SJW's have ruined Movies/TVseries

[Correll]

1. Enjoyability might be the only thing that matters to you. I think good movie elements, such as believable characters, plots that hold together and good special effects contribute to making a movie enjoyable, or even more enjoyable. And that discussing and thinking about such elements can be productive.


2. Nope. As I just stated, I can respect reasonable disagreements, especially on subjective matters. But BLACK PANTHER, is, imo, an extreme example of a bad phenomenon. Movies and society would improve, if there was significant pushback to this.


3. Your inability to understand me is understandable. I am very different than most people you likely know. If you care to, try paying more attention. YOu might learn something.

1. Enjoyability is the only thing that matters to anyone, even you. You just said those things make the movie more enjoyable. Who gives a fuck if a movie is "well made" but not enjoyable to watch?

2. But you cannot, you cannot respect that I enjoyed the movie, you have to make it about something more. You have to turn me into a mindless drone because I enjoyed the movie, you have no respect for anyone that does not bow down and tell you how fucking amazing you are.

3. I understand you better than you understand yourself. You have a highly inflated view of yourself, you are neither complicated nor different, all you are doing is parroting the far right wing line.

If enjoyability was the only thing that matters, all we would watch would be porn movies.

But some movies make you sad, some scare the shit out of you, some make you think, some are educational.

A good movie has an emotional impact on the viewer

Wow. Someone managed to put us on the same side on an issue. Pretty impressive.

Do you want to retract that? Maybe walk it back?

 

[Correll]

Conservatives make bad movies because conservative issues are pretty boring. Liberals write about the downtrodden, those wronged by society

Who wants to see a movie about how rich someone is?

YOur excuses for the discrimination that takes place in Hollywood, or any industry or group that liberals get a grip on,


is you supporting injustice.

 

[rightwinger]

1. You are the one who suggested a movie about the Avengers being led by Captain America into conflict with the Sakovia Accords because America is better. Natasha Romanov isn't American, or at least not originally (one can only guess that she may have US citizenship in the movies). Wanda Maximoff isn't American. Vision isn't American. Thor isn't American. Also, the US was one of the signatories of the Accords in the films.

2. One of the reasons Black Panther was so popular is that it gave representation to blacks in big budget superhero movies that they hadn't had before. Since whites have had the vast majority of representation is those sorts of movies, the same draw doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure the majority of the cast in every Marvel movie other than Black Panther has been white.

3. Again, the representation issue. While one could conceivably get a majority of the cast to be conservatives, that would not be obvious the way having a majority black cast is. One doesn't need to give lines to every extra for the audience to see they are largely black; the same is not true of seeing that they are conservative. So again, the same sort of 'pandering' wouldn't work.

4. How did the movie target Black Nationalists? If anything, I would think it specifically pushed them away, since the villain of the movie seems like the closest thing to a Black Nationalist.

I still don't know who you think it is that does not go to see Marvel movies now, but would if they were more...blatantly patriotic, or however you want to describe your preferred plan for the movies.

I'm also curious if you believe your ideas for what should be in movies have ever been done before?

1. The Black Widow would have no trouble following Captain America. Neither would Wanda, Vision, nor Thor. That America signed could have been done differently, or simply presented as a mistake by an overly accommodating American President.


2.Blade would like to have a word with you. AND, that was only ONE of the reasons. Plenty of other way to target an audience.


3. "Majority of cast" is the weakest of reasons. YOu would want conservative characters presented sympathetically, and conservative ideas as the premise and/or elements for the plot. A movie glamorizing America and traditional American ideals, would be very well received by American movie goers.


4. There were a number of ideas presented, that fit with Black Nationalism view points and conspiracy theories. From a sympathetic character calling the lead white a "colonizer" to blacks just being presented as extremely competent, to the idea of African as high tech. I heard an actual black nationalists telling a co-worker that Africa really was like that, in the past, before something. Not to mention that the villain was presented as having a reasonable point of view and given quite a bit of time to monologue and to be rude to various white people. Cause, racism.

1. Sure, you can have all of them follow Cap...but if his reasoning is "America great!" having them follow him would be way outside of their characters. None of them has ever been portrayed as American patriots.

