Smithsonian: How to Talk with Evangelicals about Evolution

[Ringtone]

I'm still fascinated by the Evolutionary explanation of how the first cells appeared: well, they just did! We know they existed, therefore evolution!

Darwin didn't shed any light on the creation of organic cells and still today, there two very different, and equally plausible explanations for the source of organic cells on Earth. But the science is never settled, as no science ever is.

We know by experimentation that carbon-based organic molecules will spontaneously combine from existing free elements under conditions found in nature.

Hydrocarbon chains are ubiquitous in nature, but cellular membranes are comprised of complex and precisely arranged molecular compounds, namely, phospholipids and proteins. In the first place, the molecular precursors of phospholipids and proteins, in and of themselves, do not spontaneously combine in raw nature, i.e., outside living cells.

We also know that organic molecules that exist in space and which exist in our solar system have been found on meteorites found on Earth.

Either explanation could explain the existence of organic molecules -- or --- both could be true.

The existence of the underlying chemical substance of organic molecules isn’t really what needs to be explained. We know that life is comprised of the stuff of the universe, and we know for a fact that a few amines and amino acids are naturally produced in outer space and in serpentinizing rocks on seafloors.

Under variously simulated environmental and atmospheric conditions in the laboratory, we have synthesized 31 amino acids, 17 of which are among the 20 of life, 6 amines, 12 peptides, the purines and pyrimidines of life, and the ribonucleotides cytosine and uracil. But here’s the caveat. Other than the few amines and amino acids produced in raw nature, we can’t produce the others outside the carefully controlled conditions of the laboratory.

 

[Hollie]

I'm still fascinated by the Evolutionary explanation of how the first cells appeared: well, they just did! We know they existed, therefore evolution!

Darwin didn't shed any light on the creation of organic cells and still today, there two very different, and equally plausible explanations for the source of organic cells on Earth. But the science is never settled, as no science ever is.

We know by experimentation that carbon-based organic molecules will spontaneously combine from existing free elements under conditions found in nature.

Hydrocarbon chains are ubiquitous in nature, but cellular membranes are comprised of complex and precisely arranged molecular compounds, namely, phospholipids and proteins. In the first place, the molecular precursors of phospholipids and proteins, in and of themselves, do not spontaneously combine in raw nature, i.e., outside living cells.

We also know that organic molecules that exist in space and which exist in our solar system have been found on meteorites found on Earth.

Either explanation could explain the existence of organic molecules -- or --- both could be true.

The existence of the underlying chemical substance of organic molecules isn’t really what needs to be explained. We know that life is comprised of the stuff of the universe, and we know for a fact that a few amines and amino acids are naturally produced in outer space and in serpentinizing rocks on seafloors.

Under variously simulated environmental and atmospheric conditions in the laboratory, we have synthesized 31 amino acids, 17 of which are among the 20 of life, 6 amines, 12 peptides, the purines and pyrimidines of life, and the ribonucleotides cytosine and uracil. But here’s the caveat. Other than the few amines and amino acids produced in raw nature, we can’t produce the others outside the carefully controlled conditions of the laboratory.

The usual gods of the gap pleading.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm still fascinated by the Evolutionary explanation of how the first cells appeared: well, they just did! We know they existed, therefore evolution!

Darwin didn't shed any light on the creation of organic cells and still today, there two very different, and equally plausible explanations for the source of organic cells on Earth. But the science is never settled, as no science ever is.

We know by experimentation that carbon-based organic molecules will spontaneously combine from existing free elements under conditions found in nature.

Hydrocarbon chains are ubiquitous in nature, but cellular membranes are comprised of complex and precisely arranged molecular compounds, namely, phospholipids and proteins. In the first place, the molecular precursors of phospholipids and proteins, in and of themselves, do not spontaneously combine in raw nature, i.e., outside living cells.

We also know that organic molecules that exist in space and which exist in our solar system have been found on meteorites found on Earth.

Either explanation could explain the existence of organic molecules -- or --- both could be true.

The existence of the underlying chemical substance of organic molecules isn’t really what needs to be explained. We know that life is comprised of the stuff of the universe, and we know for a fact that a few amines and amino acids are naturally produced in outer space and in serpentinizing rocks on seafloors.

