SEan Hannity Says May Be Time for a New Conservative Party

[JimBowie1958]

Sean Hannity threatens: ?It?s time for a third party? The GOP is useless | Right Wing News

“This is it for me. Either they do everything they can do to stop Obamacare– or frankly, in my mind, it’s time for a third party. This is now their moment of truth. We’re going to learn who the real conservatives are. And we’re going to learn who the real establishment people are. And then we’re going to have to act accordingly”.

First Palin, then Levin and now Hannity...all that is really remaining is for Limbaugh to call for a new conservative party and you have the four biggest leaders of the conservative faction of this country calling for a new party.

Hell, I might even vote for it! lol

 

[longknife]

I think they're way off base!

What this country needs is a Moderate Party!

 

[bodecea]

Sean Hannity threatens: ?It?s time for a third party? The GOP is useless | Right Wing News

“This is it for me. Either they do everything they can do to stop Obamacare– or frankly, in my mind, it’s time for a third party. This is now their moment of truth. We’re going to learn who the real conservatives are. And we’re going to learn who the real establishment people are. And then we’re going to have to act accordingly”.

First Palin, then Levin and now Hannity...all that is really remaining is for Limbaugh to call for a new conservative party and you have the four biggest leaders of the conservative faction of this country calling for a new party.

Hell, I might even vote for it! lol

Excellent Idea. He should start it. I understand he has more free time now.

 

[ScienceRocks]

He can form the extreme tea-party The republican party can become the party of the moderates that love science, tech and infrastructure

 

[J.E.D]

I'm still waiting on him to get water-boarded like he said he would.

 

[R.C. Christian]

A party of conservative principles and not this Karl Rove bullshit. A party that is firm on pro life, limited government, and against foreign entanglements. That's just the beginning.

 

[Moonglow]

only thing is that the two parties in power have made it very difficult to have any power base with any other party but the two in power now.

 

[ScienceRocks]

A party of conservative principles and not this Karl Rove bullshit. A party that is firm on pro life, limited government, and against foreign entanglements. That's just the beginning.

A party that hates being number 1# in science and technology?

Any party that wants to leave out those can expect to lose.

 

[R.C. Christian]

A party of conservative principles and not this Karl Rove bullshit. A party that is firm on pro life, limited government, and against foreign entanglements. That's just the beginning.

A party that hates being number 1# in science and technology?

Any party that wants to leave out those can expect to lose.

I'm not certain I understand where you are going with this. How does the right wing limit technology?

 

[JimBowie1958]

A party of conservative principles and not this Karl Rove bullshit. A party that is firm on pro life, limited government, and against foreign entanglements. That's just the beginning.

A party that hates being number 1# in science and technology?

Any party that wants to leave out those can expect to lose.

WTF are you talking about Matthew?

I get you think the GOP is anti science, but what specific issues are driving that hair up your ass?

 

[nia588]

Yes one that doesn't involve him and the rest of the fox news clowns.

Republican party needs to clean house and get a makeover

 

[Pogo]

only thing is that the two parties in power have made it very difficult to have any power base with any other party but the two in power now.

Quite true -- it's mathematically impossible to form a third party since you have to first have two other parties.

 

[JimBowie1958]

only thing is that the two parties in power have made it very difficult to have any power base with any other party but the two in power now.

Quite true -- it's mathematically impossible to form a third party since you have to first have two other parties.

Lol, damn, Pogo, that's Twice I have agreed with you.

Cut it out.

 

[Toro]

A dozen years in the wilderness and out of power, and this whole thing would collapse like a house of cards in a hurricane.

 

[editec]

Sean Hannity threatens: ?It?s time for a third party? The GOP is useless | Right Wing News

“This is it for me. Either they do everything they can do to stop Obamacare– or frankly, in my mind, it’s time for a third party. This is now their moment of truth. We’re going to learn who the real conservatives are. And we’re going to learn who the real establishment people are. And then we’re going to have to act accordingly”.

First Palin, then Levin and now Hannity...all that is really remaining is for Limbaugh to call for a new conservative party and you have the four biggest leaders of the conservative faction of this country calling for a new party.

Hell, I might even vote for it! lol

The so-called conservative movement has ALWAYS been at least two (I think at least 3) very different groups of people.

there are the so called conservatives of the GOP's leadership...they're basically what some of ya'll call SOCIALISTS or STATISTS, since they want nothing more than control over society BY government.