2. Blade was a comic book movie with a black lead....written by a white guy, directed by a white guy, with a mostly white cast. I've heard or read quite a few people saying that the black representation in all the major aspects of the film were a big reason they were so high on the film. Also, Blade came out well before the current super hero renaissance. It wasn't nearly as popular as the Marvel movies are now, so had a lesser impact.

3. You asked pandering the same way Black Panther did. Black Panther had a black lead, mostly black cast, black director, black writers. Even people who didn't know about the director or writer could see the level of black representation in the film. That same sort of thing wouldn't work for an ideology.

4. Wow. Blacks being presented as extremely competent is Black Nationalism. The idea of a high tech nation in Africa is Black Nationalism. I wonder, is that who Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were targeting when they created the character, do you think?
Villains are often presented as having at least some degree of reason to their views. Hell, Thanos killed half the universe but was given a somewhat reasonable motivation.
"Rude to various white people"? Killmonger was rude to pretty much everyone.

I Googled "conservative films 2019" yesterday, and this was the top article, from National Review:
2018's Conservative Movies: The Top Ten | National Review

Black Panther made the list. This is a hoot.

Conservatives don’t make good movies

Boring

Any other group, not represented in an industry, and liberals seen discrimination as the only possible cause.

When it is them doing it, suddenly, there are soooooo many other reasons.


morons.

No law says conservatives can’t make movies.
If the market was there, they would be made.

 

[rightwinger]

Conservatives make bad movies because conservative issues are pretty boring. Liberals write about the downtrodden, those wronged by society

Who wants to see a movie about how rich someone is?

YOur excuses for the discrimination that takes place in Hollywood, or any industry or group that liberals get a grip on,


is you supporting injustice.

Once conservatives make movies that don’t suck, more movies will be made

 

[Correll]

1. The Black Widow would have no trouble following Captain America. Neither would Wanda, Vision, nor Thor. That America signed could have been done differently, or simply presented as a mistake by an overly accommodating American President.


2.Blade would like to have a word with you. AND, that was only ONE of the reasons. Plenty of other way to target an audience.


3. "Majority of cast" is the weakest of reasons. YOu would want conservative characters presented sympathetically, and conservative ideas as the premise and/or elements for the plot. A movie glamorizing America and traditional American ideals, would be very well received by American movie goers.


4. There were a number of ideas presented, that fit with Black Nationalism view points and conspiracy theories. From a sympathetic character calling the lead white a "colonizer" to blacks just being presented as extremely competent, to the idea of African as high tech. I heard an actual black nationalists telling a co-worker that Africa really was like that, in the past, before something. Not to mention that the villain was presented as having a reasonable point of view and given quite a bit of time to monologue and to be rude to various white people. Cause, racism.

1. Sure, you can have all of them follow Cap...but if his reasoning is "America great!" having them follow him would be way outside of their characters. None of them has ever been portrayed as American patriots.

2. Blade was a comic book movie with a black lead....written by a white guy, directed by a white guy, with a mostly white cast. I've heard or read quite a few people saying that the black representation in all the major aspects of the film were a big reason they were so high on the film. Also, Blade came out well before the current super hero renaissance. It wasn't nearly as popular as the Marvel movies are now, so had a lesser impact.

3. You asked pandering the same way Black Panther did. Black Panther had a black lead, mostly black cast, black director, black writers. Even people who didn't know about the director or writer could see the level of black representation in the film. That same sort of thing wouldn't work for an ideology.

4. Wow. Blacks being presented as extremely competent is Black Nationalism. The idea of a high tech nation in Africa is Black Nationalism. I wonder, is that who Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were targeting when they created the character, do you think?
Villains are often presented as having at least some degree of reason to their views. Hell, Thanos killed half the universe but was given a somewhat reasonable motivation.
"Rude to various white people"? Killmonger was rude to pretty much everyone.

I Googled "conservative films 2019" yesterday, and this was the top article, from National Review:
2018's Conservative Movies: The Top Ten | National Review

Black Panther made the list. This is a hoot.

Conservatives don’t make good movies

Boring

Any other group, not represented in an industry, and liberals seen discrimination as the only possible cause.

When it is them doing it, suddenly, there are soooooo many other reasons.


morons.

No law says conservatives can’t make movies.
If the market was there, they would be made.

Your pretense of no gatekeepers is just you being dishonest in your support of injustice.