Under variously simulated environmental and atmospheric conditions in the laboratory, we have synthesized 31 amino acids, 17 of which are among the 20 of life, 6 amines, 12 peptides, the purines and pyrimidines of life, and the ribonucleotides cytosine and uracil. But here’s the caveat. Other than the few amines and amino acids produced in raw nature, we can’t produce the others outside the carefully controlled conditions of the laboratory.

The usual gods of the gap pleading.

Right, there must have been first cells: therefore evolution!

Science = Settled!

 

[Hollie]

I'm still fascinated by the Evolutionary explanation of how the first cells appeared: well, they just did! We know they existed, therefore evolution!

Darwin didn't shed any light on the creation of organic cells and still today, there two very different, and equally plausible explanations for the source of organic cells on Earth. But the science is never settled, as no science ever is.

We know by experimentation that carbon-based organic molecules will spontaneously combine from existing free elements under conditions found in nature.

Hydrocarbon chains are ubiquitous in nature, but cellular membranes are comprised of complex and precisely arranged molecular compounds, namely, phospholipids and proteins. In the first place, the molecular precursors of phospholipids and proteins, in and of themselves, do not spontaneously combine in raw nature, i.e., outside living cells.

We also know that organic molecules that exist in space and which exist in our solar system have been found on meteorites found on Earth.

Either explanation could explain the existence of organic molecules -- or --- both could be true.

The existence of the underlying chemical substance of organic molecules isn’t really what needs to be explained. We know that life is comprised of the stuff of the universe, and we know for a fact that a few amines and amino acids are naturally produced in outer space and in serpentinizing rocks on seafloors.

Under variously simulated environmental and atmospheric conditions in the laboratory, we have synthesized 31 amino acids, 17 of which are among the 20 of life, 6 amines, 12 peptides, the purines and pyrimidines of life, and the ribonucleotides cytosine and uracil. But here’s the caveat. Other than the few amines and amino acids produced in raw nature, we can’t produce the others outside the carefully controlled conditions of the laboratory.

The usual gods of the gap pleading.

Right, there must have been first cells: therefore evolution!

Science = Settled!

Well, if you find it too confusing, just screech out “the gawds did it”.

 

[Hollie]

I'm still fascinated by the Evolutionary explanation of how the first cells appeared: well, they just did! We know they existed, therefore evolution!

Darwin didn't shed any light on the creation of organic cells and still today, there two very different, and equally plausible explanations for the source of organic cells on Earth. But the science is never settled, as no science ever is.

We know by experimentation that carbon-based organic molecules will spontaneously combine from existing free elements under conditions found in nature.

Hydrocarbon chains are ubiquitous in nature, but cellular membranes are comprised of complex and precisely arranged molecular compounds, namely, phospholipids and proteins. In the first place, the molecular precursors of phospholipids and proteins, in and of themselves, do not spontaneously combine in raw nature, i.e., outside living cells.

We also know that organic molecules that exist in space and which exist in our solar system have been found on meteorites found on Earth.

Either explanation could explain the existence of organic molecules -- or --- both could be true.

The existence of the underlying chemical substance of organic molecules isn’t really what needs to be explained. We know that life is comprised of the stuff of the universe, and we know for a fact that a few amines and amino acids are naturally produced in outer space and in serpentinizing rocks on seafloors.

Under variously simulated environmental and atmospheric conditions in the laboratory, we have synthesized 31 amino acids, 17 of which are among the 20 of life, 6 amines, 12 peptides, the purines and pyrimidines of life, and the ribonucleotides cytosine and uracil. But here’s the caveat. Other than the few amines and amino acids produced in raw nature, we can’t produce the others outside the carefully controlled conditions of the laboratory.

What, exactly, is “raw nature”?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm still fascinated by the Evolutionary explanation of how the first cells appeared: well, they just did! We know they existed, therefore evolution!

Darwin didn't shed any light on the creation of organic cells and still today, there two very different, and equally plausible explanations for the source of organic cells on Earth. But the science is never settled, as no science ever is.

We know by experimentation that carbon-based organic molecules will spontaneously combine from existing free elements under conditions found in nature.

Hydrocarbon chains are ubiquitous in nature, but cellular membranes are comprised of complex and precisely arranged molecular compounds, namely, phospholipids and proteins. In the first place, the molecular precursors of phospholipids and proteins, in and of themselves, do not spontaneously combine in raw nature, i.e., outside living cells.

We also know that organic molecules that exist in space and which exist in our solar system have been found on meteorites found on Earth.

Either explanation could explain the existence of organic molecules -- or --- both could be true.

