Sanders planning "Major Speech" on democratic socialism

[Mac1958]

He does try here: What is a democratic socialist? Bernie Sanders tries to redefine the name.

“What democratic socialism means to me,” Sanders said during a recent speech in New Hampshire, “is having a government which represents all people, rather than just the wealthiest people, which is most often the case right now in this country.”

Somebody needs to ask Bernie what the hell this has to do with socialism in the first place because it would appear that he doesn't understand what socialism really is (common ownership of the means of production and production for use), he is just changing the definition of the word to suit his political needs, the definition he outlines here is so broad and excludes the economic specifics of what is generally understood as socialism that it is essentially meaningless.

There's a difference between socialism (Cuba) and a social democracy (Denmark). Certainly the GOP has run with and against the Cuban model, and I suspect Sanders' speech will attempt to provide a clear description of the difference.
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Yeah, the difference is that Denmark is a capitalist country. It's in the top 5 on the Heritage index of economic freedom.

Sure, so a true socialist state is significantly to the left of a social democracy.
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[Conservative65]

He does try here: What is a democratic socialist? Bernie Sanders tries to redefine the name.

“What democratic socialism means to me,” Sanders said during a recent speech in New Hampshire, “is having a government which represents all people, rather than just the wealthiest people, which is most often the case right now in this country.”

Somebody needs to ask Bernie what the hell this has to do with socialism in the first place because it would appear that he doesn't understand what socialism really is (common ownership of the means of production and production for use), he is just changing the definition of the word to suit his political needs, the definition he outlines here is so broad and excludes the economic specifics of what is generally understood as socialism that it is essentially meaningless.

There's a difference between socialism (Cuba) and a social democracy (Denmark). Certainly the GOP has run with and against the Cuban model, and I suspect Sanders' speech will attempt to provide a clear description of the difference.
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The difference is how the person or persons in charge got to power.

 

[Mac1958]

There's a difference between socialism (Cuba) and a social democracy (Denmark). Certainly the GOP has run with and against the Cuban model, and I suspect Sanders' speech will attempt to provide a clear description of the difference.
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More word salad designed to confuse the uninformed, Bernie would be more accurate to characterize those countries he says he admires as "Nordic Capitalism" (the democracy part is completely non sequitur to the economic system being described) since their economic systems bear little resemblance to anything that fits the actual meaning of the word socialism. Personally my take away from what Bernie says he wants is that he's an admirer of fascism since like fascism he appears to want tight government CONTROL of private enterprise without the government ownership and he wants the gigantic welfare state so popular with 20th century fascists.

"Nordic Capitalism" is a pretty good freaking idea, it's much more accurate.

Whatever his message actually is, it's being distorted by this semantic debate. Maybe this speech would clarify.
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[mudwhistle]

Good, this should be interesting. I strongly suspect a clear delineation between democratic socialism and pure socialism to help clarify the national conversation:

Sanders planning ‘major speech’ on democratic socialism, he tells Iowa supporters

He does try here: What is a democratic socialist? Bernie Sanders tries to redefine the name.

“What democratic socialism means to me,” Sanders said during a recent speech in New Hampshire, “is having a government which represents all people, rather than just the wealthiest people, which is most often the case right now in this country.”

What that doesn't cover is control over ownership and means of distribution. I guess we'll see.
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Sure hope Joe The Plumber doesn’t ask him about spreading the wealth.

 

[RandomVariable]

I'VE GOT MINE MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!!!

I EARNED mine motherfucker.

Did you EARN your mommy? Did you EARN your daddy? Did you EARN your whiteness? or earn your maleness? You take a lot for granted oh pampered white boy.

They weren't taken from someone else at gunpoint like welfare is, you blood sucking tick.

Quiet white boy. They are coming for your lunch money.

It's actually all our money. American productivity has created all this wealth, but the average worker has been shafted out of his share. And that includes not only American workers who lost their jobs from industries going to China and elsewhere, but those workers in the foreign plants. Just go ask them.

Doesn't change the fact that Bernie is buying votes.

The people rallying around Bernie are not the "entitled and lazy Americans" you Republicans rail against. It is Americans who are tired of seeing this country go in the shit can because of the greedy leading the ignorant.

The greedy? You mean children of parent's who won't provide for their own kid's education? How is expecting someone to do what I have already done greedy?

I'm tired of hearing people who don't do what's expected of them demand others be forced to do it for them.

And this is not even about you. You think you are well off. You're one major hit away from that shithole you fear so much. It is the rich who is feeding you your brains in a spoon who this is about. You just think you are being noble standing up for what is right when you are actually clueless as to the who is who and right from wrong. The great noble and clueless white male. That's you. Charge on!

Since I'm one of many forced to fund handouts for leeches, it is about me.

