Socialism sucks! (Virus hits). Socialism save us!!

[candycorn]

B. Politicians don’t ship jobs overseas.

Yes liberal policies shipped jobs to China: highest corporate taxes in world, regulations, budget deficits, unions, idiotic trade deals.

Trump cut corporate taxes, regulation, increased deficits drastically, hurt the economy with idiotic trade war.... And he couldn't hit 3% growth...

Cutting corporate taxes and deregulation are 2 of the reasons we have had a great economy, with record stock market highs.

What you call growth", is books cooked by Obama holdovers in the BEA. Actual growth is about 5-6%

The market climbed 149% under Obama. The blob’s market performance has been much less robust.

Looks like more unduping for you. I've been refusing these claims for years too. Obama's only year of economic record was his last (2016), and it was a pitiful failure. Even Obama holdovers in the Obama-rigged BEA admit that.

Before 2016, there was just ordinary post-recession recoil that occurs no matter who is president.

Trump's economy has been continually booming, even top Democrats admit (only exceptions being the shutdown and Coronavirus, both not Trump's fault)

Refusing is right. Refuting? Not at all.

 

[candycorn]

B. Politicians don’t ship jobs overseas.

Yes liberal policies shipped jobs to China: highest corporate taxes in world, regulations, budget deficits, unions, idiotic trade deals.

please tell us how those liberal policies survived during so many republican administrations.

Well, see, there's this group of people we call "Congress". And, see, they make laws and control spending. And often, a large number of them are leftist Democrats.

It's almost like we don't live in a monarchy, or something.

Republicans never controlled Congress smoky?

 

[candycorn]

. They have stacked the deck completely in favor of corporations and the wealthy.

bringing jobs back is for wealthy or workers who need jobs?? Closing borders to 30 million illegals who take worker's jobs is for wealthy?? See why they say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

No but we see why you’re ignorance is so pronounced.

It never ceases to amuse me when your illiterate ass presumes to call someone else "ignorant" while demonstrating YOUR (because "you're" means "you are") ignorance.

You’re showing your ignorance over and over. Sorry.

 

[flacaltenn]

bringing jobs back is for wealthy or workers who need jobs?? Closing borders to 30 million illegals who take worker's jobs is for wealthy?? See why they say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

No but we see why you’re ignorance is so pronounced.

He seems to be some sort of troll who just stupidly repeats the same BS....

Well, he has ideology and political party mixed up. He first blames the democrats so when shown statistics of Republicans governing/leading for the majority of the last 50 years...he can’t counter it. He comes back with some pablum about liberalism. Which is not the case to start with. But I engage and ask how liberals got their agenda through Republican White House’s—forcing him to concede that he thinks republican Presidents we’re liberals—he punted and didn’t respond.

CEOs of organizations made the decisions to offshore jobs; the blob did it even though the cons here seldom ever admit it and when they do, they make hilarious excuses for it that always make me chuckle.

But here’s the thing. CEOs, as a group, are likely the least pro-tax, pro-regulation, pro-worker rights group on the planet. These are the men sending jobs to where it maximizes profit. Very few of them are liberals. The ignorance of Conservatives in this area and pronounced ignorance of blob supporters in every area is just amusing.

Show one example of Trump offshoring jobs (outsourcing)

The blame for dismantling our supply chains and manufacturing goes back 30 years now... When even the military and your drug store is 80 or 90% dependent on China, it's the folks like BIDEN who don't see this as this as problem --- that are bigger threats....

 

[Cecilie1200]

Still. Not. Socialism.

 

[flacaltenn]

I'm not against global markets.. I'm against the barriers we STILL HAVE HERE to bring some of the manufacturing back home.. Era of "cheap labor" is pretty much over.. Even China knows that.. We SHOULD have been using this time to LEAD in robotic manufacturing.. We did not... And there is the leadership issue.. It's mostly water over the dam now...

 

[protectionist]

He seems to be some sort of troll who just stupidly repeats the same BS....

Well, he has ideology and political party mixed up. He first blames the democrats so when shown statistics of Republicans governing/leading for the majority of the last 50 years...he can’t counter it. He comes back with some pablum about liberalism. Which is not the case to start with. But I engage and ask how liberals got their agenda through Republican White House’s—forcing him to concede that he thinks republican Presidents we’re liberals—he punted and didn’t respond.

CEOs of organizations made the decisions to offshore jobs; the blob did it even though the cons here seldom ever admit it and when they do, they make hilarious excuses for it that always make me chuckle.

