Sanctuary Cities. Immigrants. Our Cities Still Need Them To Keep Thriving.

[james bond]

The story of immigrants is a two-way street. We all know about the extremists whose only mission is wreak terror among our population (Just look at London and its mayor Sadiq Khan who is prolly a terrorist himself). These are the immigrants we don't want.

The other side of the coin is non-terror immigrants take jobs that no one else will take. They pile into rental units where others won't rent in order to make things work for themselves. They make money and they spend money. They bring in new types of foods and services. They add to a city's dying population and the cities end up thriving.

Today, we have over 80 sanctuary cities in the US. Most are liberal urban centers. Where I live, it isn't a sanctuary city. The city is modernizing, but its restaurants, businesses, stores and such aren't full. A few places still attract a crowd. Yet, the city isn't thriving even though it's a lead city in a large metropolitan area. An example a big city not thriving would be St. Louis, MO. It has the population and the metropolitan area, but once the workday is over, people go home to their suburban homes.

"More than 80 cities in the United States,[69] including Washington D.C., New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, San Jose, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Detroit, Jersey City, Minneapolis, Miami, Denver, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, Oregon and Portland, Maine, have sanctuary policies, which vary locally.[70] "

Immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

 

[JimBowie1958]

The story of immigrants is a two-way street. ......
The other side of the coin is non-terror immigrants take jobs that no one else will take.

More leftard lies and horse shit.

1) Stop conflating illegal immigration with normal immigration.

2) There are no jobs Americans wont do if the pay is sufficient, dude.

 

[james bond]

The story of immigrants is a two-way street. ......
The other side of the coin is non-terror immigrants take jobs that no one else will take.

More leftard lies and horse shit.

1) Stop conflating illegal immigration with normal immigration.

2) There are no jobs Americans wont do if the pay is sufficient, dude.

I'm not a libtard, but an independent and business person who knows and understands the history of the US. Have you ever been to these sanctuary cities? I have a project in one now. They're thriving even in this economy. Compare them to the non-sanctuary ones.

I don't want a forced $15 minimum wage. Business owners don't want to pay real money to people to do these jobs.

The pop will die off in these non-sanctuary cities. Where are the new people going to come from?

 

[JimBowie1958]

I'm not a libtard, but an independent and business person who knows and understands the history of the US. Have you ever been to these sanctuary cities? I have a project in one now. They're thriving even in this economy. Compare them to the non-sanctuary ones.

I don't want a forced $15 minimum wage. Business owners don't want to pay real money to people to do these jobs.

The pop will die off in these non-sanctuary cities. Where are the new people going to come from?

Of course the economy is going to where the services are much cheaper given the use of black market illegal labor, dude.

For a businessman you seem to not have much of a macro economic over view of economics.

People who use black market labor are killing the consumer market by destroying normal wage scales set to allow people to retire in the USA economy and have a decent living.

 

[Humorme]

I'm not a libtard, but an independent and business person who knows and understands the history of the US. Have you ever been to these sanctuary cities? I have a project in one now. They're thriving even in this economy. Compare them to the non-sanctuary ones.

I don't want a forced $15 minimum wage. Business owners don't want to pay real money to people to do these jobs.

The pop will die off in these non-sanctuary cities. Where are the new people going to come from?

Of course the economy is going to where the services are much cheaper given the use of black market illegal labor, dude.

For a businessman you seem to not have much of a macro economic over view of economics.

People who use black market labor are killing the consumer market by destroying normal wage scales set to allow people to retire in the USA economy and have a decent living.

B.S. I help people find goods and services they can afford. Roughly a quarter of our population is on Social Security (be it regular Social Security, Disability, etc.) They cannot afford to pay people the wages of a surgeon to have their lawns cut or small handymen jobs done.

Where I live, an eight inch blade of grass will net you a $1000 fine. And, homeowners on Social Security will spend their first check on property taxes alone (and most still owe money beyond that.)

So, those with low incomes either lose their homes OR hire whomever will do the job. On average, I pay people $20 to $25 an hour to work. The bottom line, NO B.S. FACT is that whites won't show up. There is no more political B.S. to be said.

Two years ago, I asked a tree cutter if he knew anyone that did gutters. He called a man and handed me his cell phone. The gutter guy came out and he was a Christian that understood what it is I do. He was going to put up three sections of gutters and a downspout for $325.

The tree guy called the gutter guy to inquire if he had taken the job. Now, the gutter guy was going to give the tree cutting guy a $50 check for the referral. But, they got into a hellacious argument. The tree cutting guy said the job should have been a $625 job AND the tree cutting guy should have gotten $200 for a freaking phone call!

