Should our Constitution's 2nd Amendment be amended ... ?

Should our Constitution's 2nd Amendment be amended to promote gun control?
"When was the last time somebody drove a car and killed 20 children and six teachers on purpose? When was the last time someone took a syringe full of "flu" into a movie theater to wipe out 12 people on purpose?" Ud

Needed gun legislation in Politics Forum
Automobiles may kill more humans than guns kill in the U.S.
But we already regulate them. To operate them on public roadways:
- the driver must be licensed
- the vehicle must meet legal standards
- obeying motor-vehicle & traffic laws is required
- cars are being built safer and "better" all the time. Most of a century ago, there were cars on the road with 2 wheel brakes. Today there are cars on our public roadways with:
4 wheel power disc brakes
anti-lock brakes
air bags (front & side)
crumple-zone crash-energy absorption design
collapsible steering column
and much, much more.

So since their proliferation, cars have gotten safer, and better.
In vivid contrast, since the U.S. Founding, guns have gotten vastly more lethal.

Should the United States Constitution's Second Amendment which acknowledges the People's "right to keep and bear arms" be amended to compensate for this divergent technological trend? Safer cars, and ever more deadly guns?


Actually, no they haven't......safety features on guns have made them safer. Guns are one of the most regulated products in the country....

In 2013 there were only 505 accidental gun deaths.....death in cars...over 30,000.
 
Should be completely repealed. Pleanty of countries get on just fine and a lot better than us without 2nd amendments.



Except when they march their citizens into death camps.....Europe murdered 12 million people that way.

And of course everyday crime increases...women are raped and people are robbed and stabbed...but that's okay...they have national healthcare..right?

Pleanty of countries allow private ownership of firearms without a 2nd amendment. It's redundant.


Without the 2nd amendment written down...where people can see it...we would have lost our gun rights decades ago....just like the French, the Germans, the British, the Australians........
 
And how is gun control working for the civilians in Syria? Or Iraq, or for the Kurds, the Mexicans, and any of a number of countries with disarmed civilian populations whose governments have murdered them?
 
LoneLaugher

That was a good link. I read the entire article. The last paragraph or so is very powerful:

Emotional claims that the right to possess deadly weapons is so important that it is protected by the federal Constitution distort intelligent debate about the wisdom of particular aspects of proposed legislation designed to minimize the slaughter caused by the prevalence of guns in private hands. Those emotional arguments would be nullified by the adoption of my proposed amendment. The amendment certainly would not silence the powerful voice of the gun lobby; it would merely eliminate its ability to advance one mistaken argument.

It is true, of course, that the public’s reaction to the massacre of schoolchildren, such as the Newtown killings, and the 2013 murder of government employees at the Navy Yard in Washington, may also introduce a strong emotional element into the debate. That aspect of the debate is, however, based entirely on facts rather than fiction. The law should encourage intelligent discussion of possible remedies for what every American can recognize as an ongoing national tragedy.
 
Here you go...some perspective...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Here are the stats on some common types of death....it would be better to start a crusade to teach people how to walk upright...and save them from falling deaths...you would save more lives.....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

guns, drowning and poisoning....

If you cared about people....you would push to ban the following...


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505

Accidental gun deaths of children under 14 in 2013....

Under 1 year old: 3

1-4 years old: 27

5-14 years old: 39
Total: 69 ( in a country of 320 million people)


2012...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505

So...accidental gun deaths have been coming down as more people own and carry guns for self defense....now 12.8 million people actually carry guns for self defense......on their person, and the accidental gun dea
 
Should be completely repealed. Pleanty of countries get on just fine and a lot better than us without 2nd amendments.



Except when they march their citizens into death camps.....Europe murdered 12 million people that way.

And of course everyday crime increases...women are raped and people are robbed and stabbed...but that's okay...they have national healthcare..right?

Pleanty of countries allow private ownership of firearms without a 2nd amendment. It's redundant.


Without the 2nd amendment written down...where people can see it...we would have lost our gun rights decades ago....just like the French, the Germans, the British, the Australians........


Actually, in Germany, depending on profession, you can apply for a gun license. And there are shooting clubs in Germany (Schiessvereine). Really, you should inform yourself like an adult before making blanket statements.
 
