Seriously.....Can Anybody Really Imagine Donald Trump As President?

A Rising Tide was supposed to Lift All Boats.

You ever walk down the streets of small town Rust Belt America and you will know that that did not happen.


That is the history of the last 40 years.

You're delving deeper and deeper into leftist ideology. The equally rising boats are opportunity, not handouts, comrade. Government taps you on the shoulder and gives you cash. Opportunity is what you earn. I was born in the rust belt and ended up doing great! Why? I left.

And again I addressed this. GOVERNMENT created the rust belt. And you are advocating giving government the power to further restrict our freedom to fix it. Yeah, that's going to happen ...


The Rising Tide was supposed to be increasing jobs and wages and lifestyles and socio-economic status.


"Opportunity" is a myth if Trade Policy removes all or even most of the good jobs from an area or a nation.

You managed to get a piece of a shrinking pie. Good for you.

Government taxes, tax structure and regulations are killing jobs. Repeating a lie that free trade harms the economy doesn't make it so. I'll believe my education and experience over you.

And again, you keep making sound like we are disagreeing on the fundamental point. I said Trump is anti-capitalist, anti-free trade. You are saying that is why you like him, not that I'm wrong

This country used tariffs for most of it's history to build up and retain industries. Formerly dirt poor Red China has been built on the loss of the US manufacturing job base. Now we have to buy stuff from them previously made in this country, and they have our dollars with which to buy our assets. Go Trump I say.

You are advocating 19th century economics. Do you want 19th century medicine too?

Why don't you just admit you're a liberal who wants Big Gubmint to redistribute wealth? You'll be intellectually honest if you do.


We already HAVE 19th century economics.

We are just playing the part of the various defeated nations that everyone else is making money off of.

Except we are doing it to ourselves.
 
The Rising Tide was supposed to be increasing jobs and wages and lifestyles and socio-economic status.


"Opportunity" is a myth if Trade Policy removes all or even most of the good jobs from an area or a nation.

You managed to get a piece of a shrinking pie. Good for you.

Government taxes, tax structure and regulations are killing jobs. Repeating a lie that free trade harms the economy doesn't make it so. I'll believe my education and experience over you.

And again, you keep making sound like we are disagreeing on the fundamental point. I said Trump is anti-capitalist, anti-free trade. You are saying that is why you like him, not that I'm wrong

This country used tariffs for most of it's history to build up and retain industries. Formerly dirt poor Red China has been built on the loss of the US manufacturing job base. Now we have to buy stuff from them previously made in this country, and they have our dollars with which to buy our assets. Go Trump I say.

You are advocating 19th century economics. Do you want 19th century medicine too?

Why don't you just admit you're a liberal who wants Big Gubmint to redistribute wealth? You'll be intellectually honest if you do.

This country had tariffs well into the 20th Century. Have you noticed how China was a third world country until the USA job market moved there? Do you think China doesn't protect it's manufacturing sector also? Big gubmint redistributes wealth to certain sectors here also. It subsidizes big agriculture for one. One reason why Mexico farming sector went down the tubes after Nafta. There's really no free market after all.

You sound like a liberal.

Why do you hate liberty and capitalism?

You Democrats always have.


Allowing our rivals to use unfair trade to fuck US is not conservatism.

Nor is it "Free TRade".
 
when did you live? Reagan was the best president in my lifetime and Obama is by far the worst.

sorry, I should have said Obozo since you said Raygun.

I agree, except W was arm in arm with Oboozer as the worst. They're twins. Same policies, both spend like drunk sailors and get the military in everyone's shit


there is one very significant difference. Bush loved the USA, Obama hates it.

I am not saying they are the same as people. I am saying they were the same as to their job performance. Do you really care if the guy beating you with a night stick in your jail cell is a nicer guy than the guy who beat you up last night?

Do you support the Disparate Impact Theory with regard to the Civil Rights Act?

