So you want better paying jobs?

[danielpalos]

Dear, it was bad management. Only shills can't tell the difference.

Are you sure?

Bloody oppression seems to be present the vast majority of communist regimes.

Could be a integral part of the system.

Bad management accounts for all of it.

Logical fallacy of argument from Assertion. Again.

All you seem to have is logical fallacy and various types of nonsense.

Dear, I have advanced an assertion and you are unable to refute it.

Totally did.

with nothing but fallacy that is null and void from Inception?

 

[Correll]

YOu have done nothing to support your specious argument that all government is socialism.

I have sited definitions of the words you misuse to show that your meanings are incorrect.

For you to ignore the fact that I have proved that your words are incorrect, and to keep repeating them is, as I said, the Logical Fallacy of argument by Assertion.

For you to lie to me about my own words and claim that I have "ceded the point" is a lie and the act of a jerk.

Why are you like this?

You have to cite an encyclopedia or simply appeal to ignorance through special pleading.

Nonsense.

Dictionaries are fine sources for the definition of simple words.

YOu have done nothing to support your specious argument that all government is socialism.

I have sited definitions of the words you misuse to show that your meanings are incorrect.

For you to ignore the fact that I have proved that your words are incorrect, and to keep repeating them is, as I said, the Logical Fallacy of argument by Assertion.

For you to lie to me about my own words and claim that I have "ceded the point" is a lie and the act of a jerk.

Why are you like this?

Why are you like this. You are merely appealing to inaccurate authority. You must reference an encyclopedia or simply be full of fallacy.

if you think an encyclopedia link has information about the word socialist that trumps the dictionary meaning of the word, you post it, and cut and paste the specific portion that supposedly makes your case.

Oh, and I see that you ARE capable of speaking clearly and concisely so knock off the other bs.

sure, shill.

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership and/or social control[1] of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy,[2][3] as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.[4][5] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership (achieved by nationalization), citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[6] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[7]--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

And nothing in there supports your claim that all government is socialism.

By that standard, as I said, roads are not socialism, cops are not socialism, the military is not socialism.

 

[danielpalos]

You have to cite an encyclopedia or simply appeal to ignorance through special pleading.

Nonsense.

Dictionaries are fine sources for the definition of simple words.

YOu have done nothing to support your specious argument that all government is socialism.

I have sited definitions of the words you misuse to show that your meanings are incorrect.

For you to ignore the fact that I have proved that your words are incorrect, and to keep repeating them is, as I said, the Logical Fallacy of argument by Assertion.

For you to lie to me about my own words and claim that I have "ceded the point" is a lie and the act of a jerk.

Why are you like this?

Why are you like this. You are merely appealing to inaccurate authority. You must reference an encyclopedia or simply be full of fallacy.

if you think an encyclopedia link has information about the word socialist that trumps the dictionary meaning of the word, you post it, and cut and paste the specific portion that supposedly makes your case.

Oh, and I see that you ARE capable of speaking clearly and concisely so knock off the other bs.

sure, shill.

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership and/or social control[1] of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy,[2][3] as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.[4][5] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership (achieved by nationalization), citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[6] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[7]--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

And nothing in there supports your claim that all government is socialism.

By that standard, as I said, roads are not socialism, cops are not socialism, the military is not socialism.

dear, socialism includes Government; Capitalism does not.

 

[Boss]

dear, socialism includes Government; Capitalism does not.

Actually, if we apply YOUR definition, every capitalist enterprise is socialist.

 

[danielpalos]

dear, socialism includes Government; Capitalism does not.

Actually, if we apply YOUR definition, every capitalist enterprise is socialist.

dear, any form of collective is no longer Individual.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

dear, socialism includes Government; Capitalism does not.

Actually, if we apply YOUR definition, every capitalist enterprise is socialist.

dear, any form of collective is no longer Individual.

agree, and??????????????

 

[danielpalos]

dear, socialism includes Government; Capitalism does not.

Actually, if we apply YOUR definition, every capitalist enterprise is socialist.

dear, any form of collective is no longer Individual.

agree, and??????????????

collectivism requires socialism.

 

[Boss]

dear, socialism includes Government; Capitalism does not.

Actually, if we apply YOUR definition, every capitalist enterprise is socialist.

dear, any form of collective is no longer Individual.

agree, and??????????????

collectivism requires socialism.

Probably why Socialist government doesn't work.

 

[danielpalos]

dear, socialism includes Government; Capitalism does not.

Actually, if we apply YOUR definition, every capitalist enterprise is socialist.

dear, any form of collective is no longer Individual.

agree, and??????????????

collectivism requires socialism.

Probably why Socialist government doesn't work.

dear, our form of collectivism is over two hundred years old. how may Firms can say the same thing.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

dear, socialism includes Government; Capitalism does not.

Actually, if we apply YOUR definition, every capitalist enterprise is socialist.

yes exactly, he has been making that point about a mixed economy for years as if its a significant point despite having been taught for decades in Econ 101.

 

[danielpalos]

dear, socialism includes Government; Capitalism does not.