Then there's the social conservatives whose mission is to return our society back to the values of the early 1950s.

Finally there's the Libertarians who are idealistically enamored with the concept of FREEDOM of the INDIVIDUAL.

Working in collaboration, they are an enormously powerful political force, but when they gain power (and the MASTERS of the GOP are in charge) both the LIBERTARIANS and the SOCIAL CONS tend to feel like they are now being governed by STRANGERS.

 

[JimBowie1958]

A dozen years in the wilderness and out of power, and this whole thing would collapse like a house of cards in a hurricane.

Except history shows you are likely wrong.

The conservative base of the Republican Party is what wins elections, while the wealthy elite from the east and social elites rule with an iron fist, witness their brutal suppression of the Ron Paul Libertarians in Louisiana and Alaska for the most dramatic examples. The elite will break any rules, use cops to engage in thuggery on their behalf, bribe bus drivers to take delegates into aimless circles of travel to keep them from voting on crucial issues, etc.

It is way past time for conservatives to tell the GOPe to shove it all up their asses and then start a new party, and there are examples of successful party rebellions that paid off in the long run.

Conservative Party of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Conservative Party's popular support waned (particularly in western Canada) during difficult economic times from the 1920s to 1940s, as it was seen by many in the west as an eastern establishment party which ignored the needs of the citizens of Western Canada. Westerners of multiple political convictions including small-"c" conservatives saw the party as being uninterested in the economically unstable Prairie regions of the west at the time and instead holding close ties with the business elite of Ontario and Quebec. As a result of western alienation both the dominant Conservative and Liberal parties were challenged in the west by the rise of a number of protest parties ...

In 1984, the Progressive Conservative Party's electoral fortunes made a massive upturn under its new leader, Brian Mulroney, an anglophone Quebecer and former president of the Iron Ore Company of Canada, who mustered a large coalition of westerners, aggravated over the National Energy Program of the Liberal government, suburban and small-town Ontarians, and soft Quebec nationalists, who were angered over Quebec not having distinct status in the Constitution of Canada signed in 1982.[32][33] This led to a huge landslide victory for the Progressive Conservative Party. Progressive Conservatives abandoned protectionism which the party had held strongly to in the past and which had aggravated westerners and businesses and fully espoused free trade with the United States and integrating Canada into a globalized economy....

In the late 1980s and 1990s, federal conservative politics became split by the creation of a new western-based protest party, the populist and social conservative Reform Party of Canada created by Preston Manning, son of Alberta Social Credit Premier Ernest Manning. It advocated deep decentralization of government power, abolition of official bilingualism and multiculturalism, democratization of the Canadian Senate, and suggested a potential return to capital punishment, and advocated significant privatization of public services.[citation needed] Westerners reportedly felt betrayed by the federal Progressive Conservative Party (PC), seeing it as catering to Quebec and urban Ontario interests over theirs....

By the 1990s, Mulroney had failed to bring about Senate reform as he had promised (appointing a number of Senators in 1990). As well, social conservatives were dissatisfied with Mulroney's social progressivism. Canadians in general were furious with high unemployment, high debt and deficit, unpopular implementation of the Goods and Services Tax (GST) in 1991, and the failed constitutional reforms of the Meech Lake and Charlottetown accords. In 1993, support for the Progressive Conservative Party collapsed, and the party's representation in the House of Commons dropped from an absolute majority of seats to only two seats. The 1993 results were the worst electoral disaster in Canadian history, and the Progressive Conservatives never fully recovered....

From 1993 to 2006, the Liberal Party of Canada was able to win three consecutive majority governments, followed by one minority government under Paul Martin. Also during this time was a period of infighting between Progressive Conservatives and the up-and-coming Reform Party. These two conservative parties fighting allowed the Liberal Party to remain in government, and even resulted in the separatist Bloc Québécois to become the Official Opposition.

Conservatives began to notice that the only way to defeat the incumbent Liberals was to Unite the Right – to form one unified conservative party which could defeat the Liberals.

Merger agreement
In 2003, the Canadian Alliance (formerly the Reform Party) and Progressive Conservative parties agreed to merge into the present-day Conservative Party, with the Alliance faction conceding its populist ideals and some social conservative elements.

