Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

[JakeStarkey]

Has anyone found a church forced to perform marriages for homosexuals.

 

[Debra K]

This question can apply to all places of worship, so mosques, synagogues, hindu temples etc.

Should places or worship be forced to accommodate for gay weddings?

Should places or worship be forced to accommodate for gay weddings?

Places of worship are not places of public accommodation. Laws that prohibit discrimination in public accommodations do not apply to churches, et al.

 

[NYcarbineer]

A preacher who has been given the power to do civil marriages is a civil servant. He should be held to exactly the same rules any other civil servant in that capacity must abide by.

 

[Political Junky]

Has anyone found a church forced to perform marriages for homosexuals.

No

 

[JakeStarkey]

A preacher who has been given the power to do civil marriages is a civil servant. He should be held to exactly the same rules any other civil servant in that capacity must abide by.

But the 1st Amendment and private association laws do not agree with you.

 

[Derideo_Te]

FYI!

Where Christian churches, other religions stand on gay marriage

The Episcopal Church approves religious weddings for gay couples after controversial debate

3 Other Christian Denominations That Allow Gay Marriage

 

[Geaux4it]

Do you take this woman, to......um.... Jake, do you take this man, to honor....

What a cluster.

Fags should get married at fag kind of places. That tends to narrow it down to the seedy side of town. Right next to Mr. B's Book Store selling 8mm videos in 20 second intervals.

-Geaux

 

[daws101]

This question can apply to all places of worship, so mosques, synagogues, hindu temples etc.

Should places or worship be forced to accommodate for gay weddings?

Should places or worship be forced to accommodate for gay weddings?

Places of worship are not places of public accommodation. Laws that prohibit discrimination in public accommodations do not apply to churches, et al.

Really? So if as part of their worship child rape and ritual sacrifice were practiced. It would be ok with you.
Religion is subject to the same laws as the public .

 

[daws101]

Do you take this woman, to......um.... Jake, do you take this man, to honor....

What a cluster.

Fags should get married at fag kind of places. That tends to narrow it down to the seedy side of town. Right next to Mr. B's Book Store selling 8mm videos in 20 second intervals.

-Geaux

Thanks captain ignorance!

 

[oreo]

But individuals don't enjoy the right to exercise freedom of religious beliefs. Only gatherings of them in a building do. Just like the Constitution says. And if it doesn't say that, don't worry, Justice Kennedy and pals are getting their quills sharpened to make the necessary changes, just like is their charge to do as the Judicial branch of government...

BTW, a fundamental structural change to marriage rendering kids in it fatherless or motherless IS NOT the same as the interracial marriage issue. LGBTs are now striving to make it the same as a defensive move and framing their argument for why Christians "must be forced" to participate in gay sex weddings. They're calling sex (a verb) a noun and passing it off that way, hoping nobody will notice.

And now a woman sits in jail for passively refusing to accomodate a gay wedding.

Remember this thread folks? Last post in it was just two months ago. My how much changes in just a matter of a handful of weeks..

She's a GOVERNMENT clerk receiving a taxpayer funded check. If she's allowed to choose what marriage license's she wants to issue, a CATHOLIC clerk can refuse a marriage license to a divorcee.

Then another clerk can issue a license to an old man and young girl based on his/her religious beliefs, and then one man could get several licenses for marriage based upon another clerks religion.

AND ALL OF THIS PUTS THE TAXPAYERS AT RISK FOR CLASS ACTION LAW SUITS THAT THEY WOULD LOSE.

Yet Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are defending this--and because they are defending this clerk they too are putting the taxpayers at risk, because of their ignorance. THEY TOO ARE GOING AGAINST THE LAW.

If you don't like it--quit your job--or do your job.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Do you take this woman, to......um.... Jake, do you take this man, to honor....

What a cluster.

Fags should get married at fag kind of places. That tends to narrow it down to the seedy side of town. Right next to Mr. B's Book Store selling 8mm videos in 20 second intervals.

-Geaux

Sounds like someone who knows the seedy side of town from personal experience.

 

[daws101]

Do you take this woman, to......um.... Jake, do you take this man, to honor....

What a cluster.

Fags should get married at fag kind of places. That tends to narrow it down to the seedy side of town. Right next to Mr. B's Book Store selling 8mm videos in 20 second intervals.

-Geaux

Sounds like someone who knows the seedy side of town from personal experience.

And spent a fortune getting it.

 

[Derideo_Te]

This question can apply to all places of worship, so mosques, synagogues, hindu temples etc.

Should places or worship be forced to accommodate for gay weddings?