This white male earned what he has unlike many of your kind who are born bastards from mothers who don't know which dick they let have put in them produced the little bastard.

You are an angry white male. You will probably die alone and broke. You probably don't own your house. You probably don't own your car. You have a little money put away in a bank where it could evaporate before the mail arrives this morning. And the best part, is you are fighting for your own destruction. I am sure you are very intelligent and very productive and that is why you are a puppet in their crosshairs. You will work all your life and end up with nothing. Blame it on the poor you fool.

 

[Conservative65]

I EARNED mine motherfucker.

Did you EARN your mommy? Did you EARN your daddy? Did you EARN your whiteness? or earn your maleness? You take a lot for granted oh pampered white boy.

They weren't taken from someone else at gunpoint like welfare is, you blood sucking tick.

Quiet white boy. They are coming for your lunch money.

Doesn't change the fact that Bernie is buying votes.

The people rallying around Bernie are not the "entitled and lazy Americans" you Republicans rail against. It is Americans who are tired of seeing this country go in the shit can because of the greedy leading the ignorant.

The greedy? You mean children of parent's who won't provide for their own kid's education? How is expecting someone to do what I have already done greedy?

I'm tired of hearing people who don't do what's expected of them demand others be forced to do it for them.

And this is not even about you. You think you are well off. You're one major hit away from that shithole you fear so much. It is the rich who is feeding you your brains in a spoon who this is about. You just think you are being noble standing up for what is right when you are actually clueless as to the who is who and right from wrong. The great noble and clueless white male. That's you. Charge on!

Since I'm one of many forced to fund handouts for leeches, it is about me.

This white male earned what he has unlike many of your kind who are born bastards from mothers who don't know which dick they let have put in them produced the little bastard.

You are an angry white male. You will probably die alone and broke. You probably don't own your house. You probably don't own your car. You have a little money put away in a bank where it could evaporate before the mail arrives this morning. And the best part, is you are fighting for your own destruction. I am sure you are very intelligent and very productive and that is why you are a puppet in their crosshairs. You will work all your life and end up with nothing. Blame it on the poor you fool.

You sure do predict a lot of things for which you have no clue.

The best part about me is that I support myself and always have unlike you porch monkeys.

 

[RandomVariable]

Did you EARN your mommy? Did you EARN your daddy? Did you EARN your whiteness? or earn your maleness? You take a lot for granted oh pampered white boy.

They weren't taken from someone else at gunpoint like welfare is, you blood sucking tick.

Quiet white boy. They are coming for your lunch money.

The people rallying around Bernie are not the "entitled and lazy Americans" you Republicans rail against. It is Americans who are tired of seeing this country go in the shit can because of the greedy leading the ignorant.

The greedy? You mean children of parent's who won't provide for their own kid's education? How is expecting someone to do what I have already done greedy?

I'm tired of hearing people who don't do what's expected of them demand others be forced to do it for them.

And this is not even about you. You think you are well off. You're one major hit away from that shithole you fear so much. It is the rich who is feeding you your brains in a spoon who this is about. You just think you are being noble standing up for what is right when you are actually clueless as to the who is who and right from wrong. The great noble and clueless white male. That's you. Charge on!

Since I'm one of many forced to fund handouts for leeches, it is about me.

This white male earned what he has unlike many of your kind who are born bastards from mothers who don't know which dick they let have put in them produced the little bastard.

You are an angry white male. You will probably die alone and broke. You probably don't own your house. You probably don't own your car. You have a little money put away in a bank where it could evaporate before the mail arrives this morning. And the best part, is you are fighting for your own destruction. I am sure you are very intelligent and very productive and that is why you are a puppet in their crosshairs. You will work all your life and end up with nothing. Blame it on the poor you fool.

You sure do predict a lot of things for which you have no clue.

The best part about me is that I support myself and always have unlike you porch monkeys.

You are inside a failing system. You will not, because you can not, get out of it. The fact that you are fighting to stay in it is a testament to the power of persuasion.

 

[Conservative65]

Did you EARN your mommy? Did you EARN your daddy? Did you EARN your whiteness? or earn your maleness? You take a lot for granted oh pampered white boy.

They weren't taken from someone else at gunpoint like welfare is, you blood sucking tick.

Quiet white boy. They are coming for your lunch money.

The people rallying around Bernie are not the "entitled and lazy Americans" you
Ditto.

Also, the majority of my friends who Random would probably consider "angry white males" also have no trouble supporting themselves.

If the definition of angry white male means someone that supports himself, his family, and doesn't expect the government to do for him what he does for himself, that's OK.

 

[mudwhistle]

I EARNED mine motherfucker.

Did you EARN your mommy? Did you EARN your daddy? Did you EARN your whiteness? or earn your maleness? You take a lot for granted oh pampered white boy.