 

[Correll]

Conservatives make bad movies because conservative issues are pretty boring. Liberals write about the downtrodden, those wronged by society

Who wants to see a movie about how rich someone is?

YOur excuses for the discrimination that takes place in Hollywood, or any industry or group that liberals get a grip on,


is you supporting injustice.

Once conservatives make movies that don’t suck, more movies will be made

Instead of making troll boy comments, you want to discuss the thread topic? Or are you just here to be a troll?

 

[rightwinger]

1. Sure, you can have all of them follow Cap...but if his reasoning is "America great!" having them follow him would be way outside of their characters. None of them has ever been portrayed as American patriots.

2. Blade was a comic book movie with a black lead....written by a white guy, directed by a white guy, with a mostly white cast. I've heard or read quite a few people saying that the black representation in all the major aspects of the film were a big reason they were so high on the film. Also, Blade came out well before the current super hero renaissance. It wasn't nearly as popular as the Marvel movies are now, so had a lesser impact.

3. You asked pandering the same way Black Panther did. Black Panther had a black lead, mostly black cast, black director, black writers. Even people who didn't know about the director or writer could see the level of black representation in the film. That same sort of thing wouldn't work for an ideology.

4. Wow. Blacks being presented as extremely competent is Black Nationalism. The idea of a high tech nation in Africa is Black Nationalism. I wonder, is that who Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were targeting when they created the character, do you think?
Villains are often presented as having at least some degree of reason to their views. Hell, Thanos killed half the universe but was given a somewhat reasonable motivation.
"Rude to various white people"? Killmonger was rude to pretty much everyone.

I Googled "conservative films 2019" yesterday, and this was the top article, from National Review:
2018's Conservative Movies: The Top Ten | National Review

Black Panther made the list. This is a hoot.

Conservatives don’t make good movies

Boring

Any other group, not represented in an industry, and liberals seen discrimination as the only possible cause.

When it is them doing it, suddenly, there are soooooo many other reasons.


morons.

No law says conservatives can’t make movies.
If the market was there, they would be made.

Your pretense of no gatekeepers is just you being dishonest in your support of injustice.

In today’s market there are no gatekeepers

Outside Hollywood you have Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Cable networks all looking for content.

If there was a market for Conservative content.....you would see more of those movies.

 

[Correll]

I Googled "conservative films 2019" yesterday, and this was the top article, from National Review:
2018's Conservative Movies: The Top Ten | National Review

Black Panther made the list. This is a hoot.

Conservatives don’t make good movies

Boring

Any other group, not represented in an industry, and liberals seen discrimination as the only possible cause.

When it is them doing it, suddenly, there are soooooo many other reasons.


morons.

No law says conservatives can’t make movies.
If the market was there, they would be made.

Your pretense of no gatekeepers is just you being dishonest in your support of injustice.

In today’s market there are no gatekeepers

Outside Hollywood you have Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Cable networks all looking for content.

If there was a market for Conservative content.....you would see more of those movies.

All drawing from the same industry. Any other group, being shut out, and you would see discrimination as the cause.


When it serves your purpose, suddenly you see ever reason EXCEPT discrimination.

 

[rightwinger]

Conservatives don’t make good movies

Boring

Any other group, not represented in an industry, and liberals seen discrimination as the only possible cause.

When it is them doing it, suddenly, there are soooooo many other reasons.


morons.

No law says conservatives can’t make movies.
If the market was there, they would be made.

Your pretense of no gatekeepers is just you being dishonest in your support of injustice.

In today’s market there are no gatekeepers

Outside Hollywood you have Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Cable networks all looking for content.

If there was a market for Conservative content.....you would see more of those movies.

All drawing from the same industry. Any other group, being shut out, and you would see discrimination as the cause.


When it serves your purpose, suddenly you see ever reason EXCEPT discrimination.

It is not the same industry.
Anyone with a camera and a good product can sell a movie. The market is huge. Netflix is constantly looking for new content.

If the market for crappy conservative movies was there....they would be made

 

[Correll]

Any other group, not represented in an industry, and liberals seen discrimination as the only possible cause.

When it is them doing it, suddenly, there are soooooo many other reasons.


morons.

No law says conservatives can’t make movies.
If the market was there, they would be made.

Your pretense of no gatekeepers is just you being dishonest in your support of injustice.