On 15 October 2003, after closed-door meetings were held by the Canadian Alliance and Progressive Conservative Party, Stephen Harper (then the leader of the Canadian Alliance) and Peter MacKay (then the leader of the Progressive Conservatives) announced the "'Conservative Party Agreement-in-Principle", thereby merging their parties to create the new Conservative Party of Canada. After several months of talks between two teams of "emissaries", consisting of Don Mazankowski, Bill Davis and Loyola Hearn on behalf of the PCs and Ray Speaker Senator Gerry St. Germain and Scott Reid on behalf of the Alliance, the deal came to be.

On 5 December 2003 the Agreement-in-Principle was ratified by the membership of the Alliance by a margin of 96% to 4% in a national referendum conducted by postal ballot. On 6 December the PC Party held a series of regional conventions, at which delegates ratified the Agreement-in-Principle by a margin of 90% to 10%. On 7 December, the new party was officially registered with Elections Canada. ...

This allowed the Conservatives to be more prepared for the race, unlike the 2000 federal election when few predicted the early election call. For the first time since the 1993 federal election, a Liberal government would have to deal with a united conservative front. The Liberals attempted to counter this with an early election call, as this would give the Conservatives less time to consolidate their merger. During the first half of the campaign, polls showed a rise in support for the new party, leading some pollsters to predict the election of a minority Conservative government...

(2006 election)In response to the growing Conservative lead, the Liberals launched negative ads suggesting that Harper had a "hidden agenda", similar to the attacks made in the 2004 election. The Liberal ads did not have the same effect this time as the Conservatives had much more momentum, at one stage holding a ten-point lead. Harper's personal numbers continued to rise and polls found he was considered not only more trustworthy, but also a better potential Prime Minister than Paul Martin. In addition to the Conservatives being more disciplined, media coverage of the Conservatives was also more positive than in 2004. By contrast, the Liberals found themselves increasingly criticized for running a poor campaign and making numerous gaffes.[citation needed]

On 23 January 2006, the Conservatives won 124 seats, compared to 103 for the Liberals. The results made the Conservatives the largest party in the 308-member House of Commons, enabling them to form a minority government. On 6 February, Harper was sworn in as the 22nd Prime Minister of Canada, along with his Cabinet....

(2011) The Conservative party was elected with a majority government (166 seats) on 2 May 2011, the first time any party had won a majority since the Liberals in 2000 and the first time that a conservative party had a majority since the PCs in 1988.

Conservatives do not need the GOPe, the GOPe needs conservative voters, and since 1988 they have lied to and deceived conservatives about what they are all about, while wrapping themselves in the mantle of Ronald Reagan.

It is time to end the farce, since there is no difference between voting for McCain and Romney on one hand and voting for Obama on the other. The GOPe wants the same thing the Democrat neoMarxists want; more federal power, more taxation, more regulatory control over the population, chipping away at gun rights and intervention in every fucking country where two people are shooting at each other all in the name of humanity, and end up making everything ten times worse.

And if the GOP does not rebound after a period 'in the Wilderness' that's fine by me since the current bunch of lying fucks are not doing anything worth a shit any way.

 

[Toro]

A dozen years in the wilderness and out of power, and this whole thing would collapse like a house of cards in a hurricane.

Except history shows you are likely wrong.

The conservative base of the Republican Party is what wins elections, while the wealthy elite from the east and social elites rule with an iron fist, witness their brutal suppression of the Ron Paul Libertarians in Louisiana and Alaska for the most dramatic examples. The elite will break any rules, use cops to engage in thuggery on their behalf, bribe bus drivers to take delegates into aimless circles of travel to keep them from voting on crucial issues, etc.

It is way past time for conservatives to tell the GOPe to shove it all up their asses and then start a new party, and there are examples of successful party rebellions that paid off in the long run.

Conservative Party of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Conservative Party's popular support waned (particularly in western Canada) during difficult economic times from the 1920s to 1940s, as it was seen by many in the west as an eastern establishment party which ignored the needs of the citizens of Western Canada. Westerners of multiple political convictions including small-"c" conservatives saw the party as being uninterested in the economically unstable Prairie regions of the west at the time and instead holding close ties with the business elite of Ontario and Quebec. As a result of western alienation both the dominant Conservative and Liberal parties were challenged in the west by the rise of a number of protest parties ...

