hunter bought 10% share of an international equity firm in 2017.

THAT WAS OWNED BY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT,,,

 

[surada]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

There is no "better," moron. Reagan was right. Fascism is a form of socialism. It's hard left. The fascists of the 20th century all supported government control of the economy. i.e., socialism. The fascists of the 21st century, Antifa, BLM and the Democrat party, all support socialism.

Sorry dude, fascism is a form of hard right aka far right.

Wrong.

LOLOLOL.. The first people Hitler put in Dachau were socialists. Go to school, nincompoop.

incorrect,,, he put communist in dachau,, hitler was a socialist

No Hitler arrested and killed socialists.

those were communist,, and he was a socialist,,,
NATIONAL SOCIALIST

National Socialist was part of the name, but Hitler was a Fascist who put socialists and communists in prison.. He never nationalized any German companies.

 

[progressive hunter]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

There is no "better," moron. Reagan was right. Fascism is a form of socialism. It's hard left. The fascists of the 20th century all supported government control of the economy. i.e., socialism. The fascists of the 21st century, Antifa, BLM and the Democrat party, all support socialism.

Sorry dude, fascism is a form of hard right aka far right.

Wrong.

LOLOLOL.. The first people Hitler put in Dachau were socialists. Go to school, nincompoop.

incorrect,,, he put communist in dachau,, hitler was a socialist

No Hitler arrested and killed socialists.

those were communist,, and he was a socialist,,,
NATIONAL SOCIALIST

National Socialist was part of the name, but Hitler was a Fascist who put socialists and communists in prison.. He never nationalized any German companies.

nationalizing companies is a communist thing not a fascist,,,

a fascist allows property rights a communist doesnt,,,
both are socialist,,

 

[surada]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

Fascists of the 20th century practiced what the modern American left supports.

Did you know that FDR and many other leftists admired Benito Mussolini? I bet you didn't know that. Fascism is total government control of EVERY facet of society. That's not right-wing ideology my friend.

(17) Charlottesville Nazis Chant 'Jews Will Not Replace Us' Through Streets of #CVille 8/12/17 - YouTube
These guys aren't voting for Biden. The reason I know this is because they carry Confederate flags and fight against Antifa.

The Daily Stormer Endorses Donald Trump for President – Daily Stormer
These guys are.

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These people did.

I don't need to make claims about what FDR thought about Mussolini. I can SHOW you, those that proudly identify with Nazism are invariably Trump supporters.

According to your logic, you're a Commie and a terrorist. In fact, that's exactly what you are:

Communists approve Joe Biden for president

Bob Avakian, chairman of the Revolutionary Communist Party USA (RCPUSA), has endorsed Joe Biden for president.

www.washingtontimes.com

Communists At Home And Abroad All Want Joe Biden To Win

Senate Investigation Finds Obama Admin Knowingly Funded al-Qaeda Affiliate

Senate Investigation Finds Obama Admin Knowingly Funded al-Qaeda Affiliate

The US recruited and funded the forerunner of Al Qaeda long before Obama was out of knee pants to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.. Just how stupid are you people?

Wrong.

We did not train, fund, or materielize a young Osama bin laden. - Reader comments for The Investigative Project on Terrorism

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"Osama bin Laden explained the origin of the term in a videotaped interview with Al Jazeera (journalist) Tayseer Alouni in October 2001: "The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda. The name stayed."​

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"A variety of sources — CNN journalist Peter Bergen, Pakistani ISI Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf, and CIA operatives involved in the Afghan program, such as Vincent Cannistraro — deny that the CIA or other American officials had contact with the Afghan Arabs (foreign mujahideen) or Bin Laden, let alone armed, trained, coached or indoctrinated them."​

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"But Bergen and others argue that there was no need to recruit foreigners unfamiliar with the local language, customs or lay of the land since there were a quarter of a million local Afghans willing to fight; that Arab Afghans themselves had no need for American funds since they received several hundred million dollars a year from non-American, Muslim sources; that Americans could not have trained mujahideen because Pakistani officials would not allow more than a handful of them to operate in Pakistan and none in Afghanistan; and that the Afghan Arabs were almost invariably militant Islamists reflexively hostile to Westerners whether or not the Westerners were helping the Muslim Afghans."​

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"According to Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997, the idea that "the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden ... a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. ... Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. ... The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him."​

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Osama was of the ARAB-Afghans. ie. Of the foreign Arabs who showed up in Afghan to help out the local Muslim Afghans fighting against the USSR. This conflict is not over either. It now continues in Chechnya for offensive jihad-build-up purposes.​

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No​

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No the CIA did not finance, train, or create UBL/Al-qaeda. This is a moonbat myth told by many troofers. Mr.Quevedo is really trying hard to protect his sham of a religion. It's ok I've heard it all the excuses from islamic-apologists before.​