That is how business is conducted here. And so, we make it plain: Jobs require very little experience or knowledge. Average pay is $20 to $25 an hour. I don't give a shit what other people post on these boards, but I've been trying to help people since about 2002. Whites don't show up for the freaking jobs. Of the few that do, many have tattoos from head to toe, hundreds of body piercings, dress like clowns and due to a life of hard drugs struggle to stand on their feet. And most fitting that description have an incoming welfare check or Social Security so they need no job.

If not for foreign labor, a lot of Americans would lose their homes and be added to the dependent class. This is not opinion; it is a fact.

 

[james bond]

I'm not a libtard, but an independent and business person who knows and understands the history of the US. Have you ever been to these sanctuary cities? I have a project in one now. They're thriving even in this economy. Compare them to the non-sanctuary ones.

I don't want a forced $15 minimum wage. Business owners don't want to pay real money to people to do these jobs.

The pop will die off in these non-sanctuary cities. Where are the new people going to come from?

Of course the economy is going to where the services are much cheaper given the use of black market illegal labor, dude.

For a businessman you seem to not have much of a macro economic over view of economics.

People who use black market labor are killing the consumer market by destroying normal wage scales set to allow people to retire in the USA economy and have a decent living.

>>For a businessman you seem to not have much of a macro economic over view of economics.<<

I've go an MBA and prolly make more money than your entire family. Don't judge me and I won't judge you. When it comes to the mean green, the liberals have the most money now. Most of the cons slave away in the cities and then go home to their cushy suburban homes after work. Thus, non-sanctuary places like St. Louie end up deserted. Again, compare the sanctuary vs non-sanctuary cities and you'll find the ns ones literally dying (in terms of pop).

I don't mind having immigrants come into my city. In fact, I welcome them if they are not criminals. I just don't want the Sadiq Khan ones, the terrorists or the Mexican gangsters or criminals and the like. There are security measures a city can take to deal with these types. I've worked in law enforcement. It's time for these smarter non-sanctuary cities to come into the 21st century with some kind of immigration plan. I also don't want students from other nations coming in and taking jobs that our own students can't get. One size doesn't fit all.

>>People who use black market labor are killing the consumer market by destroying normal wage scales set to allow people to retire in the USA economy and have a decent living.<<

It's not black market if they have a green card.

 

[Correll]

The story of immigrants is a two-way street. We all know about the extremists whose only mission is wreak terror among our population (Just look at London and its mayor Sadiq Khan who is prolly a terrorist himself). These are the immigrants we don't want.

The other side of the coin is non-terror immigrants take jobs that no one else will take. They pile into rental units where others won't rent in order to make things work for themselves. They make money and they spend money. They bring in new types of foods and services. They add to a city's dying population and the cities end up thriving.

Today, we have over 80 sanctuary cities in the US. Most are liberal urban centers. Where I live, it isn't a sanctuary city. The city is modernizing, but its restaurants, businesses, stores and such aren't full. A few places still attract a crowd. Yet, the city isn't thriving even though it's a lead city in a large metropolitan area. An example a big city not thriving would be St. Louis, MO. It has the population and the metropolitan area, but once the workday is over, people go home to their suburban homes.

"More than 80 cities in the United States,[69] including Washington D.C., New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, San Jose, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Detroit, Jersey City, Minneapolis, Miami, Denver, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, Oregon and Portland, Maine, have sanctuary policies, which vary locally.[70] "

Immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.

 

[james bond]

The story of immigrants is a two-way street. We all know about the extremists whose only mission is wreak terror among our population (Just look at London and its mayor Sadiq Khan who is prolly a terrorist himself). These are the immigrants we don't want.

The other side of the coin is non-terror immigrants take jobs that no one else will take. They pile into rental units where others won't rent in order to make things work for themselves. They make money and they spend money. They bring in new types of foods and services. They add to a city's dying population and the cities end up thriving.

Today, we have over 80 sanctuary cities in the US. Most are liberal urban centers. Where I live, it isn't a sanctuary city. The city is modernizing, but its restaurants, businesses, stores and such aren't full. A few places still attract a crowd. Yet, the city isn't thriving even though it's a lead city in a large metropolitan area. An example a big city not thriving would be St. Louis, MO. It has the population and the metropolitan area, but once the workday is over, people go home to their suburban homes.

"More than 80 cities in the United States,[69] including Washington D.C., New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, San Jose, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Detroit, Jersey City, Minneapolis, Miami, Denver, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, Oregon and Portland, Maine, have sanctuary policies, which vary locally.[70] "

Immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.

>>I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.<<

My OP isn't about race so much as immigration or in today's world illegal immigration. My personal beliefs are that there should be a clear established line. I rather have legal immigration, but the liberals allowed illegal immigration and we're stuck with it. It doesn't make sense to deport all the illegals and maybe some can get legal status. Thus, we have the sanctuary cities and their policies. If you want to make it about race, in this case, whites, then it's about smart whites vs not so smart whites who run these cities. It's not just whites who run these cities, but I'm just making it simple.