Instead of firearms ownership being a constitutional right, it should be a granted priviledge. Just as a concealed-carry permit is required to do that, should need one to buy the weapon in the first place.
 
Don't be afraid to read this piece........it's one of the best I've found on the issue and it comes from a very knowledgeable source.


The five extra words that can fix the Second Amendment



“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.”

Those are five reasonable words.


Reasonable?

What age limits do you feel necessary for belonging to a militia?

18-45?

any gender qualifications?
 
Don't be afraid to read this piece........it's one of the best I've found on the issue and it comes from a very knowledgeable source.


The five extra words that can fix the Second Amendment


The guy is a moron.....he should never have been on the court. How did only having the government have guns work out for the civilians in Europe when Germany was murdering people in the millions, or for the Kurds, the Yzidis, the Syrians, the Mexicans against the drug cartels, the Rwandan's macheted to death while the U.N. did nothing?
 
Don't be afraid to read this piece........it's one of the best I've found on the issue and it comes from a very knowledgeable source.


The five extra words that can fix the Second Amendment



“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.”

Those are five reasonable words.


Yes...the militias in Rwanda worked well...as they massacred their fellow citizens who had no guns to protect themselves......
 
There is no escaping the fact that our resident nutbags are misinterpreting the intent of the founders so they can soothe the fear that eats at them daily by having a weapon that can kill at a distance by their side.

This fear permits them to give vociferous support to political corruption in the form of bought and paid for politicians who do the bidding of the NRA.....as well as threats of monied opposition issued to those who would vote against the NRA. In addition.....they gladly accept the judicial activism that has led to the revision of how the 2nd is interpreted in our courts.

In time.....this too will end. This is a center left nation. We always wind up in the right place. The machine turns slowly....as it should and as it was designed to do.
 
Should be completely repealed. Pleanty of countries get on just fine and a lot better than us without 2nd amendments.



Except when they march their citizens into death camps.....Europe murdered 12 million people that way.

And of course everyday crime increases...women are raped and people are robbed and stabbed...but that's okay...they have national healthcare..right?

Pleanty of countries allow private ownership of firearms without a 2nd amendment. It's redundant.


Without the 2nd amendment written down...where people can see it...we would have lost our gun rights decades ago....just like the French, the Germans, the British, the Australians........


Actually, in Germany, depending on profession, you can apply for a gun license. And there are shooting clubs in Germany (Schiessvereine). Really, you should inform yourself like an adult before making blanket statements.


Dipshit.....gun ownership is severly restricted in those countries and you have to keep the guns at the gun clubs and have to pass complicated tests....only the rich and the connected get into those clubs....and a gun in a gun club does nothing to stop a woman from being raped, or the robberies and kidnappings and murders.
 
"You really should use the quote function in order to keep stuff from getting mixed up." St
I usually do.
But this site has some annoying & needless formatting anomalies.
Among them, using the quotation feature can obscure most of the quotation from view, and requires additional reader intervention; which in some cases does not take place.

When I use the bold feature instead, the quotation is displayed in full, AND is clearly distinguished from the content of my personal contribution to the post.

"The original idea for the 2nd Amendment was to make sure that the fledgling Republic could must together an army as quickly as possible, were the British to come back ..." St

a) It is absolutely true the 18th Century U.S. had issues about maintaining a "standing army", and relied on armed militiamen; Paul Revere, etc.

b) But to assume that was the only reason, or the main reason may be in error. Here's what George Will had to say about it:

In order to argue your point of view you have to say 3 things.
1st of all that only the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights does not protect individual rights, it protects the rights of the government.
2nd you have to say that George Mason widely called the father of the Bill of Rights was wrong when he said by the militia we mean the whole People.
3rd you have to say the Founders were clumsy framers of the Constitution because if they wanted to do what you say they did with the [2nd] Amendment which is say, States can have militias, all they needed to say was, Congress shall have no power to prohibit State militias period. They didn't. They talked about the rights of the People. George Will ABC-TV This Week 02/05/12


This perspective is supported by the writings of the Founders:
"In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty is in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed, and in the next place, oblige it to control itself." James Madison

"But uniform security and background checks, including psych tests, should be mandatory." St

I have very little patience for Donald Trump. Some of the blather he spews while campaigning is not merely an embarrassment to the country, but to humanity.
But on this topic, I was impressed.
The inquiry was about gun control.
And Trump's reply indicated, unless we're going to eliminate all the guns entirely, there will be maniacs that will slip through the cracks, and we'll keep having more of these massacres.
It's not a particularly pleasant message.
But I sadly acknowledge he may be right (on that narrow issue, if nothing else).
 
