School Staff JAILED for Not Reporting

[SweetSue92]

So what is the issue here, then?

The very same conservatives who are full-throated parents rights folks see no inconsistency in their stance on this issue. In this case, this report should have gone directly to the parents according to THEIR worldview.

But no they think these teachers/admin deserve JAIL for not reporting fast enough. Even though, again, this is not a mandatory reporter situation.

 

[SweetSue92]

You are conflating two separate issues here.

Oh indeed. Don't be the village--

Until we want you to. Then, you'd better be the village exactly right and fast enough--

OR TO JAIL

 

[Mushroom]

WE ARE NOT 'MANDATORY REPORTERS' for that.

You are not?

Care to explain how you are not a mandatory reporter, based purely on who does the attack or where?

 

[SweetSue92]

Many states have mandatory reporting laws on this.
Example : https://programsforminors.utk.edu/w...1/TENNESSEE-LAW-ON-MANDATORY-REPORTING-OF.pdf

Seems nebulous at best in context. Note too that not reporting to police is a crime for parents. Why should teachers have to bear that burden instead of the parents doing the reporting?

What is child abuse and neglect?​

Physical Abuse - Non-accidental physical trauma or injury inflicted by a parent or caretaker on a child. It also includes a parent's or a caretaker's failure to protect a child from another person who perpetrated physical abuse on a child. In its most severe form, physical abuse is likely to cause great bodily harm or death.

Neglect - Failure to provide for a child's physical survival needs to the extent that there is harm or risk of harm to the child's health or safety. This may include, but is not limited to abandonment, lack of supervision, lack of adequate nutrition that places the child below the normal growth curve, lack of shelter, lack of medical or dental that results in health-threatening conditions, and the inability to meet basic clothing needs of a child. In its most severe form, physical neglect may result in great bodily harm or death.

Sexual Abuse - Includes penetration or external touching of a child's intimate parts, oral sex with a child, indecent exposure or any other sexual act performed in a child's presence for sexual gratification, sexual use of a child for prostitution, and the manufacturing of child pornography. Child sexual abuse is also the willful failure of the parent or the child's caretaker to make a reasonable effort to stop child sexual abuse by another person.

Psychological Harm - A repeated pattern of caregiver behavior or extreme incident(s) that convey to children that they are worthless, flawed, unloved, unwanted, endangered, or only of value in meeting another's needs and may include both abusive acts against a child and failure to act, or neglectful behavior when age-appropriate action is required for a child's health development. It can occur as part of a one-time incident but is usually chronic.

Tennessee Child Abuse Hotline FAQ

www.tn.gov

 

[White 6]

They reported it, azzwipe.

I did not see where they had reported it to police or other child care agencies. If that is the that case, I would have no idea why they are catching hell, since it did not occur on school property.

 

[SweetSue92]

You are not?

Care to explain how you are not a mandatory reporter, based purely on who does the attack or where?

Go up the thread and read it. Yes. Child abuse is a specific legal definition. We are mandatory reporters for child abuse.

 

[SweetSue92]

I did not see where they had reported it to police or other child care agencies. If that is the that case, I would have no idea why they are catching hell, since it did not occur on school property.

It did not happen on school time
It did not happen on school property
It was a second hand account from another student, that a girl was having "trouble with boys" and was being assaulted
These folks on this board think the teachers should go to JAIL for not reporting this fast enough
It's not child abuse and we're not mandatory reporters for that
And it expressly contradicts their "parents rights" stance. This should have gone to the parents.

 

[hadit]

A good math teacher... especially at the grammar school level should be paid a minimum of 250k/year...based on results. Math is the key to all science. Same thing goes for physics, chemistry and mech engineering

Our treatment of teaching as a poorly paid position started when public education began. At that time, teachers were young, unattached women. Look at the requirements, for example, for being a teacher in 1920. Considering that teachers were young women without families, it's no wonder that they were paid very little. They're still not highly paid, and part of that is due to the union that doesn't allow for the best to be paid very well.

 

[TNHarley]

This is the state in question, Florida. In light of this, I bet the case gets thrown out.

Any person who knows, or has reasonable cause to suspect, that a child is abused, abandoned, or neglected by a parent, legal custodian, caregiver, or other person responsible for the child's welfare is a mandatory reporter. § 39.201(1)(a).

https://www.flcourts.gov/content/download/216146/file/3-Mandatory-Reporting-of-Abuse-Checklist-2017.pdf

So you dont think that would apply to grown men who are strangers raping little girls?
Of course it does. Here is the actual law.

Chapter 39 Section 201 - 2020 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

www.flsenate.gov

You dont know who was doing the assaulting. And neither did the school personnel, apparently.

 

[TNHarley]

The very same conservatives who are full-throated parents rights folks see no inconsistency in their stance on this issue. In this case, this report should have gone directly to the parents according to THEIR worldview.

But no they think these teachers/admin deserve JAIL for not reporting fast enough. Even though, again, this is not a mandatory reporter situation.

Apparently it is. They dont know who was doing the assaulting and they are REQUIRED BY LAW to report it immediately to law enforcement.

 

[TNHarley]

I did not see where they had reported it to police or other child care agencies. If that is the that case, I would have no idea why they are catching hell, since it did not occur on school property.