Maybe having a white American cut your grass is a sign of quality in your city. However, I don't think it will last.

Basically what I'm saying is the sanctuary cities will thrive more and your city won't be thriving as much. People die daily. You can't just get 100,000K increase in population in a few years through birth.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Won't we be guilty of appropriating their culture if we let them in

 

[jknowgood]

The story of immigrants is a two-way street. We all know about the extremists whose only mission is wreak terror among our population (Just look at London and its mayor Sadiq Khan who is prolly a terrorist himself). These are the immigrants we don't want.

The other side of the coin is non-terror immigrants take jobs that no one else will take. They pile into rental units where others won't rent in order to make things work for themselves. They make money and they spend money. They bring in new types of foods and services. They add to a city's dying population and the cities end up thriving.

Today, we have over 80 sanctuary cities in the US. Most are liberal urban centers. Where I live, it isn't a sanctuary city. The city is modernizing, but its restaurants, businesses, stores and such aren't full. A few places still attract a crowd. Yet, the city isn't thriving even though it's a lead city in a large metropolitan area. An example a big city not thriving would be St. Louis, MO. It has the population and the metropolitan area, but once the workday is over, people go home to their suburban homes.

"More than 80 cities in the United States,[69] including Washington D.C., New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, San Jose, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Detroit, Jersey City, Minneapolis, Miami, Denver, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, Oregon and Portland, Maine, have sanctuary policies, which vary locally.[70] "

Immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

 

[james bond]

Check out the increase in population of Dallas, TX in four years versus your non-sanctuary city.

U.S. Census Bureau QuickFacts selected: Dallas city, Texas

 

[Humorme]

The story of immigrants is a two-way street. We all know about the extremists whose only mission is wreak terror among our population (Just look at London and its mayor Sadiq Khan who is prolly a terrorist himself). These are the immigrants we don't want.

The other side of the coin is non-terror immigrants take jobs that no one else will take. They pile into rental units where others won't rent in order to make things work for themselves. They make money and they spend money. They bring in new types of foods and services. They add to a city's dying population and the cities end up thriving.

Today, we have over 80 sanctuary cities in the US. Most are liberal urban centers. Where I live, it isn't a sanctuary city. The city is modernizing, but its restaurants, businesses, stores and such aren't full. A few places still attract a crowd. Yet, the city isn't thriving even though it's a lead city in a large metropolitan area. An example a big city not thriving would be St. Louis, MO. It has the population and the metropolitan area, but once the workday is over, people go home to their suburban homes.

"More than 80 cities in the United States,[69] including Washington D.C., New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, San Jose, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Detroit, Jersey City, Minneapolis, Miami, Denver, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, Oregon and Portland, Maine, have sanctuary policies, which vary locally.[70] "

Immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.

>>I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.<<

My OP isn't about race so much as immigration or in today's world illegal immigration. My personal beliefs are that there should be a clear established line. I rather have legal immigration, but the liberals allowed illegal immigration and we're stuck with it. It doesn't make sense to deport all the illegals and maybe some can get legal status. Thus, we have the sanctuary cities and their policies. If you want to make it about race, in this case, whites, then it's about smart whites vs not so smart whites who run these cities. It's not just whites who run these cities, but I'm just making it simple.

Maybe having a white American cut your grass is a sign of quality in your city. However, I don't think it will last.

Basically what I'm saying is the sanctuary cities will thrive more and your city won't be thriving as much. People die daily. You can't just get 100,000K increase in population in a few years through birth.

I find that people making these arguments about legal v illegal immigration to be selling a pig in a poke.

Let me see if I understand you:

You are "for" legal (sic) immigration. According to the anti-immigration activists "legal immigration" is code for citizenship. So you have no problem with immigrants provided they went through some legal process aimed at requiring people to become citizens.

Now, let us forget the fact that this year alone at least 780,000 people will take the oath and become citizens. Radical Muslims, communists, atheists, murderers, social outcasts and all manner of people you would find to be objectionable under most circumstances are welcome... they did it "legally" as you are so fond of calling it.

These 780,000 people (this year alone) can now be a part of the body politic, having the privilege of voting and then drawing out of Socialist Security, Medicare, Medicaid, AND voting in their version of what they think America ought to be.

Meanwhile, you get your boxers in a bunch because low wage people come here and work jobs that Americans obviously don't want... don't try to "school" me until you've spent a couple of weeks here with me. Here the whites and the "legal" Americans don't apply for the jobs; they don't want the jobs; they won't work them when they get them. ANYBODY who thinks differently is welcome to spend a couple of weeks with me and I will shatter your presupposition all to Hell.

But, I will not give up trying to get the substance of your argument.

 

[Correll]

The story of immigrants is a two-way street. We all know about the extremists whose only mission is wreak terror among our population (Just look at London and its mayor Sadiq Khan who is prolly a terrorist himself). These are the immigrants we don't want.