In today’s market there are no gatekeepers

Outside Hollywood you have Netflix, HBO, Hulu, Cable networks all looking for content.

If there was a market for Conservative content.....you would see more of those movies.

All drawing from the same industry. Any other group, being shut out, and you would see discrimination as the cause.


When it serves your purpose, suddenly you see ever reason EXCEPT discrimination.

It is not the same industry.
Anyone with a camera and a good product can sell a movie. The market is huge. Netflix is constantly looking for new content.

If the market for crappy conservative movies was there....they would be made

Netflix used to let viewers post comments and reviews on it's shows.


Then it created and posted Dear White People. A series that got such negative reviews that Netflix shut down the system.


THe man that created the show?


Justin Simien - Wikipedia


Educated in liberal industry school. Worked in LA in the industry. Made a file, that fit the industry lib world view and was loved by the industry.


Netflix went looking for content, they went to the same industry, run by the same gatekeepers.


Your denial of this reality is just you protecting an advantage control of pop culture gives your side. And injustice.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

1. Good movie elements, even if you are not aware of them, are generally a big part of how you get to enjoyability. Do you really want characters who are not believable, even the context of a fictional, comic book universe? Do you really never see a scene where a character does something, and you feel a clunk, and the bad writing drops you out of the story, and into, "ouch, that was not what that character would do"?


2. I can respect your enjoying it. We all have "guilty pleasures". I could even respect if you did not want to discuss the flaws of a movie that you love, because you are such a fanboy. And I do not use that term as a bad thing. But you choose to enter a thread that was obviously going to be about film critique. And I can certainly not respect any use of the Race Card. Anyone that does that, deserves to be called on it.


3. You understand nothing. Indeed, there is no "far right wing line", at least at this point in time. We are in flux. If you were unaware of that....

1. And again, what is enjoyable is different from person to person, but you cannot grasp this for some odd reason.

2. You are the one that brought race into the discussion, not I

3. I am sure that helps you to sleep at night, but there is a far right line and it is repeated on 1000 talk shows daily across the country. You are just a drone for them, nothing more.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

1. The Black Widow would have no trouble following Captain America. Neither would Wanda, Vision, nor Thor. That America signed could have been done differently, or simply presented as a mistake by an overly accommodating American President.


2.Blade would like to have a word with you. AND, that was only ONE of the reasons. Plenty of other way to target an audience.


3. "Majority of cast" is the weakest of reasons. YOu would want conservative characters presented sympathetically, and conservative ideas as the premise and/or elements for the plot. A movie glamorizing America and traditional American ideals, would be very well received by American movie goers.


4. There were a number of ideas presented, that fit with Black Nationalism view points and conspiracy theories. From a sympathetic character calling the lead white a "colonizer" to blacks just being presented as extremely competent, to the idea of African as high tech. I heard an actual black nationalists telling a co-worker that Africa really was like that, in the past, before something. Not to mention that the villain was presented as having a reasonable point of view and given quite a bit of time to monologue and to be rude to various white people. Cause, racism.

1. Sure, you can have all of them follow Cap...but if his reasoning is "America great!" having them follow him would be way outside of their characters. None of them has ever been portrayed as American patriots.

2. Blade was a comic book movie with a black lead....written by a white guy, directed by a white guy, with a mostly white cast. I've heard or read quite a few people saying that the black representation in all the major aspects of the film were a big reason they were so high on the film. Also, Blade came out well before the current super hero renaissance. It wasn't nearly as popular as the Marvel movies are now, so had a lesser impact.

3. You asked pandering the same way Black Panther did. Black Panther had a black lead, mostly black cast, black director, black writers. Even people who didn't know about the director or writer could see the level of black representation in the film. That same sort of thing wouldn't work for an ideology.

4. Wow. Blacks being presented as extremely competent is Black Nationalism. The idea of a high tech nation in Africa is Black Nationalism. I wonder, is that who Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were targeting when they created the character, do you think?
Villains are often presented as having at least some degree of reason to their views. Hell, Thanos killed half the universe but was given a somewhat reasonable motivation.
"Rude to various white people"? Killmonger was rude to pretty much everyone.

I Googled "conservative films 2019" yesterday, and this was the top article, from National Review:
2018's Conservative Movies: The Top Ten | National Review

Black Panther made the list. This is a hoot.