Actually, if we apply YOUR definition, every capitalist enterprise is socialist.

dear, any form of collective is no longer Individual.

agree, and??????????????

collectivism requires socialism.

Probably why Socialist government doesn't work.

dear, even Religion is socialism and some religions are over two thousand years old.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

dear, even Religion is socialism and some religions are over two thousand years old.

OMG!!! to this perfect idiot liberal religion, capitalism, and the fire dept are socialism!!
Therefore, we should just bring back Hitler Stalin and Mao to run the world and quit pussy footing around!!

 

[rdean]

We keep hearing about this "widening gap between rich and poor" which has been the nucleus of an ongoing argument for higher wages, living wages, increasing the minimum wage, more taxation on "the wealthy" or whatever. They come armed with graphs and charts... the statistics to show you the middle class is in decline... the wealthy continue to amass great fortunes while the poor struggle to survive. Our hearts bleed as we're lectured on how we need more government regulations, more agencies and programs, more forced wage hikes and mandates, more restrictions and regulations heaped on big business in order to force them to pay up!

The problem is, we're hearing this from morons who don't understand how free market capitalism works. Oh, not all of them are illiterate morons, some have read books by European socialist propagandists and think they have everything all figured out. They don't seem to understand socialism doesn't work in practice like it works on paper. Every significant sized Socialist nation has failed and most of them have failed hideously. The ideas of people like Marx and Mao are responsible for ten's of millions of deaths. It is clearly a failed ideology by every standard.

Let's first dispatch a few myths and misconceptions. Wealthy people tend to gain wealth faster than poor people because they have a propensity for wealth acquisition... it's how they became wealthy for the most part. So it is perfectly natural in a free market capitalist system for the wealthiest to gain wealth faster than everyone else. It's like having a marathon race where there are runners who are seasoned veteran marathoners, runners who are couch potatoes, and some who run for the fun of it.... Now, in an actual race, who would you expect to lead and eventually win? The couch potato? Of course not... the seasoned vets are constantly going to gain more ground than the couch potatoes... that's perfectly natural and expected. The solution to the problem is not to hobble the veterans so they don't run as fast... the better idea would be to motivate the couch potatoes... train them up... make them better able to compete... turn them into veteran runners.

So this is where the idea of increasing their wages comes... but it's not as simple as merely passing some legislation that corporations MUST pay people $X per hour... that does not work in free market capitalism. What happens is, everything is on a sliding scale, so people make more but things cost more... so very shortly, we are back to square one. So come on Boss... get to the point... how do we increase the rate of pay for the average American in the average job without disrupting free market capitalism or causing inflation?

In order to increase pay you have to increase the demand for labor. In order to do that, you have to create new jobs. Not just new service sector, minimum wage, government or part-time jobs... but real, good paying, legitimate jobs. The way to do that is to encourage expansion of business... this requires taking several steps... lower taxes on corporations... or eliminate corporate tax altogether. Offer tax incentives for repatriated wealth... we have over $20 trillion in US wealth abroad... not doing us a bit of good. Let's bring it home and put it to work creating new business and new jobs. Finally, our trade deals need to account for the disparity in cost of labor. We can't compete with countries who pay their workers $1 a day and a bowl of rice... unless that's the standard we want to live with ourselves. Our trade policies have to take this into consideration and we have to apply tougher tariffs on import goods so our American companies can again compete domestically.

For example, let's use a computer keyboard... If you go to the store today to buy one, you will likely pay around $20 for a standard keyboard which is probably made in Indonesia. Now... An American company, with American workers and paying American taxes, can't buy the materials and assemble said keyboard for $20, much less sell it for that and make a profit. A similar American-made keyboard would be probably $40 or more. So if you have the choice to buy the same keyboard for $20 or $40... which would you likely purchase? Most people aren't going to care about where it's made, money is the deciding factor. However... IF you applied a tariff on Indonesian keyboards of say, $10 each... then the price of the Indonesian keyboard is $30 and the US company has the opportunity to compete... they cut some corners use some competitive ingenuity and manage to whittle their price down to $35... now you have a choice between a cheaply-made Indonesian keyboard for $30 or one that is built to last by Americans for $35. Some will still pick the cheaper keyboard but some will go with the quality.

Now my example is a little exaggerated, we'd never apply a 50% tariff on something... but the point is making imports more expensive so that American companies can compete again. When we change this dynamic, jobs will begin to generate as a result.. more jobs = more demand for labor = higher wages.

Did I miss the part about education? Do I have to read it all again? Why do Republicans think there is no connection between wages and education? I notice you said nothing about what kind of jobs. You know there are over 5 million jobs available but those with the right skills can't be found. Why is that?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You know there are over 5 million jobs available but those with the right skills can't be found. Why is that?

too stupid and liberal if they really need to fill the jobs they will train the workers themselves rather than wait for inept liberal govt to train workers badly.

IBM grew to be the biggest most profitable company in the world long before govt schools even began to offer computer science classes.

 

[Boss]

Actually, if we apply YOUR definition, every capitalist enterprise is socialist.

dear, any form of collective is no longer Individual.

agree, and??????????????

collectivism requires socialism.