The other side of the coin is non-terror immigrants take jobs that no one else will take. They pile into rental units where others won't rent in order to make things work for themselves. They make money and they spend money. They bring in new types of foods and services. They add to a city's dying population and the cities end up thriving.

Today, we have over 80 sanctuary cities in the US. Most are liberal urban centers. Where I live, it isn't a sanctuary city. The city is modernizing, but its restaurants, businesses, stores and such aren't full. A few places still attract a crowd. Yet, the city isn't thriving even though it's a lead city in a large metropolitan area. An example a big city not thriving would be St. Louis, MO. It has the population and the metropolitan area, but once the workday is over, people go home to their suburban homes.

"More than 80 cities in the United States,[69] including Washington D.C., New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, San Jose, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Detroit, Jersey City, Minneapolis, Miami, Denver, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, Oregon and Portland, Maine, have sanctuary policies, which vary locally.[70] "

Immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.

>>I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.<<

My OP isn't about race so much as immigration or in today's world illegal immigration. My personal beliefs are that there should be a clear established line. I rather have legal immigration, but the liberals allowed illegal immigration and we're stuck with it. It doesn't make sense to deport all the illegals and maybe some can get legal status. Thus, we have the sanctuary cities and their policies. If you want to make it about race, in this case, whites, then it's about smart whites vs not so smart whites who run these cities. It's not just whites who run these cities, but I'm just making it simple.

Maybe having a white American cut your grass is a sign of quality in your city. However, I don't think it will last.

Basically what I'm saying is the sanctuary cities will thrive more and your city won't be thriving as much. People die daily. You can't just get 100,000K increase in population in a few years through birth.

I was not making it about race. I made it about having an American cut the grass, ie a job that "no one else will take".


A growing population of Third Worlders that bring their Third World Problems is not a thriving city.


Give me a city full of Americans with their First World Problems, and I'll live with fewer traffic jams and lower crime.


Quality of life is not defined by macro economic growth, but by per capital growth.


A flood of poor is not the answer.

 

[Correll]

The story of immigrants is a two-way street. We all know about the extremists whose only mission is wreak terror among our population (Just look at London and its mayor Sadiq Khan who is prolly a terrorist himself). These are the immigrants we don't want.

The other side of the coin is non-terror immigrants take jobs that no one else will take. They pile into rental units where others won't rent in order to make things work for themselves. They make money and they spend money. They bring in new types of foods and services. They add to a city's dying population and the cities end up thriving.

Today, we have over 80 sanctuary cities in the US. Most are liberal urban centers. Where I live, it isn't a sanctuary city. The city is modernizing, but its restaurants, businesses, stores and such aren't full. A few places still attract a crowd. Yet, the city isn't thriving even though it's a lead city in a large metropolitan area. An example a big city not thriving would be St. Louis, MO. It has the population and the metropolitan area, but once the workday is over, people go home to their suburban homes.

"More than 80 cities in the United States,[69] including Washington D.C., New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, San Jose, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Detroit, Jersey City, Minneapolis, Miami, Denver, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, Oregon and Portland, Maine, have sanctuary policies, which vary locally.[70] "

Immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.

>>I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.<<

My OP isn't about race so much as immigration or in today's world illegal immigration. My personal beliefs are that there should be a clear established line. I rather have legal immigration, but the liberals allowed illegal immigration and we're stuck with it. It doesn't make sense to deport all the illegals and maybe some can get legal status. Thus, we have the sanctuary cities and their policies. If you want to make it about race, in this case, whites, then it's about smart whites vs not so smart whites who run these cities. It's not just whites who run these cities, but I'm just making it simple.

Maybe having a white American cut your grass is a sign of quality in your city. However, I don't think it will last.

Basically what I'm saying is the sanctuary cities will thrive more and your city won't be thriving as much. People die daily. You can't just get 100,000K increase in population in a few years through birth.

I find that people making these arguments about legal v illegal immigration to be selling a pig in a poke.

Let me see if I understand you:

You are "for" legal (sic) immigration. According to the anti-immigration activists "legal immigration" is code for citizenship. So you have no problem with immigrants provided they went through some legal process aimed at requiring people to become citizens.

Now, let us forget the fact that this year alone at least 780,000 people will take the oath and become citizens. Radical Muslims, communists, atheists, murderers, social outcasts and all manner of people you would find to be objectionable under most circumstances are welcome... they did it "legally" as you are so fond of calling it.

These 780,000 people (this year alone) can now be a part of the body politic, having the privilege of voting and then drawing out of Socialist Security, Medicare, Medicaid, AND voting in their version of what they think America ought to be.