The existence of the underlying chemical substance of organic molecules isn’t really what needs to be explained. We know that life is comprised of the stuff of the universe, and we know for a fact that a few amines and amino acids are naturally produced in outer space and in serpentinizing rocks on seafloors.

Under variously simulated environmental and atmospheric conditions in the laboratory, we have synthesized 31 amino acids, 17 of which are among the 20 of life, 6 amines, 12 peptides, the purines and pyrimidines of life, and the ribonucleotides cytosine and uracil. But here’s the caveat. Other than the few amines and amino acids produced in raw nature, we can’t produce the others outside the carefully controlled conditions of the laboratory.

The usual gods of the gap pleading.

Right, there must have been first cells: therefore evolution!

Science = Settled!

Well, if you find it too confusing, just screech out “the gawds did it”.

It's not "too confusing" it's just physically soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unlikely as to be impossible

Cells are not Lego Blocks Dear, they are EXTREMELY Complex and must function PERFECTLY; that doesn't happen by random collisions

 

[abu afak]

Cells are not Lego Blocks Dear, they are EXTREMELY Complex and must function PERFECTLY; that doesn't happen by random collisions

After the first cell triggered for whatever reason, nothing was "perfect." If it had enough faults it didn't live.
If it had some beneficial faults/mutation, they did better than the original and flourished.. and so on..
What better means changes as the environment changes.

No matter.
It's idiotic to look at current TRIAL-and-ERROR life (and many many more times the extinctions) as "perfect."
It's what's left after many times as many failed organisms.
Yeah, what's Left looks "perfect" or it would not have survived.
It was not engineered/ID, it's survivors and mutations.
And we/All life is still evolving.

`

 

[Hollie]

I'm still fascinated by the Evolutionary explanation of how the first cells appeared: well, they just did! We know they existed, therefore evolution!

Darwin didn't shed any light on the creation of organic cells and still today, there two very different, and equally plausible explanations for the source of organic cells on Earth. But the science is never settled, as no science ever is.

We know by experimentation that carbon-based organic molecules will spontaneously combine from existing free elements under conditions found in nature.

Hydrocarbon chains are ubiquitous in nature, but cellular membranes are comprised of complex and precisely arranged molecular compounds, namely, phospholipids and proteins. In the first place, the molecular precursors of phospholipids and proteins, in and of themselves, do not spontaneously combine in raw nature, i.e., outside living cells.

We also know that organic molecules that exist in space and which exist in our solar system have been found on meteorites found on Earth.

Either explanation could explain the existence of organic molecules -- or --- both could be true.

The existence of the underlying chemical substance of organic molecules isn’t really what needs to be explained. We know that life is comprised of the stuff of the universe, and we know for a fact that a few amines and amino acids are naturally produced in outer space and in serpentinizing rocks on seafloors.

Under variously simulated environmental and atmospheric conditions in the laboratory, we have synthesized 31 amino acids, 17 of which are among the 20 of life, 6 amines, 12 peptides, the purines and pyrimidines of life, and the ribonucleotides cytosine and uracil. But here’s the caveat. Other than the few amines and amino acids produced in raw nature, we can’t produce the others outside the carefully controlled conditions of the laboratory.

The usual gods of the gap pleading.

Right, there must have been first cells: therefore evolution!

Science = Settled!

Well, if you find it too confusing, just screech out “the gawds did it”.

It's not "too confusing" it's just physically soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unlikely as to be impossible

Cells are not Lego Blocks Dear, they are EXTREMELY Complex and must function PERFECTLY; that doesn't happen by random collisions

Yes, the usual gods of the gaps pleading.

“It’s too complicated, therefore, “the gawds did it”.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm still fascinated by the Evolutionary explanation of how the first cells appeared: well, they just did! We know they existed, therefore evolution!

Darwin didn't shed any light on the creation of organic cells and still today, there two very different, and equally plausible explanations for the source of organic cells on Earth. But the science is never settled, as no science ever is.

We know by experimentation that carbon-based organic molecules will spontaneously combine from existing free elements under conditions found in nature.

Hydrocarbon chains are ubiquitous in nature, but cellular membranes are comprised of complex and precisely arranged molecular compounds, namely, phospholipids and proteins. In the first place, the molecular precursors of phospholipids and proteins, in and of themselves, do not spontaneously combine in raw nature, i.e., outside living cells.