But here’s the thing. CEOs, as a group, are likely the least pro-tax, pro-regulation, pro-worker rights group on the planet. These are the men sending jobs to where it maximizes profit. Very few of them are liberals. The ignorance of Conservatives in this area and pronounced ignorance of blob supporters in every area is just amusing.

Show one example of Trump offshoring jobs (outsourcing)

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I refuted posts like that 4 years ago, when Hillary Clinton was doing the same lying (or ignorance) with her anti-Trump outsourcing TV ads.

They are BRAND LICENSING, not outsourcing. Took you 4 years to get unduped on that ? Wow.

Lol.

And the explanation was just as lame then as it is today.

Your blob’s name is on stuff made in China. Are you saying he wasn’t aware and that he is suffering from impaired mental faculties? I agree with your assessment.

Apparently you don't have the foggiest idea what the words brand licensing mean.
Advice: don't enter threads when you don't know what you're talking about.

Donald Trump's Real Secret To Riches: Create A Brand And License It

 

[Nostra]

well lets seee,,,
first off this is a lie and trump never said it,,

and a BIG factor you are leaving out is that the money he wants to hand out was all made in the free market capitalist system,,,,

so a thank you should be in order,,,

and you have also failed to show any socialist system that would have been even close ,,,,

Are you upset that Trump is giving out that capitalist money in socialist programs? Evidently Trump believes socialism is the answer to our problem. Those are the only steps he has taken.

its clear youre to ignorant to know thats not socialism,,,so theres nothing I can do to help but only to mock your ignorance,,,

Got it. You have no example of a capitalist solution to Corona virus.

BTW: What do you mean by solution.

Capitalism and socialism have no solution for cancer either.

What are you talking about.

I'm asking for a capitalist solution to deal with our virus problem.

No, you are trolling because you are a blithering idiot hack troll.

 

[progressive hunter]

Socialism doesnt require you to think.

Not thinking landed America where it is at this moment. Your free marketeer capitalists outsourced your jobs, economic security and production / manufacturing capacity / capability to communist workers so they could increase capital's profit margins via not paying capitalist workers capitalist wages, who foolishly contributed by mass consumption of communist made goods.

How is America capitalist at all?

you just showed how we are capitalist,,,the dems and repubes jacked up taxs and regulations and those free market capitalist said fuck you and left,,,

so your socialist policies once again killed the free market and we are all paying the price,,,

You partisanshitheads can blame each until hell freezes over if you like, it won't matter at all. The people got what we sat on our asses and accepted. So you admit your capitalists turned to communism to increase profit margin growth to infinity. Lets say that again, the capitalists went to communists for a better return on capital's investment.

you left out the free market side of capitalist,,and also the part where it was socialist policies they were running from,,,funny how china was more free market than the USA,, kinda puts it in perspective

and I'm not partisan,,,I dislike dems and repubes equally,,,

Who gave that to China? American capital. Yes, americans kept hearing "freedom" and lost all perspective, so we mass consumed and participated.

maybe you have,,,but I've been fighting it for yrs,,,as I did here pointing out the flaws in your POV,,

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Are you upset that Trump is giving out that capitalist money in socialist programs? Evidently Trump believes socialism is the answer to our problem. Those are the only steps he has taken.

its clear youre to ignorant to know thats not socialism,,,so theres nothing I can do to help but only to mock your ignorance,,,

Got it. You have no example of a capitalist solution to Corona virus.

BTW: What do you mean by solution.

Capitalism and socialism have no solution for cancer either.

What are you talking about.

I'm asking for a capitalist solution to deal with our virus problem.

No, you are trolling because you are a blithering idiot hack troll.

Socialism is where American capitalism turns every time it tanks.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Not thinking landed America where it is at this moment. Your free marketeer capitalists outsourced your jobs, economic security and production / manufacturing capacity / capability to communist workers so they could increase capital's profit margins via not paying capitalist workers capitalist wages, who foolishly contributed by mass consumption of communist made goods.

