Seat Belts and Air Bags

[Wry Catcher]

Both seat belts and air bags as well as helments required for motorcycle riders and passengers were decried as big government interference.

Does anyone doubt they save lifes and the cost for medical care?

Did anyone claim these examples were a panacea for all fatal vehicle accidents?

Do all state governments require a driver's license? Do all states require the owner of a vehicle carry insurance on each vehicle owned?

So, what's the big deal for each state to choose whether a person who wishes to own, possess, or have in their custody and control a firearm be licensed and insured?

The USSC has ruled that the Second Amendment has limits, correct?

Gun owners will still retain the freedom to move to a state which decides not to regulate gun owners, correct?

Discuss rationally; remember there are new and IMO appropraite rules for posting on the Politics Forum.

 

[kwc57]

yawn

 

[Wacky Quacky]

The right wants to require IDs to vote, the left cries foul and that it infringes on a constitutional right.

The left wants to require a license to own a gun, the right cries foul and that it infringes on a constitutional right.

Tell you what, how about the left wing and the right wing stand in a small room together screaming at each other, and let the adults who are not partisan hacks run the country.

 

[Wry Catcher]

yawn

Rational? Not one bit.

 

[Spoonman]

Both seat belts and air bags as well as helments required for motorcycle riders and passengers were decried as big government interference.

Does anyone doubt they save lifes and the cost for medical care?

Did anyone claim these examples were a panacea for all fatal vehicle accidents?

Do all state governments require a driver's license? Do all states require the owner of a vehicle carry insurance on each vehicle owned?

So, what's the big deal for each state to choose whether a person who wishes to own, possess, or have in their custody and control a firearm be licensed and insured?

The USSC has ruled that the Second Amendment has limits, correct?

Gun owners will still retain the freedom to move to a state which decides not to regulate gun owners, correct?

Discuss rationally; remember there are new and IMO appropraite rules for posting on the Politics Forum.

so if a state decides they are going to limit freedom of speech our attitude should be well we are free to move to another state? and everyone will be ok with that? if a state decides some men are created more equal than others, those who are less equal would be free to relocate.

Driving is not a constitutional right. owning a firearm is and should not be restricted.

I guess we should also have a background check to vote and someone should determine whether that individual is fit to vote. and that voter should pay a fee for the right to excercise his constitutional right.

as long as we are applying regulations and restrictions equally here

 

[OriginalShroom]

I have no problem with the Government saying that Helmets, seat belts, and Airbags save lives.

I have a problem with the Government requiring their use or else they will punish you for not doing what they want.


Personally, I rarely ride without a helmet on. But I don't want, as happened, to be given a ticket for moving my bike from the garage to the end of drive without a ticket. ( I fought the ticket and won. The cop admitted he didn't see me on the road, but then I also had two witnesses. )

But if I should decide to ride without a helmet on, that is my right. I am well over the age of adulthood and am able to make such decisions for myself.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The right wants to require IDs to vote, the left cries foul and that it infringes on a constitutional right.

Apples and Aardvarks. How many people were killed by a vote last year?

The left wants to require a license to own a gun, the right cries foul and that it infringes on a constitutional right.

Tell you what, how about the left wing and the right wing stand in a small room together screaming at each other, and let the adults who are not partisan hacks run the country.

That's not rational either. The far right and moderates are already doing so. The far left (likely) wants guns.

 

[auditor0007]

I have no problem with the Government saying that Helmets, seat belts, and Airbags save lives.

I have a problem with the Government requiring their use or else they will punish you for not doing what they want.


Personally, I rarely ride without a helmet on. But I don't want, as happened, to be given a ticket for moving my bike from the garage to the end of drive without a ticket. ( I fought the ticket and won. The cop admitted he didn't see me on the road, but then I also had two witnesses. )

But if I should decide to ride without a helmet on, that is my right. I am well over the age of adulthood and am able to make such decisions for myself.

I agree that you should be permitted to ride without a helmet, so long as you pay for additional insurance to cover the cost of your medical care if you are seriously injured. Why should everyone else have to pick up the cost of your bad judgement?

 

[Wry Catcher]

I have no problem with the Government saying that Helmets, seat belts, and Airbags save lives.