We also know that organic molecules that exist in space and which exist in our solar system have been found on meteorites found on Earth.

Either explanation could explain the existence of organic molecules -- or --- both could be true.

The existence of the underlying chemical substance of organic molecules isn’t really what needs to be explained. We know that life is comprised of the stuff of the universe, and we know for a fact that a few amines and amino acids are naturally produced in outer space and in serpentinizing rocks on seafloors.

Under variously simulated environmental and atmospheric conditions in the laboratory, we have synthesized 31 amino acids, 17 of which are among the 20 of life, 6 amines, 12 peptides, the purines and pyrimidines of life, and the ribonucleotides cytosine and uracil. But here’s the caveat. Other than the few amines and amino acids produced in raw nature, we can’t produce the others outside the carefully controlled conditions of the laboratory.

The usual gods of the gap pleading.

Right, there must have been first cells: therefore evolution!

Science = Settled!

Well, if you find it too confusing, just screech out “the gawds did it”.

It's not "too confusing" it's just physically soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unlikely as to be impossible

Cells are not Lego Blocks Dear, they are EXTREMELY Complex and must function PERFECTLY; that doesn't happen by random collisions

Yes, the usual gods of the gaps pleading.

“It’s too complicated, therefore, “the gawds did it”.

I can't explain it, therefore evolution!

Sounds a lot like the missing science behind Climate Change. Yeah we can't ever demonstrate any of it and the math assures that our Theory fail, but we have Consensus!

Did you know that single Cells are complex?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Cells are not Lego Blocks Dear, they are EXTREMELY Complex and must function PERFECTLY; that doesn't happen by random collisions

After the first cell triggered for whatever reason, nothing was "perfect." If it had enough faults it didn't live.
If it had some beneficial faults/mutation, they did better than the original and flourished.. and so on..
What better means changes as the environment changes.

No matter.
It's idiotic to look at current TRIAL-and-ERROR life (and many many more times the extinctions) as "perfect."
It's what's left after many times as many failed organisms.
Yeah, what's Left looks "perfect" or it would not have survived.
It was not engineered/ID, it's survivors and mutations.
And we/All life is still evolving.

`

So explain to me how the proteins that handle say, digestion, were just hanging out in the "primordial soup" Your G-d of the Glops, just hung out waiting to place themselves perfectly in the first cell and knew enough not to digest the cell it - magically - just created

Don't bother.

"It's too complex, but we know it happened - cuz evolution made the first cell, therefore, evolution made the first cell! Science = settled!"

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Primordial Soup = G-d of the Glops. It accounts for everything! It's a soup and soup is good food!

 

[Hollie]

I'm still fascinated by the Evolutionary explanation of how the first cells appeared: well, they just did! We know they existed, therefore evolution!

Darwin didn't shed any light on the creation of organic cells and still today, there two very different, and equally plausible explanations for the source of organic cells on Earth. But the science is never settled, as no science ever is.

We know by experimentation that carbon-based organic molecules will spontaneously combine from existing free elements under conditions found in nature.

Hydrocarbon chains are ubiquitous in nature, but cellular membranes are comprised of complex and precisely arranged molecular compounds, namely, phospholipids and proteins. In the first place, the molecular precursors of phospholipids and proteins, in and of themselves, do not spontaneously combine in raw nature, i.e., outside living cells.

We also know that organic molecules that exist in space and which exist in our solar system have been found on meteorites found on Earth.

Either explanation could explain the existence of organic molecules -- or --- both could be true.

The existence of the underlying chemical substance of organic molecules isn’t really what needs to be explained. We know that life is comprised of the stuff of the universe, and we know for a fact that a few amines and amino acids are naturally produced in outer space and in serpentinizing rocks on seafloors.

Under variously simulated environmental and atmospheric conditions in the laboratory, we have synthesized 31 amino acids, 17 of which are among the 20 of life, 6 amines, 12 peptides, the purines and pyrimidines of life, and the ribonucleotides cytosine and uracil. But here’s the caveat. Other than the few amines and amino acids produced in raw nature, we can’t produce the others outside the carefully controlled conditions of the laboratory.

The usual gods of the gap pleading.

Right, there must have been first cells: therefore evolution!

Science = Settled!

Well, if you find it too confusing, just screech out “the gawds did it”.

