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Which is why I think if a person is applying for any kind of welfare, they shouldn't receive one dime until they are fixed. You can't solve poverty when the government offers incentives for poor people to create more poor people. I think it should apply to both genders as well. If a father of a child isn't supporting or help supporting it, he too should have to be fixed before he gets any kind of welfare.
Being poor isn't an incurable disease... what you just said is one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard.
"You want food? You gotta give up the chance to have kids the rest of your life..."
So the non-idiotic thing is for poor people to have more children for a larger SNAP's card, a bigger HUD home in the suburbs, and of course, paid utilities?
And let me ask: what do you think working parents do when they can't financially support any more children?
My suggestion is nothing more than society asks of working people. If you can't afford to have children, don't have them. But for some reason, you think poor people should be exempt from that restriction. And BTW, most birth control methods can be reversed. When you are off the dole and want to have children, in most cases, that's possible.
Obama may have changed this, but last time I checked, if you get pregnant while already on food stamps, your benefits are not increased for the extra kid (although he/she will qualify for whatever nutrition aid the state has for newborns).
And I haven't noticed "society asking working people" to have invasive surgery.
If you have children, you are expected to be able to support them. I have no idea where this notion came that if you want to keep having kids and billing your neighbor, that's just fine.
While this part is true, you lost me AFTER this point when you veered into correcting invasive Big Government micromanagement with EVEN MORE invasive Big Government micromanagement.
Again, not even a good dodge.
Why do you want a war on the poor? Now, a war on lazy moochers I can understand.Your cash is going to pay for our wars on crime, drugs, and terror, not our war on poverty, so you can "look tough".
then why complain about something you are willing to do? only whiners do that.nobody is forcing you to make what you do, and pay the taxes you do.I shouldn't have to wave the word "voluntarily" in the face of someone who's allegedly conservative. There's a big difference between me voluntarily and privately deciding to have a tubal ligation (which I did) because I didn't want more kids after I had the last at 40, and the government ordering someone to have one. Obviously. Duh.
It's not an order. If you don't want to have it done, don't go on any public assistance.
That's not even a good dodge, Chairman Mao.
It's not a dodge. Nobody is required to go on welfare. It's an option like anything else. Nobody forces you on welfare, nobody forces you to have children you can't support. All options.
the rich and the poor, don't.
Sure somebody forces me to pay taxes. You think that if it was an option, I would prefer to pay taxes?
it is your poor lifestyle choice that are not rich or poor, so you don't have to pay personal income taxes.why care what the poor do or don't do for their money; you don't want the poor to care about how much the rich make or work for their money.If you're referring to the housing crisis, I do believe that yes, people went to jail. But even if they didn't, it has nothing do to with social programs.
If we need SNAP's to feed poor children, fine with me, but we should also make sure they don't keep having children to get more benefits.
I agree with your sentiment, but how can we prevent people from having children?
As I stated earlier, if you apply for assistance, you don't get one dime until you are fixed first.
Well because it's really not "their money" it's our money because our government takes it from us to give to them.
socialism requires social morals for free. we allege to subscribe to capitalism, not socialism.we have public traffic laws, not personal responsibility or Ten simple Commandments. That is just plain, right wing fantasy.I agree but the real problem is the fools have kids!!! Poor people shouldn't have kids.
Which is why I think if a person is applying for any kind of welfare, they shouldn't receive one dime until they are fixed. You can't solve poverty when the government offers incentives for poor people to create more poor people. I think it should apply to both genders as well. If a father of a child isn't supporting or help supporting it, he too should have to be fixed before he gets any kind of welfare.
At what point did you become a big-intrusive-government Fascist instead of a conservative, and where was I? Hey, while we're copying China's mindset, why don't we also just institute a one-child-only law for undesirables, and kill off any excess kids they sneakily squirt out without your permission?
Jesus Christ. Government-mandated surgery. This is what "conservatives" have degenerated into.
What we "degenerated" to is having personal responsibility. Sorry you're against that.
I have absolutely no idea what point (if there is one) you were trying to make.
then why complain about something you are willing to do? only whiners do that.nobody is forcing you to make what you do, and pay the taxes you do.It's not an order. If you don't want to have it done, don't go on any public assistance.
That's not even a good dodge, Chairman Mao.
It's not a dodge. Nobody is required to go on welfare. It's an option like anything else. Nobody forces you on welfare, nobody forces you to have children you can't support. All options.
the rich and the poor, don't.
Sure somebody forces me to pay taxes. You think that if it was an option, I would prefer to pay taxes?
why do you care, your taxes are going to those, "look tough" wars.Why do you want a war on the poor? Now, a war on lazy moochers I can understand.Your cash is going to pay for our wars on crime, drugs, and terror, not our war on poverty, so you can "look tough".
it is your choice to make that much and pay that much in taxes; sorry to burst your personal responsibility bubble.it is your poor lifestyle choice that are not rich or poor, so you don't have to pay personal income taxes.why care what the poor do or don't do for their money; you don't want the poor to care about how much the rich make or work for their money.I agree with your sentiment, but how can we prevent people from having children?