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Links to educate yourself.​

http://www.911myths.com/html/bin_ladin_links_to_t...​

Al-Qaeda - Wikipedia​

Al-Qaeda - Wikipedia...​

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Good book on this subject: Disinformation : 22 Media Myths That Undermine the War on Terror​

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"Osama bin Laden explained the origin of the term in a videotaped interview with Al Jazeera (journalist) Tayseer Alouni in October 2001: "The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda. The name stayed."​

​

"A variety of sources — CNN journalist Peter Bergen, Pakistani ISI Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf, and CIA operatives involved in the Afghan program, such as Vincent Cannistraro — deny that the CIA or other American officials had contact with the Afghan Arabs (foreign mujahideen) or Bin Laden, let alone armed, trained, coached or indoctrinated them."​

​

"But Bergen and others argue that there was no need to recruit foreigners unfamiliar with the local language, customs or lay of the land since there were a quarter of a million local Afghans willing to fight; that Arab Afghans themselves had no need for American funds since they received several hundred million dollars a year from non-American, Muslim sources; that Americans could not have trained mujahideen because Pakistani officials would not allow more than a handful of them to operate in Pakistan and none in Afghanistan; and that the Afghan Arabs were almost invariably militant Islamists reflexively hostile to Westerners whether or not the Westerners were helping the Muslim Afghans."​

​

"According to Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997, the idea that "the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden ... a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. ... Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. ... The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him."​

​

Osama was of the ARAB-Afghans. ie. Of the foreign Arabs who showed up in Afghan to help out the local Muslim Afghans fighting against the USSR. This conflict is not over either. It now continues in Chechnya for offensive jihad-build-up purposes.​

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The CIA was recruiting fighters in Yemen. My classmate was with the French embassy there for 20 yers. ..and the Saudis were sending fighters.. The US was funding the base thru the Saudis so they could do plausible deniability ...

The US knew exactly who OBL was in 1979.. and considered him a huge asset in fighting the Soviets. He was like the poster boy for getting other Arabs to go to Afghanistan to fight. He also had heavy equipment to take with him.. OBL was heavily into the teachings of Hassan al Banna and Sayyid Quṭb so he was out of step in Arabia anyway.

In other words, the United States was funding nothing and training no one. You just admitted that the Saudis were doing it.

How could anyone know in 1979 that Al Queda was going to bomb the World Trade Center when the name didn't even exist then?

You're a fucking moron

The US was giving the Saudis money and weapons for AQ because it was aa US proxy war against the Soviets.

 

[busybee01]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Ronald Reagan would never be a part of the Trumnp Republican Party. He would agree that the far right Trump supporters and Trump himself are fascists.

No he wouldn't.

You're an imbecile.

You are the imbecile. When Ronald Reagan was President he kept his distance from Trump despite the fact that his aides were encouraging him to establish a relationship with Trump. Ronald Reagan was a great judge of character.

 

[bripat9643]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

Fascism is a left wing ideology.

They control the media and deplatform their opponents.

Sound familiar?

Nope.. Fascism is hard right. In Italy the conservatives embraced Fascism. In Germany Hitler embraced Fascism. He shut down MOST of the German newspapers and imprisoned of killed anyone with an education.. like clergy, professors, lawyers etc.

The previous leaders of fascist nations were:

• Adolf Hitler of Germany
• Benito Mussolini of Italy
• Fumimaro Konoye of Japan
• Engelbert Dollfuß of Austria
• Getúlio Vargas of Brazil
• Ante Pavelić of Croatia
• Pehr Evind Svinhufvud of Finland
• Philippe Pétain of France
• Ioannis Metaxas of Greece
• Ferenc Szálasi of Hungary

You see why Trump loves the uneducated?

Progressive Hitler deplatformed his opposition from the media? Why is that so familiar?

Hitler didn't want any voices that could call BS on his plans.

Kind of like the MSM not reporting on hunters cashing in on his dad. No need to shut down a media that is running interference for ya.

.

Hunter sold his father's office to the highest bidder, and Biden got a cut.

Don't be so ignorant, Hunter bought 10% share of an international equity firm in 2017.

ROFL! You're defending that pedophile crack addict? Really?

 

[surada]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Ronald Reagan would never be a part of the Trumnp Republican Party. He would agree that the far right Trump supporters and Trump himself are fascists.

No he wouldn't.

You're an imbecile.

You are the imbecile. When Ronald Reagan was President he kept his distance from Trump despite the fact that his aides were encouraging him to establish a relationship with Trump. Ronald Reagan was a great judge of character.

Everybody knew what TRump was..

 

[busybee01]

Fascist use hate and fear as political weapons......yea, that's the Dems

They are trying so hard to use the events in DC to whip up hatred and fear. Funny, that's exactly what the Nazis did with the Reichstag fire.