Probably why Socialist government doesn't work.

dear, our form of collectivism is over two hundred years old. how may Firms can say the same thing.

Who are you talking about with "our"? We don't have collectivism in the US, our system is a representative republic. Our economic system is free market capitalism.

Do we have social 'collectivist' programs? Yes. Largely because the primary political party of power in the US for the last 100 years has been Democrats, who love social collectivist programs. The current #2 behind the unindicted felon, Ms. Clinton, is an admitted Democrat-Socialist.

Some would say the last 8 years we've been ruled by an emperor. But the US is not a Socialist country, and if that is what we ARE to be, we are doomed.

Doomed.

 

[Boss]

Did I miss the part about education? Do I have to read it all again? Why do Republicans think there is no connection between wages and education? I notice you said nothing about what kind of jobs. You know there are over 5 million jobs available but those with the right skills can't be found. Why is that?

We can have a conversation about education but that is a whole big can of worms that would easily take up another thread. We currently have such a fucked up mess it's hard to determine what is the best approach at fixing things. Every year, thousands and thousands of young people take out student loans, blow it on 4 years of partying hard and earning a liberal arts degree and can't find that dream job as a fashion designer or movie producer. No one has an answer, just let's all fight to excuse their debts... no responsibility, no accountability. Then there is secondary education... Common Core... ned I sa anymre?

We have high schools staffed by incompetent idiots for the most part. There are some exceptions here and there, but sad to say they are not the rule. Can't get rid of the bad ones because of tenure... teachers union... can't do anything but wait for them to retire or maybe get hit by a bus. Layer upon layer of waste, fraud, abuse, programs that don't work... all because every politician we elect wants to "do something for education" and the stuff just keeps coming. It never gets taken down or reeled back in because... every politician we elect doesn't favor "education cuts" no sir.... We have to "do something" for education! Heah-heah!

BTW... There is a connection between wages and education. Wages are paid by the hour and most degree level employees in their field are making salary or at the very highest level of hourly wages. So the importance of getting a good education, staying in school, getting a degree, should be reinforced and emphasized.

I don't believe there are 5 million jobs that no one qualified can be found for. That sounds like liberal propaganda. Oh, I am sure some liberal mass communications student did some kind of research on it... I call bullshit. I've been involved with this kind of thing before and what a company does; they go to a college or university and recruit the brightest grads. In some cases, they may go to tech and trade schools to recruit. There is an abundance of resources to find qualified people for anything there is a job for.

 

[danielpalos]

dear, even Religion is socialism and some religions are over two thousand years old.

OMG!!! to this perfect idiot liberal religion, capitalism, and the fire dept are socialism!!
Therefore, we should just bring back Hitler Stalin and Mao to run the world and quit pussy footing around!!

yes, dear; only the right is that clueless and that Causeless, and proves it everyday by having no Thing but repeal instead of a good argument, or better solutions at lower cost.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

dear, even Religion is socialism and some religions are over two thousand years old.

OMG!!! to this perfect idiot liberal religion, capitalism, and the fire dept are socialism!!
Therefore, we should just bring back Hitler Stalin and Mao to run the world and quit pussy footing around!!

yes, dear; only the right is that clueless and that Causeless, and proves it everyday by having no Thing but repeal instead of a good argument, or better solutions at lower cost.

OMG!!! to this perfect idiot liberal, religion, capitalism, and the fire dept are socialism!!
Therefore, we should just bring back Hitler Stalin and Mao to run the world and quit pussy footing around!!

 

[danielpalos]

dear, even Religion is socialism and some religions are over two thousand years old.

OMG!!! to this perfect idiot liberal religion, capitalism, and the fire dept are socialism!!
Therefore, we should just bring back Hitler Stalin and Mao to run the world and quit pussy footing around!!

yes, dear; only the right is that clueless and that Causeless, and proves it everyday by having no Thing but repeal instead of a good argument, or better solutions at lower cost.

OMG!!! to this perfect idiot liberal, religion, capitalism, and the fire dept are socialism!!
Therefore, we should just bring back Hitler Stalin and Mao to run the world and quit pussy footing around!!

yes dear; social morals for free are what religion and socialism are all about; not "purchasing stairways to Heaven".

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

dear, even Religion is socialism and some religions are over two thousand years old.

OMG!!! to this perfect idiot liberal religion, capitalism, and the fire dept are socialism!!
Therefore, we should just bring back Hitler Stalin and Mao to run the world and quit pussy footing around!!

yes, dear; only the right is that clueless and that Causeless, and proves it everyday by having no Thing but repeal instead of a good argument, or better solutions at lower cost.

OMG!!! to this perfect idiot liberal, religion, capitalism, and the fire dept are socialism!!
Therefore, we should just bring back Hitler Stalin and Mao to run the world and quit pussy footing around!!

yes dear; social morals for free are what religion and socialism are all about; not "purchasing stairways to Heaven".

yes dear; privates morals for free are what religion and socialism are all about; not "purchasing stairways to Heaven