Conservatives don’t make good movies

Boring

Any other group, not represented in an industry, and liberals seen discrimination as the only possible cause.

When it is them doing it, suddenly, there are soooooo many other reasons.


morons.

No law says conservatives can’t make movies.
If the market was there, they would be made.

They do make them, look up Kirk Cameron...he has made a lot of conservative movies and they all sucked.

 

[rightwinger]

1. Sure, you can have all of them follow Cap...but if his reasoning is "America great!" having them follow him would be way outside of their characters. None of them has ever been portrayed as American patriots.

2. Blade was a comic book movie with a black lead....written by a white guy, directed by a white guy, with a mostly white cast. I've heard or read quite a few people saying that the black representation in all the major aspects of the film were a big reason they were so high on the film. Also, Blade came out well before the current super hero renaissance. It wasn't nearly as popular as the Marvel movies are now, so had a lesser impact.

3. You asked pandering the same way Black Panther did. Black Panther had a black lead, mostly black cast, black director, black writers. Even people who didn't know about the director or writer could see the level of black representation in the film. That same sort of thing wouldn't work for an ideology.

4. Wow. Blacks being presented as extremely competent is Black Nationalism. The idea of a high tech nation in Africa is Black Nationalism. I wonder, is that who Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were targeting when they created the character, do you think?
Villains are often presented as having at least some degree of reason to their views. Hell, Thanos killed half the universe but was given a somewhat reasonable motivation.
"Rude to various white people"? Killmonger was rude to pretty much everyone.

I Googled "conservative films 2019" yesterday, and this was the top article, from National Review:
2018's Conservative Movies: The Top Ten | National Review

Black Panther made the list. This is a hoot.

Conservatives don’t make good movies

Boring

Any other group, not represented in an industry, and liberals seen discrimination as the only possible cause.

When it is them doing it, suddenly, there are soooooo many other reasons.


morons.

No law says conservatives can’t make movies.
If the market was there, they would be made.

They do make them, look up Kirk Cameron...he has made a lot of conservative movies and they all sucked.

All Hallmark movies are targeted to a Christian conservative market.
Yet they stay away from movies about locking up Mexican families

 

[FA_Q2]

Conservatives make bad movies because conservative issues are pretty boring. Liberals write about the downtrodden, those wronged by society

Who wants to see a movie about how rich someone is?

YOur excuses for the discrimination that takes place in Hollywood, or any industry or group that liberals get a grip on,


is you supporting injustice.

Once conservatives make movies that don’t suck, more movies will be made

Who says they don't?

I usually have no idea what the politics of a movie producer or see any politics in a movie in general.

There is just a recent rash of them that are overtly political in nature and preachy. Those movies and shows, in general, suck.

Like I said earlier, Supergirl from CW is a good example of the show plowing political bullshit where it does not belong. The invention of Lying is another one - a movie that should have been fantastic but went off the deep end to be anti religious.

 

[Correll]

1. Good movie elements, even if you are not aware of them, are generally a big part of how you get to enjoyability. Do you really want characters who are not believable, even the context of a fictional, comic book universe? Do you really never see a scene where a character does something, and you feel a clunk, and the bad writing drops you out of the story, and into, "ouch, that was not what that character would do"?


2. I can respect your enjoying it. We all have "guilty pleasures". I could even respect if you did not want to discuss the flaws of a movie that you love, because you are such a fanboy. And I do not use that term as a bad thing. But you choose to enter a thread that was obviously going to be about film critique. And I can certainly not respect any use of the Race Card. Anyone that does that, deserves to be called on it.


3. You understand nothing. Indeed, there is no "far right wing line", at least at this point in time. We are in flux. If you were unaware of that....

1. And again, what is enjoyable is different from person to person, but you cannot grasp this for some odd reason.

2. You are the one that brought race into the discussion, not I

3. I am sure that helps you to sleep at night, but there is a far right line and it is repeated on 1000 talk shows daily across the country. You are just a drone for them, nothing more.

1. Do you really never see a scene where a character does something, and you feel a clunk, and the bad writing drops you out of the story, and into, "ouch, that was not what that character would do"?


2. Bringing up race is not using the race card. Do not insult the intelligence of everyone reading this, by pretending to not know what the Race Card is.