Should places or worship be forced to accommodate for gay weddings?

Places of worship are not places of public accommodation. Laws that prohibit discrimination in public accommodations do not apply to churches, et al.

Really? So if as part of their worship child rape and ritual sacrifice were practiced. It would be ok with you.
Religion is subject to the same laws as the public .

Religions are allowed discriminate on the basis of their beliefs as long as what they are doing is a legitimate religious function.

 

[NYcarbineer]

A preacher who has been given the power to do civil marriages is a civil servant. He should be held to exactly the same rules any other civil servant in that capacity must abide by.

But the 1st Amendment and private association laws do not agree with you.

Yes they do. Civil marriage has no religious attachment to it whatsoever. No preacher who performs a civil marriage is performing a religious function,

even if the ceremony includes a religion based component.

 

[Geaux4it]

Do you take this woman, to......um.... Jake, do you take this man, to honor....

What a cluster.

Fags should get married at fag kind of places. That tends to narrow it down to the seedy side of town. Right next to Mr. B's Book Store selling 8mm videos in 20 second intervals.

-Geaux

Sounds like someone who knows the seedy side of town from personal experience.

Reading is knowledge

I do. Unfortunately I have to drive through it on the way to the dump.

-Geaux

 

[mdk]

So how many churches have been forced to marry anyone any couple against their wishes in this nation? Still none you say? Boy that was close!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Religion is subject to the same laws as the public .

No, it's not. You were taught better. In matters religious, in private, folks can believe whatever they want and generally practice their religious principles as they wish.

 

[JakeStarkey]

A preacher who has been given the power to do civil marriages is a civil servant. He should be held to exactly the same rules any other civil servant in that capacity must abide by.

But the 1st Amendment and private association laws do not agree with you.

Yes they do. Civil marriage has no religious attachment to it whatsoever. No preacher who performs a civil marriage is performing a religious function, even if the ceremony includes a religion based component.

Nope. A religious wedding is a marriage if recognized by the state as such. But the state can never regulate a church's performance of it. As long as the partners are consenting age, it's fine. The priest could lead an orgy on the alter, and as long as the celebrants are of consenting age, it's fine.

 

[Derideo_Te]

A preacher who has been given the power to do civil marriages is a civil servant. He should be held to exactly the same rules any other civil servant in that capacity must abide by.

But the 1st Amendment and private association laws do not agree with you.

Yes they do. Civil marriage has no religious attachment to it whatsoever. No preacher who performs a civil marriage is performing a religious function, even if the ceremony includes a religion based component.

Nope. A religious wedding is a marriage if recognized by the state as such. But the state can never regulate a church's performance of it.

Not completely accurate!

Peyote was considered to be part of a native American religious ritual but the Federal government stepped in and banned it as part of the phony war on drugs.

So yes, the state can regulate a part of the church's performance of a religious ritual if it deems fit.

Personally I think they overreached but I can understand why they did in that instance. Hopefully they will get around to scrapping the phony war on drugs and butting out of religious ceremonies too.

 

[Debra K]

This question can apply to all places of worship, so mosques, synagogues, hindu temples etc.

Should places or worship be forced to accommodate for gay weddings?

Should places or worship be forced to accommodate for gay weddings?

Places of worship are not places of public accommodation. Laws that prohibit discrimination in public accommodations do not apply to churches, et al.

Really? So if as part of their worship child rape and ritual sacrifice were practiced. It would be ok with you.
Religion is subject to the same laws as the public .

What the heck are you talking about?

The question is whether places of worship (e.g., churches) should be forced to accommodate gay weddings. This is similar to asking whether bakeries should be forced to accommodate gay weddings. For example, a complaint was made against "Sweetcakes by Melissa" (a bakery) because the business owner refused to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple.

The bakery in the example above was a business, which offered goods and services to the public. In other words, the bakery was a place of public accommodation. The state had a law that prohibited businesses from discriminating against members of the public because of race, gender, and sexual orientation. The bakery was not forced to bake the cake, but it was adjudicated to be liable for damages to the victims of its discrimination.

On the other hand, places of worship are not places of public accommodation. Churches are not businesses offering goods and/or services to members of the public. Accordingly, churches and other places of worship are not subject to laws that prohibit discrimination in public accommodations. A church may lawfully refuse to conduct marriage ceremonies.

The above has nothing to do with "child rape" or "ritual sacrifice". The right to practice one's religion secured by the First Amendment does not exempt people from complying with generally applicable laws, which make it unlawful to rape and murder, etc.