Meanwhile, you get your boxers in a bunch because low wage people come here and work jobs that Americans obviously don't want... don't try to "school" me until you've spent a couple of weeks here with me. Here the whites and the "legal" Americans don't apply for the jobs; they don't want the jobs; they won't work them when they get them. ANYBODY who thinks differently is welcome to spend a couple of weeks with me and I will shatter your presupposition all to Hell.

But, I will not give up trying to get the substance of your argument.

Americans do those jobs already. It is only in high immigration areas that they get pushed out of that job market by being undercut.

 

[Humorme]

The story of immigrants is a two-way street. We all know about the extremists whose only mission is wreak terror among our population (Just look at London and its mayor Sadiq Khan who is prolly a terrorist himself). These are the immigrants we don't want.

The other side of the coin is non-terror immigrants take jobs that no one else will take. They pile into rental units where others won't rent in order to make things work for themselves. They make money and they spend money. They bring in new types of foods and services. They add to a city's dying population and the cities end up thriving.

Today, we have over 80 sanctuary cities in the US. Most are liberal urban centers. Where I live, it isn't a sanctuary city. The city is modernizing, but its restaurants, businesses, stores and such aren't full. A few places still attract a crowd. Yet, the city isn't thriving even though it's a lead city in a large metropolitan area. An example a big city not thriving would be St. Louis, MO. It has the population and the metropolitan area, but once the workday is over, people go home to their suburban homes.

"More than 80 cities in the United States,[69] including Washington D.C., New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, San Jose, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Detroit, Jersey City, Minneapolis, Miami, Denver, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, Oregon and Portland, Maine, have sanctuary policies, which vary locally.[70] "

Immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.

>>I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.<<

My OP isn't about race so much as immigration or in today's world illegal immigration. My personal beliefs are that there should be a clear established line. I rather have legal immigration, but the liberals allowed illegal immigration and we're stuck with it. It doesn't make sense to deport all the illegals and maybe some can get legal status. Thus, we have the sanctuary cities and their policies. If you want to make it about race, in this case, whites, then it's about smart whites vs not so smart whites who run these cities. It's not just whites who run these cities, but I'm just making it simple.

Maybe having a white American cut your grass is a sign of quality in your city. However, I don't think it will last.

Basically what I'm saying is the sanctuary cities will thrive more and your city won't be thriving as much. People die daily. You can't just get 100,000K increase in population in a few years through birth.

I find that people making these arguments about legal v illegal immigration to be selling a pig in a poke.

Let me see if I understand you:

You are "for" legal (sic) immigration. According to the anti-immigration activists "legal immigration" is code for citizenship. So you have no problem with immigrants provided they went through some legal process aimed at requiring people to become citizens.

Now, let us forget the fact that this year alone at least 780,000 people will take the oath and become citizens. Radical Muslims, communists, atheists, murderers, social outcasts and all manner of people you would find to be objectionable under most circumstances are welcome... they did it "legally" as you are so fond of calling it.

These 780,000 people (this year alone) can now be a part of the body politic, having the privilege of voting and then drawing out of Socialist Security, Medicare, Medicaid, AND voting in their version of what they think America ought to be.

Meanwhile, you get your boxers in a bunch because low wage people come here and work jobs that Americans obviously don't want... don't try to "school" me until you've spent a couple of weeks here with me. Here the whites and the "legal" Americans don't apply for the jobs; they don't want the jobs; they won't work them when they get them. ANYBODY who thinks differently is welcome to spend a couple of weeks with me and I will shatter your presupposition all to Hell.

But, I will not give up trying to get the substance of your argument.

Americans do those jobs already. It is only in high immigration areas that they get pushed out of that job market by being undercut.

They do NOT apply for them here. Rather than B.S. the posters, take a little of your time to come here, see for yourself and try to prove me wrong. It will beat the Hell out of you misleading people with something I can easily disprove.

We advertise on Craigslist, with the Dept. of Labor, in churches, in local papers, even with flyers. Where you live may be a different demographic and maybe you live in Heaven where every white dude don't think he's a contractor just because he's got a ten year old truck and some cheap business cards.

 

[Correll]

The story of immigrants is a two-way street. We all know about the extremists whose only mission is wreak terror among our population (Just look at London and its mayor Sadiq Khan who is prolly a terrorist himself). These are the immigrants we don't want.

The other side of the coin is non-terror immigrants take jobs that no one else will take. They pile into rental units where others won't rent in order to make things work for themselves. They make money and they spend money. They bring in new types of foods and services. They add to a city's dying population and the cities end up thriving.

Today, we have over 80 sanctuary cities in the US. Most are liberal urban centers. Where I live, it isn't a sanctuary city. The city is modernizing, but its restaurants, businesses, stores and such aren't full. A few places still attract a crowd. Yet, the city isn't thriving even though it's a lead city in a large metropolitan area. An example a big city not thriving would be St. Louis, MO. It has the population and the metropolitan area, but once the workday is over, people go home to their suburban homes.