As I stated earlier, if you apply for assistance, you don't get one dime until you are fixed first.
Well because it's really not "their money" it's our money because our government takes it from us to give to them.
Yes, I do pay income taxes. Sorry to burst that bubble.
Your cash is going to pay for our wars on crime, drugs, and terror, not our war on poverty, so you can "look tough".So now you want mexican bulb onions and cumin powder included in the list of things snappers can buy??? That's why i said rice, flour, rolled oats, and sugar; Keep it simple.
No, my point is you can make a meal cheap and they do not deserve steak and lobster. People believe that the taxpayer is their personal bank account and I say forget that!
These lazy people need to get a damn job and learn to cook and stop expecting the working society to pay for their lazy ass.
I am more agree with shooting the lazy drug addicted pieces of shit than supporting their worthless asses anymore!
Also that goes for every race!
The only segment of society I will pay for willingly is the Native American Population and I know you will disagree that but as for any other segment of society fuck'em!
I also think that one of the requirements should be you are not allowed to own pets. It makes no sense that taxpayers are feeding people and those people are feeding their animals. The government should be allowed to send agents to various homes to see if these people have huge dogs or ten cats.
Yes, that's what we need, is to spend even more taxpayer money on home invasions to make sure people are living the way we want them to.
Or we could behave like REAL conservatives, mind our own damned business about what priorities people do or don't have for their cash, and address the REAL problem of our bloated welfare state.
Their cash? What about MY cash?
REAL conservatives are those that want to help the people who truly need help by weeding out those that can take care of themselves and are just using our tax dollars so that they can free up more of their own cash to use on non-necessities.
no, they don't; you merely don't take advantage of all of your legal tax exemptions; like Mr. Trump.then why complain about something you are willing to do? only whiners do that.nobody is forcing you to make what you do, and pay the taxes you do.That's not even a good dodge, Chairman Mao.
It's not a dodge. Nobody is required to go on welfare. It's an option like anything else. Nobody forces you on welfare, nobody forces you to have children you can't support. All options.
the rich and the poor, don't.
Sure somebody forces me to pay taxes. You think that if it was an option, I would prefer to pay taxes?
That's the point, I'm not willing to do it. They take money from me by force.
then don't whine about your taxes for social services, it is only going to those, "look tough" wars.Your cash is going to pay for our wars on crime, drugs, and terror, not our war on poverty, so you can "look tough".No, my point is you can make a meal cheap and they do not deserve steak and lobster. People believe that the taxpayer is their personal bank account and I say forget that!
These lazy people need to get a damn job and learn to cook and stop expecting the working society to pay for their lazy ass.
I am more agree with shooting the lazy drug addicted pieces of shit than supporting their worthless asses anymore!
Also that goes for every race!
The only segment of society I will pay for willingly is the Native American Population and I know you will disagree that but as for any other segment of society fuck'em!
I also think that one of the requirements should be you are not allowed to own pets. It makes no sense that taxpayers are feeding people and those people are feeding their animals. The government should be allowed to send agents to various homes to see if these people have huge dogs or ten cats.
Yes, that's what we need, is to spend even more taxpayer money on home invasions to make sure people are living the way we want them to.
Or we could behave like REAL conservatives, mind our own damned business about what priorities people do or don't have for their cash, and address the REAL problem of our bloated welfare state.
Their cash? What about MY cash?
REAL conservatives are those that want to help the people who truly need help by weeding out those that can take care of themselves and are just using our tax dollars so that they can free up more of their own cash to use on non-necessities.
Yes it does because the money I spend to fight drugs, terror and crime protects me and our country. We all benefit from that. Nobody benefits by supporting children that are not their own. The only one that benefits are the mothers and in some rare cases, the father as well.
it is your choice to make that much and pay that much in taxes; sorry to burst your personal responsibility bubble.it is your poor lifestyle choice that are not rich or poor, so you don't have to pay personal income taxes.why care what the poor do or don't do for their money; you don't want the poor to care about how much the rich make or work for their money.As I stated earlier, if you apply for assistance, you don't get one dime until you are fixed first.
Well because it's really not "their money" it's our money because our government takes it from us to give to them.
Yes, I do pay income taxes. Sorry to burst that bubble.
Don't gimme any crap about how poor people need a balanced diet. As it is these snappers spend all this money on junk food. A diet of staples will be better for them. And MUCH cheaper for the taxpayers. Eating just those 4 staples, a person can live on a dollar a day.
Wouldn't it just be easier to get a job Daniel? I've got one and it isn't so bad.no, they don't; you merely don't take advantage of all of your legal tax exemptions; like Mr. Trump.then why complain about something you are willing to do? only whiners do that.nobody is forcing you to make what you do, and pay the taxes you do.It's not a dodge. Nobody is required to go on welfare. It's an option like anything else. Nobody forces you on welfare, nobody forces you to have children you can't support. All options.
the rich and the poor, don't.
Sure somebody forces me to pay taxes. You think that if it was an option, I would prefer to pay taxes?
