Should People be Forced to Pay dues to a Union as a Condition of their Employment?

[Publius1787]

Should People be Forced to Pay dues to a Union as a Condition of their Employment?

 

[HenryBHough]

In states with "right to work" laws they can't be forced to pay "protection". Maybe that's why Boeing has moved hundreds of jobs - to safeguard their employees from goon squads.

 

[Mr. H.]

In the ought-70's one condition of my summer employment was that I join the union. Pay was good (for that time), but the only time union reps made a visit to the plant was after it flooded. We worked our asses off drying and cleaning tons of bare steel.

Their response? It essentially was our fault it happened in the first place.

Then there were the older union farts that spent most their time standing around flapping jaw.

 

[Freewill]

I said maybe, it is up to the states to decide.

 

[Publius1787]

In the ought-70's one condition of my summer employment was that I join the union. Pay was good (for that time), but the only time union reps made a visit to the plant was after it flooded. We worked our asses off drying and cleaning tons of bare steel.

Their response? It essentially was our fault it happened in the first place.

Then there were the older union farts that spent most their time standing around flapping jaw.

That was after the radicals (Communists/Socialists/Marxists/Fabians) were purged from the unions and before they came back to any great degree. The 70's were a time of radical resurgence in the unions. Then they got smashed by Reagan. Now the radicals are all that are left among union leadership. The American working man image among Union leaders has long been replaced by the unashamed Marxists in the left.

 

[Publius1787]

I said maybe, it is up to the states to decide.

The left would never take such a stance on gay marriage or abortions. Why would they cede the "fundamental right" to organize and force others to pay for their utopian dreams? Indeed, union friendly states are certainly paying for federalism as of now. They are desperately attempting to get the minimum wage raised and advocating for a slew of regulations so as to make their competition less competitive.

 

[Freewill]

I said maybe, it is up to the states to decide.

The left would never take such a stance on gay marriage or abortions. Why would they cede the "fundamental right" to organize and force others to pay for their utopian dreams? Indeed, union friendly states are certainly paying for federalism as of now. They are desperately attempting to get the minimum wage raised and advocating for a slew of regulations so as to make their competition less competitive.

The Unions, in my opinion, did themselves in. Started back when they became corporations paying their presidents a large sum of money. Much more then the rank and file. Then They bitched about Reagan and the illegal air traffic controller strike. What did the other Unions do? You got it, absolutely nothing except bitch. When Clinton was pushing for his free, screw the working man, trade agreements what was the Unions position? They said that anyone voting for the agreements would be punished, they lied. They went back to suckle at the only teat the knew. They also ceded a lot of what they bargained for over to the government. Obamacare is the latest example. If the government is going to protect a worker through OSHA and provide benefits or at least access to them as in Obamacare then what is the use of Unions?

 

[LoneLaugher]

You nutters sure are adept at scratching the surface if issues I applaud you and your ability to pretend that you know shit.

 

[Shrimpbox]

I am not really understanding the question. If you are asking in a generic sense whether all workers should pay dues to unions, heck no. If you are asking if people who get jobs at a company that is unionized should pay dues that is murkier. First of all I would never work for a union cause I don't want anyone telling me when I can work and when I can't. Some people don't have that luxury( pipeline welders are a good example) so al I could recommend is to try to have union dues not pay for things you don't agree with, but good luck with that. Private business unionization has declined drastically in the last decades while I believe public sector unionization has increased slightly, a seriously dangerous development. I digress. My vote would be no but the reality is if you sign the contract you have to abide by those rules.

 

[Freewill]

You nutters sure are adept at scratching the surface if issues I applaud you and your ability to pretend that you know shit.

Well I will admit you don't pretend to know shit. It is good not to pretend you are something you are not.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Should People be Forced to Pay dues to a Union as a Condition of their Employment?

no.....but then the question comes up....should those who dont, get the Benefits that the Union got them.....i say no....you get what the company wants to give you .....

 

[Harry Dresden]

In the ought-70's one condition of my summer employment was that I join the union. Pay was good (for that time), but the only time union reps made a visit to the plant was after it flooded. We worked our asses off drying and cleaning tons of bare steel.

Their response? It essentially was our fault it happened in the first place.

Then there were the older union farts that spent most their time standing around flapping jaw.