"More than 80 cities in the United States,[69] including Washington D.C., New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, San Jose, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Detroit, Jersey City, Minneapolis, Miami, Denver, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, Oregon and Portland, Maine, have sanctuary policies, which vary locally.[70] "

Immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.

>>I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.<<

My OP isn't about race so much as immigration or in today's world illegal immigration. My personal beliefs are that there should be a clear established line. I rather have legal immigration, but the liberals allowed illegal immigration and we're stuck with it. It doesn't make sense to deport all the illegals and maybe some can get legal status. Thus, we have the sanctuary cities and their policies. If you want to make it about race, in this case, whites, then it's about smart whites vs not so smart whites who run these cities. It's not just whites who run these cities, but I'm just making it simple.

Maybe having a white American cut your grass is a sign of quality in your city. However, I don't think it will last.

Basically what I'm saying is the sanctuary cities will thrive more and your city won't be thriving as much. People die daily. You can't just get 100,000K increase in population in a few years through birth.

I find that people making these arguments about legal v illegal immigration to be selling a pig in a poke.

Let me see if I understand you:

You are "for" legal (sic) immigration. According to the anti-immigration activists "legal immigration" is code for citizenship. So you have no problem with immigrants provided they went through some legal process aimed at requiring people to become citizens.

Now, let us forget the fact that this year alone at least 780,000 people will take the oath and become citizens. Radical Muslims, communists, atheists, murderers, social outcasts and all manner of people you would find to be objectionable under most circumstances are welcome... they did it "legally" as you are so fond of calling it.

These 780,000 people (this year alone) can now be a part of the body politic, having the privilege of voting and then drawing out of Socialist Security, Medicare, Medicaid, AND voting in their version of what they think America ought to be.

Meanwhile, you get your boxers in a bunch because low wage people come here and work jobs that Americans obviously don't want... don't try to "school" me until you've spent a couple of weeks here with me. Here the whites and the "legal" Americans don't apply for the jobs; they don't want the jobs; they won't work them when they get them. ANYBODY who thinks differently is welcome to spend a couple of weeks with me and I will shatter your presupposition all to Hell.

But, I will not give up trying to get the substance of your argument.

Americans do those jobs already. It is only in high immigration areas that they get pushed out of that job market by being undercut.

They do NOT apply for them here. Rather than B.S. the posters, take a little of your time to come here, see for yourself and try to prove me wrong. It will beat the Hell out of you misleading people with something I can easily disprove.

We advertise on Craigslist, with the Dept. of Labor, in churches, in local papers, even with flyers. Where you live may be a different demographic and maybe you live in Heaven where every white dude don't think he's a contractor just because he's got a ten year old truck and some cheap business cards.

I live in a rust belt city.

I've worked many of those jobs, that you say, Americans won't do.


I've worked along side of Americans, white and black and other.


If Americans aren't applying for those jobs where you are, it's because they have been pushed out of the market.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The story of immigrants is a two-way street. We all know about the extremists whose only mission is wreak terror among our population (Just look at London and its mayor Sadiq Khan who is prolly a terrorist himself). These are the immigrants we don't want.

The other side of the coin is non-terror immigrants take jobs that no one else will take. They pile into rental units where others won't rent in order to make things work for themselves. They make money and they spend money. They bring in new types of foods and services. They add to a city's dying population and the cities end up thriving.

Today, we have over 80 sanctuary cities in the US. Most are liberal urban centers. Where I live, it isn't a sanctuary city. The city is modernizing, but its restaurants, businesses, stores and such aren't full. A few places still attract a crowd. Yet, the city isn't thriving even though it's a lead city in a large metropolitan area. An example a big city not thriving would be St. Louis, MO. It has the population and the metropolitan area, but once the workday is over, people go home to their suburban homes.

"More than 80 cities in the United States,[69] including Washington D.C., New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, San Diego, San Jose, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Detroit, Jersey City, Minneapolis, Miami, Denver, Baltimore, Seattle, Portland, Oregon and Portland, Maine, have sanctuary policies, which vary locally.[70] "

Immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

Prolly"?

Anytime I read that abomination, my ability to read shuts down because my brain instantly realizes that the post is likely BS if a person cannot write using the English language. I automatically subtract about 30 IQ points from my expectations.

Please check yourself, before you wreck yourself.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I'm not a libtard, but an independent and business person who knows and understands the history of the US. Have you ever been to these sanctuary cities? I have a project in one now. They're thriving even in this economy. Compare them to the non-sanctuary ones.

I don't want a forced $15 minimum wage. Business owners don't want to pay real money to people to do these jobs.

The pop will die off in these non-sanctuary cities. Where are the new people going to come from?

Of course the economy is going to where the services are much cheaper given the use of black market illegal labor, dude.