Cause that is one H-U-G-E difference between Republicans and Democrats, including Obama/Clinton and Bush/Trump.

What is it like to be mentally retarded? I'm curious


You don't seem to be open to any further discussion on Trade, so I thought I'd point out how horrific Hillary is on Civil Rights.


I'm not sure why that struck you as "retarded".

It seems you are already emotionally invested in being AGAINST Trump to the point that you are offended by information that points out the flaws in that position.

The results of the next President's Supreme Court nominations is obviously a valid consideration.

On of the major differences between dems and republicans, is their view on Disparate Impact Theory.

As shown in the New Haven Firefighter case, it requires hiring and promotions, and recruitment based on skin color, not merit.


Dems support that. Republicans oppose it.

Where do you stand on this issue?

(do you need a link to document the basis of my question?)
 
You're delving deeper and deeper into leftist ideology. The equally rising boats are opportunity, not handouts, comrade. Government taps you on the shoulder and gives you cash. Opportunity is what you earn. I was born in the rust belt and ended up doing great! Why? I left.

And again I addressed this. GOVERNMENT created the rust belt. And you are advocating giving government the power to further restrict our freedom to fix it. Yeah, that's going to happen ...


The Rising Tide was supposed to be increasing jobs and wages and lifestyles and socio-economic status.


"Opportunity" is a myth if Trade Policy removes all or even most of the good jobs from an area or a nation.

You managed to get a piece of a shrinking pie. Good for you.

Government taxes, tax structure and regulations are killing jobs. Repeating a lie that free trade harms the economy doesn't make it so. I'll believe my education and experience over you.

And again, you keep making sound like we are disagreeing on the fundamental point. I said Trump is anti-capitalist, anti-free trade. You are saying that is why you like him, not that I'm wrong

This country used tariffs for most of it's history to build up and retain industries. Formerly dirt poor Red China has been built on the loss of the US manufacturing job base. Now we have to buy stuff from them previously made in this country, and they have our dollars with which to buy our assets. Go Trump I say.

You are advocating 19th century economics. Do you want 19th century medicine too?

Why don't you just admit you're a liberal who wants Big Gubmint to redistribute wealth? You'll be intellectually honest if you do.


We already HAVE 19th century economics.

We are just playing the part of the various defeated nations that everyone else is making money off of.

Except we are doing it to ourselves.

What does that even mean? You just swallowed Trump talking points, didn't you?

And as a career management/management consultant in multinational companies, we don't need your help. America competes fine. Actually exceptionally. You're the ones who are trying to destroy jobs and wreck the economy. You just don't understand it
 
Government taxes, tax structure and regulations are killing jobs. Repeating a lie that free trade harms the economy doesn't make it so. I'll believe my education and experience over you.

And again, you keep making sound like we are disagreeing on the fundamental point. I said Trump is anti-capitalist, anti-free trade. You are saying that is why you like him, not that I'm wrong

This country used tariffs for most of it's history to build up and retain industries. Formerly dirt poor Red China has been built on the loss of the US manufacturing job base. Now we have to buy stuff from them previously made in this country, and they have our dollars with which to buy our assets. Go Trump I say.

You are advocating 19th century economics. Do you want 19th century medicine too?

Why don't you just admit you're a liberal who wants Big Gubmint to redistribute wealth? You'll be intellectually honest if you do.

This country had tariffs well into the 20th Century. Have you noticed how China was a third world country until the USA job market moved there? Do you think China doesn't protect it's manufacturing sector also? Big gubmint redistributes wealth to certain sectors here also. It subsidizes big agriculture for one. One reason why Mexico farming sector went down the tubes after Nafta. There's really no free market after all.

You sound like a liberal.

Why do you hate liberty and capitalism?

You Democrats always have.


Allowing our rivals to use unfair trade to fuck US is not conservatism.

Nor is it "Free TRade".