I have a problem with the Government requiring their use or else they will punish you for not doing what they want.


Personally, I rarely ride without a helmet on. But I don't want, as happened, to be given a ticket for moving my bike from the garage to the end of drive without a ticket. ( I fought the ticket and won. The cop admitted he didn't see me on the road, but then I also had two witnesses. )

But if I should decide to ride without a helmet on, that is my right. I am well over the age of adulthood and am able to make such decisions for myself.

Doing so may not impact you alone. I worked with a women whose 16 year old son was fatally injured when a car ran a red light and knocked him off his motorcycle. He was not wearing a helmet and he lived for several months in a comma before he died. His mom and dad rented a camper and lived on the hospital grounds for the time. She was never the same. You and your family are lucky you only got a ticket.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I have no doubt about seat belts and airbags saving lives.

However, requiring everyone to have insurance for having a gun is simply absurd.

 

[OriginalShroom]

I have no problem with the Government saying that Helmets, seat belts, and Airbags save lives.

I have a problem with the Government requiring their use or else they will punish you for not doing what they want.


Personally, I rarely ride without a helmet on. But I don't want, as happened, to be given a ticket for moving my bike from the garage to the end of drive without a ticket. ( I fought the ticket and won. The cop admitted he didn't see me on the road, but then I also had two witnesses. )

But if I should decide to ride without a helmet on, that is my right. I am well over the age of adulthood and am able to make such decisions for myself.

I agree that you should be permitted to ride without a helmet, so long as you pay for additional insurance to cover the cost of your medical care if you are seriously injured. Why should everyone else have to pick up the cost of your bad judgement?

I am already required to carry insurance.

Tell me, should the Government inventory what food you have in your house and what you eat on a daily basis because it knows what is good for you?

Do you want the Government to come and weigh you every month and if you, according to them, weigh too much or too little, punish you for it?

When does my right to live my life as I want become your business?

 

[g5000]

Both seat belts and air bags as well as helments required for motorcycle riders and passengers were decried as big government interference.

Does anyone doubt they save lifes and the cost for medical care?

Did anyone claim these examples were a panacea for all fatal vehicle accidents?

Do all state governments require a driver's license? Do all states require the owner of a vehicle carry insurance on each vehicle owned?

So, what's the big deal for each state to choose whether a person who wishes to own, possess, or have in their custody and control a firearm be licensed and insured?

The USSC has ruled that the Second Amendment has limits, correct?

Gun owners will still retain the freedom to move to a state which decides not to regulate gun owners, correct?

Discuss rationally; remember there are new and IMO appropraite rules for posting on the Politics Forum.

Thank you for being a living demonstration of totalitarian thinking. Incremental government growth "for the good of the people". The attempt to get everyone to agree to the desirable end, which is necessarily followed by the means of government force which will be required to achieve that end. This is the new morality so prevalent from the right and left these days.

There are times when the slippery slope is a valid argument, and you just showed us the mindset that desires ever increasing government power.

 

[OriginalShroom]

I have no problem with the Government saying that Helmets, seat belts, and Airbags save lives.

I have a problem with the Government requiring their use or else they will punish you for not doing what they want.


Personally, I rarely ride without a helmet on. But I don't want, as happened, to be given a ticket for moving my bike from the garage to the end of drive without a ticket. ( I fought the ticket and won. The cop admitted he didn't see me on the road, but then I also had two witnesses. )

But if I should decide to ride without a helmet on, that is my right. I am well over the age of adulthood and am able to make such decisions for myself.

Doing so may not impact you alone. I worked with a women whose 16 year old son was fatally injured when a car ran a red light and knocked him off his motorcycle. He was not wearing a helmet and he lived for several months in a comma before he died. His mom and dad rented a camper and lived on the hospital grounds for the time. She was never the same. You and your family are lucky you only got a ticket.

So I should live in a bubble wrapped box for the rest of my life because someone else had a problem?

At what point does the Government intrusion into our private lives becomes too much?

You have Bloomberg rationing soda size and if women can get formula in hospitals after giving birth. Do you want him in your kitchen also?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Both seat belts and air bags as well as helments required for motorcycle riders and passengers were decried as big government interference.