For a businessman you seem to not have much of a macro economic over view of economics.

People who use black market labor are killing the consumer market by destroying normal wage scales set to allow people to retire in the USA economy and have a decent living.

>>For a businessman you seem to not have much of a macro economic over view of economics.<<

I've go an MBA and prolly make more money than your entire family. Don't judge me and I won't judge you. When it comes to the mean green, the liberals have the most money now. Most of the cons slave away in the cities and then go home to their cushy suburban homes after work. Thus, non-sanctuary places like St. Louie end up deserted. Again, compare the sanctuary vs non-sanctuary cities and you'll find the ns ones literally dying (in terms of pop).

I don't mind having immigrants come into my city. In fact, I welcome them if they are not criminals. I just don't want the Sadiq Khan ones, the terrorists or the Mexican gangsters or criminals and the like. There are security measures a city can take to deal with these types. I've worked in law enforcement. It's time for these smarter non-sanctuary cities to come into the 21st century with some kind of immigration plan. I also don't want students from other nations coming in and taking jobs that our own students can't get. One size doesn't fit all.

>>People who use black market labor are killing the consumer market by destroying normal wage scales set to allow people to retire in the USA economy and have a decent living.<<

It's not black market if they have a green card.

You have an MBA and use non-words like "prolly". You need a refund on your education because it did not take.

 

[Humorme]

I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.

>>I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.<<

My OP isn't about race so much as immigration or in today's world illegal immigration. My personal beliefs are that there should be a clear established line. I rather have legal immigration, but the liberals allowed illegal immigration and we're stuck with it. It doesn't make sense to deport all the illegals and maybe some can get legal status. Thus, we have the sanctuary cities and their policies. If you want to make it about race, in this case, whites, then it's about smart whites vs not so smart whites who run these cities. It's not just whites who run these cities, but I'm just making it simple.

Maybe having a white American cut your grass is a sign of quality in your city. However, I don't think it will last.

Basically what I'm saying is the sanctuary cities will thrive more and your city won't be thriving as much. People die daily. You can't just get 100,000K increase in population in a few years through birth.

I find that people making these arguments about legal v illegal immigration to be selling a pig in a poke.

Let me see if I understand you:

You are "for" legal (sic) immigration. According to the anti-immigration activists "legal immigration" is code for citizenship. So you have no problem with immigrants provided they went through some legal process aimed at requiring people to become citizens.

Now, let us forget the fact that this year alone at least 780,000 people will take the oath and become citizens. Radical Muslims, communists, atheists, murderers, social outcasts and all manner of people you would find to be objectionable under most circumstances are welcome... they did it "legally" as you are so fond of calling it.

These 780,000 people (this year alone) can now be a part of the body politic, having the privilege of voting and then drawing out of Socialist Security, Medicare, Medicaid, AND voting in their version of what they think America ought to be.

Meanwhile, you get your boxers in a bunch because low wage people come here and work jobs that Americans obviously don't want... don't try to "school" me until you've spent a couple of weeks here with me. Here the whites and the "legal" Americans don't apply for the jobs; they don't want the jobs; they won't work them when they get them. ANYBODY who thinks differently is welcome to spend a couple of weeks with me and I will shatter your presupposition all to Hell.

But, I will not give up trying to get the substance of your argument.

Americans do those jobs already. It is only in high immigration areas that they get pushed out of that job market by being undercut.

They do NOT apply for them here. Rather than B.S. the posters, take a little of your time to come here, see for yourself and try to prove me wrong. It will beat the Hell out of you misleading people with something I can easily disprove.

We advertise on Craigslist, with the Dept. of Labor, in churches, in local papers, even with flyers. Where you live may be a different demographic and maybe you live in Heaven where every white dude don't think he's a contractor just because he's got a ten year old truck and some cheap business cards.

I live in a rust belt city.

I've worked many of those jobs, that you say, Americans won't do.


I've worked along side of Americans, white and black and other.


If Americans aren't applying for those jobs where you are, it's because they have been pushed out of the market.

No sir. They were not "pushed" out of the market (you're back to blaming the foreigners.)

The anti-immigrant lobby with their atmosphere of the pee test, blood test, hair sample, MVR check, credit check, criminal background check, driver’s license, National ID Card / E Verify, Socialist Surveillance Number – ooop. “Social Security Number,” birth certificate, occupation license, credit card, firearms license, proof of insurance, DNA sample, fingerprints, and access to your social media accounts forced Americans into a second class citizenship.

Between that and the government / medical community getting the population strung out on legal drugs, most people cannot pass the background checks. A youthful indiscretion keeps many people from being able to function in a normal society and Socialist Security, welfare, unemployment, etc. are enough to keep a sizable number of people addicted to the government dole.