How is America capitalist at all?

you just showed how we are capitalist,,,the dems and repubes jacked up taxs and regulations and those free market capitalist said fuck you and left,,,

so your socialist policies once again killed the free market and we are all paying the price,,,

You partisanshitheads can blame each until hell freezes over if you like, it won't matter at all. The people got what we sat on our asses and accepted. So you admit your capitalists turned to communism to increase profit margin growth to infinity. Lets say that again, the capitalists went to communists for a better return on capital's investment.

you left out the free market side of capitalist,,and also the part where it was socialist policies they were running from,,,funny how china was more free market than the USA,, kinda puts it in perspective

and I'm not partisan,,,I dislike dems and repubes equally,,,

Who gave that to China? American capital. Yes, americans kept hearing "freedom" and lost all perspective, so we mass consumed and participated.

maybe you have,,,but I've been fighting it for yrs,,,as I did here pointing out the flaws in your POV,,

Your posts must not have worked.

 

[progressive hunter]

What the fuck are you talking about? this whole thing is being fixed by the free market.

Would that be a market free from government regulation or a market free from uncontrolled monopoly rent seeking?

all monopolies are products of government interference,,,

Yes, yes, feudalism is where we need to get back to. Capital shall decide.

just pointing out the flaws in your argument,,,

 

[protectionist]

Yes liberal policies shipped jobs to China: highest corporate taxes in world, regulations, budget deficits, unions, idiotic trade deals.

Trump cut corporate taxes, regulation, increased deficits drastically, hurt the economy with idiotic trade war.... And he couldn't hit 3% growth...

Cutting corporate taxes and deregulation are 2 of the reasons we have had a great economy, with record stock market highs.

What you call growth", is books cooked by Obama holdovers in the BEA. Actual growth is about 5-6%

The market climbed 149% under Obama. The blob’s market performance has been much less robust.

Looks like more unduping for you. I've been refusing these claims for years too. Obama's only year of economic record was his last (2016), and it was a pitiful failure. Even Obama holdovers in the Obama-rigged BEA admit that.

Before 2016, there was just ordinary post-recession recoil that occurs no matter who is president.

Trump's economy has been continually booming, even top Democrats admit (only exceptions being the shutdown and Coronavirus, both not Trump's fault)

Refusing is right. Refuting? Not at all.

You are refuted. Trump did not do outsourcing, and your photos response was of brand licensing, not outsourcing. None of those products were moved from the US to a foreign country.

Where the label reads Made in China, that product always was made in China. They merely pay Trump for the use of his name on the product. Not outsourcing. You still don't get it.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

What the fuck are you talking about? this whole thing is being fixed by the free market.

Would that be a market free from government regulation or a market free from uncontrolled monopoly rent seeking?

all monopolies are products of government interference,,,

Yes, yes, feudalism is where we need to get back to. Capital shall decide.

just pointing out the flaws in your argument,,,

The is no flaw in not agreeing with you on something once.

 

[candycorn]

Well, he has ideology and political party mixed up. He first blames the democrats so when shown statistics of Republicans governing/leading for the majority of the last 50 years...he can’t counter it. He comes back with some pablum about liberalism. Which is not the case to start with. But I engage and ask how liberals got their agenda through Republican White House’s—forcing him to concede that he thinks republican Presidents we’re liberals—he punted and didn’t respond.

CEOs of organizations made the decisions to offshore jobs; the blob did it even though the cons here seldom ever admit it and when they do, they make hilarious excuses for it that always make me chuckle.

But here’s the thing. CEOs, as a group, are likely the least pro-tax, pro-regulation, pro-worker rights group on the planet. These are the men sending jobs to where it maximizes profit. Very few of them are liberals. The ignorance of Conservatives in this area and pronounced ignorance of blob supporters in every area is just amusing.

Show one example of Trump offshoring jobs (outsourcing)

View attachment 313431 View attachment 313433 View attachment 313435

I refuted posts like that 4 years ago, when Hillary Clinton was doing the same lying (or ignorance) with her anti-Trump outsourcing TV ads.

They are BRAND LICENSING, not outsourcing. Took you 4 years to get unduped on that ? Wow.

Lol.

And the explanation was just as lame then as it is today.

Your blob’s name is on stuff made in China. Are you saying he wasn’t aware and that he is suffering from impaired mental faculties? I agree with your assessment.

Apparently you don't have the foggiest idea what the words brand licensing mean.
Advice: don't enter threads when you don't know what you're talking about.

Donald Trump's Real Secret To Riches: Create A Brand And License It

And you’re idiotic enough to think your blob had no say in where his cheap crap is made. You shouldn’t enter threads when your idiocy prevents you from applying basic common sense. But you keep on doing so. Much to my delight.

 

[candycorn]

Trump cut corporate taxes, regulation, increased deficits drastically, hurt the economy with idiotic trade war.... And he couldn't hit 3% growth...