Does anyone doubt they save lifes and the cost for medical care?

Did anyone claim these examples were a panacea for all fatal vehicle accidents?

Do all state governments require a driver's license? Do all states require the owner of a vehicle carry insurance on each vehicle owned?

So, what's the big deal for each state to choose whether a person who wishes to own, possess, or have in their custody and control a firearm be licensed and insured?

The USSC has ruled that the Second Amendment has limits, correct?

Gun owners will still retain the freedom to move to a state which decides not to regulate gun owners, correct?

Discuss rationally; remember there are new and IMO appropraite rules for posting on the Politics Forum.

so if a state decides they are going to limit freedom of speech our attitude should be well we are free to move to another state? and everyone will be ok with that? if a state decides some men are created more equal than others, those who are less equal would be free to relocate.

Remember to be rational. Speech can be restricted. Doubt me? Next time you fly tell the flight attendant you are pissed and want to bomb their planes.

Driving is not a constitutional right. owning a firearm is and should not be restricted.

That's not the issue, owning a firearm is restricted in some way today, and the USSC has ruled some restrictions are constitutional.

I guess we should also have a background check to vote and someone should determine whether that individual is fit to vote. and that voter should pay a fee for the right to excercise his constitutional right. Hyperbole isn't rational, it's rhetorical.

The issue of voting rights has been suppressed in the past and our Constitution has been amended to protect the right to vote.

as long as we are applying regulations and restrictions equally here

Bannans and Borscht

 

[Mad Scientist]

Both seat belts and air bags as well as helments required for motorcycle riders and passengers were decried as big government interference.

Seat Belts were an invention of Chevrolet and GM, not Big Government. In fact it was Robert McNamara that pushed them in 1956.

THEN the gov't made them mandatory.

 

[Spoonman]

I have no doubt about seat belts and airbags saving lives.

However, requiring everyone to have insurance for having a gun is simply absurd.

i was hit head on by a drunk driver. I wasn't wearing a seat belt and was thrown through the windshield. It was a good thing, because had i been wearing a seatbelt I would have had a steering column through my chest instead of it just going through the seat. i'll never wear a seatbelt.

 

[g5000]

I have no doubt about seat belts and airbags saving lives.

However, requiring everyone to have insurance for having a gun is simply absurd.

i was hit head on by a drunk driver. I wasn't wearing a seat belt and was thrown through the windshield. It was a good thing, because had i been wearing a seatbelt I would have had a steering column through my chest instead of it just going through the seat. i'll never wear a seatbelt.

Then you are a fool. The odds are much greater that wearing a seatbelt will save your life than not wearing one.

 

[Big Black Dog]

People are killed with knives every day. Should you have to have a license to own a knife and insurance?

Get real.

 

[Mr Natural]

The use of seatbelts and helments should be something the insurance companies police, not the government.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I have no problem with the Government saying that Helmets, seat belts, and Airbags save lives.

I have a problem with the Government requiring their use or else they will punish you for not doing what they want.


Personally, I rarely ride without a helmet on. But I don't want, as happened, to be given a ticket for moving my bike from the garage to the end of drive without a ticket. ( I fought the ticket and won. The cop admitted he didn't see me on the road, but then I also had two witnesses. )

But if I should decide to ride without a helmet on, that is my right. I am well over the age of adulthood and am able to make such decisions for myself.

Doing so may not impact you alone. I worked with a women whose 16 year old son was fatally injured when a car ran a red light and knocked him off his motorcycle. He was not wearing a helmet and he lived for several months in a comma before he died. His mom and dad rented a camper and lived on the hospital grounds for the time. She was never the same. You and your family are lucky you only got a ticket.

So I should live in a bubble wrapped box for the rest of my life because someone else had a problem?

At what point does the Government intrusion into our private lives becomes too much?

You have Bloomberg rationing soda size and if women can get formula in hospitals after giving birth. Do you want him in your kitchen also?

A classic Slippery Slope illogical argument. You can ride your bike and drink a 64 oz coke in one hand and a smoke in your other for all I care, doing so will likely not put two dozen others or more at risk.