780,000 foreigners will become legal citizens (sic) this year and they will get jobs that Americans could get except for the fact that most foreigners won't have a record... Why? Because not every offense in other countries is a crime. And, even if it were, you cannot depend on foreign governments to always tell you the truth. IF you could depend on them, you would not have gotten the Tsarnev brothers nor that Muslim couple that went on a mass shooting spree in San Bernadino, California.

The insanity started by the anti-immigrant, deport 'em all, build the wall fanaticism is the real culprit. There is a problem; the current "solutions" (if you can call regression) is no solution at all.

 

[Correll]

>>I live in a city without a lot of illegals. I pay a white American to cut my grass. It is not ruinously expensive.<<

My OP isn't about race so much as immigration or in today's world illegal immigration. My personal beliefs are that there should be a clear established line. I rather have legal immigration, but the liberals allowed illegal immigration and we're stuck with it. It doesn't make sense to deport all the illegals and maybe some can get legal status. Thus, we have the sanctuary cities and their policies. If you want to make it about race, in this case, whites, then it's about smart whites vs not so smart whites who run these cities. It's not just whites who run these cities, but I'm just making it simple.

Maybe having a white American cut your grass is a sign of quality in your city. However, I don't think it will last.

Basically what I'm saying is the sanctuary cities will thrive more and your city won't be thriving as much. People die daily. You can't just get 100,000K increase in population in a few years through birth.

I find that people making these arguments about legal v illegal immigration to be selling a pig in a poke.

Let me see if I understand you:

You are "for" legal (sic) immigration. According to the anti-immigration activists "legal immigration" is code for citizenship. So you have no problem with immigrants provided they went through some legal process aimed at requiring people to become citizens.

Now, let us forget the fact that this year alone at least 780,000 people will take the oath and become citizens. Radical Muslims, communists, atheists, murderers, social outcasts and all manner of people you would find to be objectionable under most circumstances are welcome... they did it "legally" as you are so fond of calling it.

These 780,000 people (this year alone) can now be a part of the body politic, having the privilege of voting and then drawing out of Socialist Security, Medicare, Medicaid, AND voting in their version of what they think America ought to be.

Meanwhile, you get your boxers in a bunch because low wage people come here and work jobs that Americans obviously don't want... don't try to "school" me until you've spent a couple of weeks here with me. Here the whites and the "legal" Americans don't apply for the jobs; they don't want the jobs; they won't work them when they get them. ANYBODY who thinks differently is welcome to spend a couple of weeks with me and I will shatter your presupposition all to Hell.

But, I will not give up trying to get the substance of your argument.

Americans do those jobs already. It is only in high immigration areas that they get pushed out of that job market by being undercut.

They do NOT apply for them here. Rather than B.S. the posters, take a little of your time to come here, see for yourself and try to prove me wrong. It will beat the Hell out of you misleading people with something I can easily disprove.

We advertise on Craigslist, with the Dept. of Labor, in churches, in local papers, even with flyers. Where you live may be a different demographic and maybe you live in Heaven where every white dude don't think he's a contractor just because he's got a ten year old truck and some cheap business cards.

I live in a rust belt city.

I've worked many of those jobs, that you say, Americans won't do.


I've worked along side of Americans, white and black and other.


If Americans aren't applying for those jobs where you are, it's because they have been pushed out of the market.

No sir. They were not "pushed" out of the market (you're back to blaming the foreigners.)

The anti-immigrant lobby with their atmosphere of the pee test, blood test, hair sample, MVR check, credit check, criminal background check, driver’s license, National ID Card / E Verify, Socialist Surveillance Number – ooop. “Social Security Number,” birth certificate, occupation license, credit card, firearms license, proof of insurance, DNA sample, fingerprints, and access to your social media accounts forced Americans into a second class citizenship.

Between that and the government / medical community getting the population strung out on legal drugs, most people cannot pass the background checks. A youthful indiscretion keeps many people from being able to function in a normal society and Socialist Security, welfare, unemployment, etc. are enough to keep a sizable number of people addicted to the government dole.

780,000 foreigners will become legal citizens (sic) this year and they will get jobs that Americans could get except for the fact that most foreigners won't have a record... Why? Because not every offense in other countries is a crime. And, even if it were, you cannot depend on foreign governments to always tell you the truth. IF you could depend on them, you would not have gotten the Tsarnev brothers nor that Muslim couple that went on a mass shooting spree in San Bernadino, California.

The insanity started by the anti-immigrant, deport 'em all, build the wall fanaticism is the real culprit. There is a problem; the current "solutions" (if you can call regression) is no solution at all.

Plenty of jobs that don't require drug testing or background checks.


Couple of years ago, when I was making more money, we had a series of cleaning ladies come in, weekly.


We paid 30 bucks an hour, and they were all Americans.


You go to a city that has been flooded by immigrants, legal and.or illegal, and those Americans would be undercut by Third World Labor.