It's not "too confusing" it's just physically soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unlikely as to be impossible

Cells are not Lego Blocks Dear, they are EXTREMELY Complex and must function PERFECTLY; that doesn't happen by random collisions

Yes, the usual gods of the gaps pleading.

“It’s too complicated, therefore, “the gawds did it”.

I can't explain it, therefore evolution!

Sounds a lot like the missing science behind Climate Change. Yeah we can't ever demonstrate any of it and the math assures that our Theory fail, but we have Consensus!

Did you know that single Cells are complex?

Well, actually, the biological sciences have gone a long say toward confirming the mechanisms of evolution. Most of us began learning about the biological sciences as early as 7th grade.

How strange that the biological sciences have given us medicines that cure disease even when prayer and rattling bones aren’t as effective.

Can you identify where the theory of evolution fails? And, more importantly, can you post the ID’iot creationer “General Theory of The Gawds Did It”?

It would be swell if we could finally abandon knowledge and learning and just trust your Allah god to make everything peachy keen.

 

[Hollie]

Cells are not Lego Blocks Dear, they are EXTREMELY Complex and must function PERFECTLY; that doesn't happen by random collisions

After the first cell triggered for whatever reason, nothing was "perfect." If it had enough faults it didn't live.
If it had some beneficial faults/mutation, they did better than the original and flourished.. and so on..
What better means changes as the environment changes.

No matter.
It's idiotic to look at current TRIAL-and-ERROR life (and many many more times the extinctions) as "perfect."
It's what's left after many times as many failed organisms.
Yeah, what's Left looks "perfect" or it would not have survived.
It was not engineered/ID, it's survivors and mutations.
And we/All life is still evolving.

`

So explain to me how the proteins that handle say, digestion, were just hanging out in the "primordial soup" Your G-d of the Glops, just hung out waiting to place themselves perfectly in the first cell and knew enough not to digest the cell it - magically - just created

Don't bother.

"It's too complex, but we know it happened - cuz evolution made the first cell, therefore, evolution made the first cell! Science = settled!"

It’s pretty typical for “the gods did it’ists” to equate evolution with abiogenesis.

It’s like they never studied much of the STEM field subjects at the Benny Hinn madrassah.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm still fascinated by the Evolutionary explanation of how the first cells appeared: well, they just did! We know they existed, therefore evolution!

Darwin didn't shed any light on the creation of organic cells and still today, there two very different, and equally plausible explanations for the source of organic cells on Earth. But the science is never settled, as no science ever is.

We know by experimentation that carbon-based organic molecules will spontaneously combine from existing free elements under conditions found in nature.

Hydrocarbon chains are ubiquitous in nature, but cellular membranes are comprised of complex and precisely arranged molecular compounds, namely, phospholipids and proteins. In the first place, the molecular precursors of phospholipids and proteins, in and of themselves, do not spontaneously combine in raw nature, i.e., outside living cells.

We also know that organic molecules that exist in space and which exist in our solar system have been found on meteorites found on Earth.

Either explanation could explain the existence of organic molecules -- or --- both could be true.

The existence of the underlying chemical substance of organic molecules isn’t really what needs to be explained. We know that life is comprised of the stuff of the universe, and we know for a fact that a few amines and amino acids are naturally produced in outer space and in serpentinizing rocks on seafloors.

Under variously simulated environmental and atmospheric conditions in the laboratory, we have synthesized 31 amino acids, 17 of which are among the 20 of life, 6 amines, 12 peptides, the purines and pyrimidines of life, and the ribonucleotides cytosine and uracil. But here’s the caveat. Other than the few amines and amino acids produced in raw nature, we can’t produce the others outside the carefully controlled conditions of the laboratory.

The usual gods of the gap pleading.

Right, there must have been first cells: therefore evolution!

Science = Settled!

Well, if you find it too confusing, just screech out “the gawds did it”.

It's not "too confusing" it's just physically soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unlikely as to be impossible

Cells are not Lego Blocks Dear, they are EXTREMELY Complex and must function PERFECTLY; that doesn't happen by random collisions

Yes, the usual gods of the gaps pleading.

“It’s too complicated, therefore, “the gawds did it”.

I can't explain it, therefore evolution!

Sounds a lot like the missing science behind Climate Change. Yeah we can't ever demonstrate any of it and the math assures that our Theory fail, but we have Consensus!

Did you know that single Cells are complex?

Well, actually, the biological sciences have gone a long say toward confirming the mechanisms of evolution. Most of us began learning about the biological sciences as early as 7th grade.