3. That is nonsense. The right, even the "far right" is in a terrible state of flux. There are huge ideological and pragmatic differences of opinion and position that are putting people massively at odds. If you missed this....you have not been paying attention.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

1. Good movie elements, even if you are not aware of them, are generally a big part of how you get to enjoyability. Do you really want characters who are not believable, even the context of a fictional, comic book universe? Do you really never see a scene where a character does something, and you feel a clunk, and the bad writing drops you out of the story, and into, "ouch, that was not what that character would do"?


2. I can respect your enjoying it. We all have "guilty pleasures". I could even respect if you did not want to discuss the flaws of a movie that you love, because you are such a fanboy. And I do not use that term as a bad thing. But you choose to enter a thread that was obviously going to be about film critique. And I can certainly not respect any use of the Race Card. Anyone that does that, deserves to be called on it.


3. You understand nothing. Indeed, there is no "far right wing line", at least at this point in time. We are in flux. If you were unaware of that....

1. And again, what is enjoyable is different from person to person, but you cannot grasp this for some odd reason.

2. You are the one that brought race into the discussion, not I

3. I am sure that helps you to sleep at night, but there is a far right line and it is repeated on 1000 talk shows daily across the country. You are just a drone for them, nothing more.

1. Do you really never see a scene where a character does something, and you feel a clunk, and the bad writing drops you out of the story, and into, "ouch, that was not what that character would do"?


2. Bringing up race is not using the race card. Do not insult the intelligence of everyone reading this, by pretending to not know what the Race Card is.

3. That is nonsense. The right, even the "far right" is in a terrible state of flux. There are huge ideological and pragmatic differences of opinion and position that are putting people massively at odds. If you missed this....you have not been paying attention.

1. And then that movie would not be enjoyable, happens all the time. there are a lot of bad movies out there.

2. You used the race card, you basically said that everyone that claimed to like Black Panther was pandering to the blacks or too afraid of them to say so.

3. Oh please, you people do and believe what you are told to believe, nothing more. You keep trying to give yourself far too much credit that your post on this forum does not support.

 

[Correll]

1. Good movie elements, even if you are not aware of them, are generally a big part of how you get to enjoyability. Do you really want characters who are not believable, even the context of a fictional, comic book universe? Do you really never see a scene where a character does something, and you feel a clunk, and the bad writing drops you out of the story, and into, "ouch, that was not what that character would do"?


2. I can respect your enjoying it. We all have "guilty pleasures". I could even respect if you did not want to discuss the flaws of a movie that you love, because you are such a fanboy. And I do not use that term as a bad thing. But you choose to enter a thread that was obviously going to be about film critique. And I can certainly not respect any use of the Race Card. Anyone that does that, deserves to be called on it.


3. You understand nothing. Indeed, there is no "far right wing line", at least at this point in time. We are in flux. If you were unaware of that....

1. And again, what is enjoyable is different from person to person, but you cannot grasp this for some odd reason.

2. You are the one that brought race into the discussion, not I

3. I am sure that helps you to sleep at night, but there is a far right line and it is repeated on 1000 talk shows daily across the country. You are just a drone for them, nothing more.

1. Do you really never see a scene where a character does something, and you feel a clunk, and the bad writing drops you out of the story, and into, "ouch, that was not what that character would do"?


2. Bringing up race is not using the race card. Do not insult the intelligence of everyone reading this, by pretending to not know what the Race Card is.

3. That is nonsense. The right, even the "far right" is in a terrible state of flux. There are huge ideological and pragmatic differences of opinion and position that are putting people massively at odds. If you missed this....you have not been paying attention.

1. And then that movie would not be enjoyable, happens all the time. there are a lot of bad movies out there.

2. You used the race card, you basically said that everyone that claimed to like Black Panther was pandering to the blacks or too afraid of them to say so.

3. Oh please, you people do and believe what you are told to believe, nothing more. You keep trying to give yourself far too much credit that your post on this forum does not support.

1. And discussing why that happens, how it happens, how to avoid it, is completely reasonable discussion.

2. Your pretense of not knowing what the Race Card is, is denied. Stop fucking around.

3. Your need to dismiss my view, is your brain trying to defend a worldview you know cannot survive serious challenge.

 

[Lysistrata]

1. Sure, you can have all of them follow Cap...but if his reasoning is "America great!" having them follow him would be way outside of their characters. None of them has ever been portrayed as American patriots.