In 1984, the Progressive Conservative Party's electoral fortunes made a massive upturn under its new leader, Brian Mulroney, an anglophone Quebecer and former president of the Iron Ore Company of Canada, who mustered a large coalition of westerners, aggravated over the National Energy Program of the Liberal government, suburban and small-town Ontarians, and soft Quebec nationalists, who were angered over Quebec not having distinct status in the Constitution of Canada signed in 1982.[32][33] This led to a huge landslide victory for the Progressive Conservative Party. Progressive Conservatives abandoned protectionism which the party had held strongly to in the past and which had aggravated westerners and businesses and fully espoused free trade with the United States and integrating Canada into a globalized economy....

In the late 1980s and 1990s, federal conservative politics became split by the creation of a new western-based protest party, the populist and social conservative Reform Party of Canada created by Preston Manning, son of Alberta Social Credit Premier Ernest Manning. It advocated deep decentralization of government power, abolition of official bilingualism and multiculturalism, democratization of the Canadian Senate, and suggested a potential return to capital punishment, and advocated significant privatization of public services.[citation needed] Westerners reportedly felt betrayed by the federal Progressive Conservative Party (PC), seeing it as catering to Quebec and urban Ontario interests over theirs....

By the 1990s, Mulroney had failed to bring about Senate reform as he had promised (appointing a number of Senators in 1990). As well, social conservatives were dissatisfied with Mulroney's social progressivism. Canadians in general were furious with high unemployment, high debt and deficit, unpopular implementation of the Goods and Services Tax (GST) in 1991, and the failed constitutional reforms of the Meech Lake and Charlottetown accords. In 1993, support for the Progressive Conservative Party collapsed, and the party's representation in the House of Commons dropped from an absolute majority of seats to only two seats. The 1993 results were the worst electoral disaster in Canadian history, and the Progressive Conservatives never fully recovered....

From 1993 to 2006, the Liberal Party of Canada was able to win three consecutive majority governments, followed by one minority government under Paul Martin. Also during this time was a period of infighting between Progressive Conservatives and the up-and-coming Reform Party. These two conservative parties fighting allowed the Liberal Party to remain in government, and even resulted in the separatist Bloc Québécois to become the Official Opposition.

Conservatives began to notice that the only way to defeat the incumbent Liberals was to Unite the Right – to form one unified conservative party which could defeat the Liberals.

Merger agreement
In 2003, the Canadian Alliance (formerly the Reform Party) and Progressive Conservative parties agreed to merge into the present-day Conservative Party, with the Alliance faction conceding its populist ideals and some social conservative elements.

On 15 October 2003, after closed-door meetings were held by the Canadian Alliance and Progressive Conservative Party, Stephen Harper (then the leader of the Canadian Alliance) and Peter MacKay (then the leader of the Progressive Conservatives) announced the "'Conservative Party Agreement-in-Principle", thereby merging their parties to create the new Conservative Party of Canada. After several months of talks between two teams of "emissaries", consisting of Don Mazankowski, Bill Davis and Loyola Hearn on behalf of the PCs and Ray Speaker Senator Gerry St. Germain and Scott Reid on behalf of the Alliance, the deal came to be.

On 5 December 2003 the Agreement-in-Principle was ratified by the membership of the Alliance by a margin of 96% to 4% in a national referendum conducted by postal ballot. On 6 December the PC Party held a series of regional conventions, at which delegates ratified the Agreement-in-Principle by a margin of 90% to 10%. On 7 December, the new party was officially registered with Elections Canada. ...

This allowed the Conservatives to be more prepared for the race, unlike the 2000 federal election when few predicted the early election call. For the first time since the 1993 federal election, a Liberal government would have to deal with a united conservative front. The Liberals attempted to counter this with an early election call, as this would give the Conservatives less time to consolidate their merger. During the first half of the campaign, polls showed a rise in support for the new party, leading some pollsters to predict the election of a minority Conservative government...

(2006 election)In response to the growing Conservative lead, the Liberals launched negative ads suggesting that Harper had a "hidden agenda", similar to the attacks made in the 2004 election. The Liberal ads did not have the same effect this time as the Conservatives had much more momentum, at one stage holding a ten-point lead. Harper's personal numbers continued to rise and polls found he was considered not only more trustworthy, but also a better potential Prime Minister than Paul Martin. In addition to the Conservatives being more disciplined, media coverage of the Conservatives was also more positive than in 2004. By contrast, the Liberals found themselves increasingly criticized for running a poor campaign and making numerous gaffes.[citation needed]

On 23 January 2006, the Conservatives won 124 seats, compared to 103 for the Liberals. The results made the Conservatives the largest party in the 308-member House of Commons, enabling them to form a minority government. On 6 February, Harper was sworn in as the 22nd Prime Minister of Canada, along with his Cabinet....