That was after the radicals (Communists/Socialists/Marxists/Fabians) were purged from the unions and before they came back to any great degree. The 70's were a time of radical resurgence in the unions. Then they got smashed by Reagan. Now the radicals are all that are left among union leadership. The American working man image among Union leaders has long been replaced by the unashamed Marxists in the left.

Then they got smashed by Reagan

outside of the Air Traffic Controllers...what other Union got "smashed" by Reagan?....and what happened to them was their doing...

 

[Mr. H.]

In the ought-70's one condition of my summer employment was that I join the union. Pay was good (for that time), but the only time union reps made a visit to the plant was after it flooded. We worked our asses off drying and cleaning tons of bare steel.

Their response? It essentially was our fault it happened in the first place.

Then there were the older union farts that spent most their time standing around flapping jaw.

That was after the radicals (Communists/Socialists/Marxists/Fabians) were purged from the unions and before they came back to any great degree. The 70's were a time of radical resurgence in the unions. Then they got smashed by Reagan. Now the radicals are all that are left among union leadership. The American working man image among Union leaders has long been replaced by the unashamed Marxists in the left.

Thank you, Dr. E. Publius Unum.

 

[The T]

Not only NO...but HELL NO. It's an affront to liberty, plain and simple.

 

[The T]

You nutters sure are adept at scratching the surface if issues I applaud you and your ability to pretend that you know shit.

Well I will admit you don't pretend to know shit. It is good not to pretend you are something you are not.

^Parroted by ME. Lunger is an unthinking parrot that is nothing without talking points. Just a twerpish TROLL.

 

[The T]

you nutters sure are adept at scratching the surface if issues i applaud you and your ability to pretend that you know shit.

^troll

 

[The T]

I said maybe, it is up to the states to decide.

The left would never take such a stance on gay marriage or abortions. Why would they cede the "fundamental right" to organize and force others to pay for their utopian dreams? Indeed, union friendly states are certainly paying for federalism as of now. They are desperately attempting to get the minimum wage raised and advocating for a slew of regulations so as to make their competition less competitive.

The Unions, in my opinion, did themselves in. Started back when they became corporations paying their presidents a large sum of money. Much more then the rank and file. Then They bitched about Reagan and the illegal air traffic controller strike. What did the other Unions do? You got it, absolutely nothing except bitch. When Clinton was pushing for his free, screw the working man, trade agreements what was the Unions position? They said that anyone voting for the agreements would be punished, they lied. They went back to suckle at the only teat the knew. They also ceded a lot of what they bargained for over to the government. Obamacare is the latest example. If the government is going to protect a worker through OSHA and provide benefits or at least access to them as in Obamacare then what is the use of Unions?

UNIONS are the Money Laundering ARM of the Democrats. All there is to it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Should People be Forced to Pay dues to a Union as a Condition of their Employment?

If the employer and the union have agreed that the union will be the employees' representative in contract negotiations, etc.,

then the employee should have to accept the payment of agency fees as a condition of employment.

 

[Jughead]

Should People be Forced to Pay dues to a Union as a Condition of their Employment?

No. I support the Right to Work laws. We should not be required to join any union as a condition of employment.

 

[Publius1787]

In the ought-70's one condition of my summer employment was that I join the union. Pay was good (for that time), but the only time union reps made a visit to the plant was after it flooded. We worked our asses off drying and cleaning tons of bare steel.

Their response? It essentially was our fault it happened in the first place.

Then there were the older union farts that spent most their time standing around flapping jaw.

That was after the radicals (Communists/Socialists/Marxists/Fabians) were purged from the unions and before they came back to any great degree. The 70's were a time of radical resurgence in the unions. Then they got smashed by Reagan. Now the radicals are all that are left among union leadership. The American working man image among Union leaders has long been replaced by the unashamed Marxists in the left.

Then they got smashed by Reagan

outside of the Air Traffic Controllers...what other Union got "smashed" by Reagan?....and what happened to them was their doing...

The Air traffic controllers were a test case for the unions. There isn't a labor historian alive who wont tell you this. They will all tell you that Reagans victory over the ATC's "set unions back" for years to come. It spurred unionization on the decline and now very few unions by comparison are private sector. The honest labor historians will also tell you that Reagans victory over the ATC's motivated businesses from all over the world to invest in America and lead to a quicker economic recovery.