Doesnt have to. That state has a mandatory reporting law. Just like we do.

 

[TNHarley]

It did not happen on school time
It did not happen on school property
It was a second hand account from another student, that a girl was having "trouble with boys" and was being assaulted
These folks on this board think the teachers should go to JAIL for not reporting this fast enough
It's not child abuse and we're not mandatory reporters for that
And it expressly contradicts their "parents rights" stance. This should have gone to the parents.

From Floridas actual law, and not some "checklist"
(b) Any person who knows, or who has reasonable cause to suspect, that a child is abused by an adult other than a parent, legal custodian, caregiver, or other person responsible for the child’s welfare, as defined in this chapter, shall report such knowledge or suspicion to the department in the manner prescribed in subsection (2).

 

[SweetSue92]

So you dont think that would apply to grown men who are strangers raping little girls?
Of course it does. Here is the actual law.

Chapter 39 Section 201 - 2020 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

www.flsenate.gov

You dont know who was doing the assaulting. And neither did the school personnel, apparently.

From your very link, it looks like teen sexual assaults are exactly what they DO NOT want reported. It would destroy the system. Here:

Any person who knows, or has reasonable cause to suspect, that a child is abused, abandoned, or neglected by a parent, legal custodian, caregiver, or other person responsible for the child’s welfare, as defined in this chapter, or that a child is in need of supervision and care and has no parent, legal custodian, or responsible adult relative immediately known and available to provide supervision and care shall report such knowledge or suspicion to the department in the manner prescribed in subsection (2).
The bolded part is NOT a teenager.

And yes, we would be legally obligated to report child abuse even by a stranger ADULT. Read:

Any person who knows, or who has reasonable cause to suspect, that a child is abused by an adult other than a parent, legal custodian, caregiver, or other person responsible for the child’s welfare, as defined in this chapter, shall report such knowledge or suspicion to the department in the manner prescribed in subsection (2).

 

[SweetSue92]

From Floridas actual law, and not some "checklist"
(b) Any person who knows, or who has reasonable cause to suspect, that a child is abused by an adult other than a parent, legal custodian, caregiver, or other person responsible for the child’s welfare, as defined in this chapter, shall report such knowledge or suspicion to the department in the manner prescribed in subsection (2).

Sure. As I said, ADULT. So if a child told me he/she was being abused by an adult, you bet I'm reporting it.

But this wasn't it. Both teenagers. And yes, we know it was both teens, because one of the teens was a son of another staff at the school. A student.

 

[justoffal]

From Floridas actual law, and not some "checklist"
(b) Any person who knows, or who has reasonable cause to suspect, that a child is abused by an adult other than a parent, legal custodian, caregiver, or other person responsible for the child’s welfare, as defined in this chapter, shall report such knowledge or suspicion to the department in the manner prescribed in subsection (2).

WTF? Other than???

 

[White 6]

It did not happen on school time
It did not happen on school property
It was a second hand account from another student, that a girl was having "trouble with boys" and was being assaulted
These folks on this board think the teachers should go to JAIL for not reporting this fast enough
It's not child abuse and we're not mandatory reporters for that
And it expressly contradicts their "parents rights" stance. This should have gone to the parents.

Not on school property or during school time is what I thought. If they get information of a rape or other forced sexual contact, I would think it would be reportable, not required for school follow-up or school investigation. Yes, parents should have been relayed the report.

I didn't know you were a teacher or school admin staff. Thanks for what you do.

 

[SweetSue92]

Doesnt have to. That state has a mandatory reporting law. Just like we do.

You mandatory report things to CPS or your state's equivalent. Because it's CHILD ABUSE. They do the investigation.

 

[SweetSue92]

Not on school property or during school time is what I thought. If they get information of a rape or other forced sexual contact, I would think it would be reportable, not required for school follow-up or school investigation. Yes, parents should have been relayed the report.

I didn't know you were a teacher or school admin staff. Thanks for what you do.

Thank you. At least one reasonable person on this board.

If we were "mandatory reporters" for every escapade we got wind of between TEENS?

Really?

PS I am not saying we don't pursue these reports--but we do get parents involved FIRST. The parents rights folks around here don't like that I guess. Shocker.

 

[White 6]

Doesnt have to. That state has a mandatory reporting law. Just like we do.

I would have thought it mandatory report to police of child care authorities also.

 

[TNHarley]

From your very link, it looks like teen sexual assaults are exactly what they DO NOT want reported. It would destroy the system. Here:

Any person who knows, or has reasonable cause to suspect, that a child is abused, abandoned, or neglected by a parent, legal custodian, caregiver, or other person responsible for the child’s welfare, as defined in this chapter, or that a child is in need of supervision and care and has no parent, legal custodian, or responsible adult relative immediately known and available to provide supervision and care shall report such knowledge or suspicion to the department in the manner prescribed in subsection (2).
The bolded part is NOT a teenager.

And yes, we would be legally obligated to report child abuse even by a stranger ADULT. Read:

Any person who knows, or who has reasonable cause to suspect, that a child is abused by an adult other than a parent, legal custodian, caregiver, or other person responsible for the child’s welfare, as defined in this chapter, shall report such knowledge or suspicion to the department in the manner prescribed in subsection (2).

The article doesnt mention the age at all.