They weren't taken from someone else at gunpoint like welfare is, you blood sucking tick.

Quiet white boy. They are coming for your lunch money.

Doesn't change the fact that Bernie is buying votes.

The people rallying around Bernie are not the "entitled and lazy Americans" you Republicans rail against. It is Americans who are tired of seeing this country go in the shit can because of the greedy leading the ignorant.

The greedy? You mean children of parent's who won't provide for their own kid's education? How is expecting someone to do what I have already done greedy?

I'm tired of hearing people who don't do what's expected of them demand others be forced to do it for them.

And this is not even about you. You think you are well off. You're one major hit away from that shithole you fear so much. It is the rich who is feeding you your brains in a spoon who this is about. You just think you are being noble standing up for what is right when you are actually clueless as to the who is who and right from wrong. The great noble and clueless white male. That's you. Charge on!

Since I'm one of many forced to fund handouts for leeches, it is about me.

This white male earned what he has unlike many of your kind who are born bastards from mothers who don't know which dick they let have put in them produced the little bastard.

You are an angry white male. You will probably die alone and broke. You probably don't own your house. You probably don't own your car. You have a little money put away in a bank where it could evaporate before the mail arrives this morning. And the best part, is you are fighting for your own destruction. I am sure you are very intelligent and very productive and that is why you are a puppet in their crosshairs. You will work all your life and end up with nothing. Blame it on the poor you fool.

Yeah?

Well, you're ughly. ...

 

[Conservative65]

They weren't taken from someone else at gunpoint like welfare is, you blood sucking tick.

Quiet white boy. They are coming for your lunch money.

The greedy? You mean children of parent's who won't provide for their own kid's education? How is expecting someone to do what I have already done greedy?

I'm tired of hearing people who don't do what's expected of them demand others be forced to do it for them.

And this is not even about you. You think you are well off. You're one major hit away from that shithole you fear so much. It is the rich who is feeding you your brains in a spoon who this is about. You just think you are being noble standing up for what is right when you are actually clueless as to the who is who and right from wrong. The great noble and clueless white male. That's you. Charge on!

Since I'm one of many forced to fund handouts for leeches, it is about me.

This white male earned what he has unlike many of your kind who are born bastards from mothers who don't know which dick they let have put in them produced the little bastard.

You are an angry white male. You will probably die alone and broke. You probably don't own your house. You probably don't own your car. You have a little money put away in a bank where it could evaporate before the mail arrives this morning. And the best part, is you are fighting for your own destruction. I am sure you are very intelligent and very productive and that is why you are a puppet in their crosshairs. You will work all your life and end up with nothing. Blame it on the poor you fool.

You sure do predict a lot of things for which you have no clue.

The best part about me is that I support myself and always have unlike you porch monkeys.

You are inside a failing system. You will not, because you can not, get out of it. The fact that you are fighting to stay in it is a testament to the power of persuasion.

I've been successful following the personal responsibility system I practice. Why would I get out of something that has provided great success for me?

 

[NightFox]

You are inside a failing system. You will not, because you can not, get out of it. The fact that you are fighting to stay in it is a testament to the power of persuasion.

Begs the question, what are the specifics of your alternative to the "failing system"?

 

[Correll]

They weren't taken from someone else at gunpoint like welfare is, you blood sucking tick.

Quiet white boy. They are coming for your lunch money.

The greedy? You mean children of parent's who won't provide for their own kid's education? How is expecting someone to do what I have already done greedy?

I'm tired of hearing people who don't do what's expected of them demand others be forced to do it for them.

And this is not even about you. You think you are well off. You're one major hit away from that shithole you fear so much. It is the rich who is feeding you your brains in a spoon who this is about. You just think you are being noble standing up for what is right when you are actually clueless as to the who is who and right from wrong. The great noble and clueless white male. That's you. Charge on!

Since I'm one of many forced to fund handouts for leeches, it is about me.

This white male earned what he has unlike many of your kind who are born bastards from mothers who don't know which dick they let have put in them produced the little bastard.

You are an angry white male. You will probably die alone and broke. You probably don't own your house. You probably don't own your car. You have a little money put away in a bank where it could evaporate before the mail arrives this morning. And the best part, is you are fighting for your own destruction. I am sure you are very intelligent and very productive and that is why you are a puppet in their crosshairs. You will work all your life and end up with nothing. Blame it on the poor you fool.

You sure do predict a lot of things for which you have no clue.

The best part about me is that I support myself and always have unlike you porch monkeys.

You are inside a failing system. You will not, because you can not, get out of it. The fact that you are fighting to stay in it is a testament to the power of persuasion.