How strange that the biological sciences have given us medicines that cure disease even when prayer and rattling boned aren’t as effective.

Can you identify where the theory of evolution fails? And, more importantly, can you post the ID’iot creationer “General Theory of The Gawds Did It”?

It would be swell if we could finally abandon knowledge and learning and just trust your Allah god to make everything peachy keen.

The G-d of the Glops of Soup made the first cells! It is known!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Cells are not Lego Blocks Dear, they are EXTREMELY Complex and must function PERFECTLY; that doesn't happen by random collisions

After the first cell triggered for whatever reason, nothing was "perfect." If it had enough faults it didn't live.
If it had some beneficial faults/mutation, they did better than the original and flourished.. and so on..
What better means changes as the environment changes.

No matter.
It's idiotic to look at current TRIAL-and-ERROR life (and many many more times the extinctions) as "perfect."
It's what's left after many times as many failed organisms.
Yeah, what's Left looks "perfect" or it would not have survived.
It was not engineered/ID, it's survivors and mutations.
And we/All life is still evolving.

`

So explain to me how the proteins that handle say, digestion, were just hanging out in the "primordial soup" Your G-d of the Glops, just hung out waiting to place themselves perfectly in the first cell and knew enough not to digest the cell it - magically - just created

Don't bother.

"It's too complex, but we know it happened - cuz evolution made the first cell, therefore, evolution made the first cell! Science = settled!"

It’s pretty typical for “the gods did it’ists” to equate evolution with abiogenesis.

It’s like they never studied much of the STEM field subjects at the Benny Hinn madrassah.

You haven't given one single coherent explanation of how something as complex as a single cell could form from a Glop of Primordial Soup.

Abiogenesis, you mean how it was 100% wrong, yet KNOWN that "Fossil fuels" came from, um fossils?

 

[Hollie]

I'm still fascinated by the Evolutionary explanation of how the first cells appeared: well, they just did! We know they existed, therefore evolution!

Darwin didn't shed any light on the creation of organic cells and still today, there two very different, and equally plausible explanations for the source of organic cells on Earth. But the science is never settled, as no science ever is.

We know by experimentation that carbon-based organic molecules will spontaneously combine from existing free elements under conditions found in nature.

Hydrocarbon chains are ubiquitous in nature, but cellular membranes are comprised of complex and precisely arranged molecular compounds, namely, phospholipids and proteins. In the first place, the molecular precursors of phospholipids and proteins, in and of themselves, do not spontaneously combine in raw nature, i.e., outside living cells.

We also know that organic molecules that exist in space and which exist in our solar system have been found on meteorites found on Earth.

Either explanation could explain the existence of organic molecules -- or --- both could be true.

The existence of the underlying chemical substance of organic molecules isn’t really what needs to be explained. We know that life is comprised of the stuff of the universe, and we know for a fact that a few amines and amino acids are naturally produced in outer space and in serpentinizing rocks on seafloors.

Under variously simulated environmental and atmospheric conditions in the laboratory, we have synthesized 31 amino acids, 17 of which are among the 20 of life, 6 amines, 12 peptides, the purines and pyrimidines of life, and the ribonucleotides cytosine and uracil. But here’s the caveat. Other than the few amines and amino acids produced in raw nature, we can’t produce the others outside the carefully controlled conditions of the laboratory.

The usual gods of the gap pleading.

Right, there must have been first cells: therefore evolution!

Science = Settled!

Well, if you find it too confusing, just screech out “the gawds did it”.

It's not "too confusing" it's just physically soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unlikely as to be impossible

Cells are not Lego Blocks Dear, they are EXTREMELY Complex and must function PERFECTLY; that doesn't happen by random collisions

Yes, the usual gods of the gaps pleading.

“It’s too complicated, therefore, “the gawds did it”.

I can't explain it, therefore evolution!

Sounds a lot like the missing science behind Climate Change. Yeah we can't ever demonstrate any of it and the math assures that our Theory fail, but we have Consensus!

Did you know that single Cells are complex?

Well, actually, the biological sciences have gone a long say toward confirming the mechanisms of evolution. Most of us began learning about the biological sciences as early as 7th grade.

How strange that the biological sciences have given us medicines that cure disease even when prayer and rattling boned aren’t as effective.

Can you identify where the theory of evolution fails? And, more importantly, can you post the ID’iot creationer “General Theory of The Gawds Did It”?