That's the point, I'm not willing to do it. They take money from me by force.
then don't whine about your taxes for social services, it is only going to those, "look tough" wars.Your cash is going to pay for our wars on crime, drugs, and terror, not our war on poverty, so you can "look tough".I also think that one of the requirements should be you are not allowed to own pets. It makes no sense that taxpayers are feeding people and those people are feeding their animals. The government should be allowed to send agents to various homes to see if these people have huge dogs or ten cats.
Yes, that's what we need, is to spend even more taxpayer money on home invasions to make sure people are living the way we want them to.
Or we could behave like REAL conservatives, mind our own damned business about what priorities people do or don't have for their cash, and address the REAL problem of our bloated welfare state.
Their cash? What about MY cash?
REAL conservatives are those that want to help the people who truly need help by weeding out those that can take care of themselves and are just using our tax dollars so that they can free up more of their own cash to use on non-necessities.
Yes it does because the money I spend to fight drugs, terror and crime protects me and our country. We all benefit from that. Nobody benefits by supporting children that are not their own. The only one that benefits are the mothers and in some rare cases, the father as well.
Don't gimme any crap about how poor people need a balanced diet. As it is these snappers spend all this money on junk food. A diet of staples will be better for them. And MUCH cheaper for the taxpayers. Eating just those 4 staples, a person can live on a dollar a day.
They should still be allowed to buy vegetables and protiens. all those carbs are not good alone. But maybe something more innovative besides taxpayer funded food stamps needs to be considered. Maybe the government can work with private industries to make some sort of relief donations to offset some of the cost.
Don't gimme any crap about how poor people need a balanced diet. As it is these snappers spend all this money on junk food. A diet of staples will be better for them. And MUCH cheaper for the taxpayers. Eating just those 4 staples, a person can live on a dollar a day.
They should still be allowed to buy vegetables and protiens. all those carbs are not good alone. But maybe something more innovative besides taxpayer funded food stamps needs to be considered. Maybe the government can work with private industries to make some sort of relief donations to offset some of the cost.
I think I can summarize the problem here: I've seen those food stamp people buying all kinds of prepared foods. Spaghetti in a can, ready made cakes, Stoffers TV dinners, Precooked shrimp and so on. I mean, if you want a cake for the kids, fine. Get a box of cake powder, some eggs (which you will use anyway) some oil and some frosting and make the Fn cake yourself. Spaghetti isn't that hard to make. Boil some water, throw the noodles in there, and add sauce when it's done. When we had drinks as a kid, we never had prepared drinks. Mom got some Kool-Aid packages, mixed it with water and sugar, and put it in a pitcher. It lasted us three days.
Nope. It should be like WIC where you are only allowed certain items like veggies, meat, dairy.They get a set amount of money/food stamps each month. How they choose to spend it is up to them. It might be a good idea to limit purchases made with food stamps, such as not being able to purchase junk food with them, but then poor people have birthdays, Christmas, and other events to celebrate too. They should be able to purchase a bag of chips and some dip, cake, snacks, etc. for a party or something.
Don't gimme any crap about how poor people need a balanced diet. As it is these snappers spend all this money on junk food. A diet of staples will be better for them. And MUCH cheaper for the taxpayers. Eating just those 4 staples, a person can live on a dollar a day.
They should still be allowed to buy vegetables and protiens. all those carbs are not good alone. But maybe something more innovative besides taxpayer funded food stamps needs to be considered. Maybe the government can work with private industries to make some sort of relief donations to offset some of the cost.
I think I can summarize the problem here: I've seen those food stamp people buying all kinds of prepared foods. Spaghetti in a can, ready made cakes, Stoffers TV dinners, Precooked shrimp and so on. I mean, if you want a cake for the kids, fine. Get a box of cake powder, some eggs (which you will use anyway) some oil and some frosting and make the Fn cake yourself. Spaghetti isn't that hard to make. Boil some water, throw the noodles in there, and add sauce when it's done. When we had drinks as a kid, we never had prepared drinks. Mom got some Kool-Aid packages, mixed it with water and sugar, and put it in a pitcher. It lasted us three days.
Don't gimme any crap about how poor people need a balanced diet. As it is these snappers spend all this money on junk food. A diet of staples will be better for them. And MUCH cheaper for the taxpayers. Eating just those 4 staples, a person can live on a dollar a day.
They should still be allowed to buy vegetables and protiens. all those carbs are not good alone. But maybe something more innovative besides taxpayer funded food stamps needs to be considered. Maybe the government can work with private industries to make some sort of relief donations to offset some of the cost.
I think I can summarize the problem here: I've seen those food stamp people buying all kinds of prepared foods. Spaghetti in a can, ready made cakes, Stoffers TV dinners, Precooked shrimp and so on. I mean, if you want a cake for the kids, fine. Get a box of cake powder, some eggs (which you will use anyway) some oil and some frosting and make the Fn cake yourself. Spaghetti isn't that hard to make. Boil some water, throw the noodles in there, and add sauce when it's done. When we had drinks as a kid, we never had prepared drinks. Mom got some Kool-Aid packages, mixed it with water and sugar, and put it in a pitcher. It lasted us three days.
All that processed food is low in nutrition and causes health problems as well, which becomes another unnecessary expense