The fact that we are "fighting" to stay is a testament to the fact that this system is superior to any alternative that has been offered.

 

[RandomVariable]

They weren't taken from someone else at gunpoint like welfare is, you blood sucking tick.

Quiet white boy. They are coming for your lunch money.

If the definition of angry white male means someone that supports himself, his family, and doesn't expect the government to do for him what he does for himself, that's OK.

But the government does provide services for you which you use, correct?

 

[RandomVariable]

Quiet white boy. They are coming for your lunch money.

And this is not even about you. You think you are well off. You're one major hit away from that shithole you fear so much. It is the rich who is feeding you your brains in a spoon who this is about. You just think you are being noble standing up for what is right when you are actually clueless as to the who is who and right from wrong. The great noble and clueless white male. That's you. Charge on!

Since I'm one of many forced to fund handouts for leeches, it is about me.

This white male earned what he has unlike many of your kind who are born bastards from mothers who don't know which dick they let have put in them produced the little bastard.

You are an angry white male. You will probably die alone and broke. You probably don't own your house. You probably don't own your car. You have a little money put away in a bank where it could evaporate before the mail arrives this morning. And the best part, is you are fighting for your own destruction. I am sure you are very intelligent and very productive and that is why you are a puppet in their crosshairs. You will work all your life and end up with nothing. Blame it on the poor you fool.

You sure do predict a lot of things for which you have no clue.

The best part about me is that I support myself and always have unlike you porch monkeys.

You are inside a failing system. You will not, because you can not, get out of it. The fact that you are fighting to stay in it is a testament to the power of persuasion.

The fact that we are "fighting" to stay is a testament to the fact that this system is superior to any alternative that has been offered.

This is system is "superior" to any other system. I would like you to spend the rest of your morning thinking this statement over and let me know what you have figured out by lunch, OK? (I will give you a little starter; For whom is this system superior?)

 

[RandomVariable]

You are inside a failing system. You will not, because you can not, get out of it. The fact that you are fighting to stay in it is a testament to the power of persuasion.

Begs the question, what are the specifics of your alternative to the "failing system"?

Maybe we would be debating specifics of alternatives if megacorps and financial service industries were not pouring buckets of money into elections. Even CNN's debates were a whitewash of problems facing this country. Shameful.

 

[bedowin62]

nobody on the right is for no government; and the programs being run by the government providing services which we used dont HAVE to be run by the government.
libs are morons incapable of debate without using straw man arguements.

 

[Correll]

Since I'm one of many forced to fund handouts for leeches, it is about me.

This white male earned what he has unlike many of your kind who are born bastards from mothers who don't know which dick they let have put in them produced the little bastard.

You are an angry white male. You will probably die alone and broke. You probably don't own your house. You probably don't own your car. You have a little money put away in a bank where it could evaporate before the mail arrives this morning. And the best part, is you are fighting for your own destruction. I am sure you are very intelligent and very productive and that is why you are a puppet in their crosshairs. You will work all your life and end up with nothing. Blame it on the poor you fool.

You sure do predict a lot of things for which you have no clue.

The best part about me is that I support myself and always have unlike you porch monkeys.

You are inside a failing system. You will not, because you can not, get out of it. The fact that you are fighting to stay in it is a testament to the power of persuasion.

The fact that we are "fighting" to stay is a testament to the fact that this system is superior to any alternative that has been offered.

This is system is "superior" to any other system. I would like you to spend the rest of your morning thinking this statement over and let me know what you have figured out by lunch, OK? (I will give you a little starter; For whom is this system superior?)

To the vast majority of the American people.


I know of no other system that would give such prosperity and freedom to the citizens of this nation.

 

[bedowin62]

You are inside a failing system. You will not, because you can not, get out of it. The fact that you are fighting to stay in it is a testament to the power of persuasion.

Begs the question, what are the specifics of your alternative to the "failing system"?

Maybe we would be debating specifics of alternatives if megacorps and financial service industries were not pouring buckets of money into elections. Even CNN's debates were a whitewash of problems facing this country. Shameful.

it's just so much easier to chant "CHANGE!!", look at the idiot it got us for seven years running right now.
Of course the same people that chanted for change want things to remain in the hands of the same people, in the same manner as what we have now.

 

[Correll]

You are inside a failing system. You will not, because you can not, get out of it. The fact that you are fighting to stay in it is a testament to the power of persuasion.

Begs the question, what are the specifics of your alternative to the "failing system"?

Maybe we would be debating specifics of alternatives if megacorps and financial service industries were not pouring buckets of money into elections. Even CNN's debates were a whitewash of problems facing this country. Shameful.

Sounds like someone is afraid to be honest about their agenda.

 

[bedowin62]

the people crying about the influence of money in elections have outraised and outspent the people that didnt whine about it.