It would be swell if we could finally abandon knowledge and learning and just trust your Allah god to make everything peachy keen.

The G-d of the Glops of Soup made the first cells! It is known!

If that’s what Benny Hinn told you, it must be true.

 

[Ringtone]

Actually, it isn't at all. Nothing in Evolution precludes the existence of a supernatural being. It merely describes how life, once introduced, changes over time to create different forms of life. It merely describes how life, once introduced, changes over time to create different forms of life.

Frist, I know what evolution purports to explain. I'm steeped in the pertinent sciences, and I understand the theory's supposed mechanisms, it's supposed processes and it's supposed, evidentiary support. I understand these things even better than virtually every evolutionist I've encountered on this board.

Second, I didn't say that evolution is necessarily predicated on philosophical/ontological naturalism. The latter emphatically precludes God's existence.

I said it's predicated on naturalism, i.e., the assumption that all of biological history is necessarily an unbroken chain of natural cause-and-effect—entailing a "transmutationally" branching process of speciation up from a common ancestry over geological time, wherein the evolutionist observes that adaptive radiation occurs and that the paleontological record demonstrates that species have appeared on Earth in a chronology of generally increasing complexity and variety, as other species have gone extinct.

We do not and cannot actually observe the speciation of a common ancestry. All the pertinent evidence really shows is that species of generally increasing complexity and variety have appeared and that some have gone extinct over geological time. This in no way falsifies the potentiality that biological history is actually a series of creative events—entailing a speciation of a genetically limited range of adaptive radiation per the mechanisms of natural selection, genetic mutation, gene flow, genetic drift—ultimately predicated on a shared, and systematically altered and transcribed genetic motif of common design over geological time.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm still fascinated by the Evolutionary explanation of how the first cells appeared: well, they just did! We know they existed, therefore evolution!

Darwin didn't shed any light on the creation of organic cells and still today, there two very different, and equally plausible explanations for the source of organic cells on Earth. But the science is never settled, as no science ever is.

We know by experimentation that carbon-based organic molecules will spontaneously combine from existing free elements under conditions found in nature.

Hydrocarbon chains are ubiquitous in nature, but cellular membranes are comprised of complex and precisely arranged molecular compounds, namely, phospholipids and proteins. In the first place, the molecular precursors of phospholipids and proteins, in and of themselves, do not spontaneously combine in raw nature, i.e., outside living cells.

We also know that organic molecules that exist in space and which exist in our solar system have been found on meteorites found on Earth.

Either explanation could explain the existence of organic molecules -- or --- both could be true.

The existence of the underlying chemical substance of organic molecules isn’t really what needs to be explained. We know that life is comprised of the stuff of the universe, and we know for a fact that a few amines and amino acids are naturally produced in outer space and in serpentinizing rocks on seafloors.

Under variously simulated environmental and atmospheric conditions in the laboratory, we have synthesized 31 amino acids, 17 of which are among the 20 of life, 6 amines, 12 peptides, the purines and pyrimidines of life, and the ribonucleotides cytosine and uracil. But here’s the caveat. Other than the few amines and amino acids produced in raw nature, we can’t produce the others outside the carefully controlled conditions of the laboratory.

The usual gods of the gap pleading.

Right, there must have been first cells: therefore evolution!

Science = Settled!

Well, if you find it too confusing, just screech out “the gawds did it”.

It's not "too confusing" it's just physically soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unlikely as to be impossible

Cells are not Lego Blocks Dear, they are EXTREMELY Complex and must function PERFECTLY; that doesn't happen by random collisions

Yes, the usual gods of the gaps pleading.

“It’s too complicated, therefore, “the gawds did it”.

I can't explain it, therefore evolution!

Sounds a lot like the missing science behind Climate Change. Yeah we can't ever demonstrate any of it and the math assures that our Theory fail, but we have Consensus!

Did you know that single Cells are complex?

Well, actually, the biological sciences have gone a long say toward confirming the mechanisms of evolution. Most of us began learning about the biological sciences as early as 7th grade.

How strange that the biological sciences have given us medicines that cure disease even when prayer and rattling bones aren’t as effective.

Can you identify where the theory of evolution fails? And, more importantly, can you post the ID’iot creationer “General Theory of The Gawds Did It”?

It would be swell if we could finally abandon knowledge and learning and just trust your Allah god to make everything peachy keen.