You people repeat that empty mantra endlessly. Just like Obamabots love to repeat empty phrases. What does it even mean?

And there is no alternative to "free" trade. Free means we (American business) decides. When you alter that, you empower government to decide for us. And the worst possible word to government is "fair" anything
 
Yeah, you like Tweedledum (D) better than Tweedledee (R). Nothing partisan about that ...

:lmao:

Yeah

As opposed to you and Ronnie Raygun? The second worst president in my lifetime...


when did you live? Reagan was the best president in my lifetime and Obama is by far the worst.

sorry, I should have said Obozo since you said Raygun.

I agree, except W was arm in arm with Oboozer as the worst. They're twins. Same policies, both spend like drunk sailors and get the military in everyone's shit


there is one very significant difference. Bush loved the USA, Obama hates it.

I am not saying they are the same as people. I am saying they were the same as to their job performance. Do you really care if the guy beating you with a night stick in your jail cell is a nicer guy than the guy who beat you up last night?


I guess we just disagree on this. Bush made mistakes, but he did not have an agenda to bring down the USA. That's the difference.
 
This country used tariffs for most of it's history to build up and retain industries. Formerly dirt poor Red China has been built on the loss of the US manufacturing job base. Now we have to buy stuff from them previously made in this country, and they have our dollars with which to buy our assets. Go Trump I say.

You are advocating 19th century economics. Do you want 19th century medicine too?

Why don't you just admit you're a liberal who wants Big Gubmint to redistribute wealth? You'll be intellectually honest if you do.

This country had tariffs well into the 20th Century. Have you noticed how China was a third world country until the USA job market moved there? Do you think China doesn't protect it's manufacturing sector also? Big gubmint redistributes wealth to certain sectors here also. It subsidizes big agriculture for one. One reason why Mexico farming sector went down the tubes after Nafta. There's really no free market after all.

You sound like a liberal.

Why do you hate liberty and capitalism?

You Democrats always have.


Allowing our rivals to use unfair trade to fuck US is not conservatism.

Nor is it "Free TRade".

You people repeat that empty mantra endlessly. Just like Obamabots love to repeat empty phrases. What does it even mean?

And there is no alternative to "free" trade. Free means we (American business) decides. When you alter that, you empower government to decide for us. And the worst possible word to government is "fair" anything


sorry Kaz, but it seems that you are the one here who doesn't get it. The other countries are not playing fair on trade, to our detriment. We can either find ways to make them play fair, or we can play the same games against them. Right now we are doing neither and our negative trade balance is hurting American jobs.
 
I agree, except W was arm in arm with Oboozer as the worst. They're twins. Same policies, both spend like drunk sailors and get the military in everyone's shit


there is one very significant difference. Bush loved the USA, Obama hates it.

I am not saying they are the same as people. I am saying they were the same as to their job performance. Do you really care if the guy beating you with a night stick in your jail cell is a nicer guy than the guy who beat you up last night?

Do you support the Disparate Impact Theory with regard to the Civil Rights Act?

Cause that is one H-U-G-E difference between Republicans and Democrats, including Obama/Clinton and Bush/Trump.

What is it like to be mentally retarded? I'm curious


You don't seem to be open to any further discussion on Trade, so I thought I'd point out how horrific Hillary is on Civil Rights.


I'm not sure why that struck you as "retarded".

It seems you are already emotionally invested in being AGAINST Trump to the point that you are offended by information that points out the flaws in that position.

The results of the next President's Supreme Court nominations is obviously a valid consideration.

On of the major differences between dems and republicans, is their view on Disparate Impact Theory.

As shown in the New Haven Firefighter case, it requires hiring and promotions, and recruitment based on skin color, not merit.


Dems support that. Republicans oppose it.

Where do you stand on this issue?

(do you need a link to document the basis of my question?)