Americans get it even if you are too blind to see it.

 

[busybee01]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

Fascism is a left wing ideology.

They control the media and deplatform their opponents.

Sound familiar?

Nope.. Fascism is hard right. In Italy the conservatives embraced Fascism. In Germany Hitler embraced Fascism. He shut down MOST of the German newspapers and imprisoned of killed anyone with an education.. like clergy, professors, lawyers etc.

The previous leaders of fascist nations were:

• Adolf Hitler of Germany
• Benito Mussolini of Italy
• Fumimaro Konoye of Japan
• Engelbert Dollfuß of Austria
• Getúlio Vargas of Brazil
• Ante Pavelić of Croatia
• Pehr Evind Svinhufvud of Finland
• Philippe Pétain of France
• Ioannis Metaxas of Greece
• Ferenc Szálasi of Hungary

You see why Trump loves the uneducated?

Progressive Hitler deplatformed his opposition from the media? Why is that so familiar?

Hitler didn't want any voices that could call BS on his plans.

Kind of like the MSM not reporting on hunters cashing in on his dad. No need to shut down a media that is running interference for ya.

.

Hunter sold his father's office to the highest bidder, and Biden got a cut.

Untrue. Biden has released his tax returns so we can see where his income came from. There is no evidence of that.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

Fascism is a left wing ideology.

They control the media and deplatform their opponents.

Sound familiar?

Nope.. Fascism is hard right. In Italy the conservatives embraced Fascism. In Germany Hitler embraced Fascism. He shut down MOST of the German newspapers and imprisoned of killed anyone with an education.. like clergy, professors, lawyers etc.

The previous leaders of fascist nations were:

• Adolf Hitler of Germany
• Benito Mussolini of Italy
• Fumimaro Konoye of Japan
• Engelbert Dollfuß of Austria
• Getúlio Vargas of Brazil
• Ante Pavelić of Croatia
• Pehr Evind Svinhufvud of Finland
• Philippe Pétain of France
• Ioannis Metaxas of Greece
• Ferenc Szálasi of Hungary

You see why Trump loves the uneducated?

Progressive Hitler deplatformed his opposition from the media? Why is that so familiar?

Hitler didn't want any voices that could call BS on his plans.

Kind of like the MSM not reporting on hunters cashing in on his dad. No need to shut down a media that is running interference for ya.

.

Hunter sold his father's office to the highest bidder, and Biden got a cut.

Untrue. Biden has released his tax returns so we can see where his income came from. There is no evidence of that.

Biden's Tax Return was Made in China

 

[bripat9643]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

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Ronald Reagan would never be a part of the Trumnp Republican Party. He would agree that the far right Trump supporters and Trump himself are fascists.

No he wouldn't.

You're an imbecile.

You are the imbecile. When Ronald Reagan was President he kept his distance from Trump despite the fact that his aides were encouraging him to establish a relationship with Trump. Ronald Reagan was a great judge of character.

You all claim to admire Reagan 20 years after his death.

Have you got any evidence to support the the idiocy you posted? It's obviously one of those lies that SJW's whip out when they have no facts to support their claims.

Trump was in 30s during the Reagan administration.

 

[surada]

...that if it ever came to America it would come in the name of liberalism.

Amen.

TikTok

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Reagan didn't know any better.. Fascism is hard right, racist and nationalistic. Look at the Fascists of the 20th century.

Fascism is a left wing ideology.

They control the media and deplatform their opponents.

Sound familiar?

Nope.. Fascism is hard right. In Italy the conservatives embraced Fascism. In Germany Hitler embraced Fascism. He shut down MOST of the German newspapers and imprisoned of killed anyone with an education.. like clergy, professors, lawyers etc.

The previous leaders of fascist nations were:

• Adolf Hitler of Germany
• Benito Mussolini of Italy
• Fumimaro Konoye of Japan
• Engelbert Dollfuß of Austria
• Getúlio Vargas of Brazil
• Ante Pavelić of Croatia
• Pehr Evind Svinhufvud of Finland
• Philippe Pétain of France
• Ioannis Metaxas of Greece
• Ferenc Szálasi of Hungary

You see why Trump loves the uneducated?

Progressive Hitler deplatformed his opposition from the media? Why is that so familiar?

Hitler didn't want any voices that could call BS on his plans.

Kind of like the MSM not reporting on hunters cashing in on his dad. No need to shut down a media that is running interference for ya.

.

Hunter sold his father's office to the highest bidder, and Biden got a cut.

Untrue. Biden has released his tax returns so we can see where his income came from. There is no evidence of that.

Biden's Tax Return was Made in China

Why on earth do you tell such stupid lies. Its unAmerican to do that.. not to mention shameful.