Rubio Bill Lets ANY Employer Deny Birth Control Coverage

[JakeStarkey]

FA_Q2: "Bullshit. Government mandating what is and is not covered is big government statist bullshit. His proposal - giving the choices BACK to the consumer is the EXACT opposite. What in the hell makes you think that giving the choice to the consumer is big government and somehow mandating those converges through government is small government."

Read correctly so you don't look ignorant as above.

Rubio is using big government political processes: that is statist and progressive right wing political engineering. And (what I wrote earlier) mandating coverages is ALSO statist and progressive (left wing) political engineering.

 

[del]

This is yet another example of how vicious right-wingers can be:

CPAC: Cal Thomas Says Rachel Maddow The 'Best Argument' For Contraception (VIDEO)

Cal Thomas Says Rachel Maddow Is Good Argument For Contraception - YouTube

yeah, no one on the left ever says anything stupid

 

[jillian]

This is yet another example of how vicious right-wingers can be:

CPAC: Cal Thomas Says Rachel Maddow The 'Best Argument' For Contraception (VIDEO)

Cal Thomas Says Rachel Maddow Is Good Argument For Contraception - YouTube

yeah, no one on the left ever says anything stupid

except they mean this stuff.

when coultergeist was at CPAC she said she wished john edwards was killed in a terrorist attack.

and, to be fair, if anyone on the left said something like that, the usual suspects would have already posted twenty threads about it and attributed the statements to every single person to the left of atilla the hun.

 

[Stephanie]

so now we are suppose to CARE what Ann Coulter says? what the hell does that have to do with this thread?

 

[Skull Pilot]

By Sahil Kapur

Legislation introduced by Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) to reverse the Obama administration’s birth control rule would effectively permit any employer to deny contraception coverage in their employee health plans, critics note.

“Any employer could deny birth control coverage under Rubio’s bill and all the employer would have to do is say it’s for a religious reason,” said Jessica Arons, Director of the Women’s Health and Rights Program at the liberal Center for American Progress. “There is no test to prove eligibility. It’s a loophole you could drive a truck through.”

The Rubio bill, The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, comes in response to a Catholic firestorm over the fact that the administration’s exemption on its birth control rule does not include religious hospitals and universities along with churches. But this bill appears to go far beyond that, permitting any employer to claim the religious exemption without a criteria.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) told reporters Thursday the measure would grant the exemption to “not just Catholic employers — to all employers.”

Rubio’s spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

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So what. No one is forcing people to work for an employer.

You moonbats use the same argument about forced union participation don't you?

If you want your employer to cover birth control then go work for an employer who does.

Simple right?

 

[AVG-JOE]

I'm not going to go through 12 pages of bullshit to say this... You people who want others to pay for your idiotic, uncontrollable, hormonic urges can crawl up my leg and have a ball!!

Nobody asked you to spread your legs like a $3 buffet, and nobody wants to deal with the gaseous result of your stupidity.

Fucking GOD DAMNED parasites, you sick FUCKS!!

Are you being sarcastic or are you really that clueless as to how the whole thing works?

You do realize this has NOTHING to do with taxpayer funded Medicaid, eh?

 

[Fang]

By Sahil Kapur

Legislation introduced by Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) to reverse the Obama administration’s birth control rule would effectively permit any employer to deny contraception coverage in their employee health plans, critics note.

“Any employer could deny birth control coverage under Rubio’s bill and all the employer would have to do is say it’s for a religious reason,” said Jessica Arons, Director of the Women’s Health and Rights Program at the liberal Center for American Progress. “There is no test to prove eligibility. It’s a loophole you could drive a truck through.”

The Rubio bill, The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, comes in response to a Catholic firestorm over the fact that the administration’s exemption on its birth control rule does not include religious hospitals and universities along with churches. But this bill appears to go far beyond that, permitting any employer to claim the religious exemption without a criteria.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) told reporters Thursday the measure would grant the exemption to “not just Catholic employers — to all employers.”

Rubio’s spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

More: Rubio Bill Lets ANY Employer Deny Birth Control Coverage | TPMDC

Excellent.

 

[Full-Auto]

Polls prove that it's only the religious radicals keeping this issue alive:

More Catholics support contraception coverage than other Americans | The Raw Story

Polls: Catholics support Obama on birth control debate | StarTribune.com

Survey: Majority of Catholics support including birth control in health care plans | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

New surveys: Catholics want birth control coverage

This is classic GOP playbook. Remember before the 2008 election they tried to make an issue of that little country next to Russia. Georgia?