No, I'm not open to subjugating my freedom to government and leaving it up to them when I should and should not be allowed to engage in trade or anything else. You're just like the left, oh, you support freedom, kaz, that's crony capitalism, you should be open to limiting your rights and empowering government if you really believe in freedom, so do you?

As for retardation, yeah, you hit me with a random subject out of the blue. But the retardation part was more directed at your asking a libertarian what he thinks of the Disparate Impact Theory. In what possible universe would a libertarian support that?

And again as I've been saying, that bow in the Republican quiver has run out. Decades of Republican controlled courts repeatedly rule for the left. John Roberts was the last bow you had left, and he went left for crony capitalism and government controlling our healthcare system. Supreme Court nominees don't do it anymore. We get nothing from Republicans nominating them
 
As opposed to you and Ronnie Raygun? The second worst president in my lifetime...


when did you live? Reagan was the best president in my lifetime and Obama is by far the worst.

sorry, I should have said Obozo since you said Raygun.

I agree, except W was arm in arm with Oboozer as the worst. They're twins. Same policies, both spend like drunk sailors and get the military in everyone's shit


there is one very significant difference. Bush loved the USA, Obama hates it.

I am not saying they are the same as people. I am saying they were the same as to their job performance. Do you really care if the guy beating you with a night stick in your jail cell is a nicer guy than the guy who beat you up last night?


I guess we just disagree on this. Bush made mistakes, but he did not have an agenda to bring down the USA. That's the difference.

I didn't disagree with that. I just don't really care why he brought us down. He spent like a drunk sailor, added numerous government agencies. Prescription drug welfare benefit to Medicare, the TSA, no child gets ahead, the $250 billion so called transportation bill Christmas tree, never vetoed a spending bill. He proposed budgets that grow government in every economic measure (GDP, inflation) BEFORE negotiating with the Democrats and not counting off budget spending like TARP and the wars. And speaking of the wars, he keeps getting us into more.

Oh, but he's on our side! Yeah, but I wish he wasn't ...
 
there is one very significant difference. Bush loved the USA, Obama hates it.

I am not saying they are the same as people. I am saying they were the same as to their job performance. Do you really care if the guy beating you with a night stick in your jail cell is a nicer guy than the guy who beat you up last night?

Do you support the Disparate Impact Theory with regard to the Civil Rights Act?

Cause that is one H-U-G-E difference between Republicans and Democrats, including Obama/Clinton and Bush/Trump.

What is it like to be mentally retarded? I'm curious


You don't seem to be open to any further discussion on Trade, so I thought I'd point out how horrific Hillary is on Civil Rights.


I'm not sure why that struck you as "retarded".

It seems you are already emotionally invested in being AGAINST Trump to the point that you are offended by information that points out the flaws in that position.

The results of the next President's Supreme Court nominations is obviously a valid consideration.

On of the major differences between dems and republicans, is their view on Disparate Impact Theory.

As shown in the New Haven Firefighter case, it requires hiring and promotions, and recruitment based on skin color, not merit.


Dems support that. Republicans oppose it.

Where do you stand on this issue?

(do you need a link to document the basis of my question?)

No, I'm not open to subjugating my freedom to government and leaving it up to them when I should and should not be allowed to engage in trade or anything else. You're just like the left, oh, you support freedom, kaz, that's crony capitalism, you should be open to limiting your rights and empowering government if you really believe in freedom, so do you?

As for retardation, yeah, you hit me with a random subject out of the blue. But the retardation part was more directed at your asking a libertarian what he thinks of the Disparate Impact Theory. In what possible universe would a libertarian support that?

And again as I've been saying, that bow in the Republican quiver has run out. Decades of Republican controlled courts repeatedly rule for the left. John Roberts was the last bow you had left, and he went left for crony capitalism and government controlling our healthcare system. Supreme Court nominees don't do it anymore. We get nothing from Republicans nominating them


So, lets see if I get this. You would prefer SC justices appointed by Hillary Clinton?

because there are only two options this year---------Trump or Clinton.
 