2. Blade was a comic book movie with a black lead....written by a white guy, directed by a white guy, with a mostly white cast. I've heard or read quite a few people saying that the black representation in all the major aspects of the film were a big reason they were so high on the film. Also, Blade came out well before the current super hero renaissance. It wasn't nearly as popular as the Marvel movies are now, so had a lesser impact.

3. You asked pandering the same way Black Panther did. Black Panther had a black lead, mostly black cast, black director, black writers. Even people who didn't know about the director or writer could see the level of black representation in the film. That same sort of thing wouldn't work for an ideology.

4. Wow. Blacks being presented as extremely competent is Black Nationalism. The idea of a high tech nation in Africa is Black Nationalism. I wonder, is that who Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were targeting when they created the character, do you think?
Villains are often presented as having at least some degree of reason to their views. Hell, Thanos killed half the universe but was given a somewhat reasonable motivation.
"Rude to various white people"? Killmonger was rude to pretty much everyone.

I Googled "conservative films 2019" yesterday, and this was the top article, from National Review:
2018's Conservative Movies: The Top Ten | National Review

Black Panther made the list. This is a hoot.

Conservatives don’t make good movies

Boring

Any other group, not represented in an industry, and liberals seen discrimination as the only possible cause.

When it is them doing it, suddenly, there are soooooo many other reasons.


morons.

No law says conservatives can’t make movies.
If the market was there, they would be made.

Your pretense of no gatekeepers is just you being dishonest in your support of injustice.

Your reference to "support of injustice" is so over-the-top that it's flaming. Prove that anyone is being shut out of the movie industry. Name even one film that was "shut out." You can't. There are all sorts of theater festivals. Go write a screenplay, or a book that can be turned into a screenplay. Rightwingers are flush with cash so I would think that you can get financing to make the film and distribute it. Your creative efforts may be warmly greeted by the movie-going public.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

3. Your need to dismiss my view, is your brain trying to defend a worldview you know cannot survive serious challenge.

you might want to look up irony in the dictionary, as you have dismissed my opinion of Black Panther this entire thread.

you really are a mess

 

[Lysistrata]

1. Good movie elements, even if you are not aware of them, are generally a big part of how you get to enjoyability. Do you really want characters who are not believable, even the context of a fictional, comic book universe? Do you really never see a scene where a character does something, and you feel a clunk, and the bad writing drops you out of the story, and into, "ouch, that was not what that character would do"?


2. I can respect your enjoying it. We all have "guilty pleasures". I could even respect if you did not want to discuss the flaws of a movie that you love, because you are such a fanboy. And I do not use that term as a bad thing. But you choose to enter a thread that was obviously going to be about film critique. And I can certainly not respect any use of the Race Card. Anyone that does that, deserves to be called on it.


3. You understand nothing. Indeed, there is no "far right wing line", at least at this point in time. We are in flux. If you were unaware of that....

1. And again, what is enjoyable is different from person to person, but you cannot grasp this for some odd reason.

2. You are the one that brought race into the discussion, not I

3. I am sure that helps you to sleep at night, but there is a far right line and it is repeated on 1000 talk shows daily across the country. You are just a drone for them, nothing more.

1. Do you really never see a scene where a character does something, and you feel a clunk, and the bad writing drops you out of the story, and into, "ouch, that was not what that character would do"?


2. Bringing up race is not using the race card. Do not insult the intelligence of everyone reading this, by pretending to not know what the Race Card is.

3. That is nonsense. The right, even the "far right" is in a terrible state of flux. There are huge ideological and pragmatic differences of opinion and position that are putting people massively at odds. If you missed this....you have not been paying attention.

1. And then that movie would not be enjoyable, happens all the time. there are a lot of bad movies out there.

2. You used the race card, you basically said that everyone that claimed to like Black Panther was pandering to the blacks or too afraid of them to say so.

3. Oh please, you people do and believe what you are told to believe, nothing more. You keep trying to give yourself far too much credit that your post on this forum does not support.

1. And discussing why that happens, how it happens, how to avoid it, is completely reasonable discussion.

2. Your pretense of not knowing what the Race Card is, is denied. Stop fucking around.

3. Your need to dismiss my view, is your brain trying to defend a worldview you know cannot survive serious challenge.

You first have to offer a serious challenge.