They are going to be making a big deal out of everything until the elections. Most of it will be petty and blown out of perportion.

Exactly! So, now that Obama is turning around the Great Bush Recession, all they have to whine about is crazy religious bullshit and trying to restrict female reproductive rights. I suspect they'll also try to keep the "birther" issue alive. Righties are sooo special...

Dont be a fucking tool. Why are you so set in your entitlement mindset?

Where do you intend on controlling costs?

You are a freaking disgrace to native americans.

 

[AVG-JOE]

By Sahil Kapur

Legislation introduced by Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) to reverse the Obama administration’s birth control rule would effectively permit any employer to deny contraception coverage in their employee health plans, critics note.

“Any employer could deny birth control coverage under Rubio’s bill and all the employer would have to do is say it’s for a religious reason,” said Jessica Arons, Director of the Women’s Health and Rights Program at the liberal Center for American Progress. “There is no test to prove eligibility. It’s a loophole you could drive a truck through.”

The Rubio bill, The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, comes in response to a Catholic firestorm over the fact that the administration’s exemption on its birth control rule does not include religious hospitals and universities along with churches. But this bill appears to go far beyond that, permitting any employer to claim the religious exemption without a criteria.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) told reporters Thursday the measure would grant the exemption to “not just Catholic employers — to all employers.”

Rubio’s spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

More: Rubio Bill Lets ANY Employer Deny Birth Control Coverage | TPMDC

And the teapartier within finally comes out of Rubio. This bill won't go anywhere and Rubio has effectively sunk the catholic church argument that contraception should be denied.

Rubio has taken it to an absurd level and started yet another never ending and divisive fight.

Nice going, Rubio.

Well... anything to distract from discussing the economy, eh?

 

[AVG-JOE]

Students At Catholic Colleges Protest Lack Of Access To Birth Control

I have to ask... Why would someone adhere to a 'faith' that they disagreed with on such a fundamental level?

You humans are weird.

 

[Conservative]

Polls prove that it's only the religious radicals keeping this issue alive:

More Catholics support contraception coverage than other Americans | The Raw Story

Polls: Catholics support Obama on birth control debate | StarTribune.com

Survey: Majority of Catholics support including birth control in health care plans | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

New surveys: Catholics want birth control coverage

This is classic GOP playbook. Remember before the 2008 election they tried to make an issue of that little country next to Russia. Georgia?

They are going to be making a big deal out of everything until the elections. Most of it will be petty and blown out of perportion.

You mean, that little country that Obama said should show restraint when dealing with Russia?

Please. Educate yourself before you speak again.

 

[Sallow]

More: Rubio Bill Lets ANY Employer Deny Birth Control Coverage | TPMDC

And the teapartier within finally comes out of Rubio. This bill won't go anywhere and Rubio has effectively sunk the catholic church argument that contraception should be denied.

Rubio has taken it to an absurd level and started yet another never ending and divisive fight.

Nice going, Rubio.

Well... anything to distract from discussing the economy, eh?

Yeah..basically.

In any case..this is bullshit. And it's about putting the hit on women's rights. No one is calling for and end to insurance companies covering the cost of viagra, are they?

 

[AVG-JOE]

By Sahil Kapur

Legislation introduced by Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) to reverse the Obama administration’s birth control rule would effectively permit any employer to deny contraception coverage in their employee health plans, critics note.

“Any employer could deny birth control coverage under Rubio’s bill and all the employer would have to do is say it’s for a religious reason,” said Jessica Arons, Director of the Women’s Health and Rights Program at the liberal Center for American Progress. “There is no test to prove eligibility. It’s a loophole you could drive a truck through.”

The Rubio bill, The Religious Freedom Restoration Act, comes in response to a Catholic firestorm over the fact that the administration’s exemption on its birth control rule does not include religious hospitals and universities along with churches. But this bill appears to go far beyond that, permitting any employer to claim the religious exemption without a criteria.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) told reporters Thursday the measure would grant the exemption to “not just Catholic employers — to all employers.”

Rubio’s spokesman did not respond to a request for comment.