You are advocating 19th century economics. Do you want 19th century medicine too?

Why don't you just admit you're a liberal who wants Big Gubmint to redistribute wealth? You'll be intellectually honest if you do.

This country had tariffs well into the 20th Century. Have you noticed how China was a third world country until the USA job market moved there? Do you think China doesn't protect it's manufacturing sector also? Big gubmint redistributes wealth to certain sectors here also. It subsidizes big agriculture for one. One reason why Mexico farming sector went down the tubes after Nafta. There's really no free market after all.

You sound like a liberal.

Why do you hate liberty and capitalism?

You Democrats always have.


Allowing our rivals to use unfair trade to fuck US is not conservatism.

Nor is it "Free TRade".

You people repeat that empty mantra endlessly. Just like Obamabots love to repeat empty phrases. What does it even mean?

And there is no alternative to "free" trade. Free means we (American business) decides. When you alter that, you empower government to decide for us. And the worst possible word to government is "fair" anything


sorry Kaz, but it seems that you are the one here who doesn't get it. The other countries are not playing fair on trade, to our detriment. We can either find ways to make them play fair, or we can play the same games against them. Right now we are doing neither and our negative trade balance is hurting American jobs.

Again, you keep repeating the mantra they aren't playing fair, but you don't back it up.

And anyway this is a strawman, I never said they were. I said I don't care, American businesses do well on our own. And the US government restricting our rights because they want to help is a sucker claim worthy of the most partisan liberal Democrat
 
when did you live? Reagan was the best president in my lifetime and Obama is by far the worst.

sorry, I should have said Obozo since you said Raygun.

I agree, except W was arm in arm with Oboozer as the worst. They're twins. Same policies, both spend like drunk sailors and get the military in everyone's shit


there is one very significant difference. Bush loved the USA, Obama hates it.

I am not saying they are the same as people. I am saying they were the same as to their job performance. Do you really care if the guy beating you with a night stick in your jail cell is a nicer guy than the guy who beat you up last night?


I guess we just disagree on this. Bush made mistakes, but he did not have an agenda to bring down the USA. That's the difference.

I didn't disagree with that. I just don't really care why he brought us down. He spent like a drunk sailor, added numerous government agencies. Prescription drug welfare benefit to Medicare, the TSA, no child gets ahead, the $250 billion so called transportation bill Christmas tree, never vetoed a spending bill. He proposed budgets that grow government in every economic measure (GDP, inflation) BEFORE negotiating with the Democrats and not counting off budget spending like TARP and the wars. And speaking of the wars, he keeps getting us into more.

Oh, but he's on our side! Yeah, but I wish he wasn't ...


nice recitation of dem/lib talking points. :blahblah:
 
kaz said:
And again as I've been saying, that bow in the Republican quiver has run out. Decades of Republican controlled courts repeatedly rule for the left. John Roberts was the last bow you had left, and he went left for crony capitalism and government controlling our healthcare system. Supreme Court nominees don't do it anymore. We get nothing from Republicans nominating them


So, lets see if I get this. You would prefer SC justices appointed by Hillary Clinton?

:wtf:

Read much? How do you possibly get that out of what I said?

So the answer to you question is no, you don't get this.

I don't care between Bud Light and Miller Lite, they both suck. Oh, so you prefer Miller Lite!

:wtf:
 
This country had tariffs well into the 20th Century. Have you noticed how China was a third world country until the USA job market moved there? Do you think China doesn't protect it's manufacturing sector also? Big gubmint redistributes wealth to certain sectors here also. It subsidizes big agriculture for one. One reason why Mexico farming sector went down the tubes after Nafta. There's really no free market after all.

You sound like a liberal.

Why do you hate liberty and capitalism?

You Democrats always have.


Allowing our rivals to use unfair trade to fuck US is not conservatism.

Nor is it "Free TRade".