Yes Evolution was a concept stuck in my head at a young age and now that I've been researching things on my own, I see how totally WRONG it is.

 

[Hollie]

Cells are not Lego Blocks Dear, they are EXTREMELY Complex and must function PERFECTLY; that doesn't happen by random collisions

After the first cell triggered for whatever reason, nothing was "perfect." If it had enough faults it didn't live.
If it had some beneficial faults/mutation, they did better than the original and flourished.. and so on..
What better means changes as the environment changes.

No matter.
It's idiotic to look at current TRIAL-and-ERROR life (and many many more times the extinctions) as "perfect."
It's what's left after many times as many failed organisms.
Yeah, what's Left looks "perfect" or it would not have survived.
It was not engineered/ID, it's survivors and mutations.
And we/All life is still evolving.

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So explain to me how the proteins that handle say, digestion, were just hanging out in the "primordial soup" Your G-d of the Glops, just hung out waiting to place themselves perfectly in the first cell and knew enough not to digest the cell it - magically - just created

Don't bother.

"It's too complex, but we know it happened - cuz evolution made the first cell, therefore, evolution made the first cell! Science = settled!"

It’s pretty typical for “the gods did it’ists” to equate evolution with abiogenesis.

It’s like they never studied much of the STEM field subjects at the Benny Hinn madrassah.

You haven't given one single coherent explanation of how something as complex as a single cell could form from a Glop of Primordial Soup.

Abiogenesis, you mean how it was 100% wrong, yet KNOWN that "Fossil fuels" came from, um fossils?

The answer to your statement is “Allah did it”.

 

[Hollie]

I'm still fascinated by the Evolutionary explanation of how the first cells appeared: well, they just did! We know they existed, therefore evolution!

Darwin didn't shed any light on the creation of organic cells and still today, there two very different, and equally plausible explanations for the source of organic cells on Earth. But the science is never settled, as no science ever is.

We know by experimentation that carbon-based organic molecules will spontaneously combine from existing free elements under conditions found in nature.

Hydrocarbon chains are ubiquitous in nature, but cellular membranes are comprised of complex and precisely arranged molecular compounds, namely, phospholipids and proteins. In the first place, the molecular precursors of phospholipids and proteins, in and of themselves, do not spontaneously combine in raw nature, i.e., outside living cells.

We also know that organic molecules that exist in space and which exist in our solar system have been found on meteorites found on Earth.

Either explanation could explain the existence of organic molecules -- or --- both could be true.

The existence of the underlying chemical substance of organic molecules isn’t really what needs to be explained. We know that life is comprised of the stuff of the universe, and we know for a fact that a few amines and amino acids are naturally produced in outer space and in serpentinizing rocks on seafloors.

Under variously simulated environmental and atmospheric conditions in the laboratory, we have synthesized 31 amino acids, 17 of which are among the 20 of life, 6 amines, 12 peptides, the purines and pyrimidines of life, and the ribonucleotides cytosine and uracil. But here’s the caveat. Other than the few amines and amino acids produced in raw nature, we can’t produce the others outside the carefully controlled conditions of the laboratory.

The usual gods of the gap pleading.

Right, there must have been first cells: therefore evolution!

Science = Settled!

Well, if you find it too confusing, just screech out “the gawds did it”.

It's not "too confusing" it's just physically soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unlikely as to be impossible

Cells are not Lego Blocks Dear, they are EXTREMELY Complex and must function PERFECTLY; that doesn't happen by random collisions

Yes, the usual gods of the gaps pleading.

“It’s too complicated, therefore, “the gawds did it”.

I can't explain it, therefore evolution!

Sounds a lot like the missing science behind Climate Change. Yeah we can't ever demonstrate any of it and the math assures that our Theory fail, but we have Consensus!

Did you know that single Cells are complex?

Well, actually, the biological sciences have gone a long say toward confirming the mechanisms of evolution. Most of us began learning about the biological sciences as early as 7th grade.

How strange that the biological sciences have given us medicines that cure disease even when prayer and rattling bones aren’t as effective.

Can you identify where the theory of evolution fails? And, more importantly, can you post the ID’iot creationer “General Theory of The Gawds Did It”?

It would be swell if we could finally abandon knowledge and learning and just trust your Allah god to make everything peachy keen.

Yes Evolution was a concept stuck in my head at a young age and now that I've been researching things on my own, I see how totally WRONG it is.

Science is one vast, global conspiracy.