And how is gun control working for the civilians in Syria? Or Iraq, or for the Kurds, the Mexicans, and any of a number of countries with disarmed civilian populations whose governments have murdered them?

Oh....you are back to discussion tyranny again. Convenient. That's what you always do. But....in fact....your primary concern is fear of personal injury at the hands of a thug. The opposition to tyranny can be maintained with regulations on firearms. Easily.
 
It's always THE GUNS, THE GUNS, THE GUNS with the constitution hating progs, always ignoring the gorillas in the room which are radical islam, gang bangers, criminals and those with dire mental health issues. THAT is the root cause of all these mass shootings, and until something is done about THAT, NO AMOUNT of NEW gun laws will change ANYTHING, PERIOD, END OF STORY, not to mention, you will NOT, DISARM, AMERICA, EVER, not without a FULL BLOWN ARMED REVOLT. So you little commie leftards dreaming and getting all wet over the thought of a DISARMED America, well, that ain't gonna happen, you'll just have to find a way to deal with it.


Leftard idiocy...
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There is no escaping the fact that our resident nutbags are misinterpreting the intent of the founders so they can soothe the fear that eats at them daily by having a weapon that can kill at a distance by their side.

This fear permits them to give vociferous support to political corruption in the form of bought and paid for politicians who do the bidding of the NRA.....as well as threats of monied opposition issued to those who would vote against the NRA. In addition.....they gladly accept the judicial activism that has led to the revision of how the 2nd is interpreted in our courts.

In time.....this too will end. This is a center left nation. We always wind up in the right place. The machine turns slowly....as it should and as it was designed to do.


yeah...and that is why more people are getting carry permits...women are now getting gun permits as are minorities.....and the polls show Americans don't believe gun control is the answer....
 
And how is gun control working for the civilians in Syria? Or Iraq, or for the Kurds, the Mexicans, and any of a number of countries with disarmed civilian populations whose governments have murdered them?

Oh....you are back to discussion tyranny again. Convenient. That's what you always do. But....in fact....your primary concern is fear of personal injury at the hands of a thug. The opposition to tyranny can be maintained with regulations on firearms. Easily.


Tell that to the Germans.....
 
Instead of firearms ownership being a constitutional right, it should be a granted priviledge. Just as a concealed-carry permit is required to do that, should need one to buy the weapon in the first place.

How about "making" free speech a granted privilege as well?

Many countries such as China, Cuba and North Korea have done so quite successfully.
 
Should be completely repealed. Pleanty of countries get on just fine and a lot better than us without 2nd amendments.



Except when they march their citizens into death camps.....Europe murdered 12 million people that way.

And of course everyday crime increases...women are raped and people are robbed and stabbed...but that's okay...they have national healthcare..right?

Pleanty of countries allow private ownership of firearms without a 2nd amendment. It's redundant.


Without the 2nd amendment written down...where people can see it...we would have lost our gun rights decades ago....just like the French, the Germans, the British, the Australians........


Actually, in Germany, depending on profession, you can apply for a gun license. And there are shooting clubs in Germany (Schiessvereine). Really, you should inform yourself like an adult before making blanket statements.


Dipshit.....gun ownership is severly restricted in those countries and you have to keep the guns at the gun clubs and have to pass complicated tests....only the rich and the connected get into those clubs....and a gun in a gun club does nothing to stop a woman from being raped, or the robberies and kidnappings and murders.


Uhm, no. You are stupid.

Ordinary citizens in Germany can belong to a Schiessverein. You don't have to be rich to belong. In fact, there is one about 7 blocks from my house, close to a neighboring wood.

You really are an ignorant, yet totally brazen character. Were you dropped on your head as a child?
 

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