You people repeat that empty mantra endlessly. Just like Obamabots love to repeat empty phrases. What does it even mean?

And there is no alternative to "free" trade. Free means we (American business) decides. When you alter that, you empower government to decide for us. And the worst possible word to government is "fair" anything


sorry Kaz, but it seems that you are the one here who doesn't get it. The other countries are not playing fair on trade, to our detriment. We can either find ways to make them play fair, or we can play the same games against them. Right now we are doing neither and our negative trade balance is hurting American jobs.

Again, you keep repeating the mantra they aren't playing fair, but you don't back it up.

And anyway this is a strawman, I never said they were. I said I don't care, American businesses do well on our own. And the US government restricting our rights because they want to help is a sucker claim worthy of the most partisan liberal Democrat


Nothing that has been suggested would restrict the ability of American businesses to do business internationally. Applying the same principles to other countries that they apply to us is the right thing to do, and it would help American business.
 
kaz said:
And again as I've been saying, that bow in the Republican quiver has run out. Decades of Republican controlled courts repeatedly rule for the left. John Roberts was the last bow you had left, and he went left for crony capitalism and government controlling our healthcare system. Supreme Court nominees don't do it anymore. We get nothing from Republicans nominating them


So, lets see if I get this. You would prefer SC justices appointed by Hillary Clinton?

:wtf:

Read much? How do you possibly get that out of what I said?

So the answer to you question is no, you don't get this.

I don't care between Bud Light and Miller Lite, they both suck. Oh, so you prefer Miller Lite!

:wtf:


sorry, but when you post anti-Trump, anti-GOP rants, the only logical conclusion is that you support HRC and the far left dems.
 
kaz said:
And again as I've been saying, that bow in the Republican quiver has run out. Decades of Republican controlled courts repeatedly rule for the left. John Roberts was the last bow you had left, and he went left for crony capitalism and government controlling our healthcare system. Supreme Court nominees don't do it anymore. We get nothing from Republicans nominating them


So, lets see if I get this. You would prefer SC justices appointed by Hillary Clinton?

:wtf:

Read much? How do you possibly get that out of what I said?

So the answer to you question is no, you don't get this.

I don't care between Bud Light and Miller Lite, they both suck. Oh, so you prefer Miller Lite!

:wtf:


Bud light and miller light are the same product in a different can.

Trump and Clinton are two completely different products.
 
The Rising Tide was supposed to be increasing jobs and wages and lifestyles and socio-economic status.


"Opportunity" is a myth if Trade Policy removes all or even most of the good jobs from an area or a nation.

You managed to get a piece of a shrinking pie. Good for you.

Government taxes, tax structure and regulations are killing jobs. Repeating a lie that free trade harms the economy doesn't make it so. I'll believe my education and experience over you.

And again, you keep making sound like we are disagreeing on the fundamental point. I said Trump is anti-capitalist, anti-free trade. You are saying that is why you like him, not that I'm wrong

This country used tariffs for most of it's history to build up and retain industries. Formerly dirt poor Red China has been built on the loss of the US manufacturing job base. Now we have to buy stuff from them previously made in this country, and they have our dollars with which to buy our assets. Go Trump I say.

You are advocating 19th century economics. Do you want 19th century medicine too?

Why don't you just admit you're a liberal who wants Big Gubmint to redistribute wealth? You'll be intellectually honest if you do.


We already HAVE 19th century economics.

We are just playing the part of the various defeated nations that everyone else is making money off of.

Except we are doing it to ourselves.

What does that even mean? You just swallowed Trump talking points, didn't you?

And as a career management/management consultant in multinational companies, we don't need your help. America competes fine. Actually exceptionally. You're the ones who are trying to destroy jobs and wreck the economy. You just don't understand it



The Rust Belt Street disagrees.
 
I agree, except W was arm in arm with Oboozer as the worst. They're twins. Same policies, both spend like drunk sailors and get the military in everyone's shit


there is one very significant difference. Bush loved the USA, Obama hates it.