(2011) The Conservative party was elected with a majority government (166 seats) on 2 May 2011, the first time any party had won a majority since the Liberals in 2000 and the first time that a conservative party had a majority since the PCs in 1988.

Conservatives do not need the GOPe, the GOPe needs conservative voters, and since 1988 they have lied to and deceived conservatives about what they are all about, while wrapping themselves in the mantle of Ronald Reagan.

It is time to end the farce, since there is no difference between voting for McCain and Romney on one hand and voting for Obama on the other. The GOPe wants the same thing the Democrat neoMarxists want; more federal power, more taxation, more regulatory control over the population, chipping away at gun rights and intervention in every fucking country where two people are shooting at each other all in the name of humanity, and end up making everything ten times worse.

And if the GOP does not rebound after a period 'in the Wilderness' that's fine by me since the current bunch of lying fucks are not doing anything worth a shit any way.

I was an active member of the Progressive Conservative and Reform Parties in Canada, and sat on national and provincial committees. Your Canadian analogy is wrong.

It's a conservative fantasy to believe that becoming more conservative is the key to winning the Presidency. It is massive confirmation bias on the part of right-wing ideologues to believe that a conservative candidate who can't win in the more conservative Republican primaries can win in the more liberal national election.

So what about Mr. Cruz's claim that "strong conservatives" always win?

In a sense, it's impossible to analyze since "strong conservatives," at least by today's tea party standards, so rarely win the party's presidential nomination. Other than Ronald Reagan—whose gubernatorial record of compromise on taxes, endorsement of legalized abortion and support for immigrants would have troubled today's right wing—the only unequivocal conservative to win the GOP nomination since Calvin Coolidge in 1924 has been Barry Goldwater, who carried only six states in a 1964 wipeout. ...

Candidates win nominations because they manage to mobilize more grass-roots support in key primaries than their rivals. So when outspoken conservatives such as Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain and Rick Perry failed to win enough backing to prevail with the Republican base in 2012, why would it make sense to expect them to do better with independents and moderates? If it's a question of personal appeal, why should their partisanship make them more appealing to non-Republicans? And if it's a matter of ideology, why would we expect such candidates to perform better with voters who don't share their conservative outlook than with voters who do?

This leaves one last argument: the claim that Mitt Romney and John McCain failed to beat Barack Obama because their nonideological campaigns led millions of disillusioned conservatives to stay home. Talk radio in particular trumpeted the story that Mr. Romney lost last year because "three million missing conservatives" failed to cast votes.

Electoral tabulations show that Mr. Romney's 2012 race had a higher percentage of self-identified "conservative" voters than contests involving any of his GOP predecessors. In 2012 exit polling, a record 35% of all voters described themselves as "conservative," compared with 28% who identified that way during Reagan's first landslide in 1980. Applying these percentages to the overall electorate, the Reagan-Carter race mobilized 24 million conservative voters, the Bush-Kerry race drew 42 million in 2004 and Romney vs. Obama easily topped them both with 45 million.

Reagan and Mr. Bush didn't win because they drew more conservatives. They won because they performed well with independents and moderates. Reagan beat Jimmy Carter among independents by 25 points, while Mr. McCain lost that group by eight points. The Gipper prevailed among moderates by six points, while Mr. Romney lost them by 15. ...

Michael Medved: The GOP's 'Strong Conservative' Electoral Fantasy - WSJ.com

So if you think a conservative party is more likely to win, go form one and walk the talk.

 

[whitehall]

Again the title doesn't match the news. Hannity did not say it's time for a 3rd party. He said the big "if". "If the GOP doesn't fight Obamacare". It's a mild threat to the GOP and should not be taken as a advocating a 3rd party as the desperate democrats would love to see.

 

[longknife]

It's ridiculous to try to compare Canada to the USA - they're totally different forms of government.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

A dozen years in the wilderness and out of power, and this whole thing would collapse like a house of cards in a hurricane.

Isn't that what we're seeing now? The party is falling apart, has been for a quite a while. Radical religious froot loops have taken over and the actual conservatives are dying out or just quitting.

They all hated each other during the primaries but that's as close as they've gotten to being honest. Except, that is, when Jindal accidentally told the truth - that they're The Party Of Stupid.