More: Rubio Bill Lets ANY Employer Deny Birth Control Coverage | TPMDC

So what. No one is forcing people to work for an employer.

You moonbats use the same argument about forced union participation don't you?

If you want your employer to cover birth control then go work for an employer who does.

Simple right?

Proving that the simple answer is not always the best.

Other than giving us money for work that we can use (or not) to buy health coverage, our employers should not be part of the transaction. It limits choice in the market place and forces employers to maintain a part of the health care bureaucracy.

 

[LilOlLady]

When has a catholic chruch has the authority to dictate to a private insurance company what they can or cannot provide? The chruch does not provide the contraceptives.

Any way I would not work for a catholic organization because I believe the religion to be a cult and paganistic and dogma, doctrine and traditions is against my belief.

 

[Full-Auto]

When has a catholic chruch has the authority to dictate to a private insurance company what they can or cannot provide? The chruch does not provide the contraceptives.

That concept is called being the consumer and paying the bills.

In other words they control what they spend their money on.

 

[FA_Q2]

When has a catholic chruch has the authority to dictate to a private insurance company what they can or cannot provide? The chruch does not provide the contraceptives.

Any way I would not work for a catholic organization because I believe the religion to be a cult and paganistic and dogma, doctrine and traditions is against my belief.

Again with the idiocy. The Catholic Church is saying nothing of the kind. Said insurance companies can off whatever coverage they please. They simply are not going to PAY to offer those plans to their employees.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And the teapartier within finally comes out of Rubio. This bill won't go anywhere and Rubio has effectively sunk the catholic church argument that contraception should be denied. Rubio has taken it to an absurd level and started yet another never ending and divisive fight. Nice going, Rubio.

Well... anything to distract from discussing the economy, eh?

Yeah..basically. In any case..this is bullshit. And it's about putting the hit on women's rights. No one is calling for and end to insurance companies covering the cost of viagra, are they?

The issuse is constitutional, and the mandate violates the 1st Amendment. In this case, the separation of church and state excludes the issue of women's reproductive rights.

 

[Care4all]

When has a catholic chruch has the authority to dictate to a private insurance company what they can or cannot provide? The chruch does not provide the contraceptives.

That concept is called being the consumer and paying the bills.

In other words they control what they spend their money on.

are they paying the bills? or are their parishioners paying the bills or are the patients and students really paying the bills? Charities supposedly MAKE NO PROFIT, so whose money is truly paying for the health care coverage?

AND the women working there DO PAY A PORTION of the health care insurance....shouldn't they have a say in their own insurance that they pay a portion of?

All employers supposedly on this health care plan pay for their employee's insurance, IF YOU PUT IT THAT WAY....should they too BE EXEMPT from this coverage?

This IS NOT about the Church and it's employees of the diocese, this is about a business...a hospital or a University....BOTH institutions serving the Public.

My parents are as Catholic as Catholic could be....never missed a Mass in the 50 plus years they have been married, stuck with the Church through hell or high water...but on this topic, they see the Church crying foul and lying about the issue.........

 

[Lovebears65]

Dems want birth controlled covered but it has nothing to do with health. Why inst condoms covered then because to me that is more about health then birth control pills unless its due to health issues like women who have heavy periods that causes them health problems. Condoms are the best way to reduce your risk for STDS so if anything those should be covered over birth control pills..

 

[FA_Q2]

When has a catholic chruch has the authority to dictate to a private insurance company what they can or cannot provide? The chruch does not provide the contraceptives.

That concept is called being the consumer and paying the bills.

In other words they control what they spend their money on.

are they paying the bills? or are their parishioners paying the bills or are the patients and students really paying the bills? Charities supposedly MAKE NO PROFIT, so whose money is truly paying for the health care coverage?

In that case, I actually pay the bills of IKEA when I buy there frunature. I should have a say in what they offer their employees...

That is an asinine argument and you know it.

AND the women working there DO PAY A PORTION of the health care insurance....shouldn't they have a say in their own insurance that they pay a portion of?

No they shouldn't. Does the same apply ANYWHERE else. Of course not. NO ONE has a say in what is offered beyond accepting the job, not accepting the job or negotiating with the employer. You DO have a say in the coverage you get. As a matter of fact, you have absolute control over the coverage you get. You DO NOT have control over the coverage that your employer offers. See how that works - you do not get to FORCE others to offer you anything.