Cutting corporate taxes and deregulation are 2 of the reasons we have had a great economy, with record stock market highs.

What you call growth", is books cooked by Obama holdovers in the BEA. Actual growth is about 5-6%

The market climbed 149% under Obama. The blob’s market performance has been much less robust.

Looks like more unduping for you. I've been refusing these claims for years too. Obama's only year of economic record was his last (2016), and it was a pitiful failure. Even Obama holdovers in the Obama-rigged BEA admit that.

Before 2016, there was just ordinary post-recession recoil that occurs no matter who is president.

Trump's economy has been continually booming, even top Democrats admit (only exceptions being the shutdown and Coronavirus, both not Trump's fault)

Refusing is right. Refuting? Not at all.

You are refuted. Trump did not do outsourcing, and your photos response was of brand licensing, not outsourcing. None of those products were moved from the US to a foreign country. Where the label reads Made in China, that product always was made in China. They merely pay Trump for the use of his name on the product. Not outsourcing. You still don't get it.

Again, your blob could have had his cheap crap made here. He chose pennies over people. Only you are dumb enough to think otherwise.

 

[georgephillip]

What the fuck are you talking about? this whole thing is being fixed by the free market.

Would that be a market free from government regulation or a market free from uncontrolled monopoly rent seeking?

all monopolies are products of government interference,,,

all monopolies are products of government interference,,,

And many of those monopolies currently have GDPs larger than small states, and, since they were chartered by governments, the only recourse individuals have to controlling monopoly rent seeking is through government regulation.

 

[there4eyeM]

Reducing division and resolving problems does not appear to be common on USMB. For the most part, it is all repetitive phrases and favorite sound bites. Positions seldom develop and infinitely rarely change.
That said, to improve exchange, it might help to separate everything that is done collectively from the general and usually incorrect term "socialism". No one is proposing that industries be nationalized and run for the state/public. If no one said it (one wonders why) with the auto bailouts, they aren't likely to soon.
What are being proposed are programs which, it may be true, are conducted under 'socialism', but can as easily, and more accurately, be called simply social programs. They are aspects of 'socialism', but not the ideology.
Those who want to take shots at this post after just giving it even an ephemeral objective glance, are welcome to do so. "Socialism" makes the state the center, and that should be unacceptable.

 

[protectionist]

B. Politicians don’t ship jobs overseas.

Yes liberal policies shipped jobs to China: highest corporate taxes in world, regulations, budget deficits, unions, idiotic trade deals.

What Cornball is basically saying is that she knows the government is responsible, but she wants to blame the business owners, anyway.

Businessmen like your blob make decisions to offshore smoky

That is leftist

 

[Cecilie1200]

Socialism, not free-market capitalism, will do most to help save lives and the economy during the coronavirus pandemic.

Donald Trump is running for reelection on an anti-socialist message. But the COVID-19 outbreak demonstrates the emptiness of ideological labels.

In Trump’s case, he may try to have it both ways: using socialism as a convenient campaign slogan, while battling the coronavirus with extraordinary measures comparable to what other modern presidents have done to beat back a crisis. Critics have panned his methods so far. As infections spread, he’s kept up his golf outings and fundraising schedule, while downplaying a virus that could have reached his outstretched hand: At CPAC, he greeted Matt Schlapp, the chairman of the American Conservative Union, who was in contact with the infected participant.

Trumpworld would like the 2020 general election to be a referendum on socialism; the Democrats want it to be a referendum on Trump. “We will have it out,” Kudlow said at CPAC. “President Trump is more than prepared to show the world why what he called … ‘the American model of free enterprise’ will whip socialism every time.”

Trump, though, is no doctrinaire economic conservative. His political brand is rooted in personality and celebrity, and he’s bent on capturing a second term. If he decides that the quickest path to quashing the coronavirus is activist, interventionist government, free-market doctrine is unlikely to get in his way. If there’s some dissonance in his reelection message and his practices, he’ll live with it.

There Are No Libertarians in an Epidemic - The Atlantic

Everyone's a Socialist in a Pandemic - The New York Times

Wrong, doofus...he isn't taking over any industries or sectors of the economy, they are still working in the free market, you doofus....had we been a socialist country we wouldn't have the ability to fight this virus....as italy and China are showing.....

Emergency measures in the short term of a crisis isn't socialism you moron......

And our economy wouldn't have been able to withstand this hit if we were socialist.