I am not saying they are the same as people. I am saying they were the same as to their job performance. Do you really care if the guy beating you with a night stick in your jail cell is a nicer guy than the guy who beat you up last night?


I guess we just disagree on this. Bush made mistakes, but he did not have an agenda to bring down the USA. That's the difference.

I didn't disagree with that. I just don't really care why he brought us down. He spent like a drunk sailor, added numerous government agencies. Prescription drug welfare benefit to Medicare, the TSA, no child gets ahead, the $250 billion so called transportation bill Christmas tree, never vetoed a spending bill. He proposed budgets that grow government in every economic measure (GDP, inflation) BEFORE negotiating with the Democrats and not counting off budget spending like TARP and the wars. And speaking of the wars, he keeps getting us into more.

Oh, but he's on our side! Yeah, but I wish he wasn't ...


nice recitation of dem/lib talking points. :blahblah:

Wow, that kills any idea that you're conservative if I have to explain to you the incredible amount of money and government created by George W Bush. Now you've out lefted even Hannity and Rush Limbaugh who both criticized him for his excessive spending and creation of new bureaucracies. They said it was worth it because they supported the wars, but wow, you're a fiscal lib for sure if you didn't see the uber spending excesses
 
You sound like a liberal.

Why do you hate liberty and capitalism?

You Democrats always have.


Allowing our rivals to use unfair trade to fuck US is not conservatism.

Nor is it "Free TRade".

You people repeat that empty mantra endlessly. Just like Obamabots love to repeat empty phrases. What does it even mean?

And there is no alternative to "free" trade. Free means we (American business) decides. When you alter that, you empower government to decide for us. And the worst possible word to government is "fair" anything


sorry Kaz, but it seems that you are the one here who doesn't get it. The other countries are not playing fair on trade, to our detriment. We can either find ways to make them play fair, or we can play the same games against them. Right now we are doing neither and our negative trade balance is hurting American jobs.

Again, you keep repeating the mantra they aren't playing fair, but you don't back it up.

And anyway this is a strawman, I never said they were. I said I don't care, American businesses do well on our own. And the US government restricting our rights because they want to help is a sucker claim worthy of the most partisan liberal Democrat


Nothing that has been suggested would restrict the ability of American businesses to do business internationally. Applying the same principles to other countries that they apply to us is the right thing to do, and it would help American business.

Of course it has. For example, he wants to "pull out" of NAFTA
 
This country used tariffs for most of it's history to build up and retain industries. Formerly dirt poor Red China has been built on the loss of the US manufacturing job base. Now we have to buy stuff from them previously made in this country, and they have our dollars with which to buy our assets. Go Trump I say.

You are advocating 19th century economics. Do you want 19th century medicine too?

Why don't you just admit you're a liberal who wants Big Gubmint to redistribute wealth? You'll be intellectually honest if you do.

This country had tariffs well into the 20th Century. Have you noticed how China was a third world country until the USA job market moved there? Do you think China doesn't protect it's manufacturing sector also? Big gubmint redistributes wealth to certain sectors here also. It subsidizes big agriculture for one. One reason why Mexico farming sector went down the tubes after Nafta. There's really no free market after all.

You sound like a liberal.

Why do you hate liberty and capitalism?

You Democrats always have.


Allowing our rivals to use unfair trade to fuck US is not conservatism.

Nor is it "Free TRade".

You people repeat that empty mantra endlessly. Just like Obamabots love to repeat empty phrases. What does it even mean?

And there is no alternative to "free" trade. Free means we (American business) decides. When you alter that, you empower government to decide for us. And the worst possible word to government is "fair" anything


American Trade policy should be crafted to serve the interests of America as a whole and as many individual Americans as possible.


American business is not the only player on the field.


YOu and your multinational corporations might be doing fine. America and American workers? Not so much.
 

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