Socialism sucks! (Virus hits). Socialism save us!!

'Capitalism' doesn't provide solutions, it provides financial profit. It is not an ideology, faith or doctrine. It is just one approach to economics, and it has historically shown its limitations as to its effects on general welfare.
 
Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.
Do you think Trump could have done a better job without Mueller and a 5yr Russian hoax and a 6 month fake impeachment on his ass 24/7.

Think maybe he would have started to change the medical supply chain earlier. He was talking about it from day 1. You don't remember that.

Be honest in this answer now. Your integrity depends on the answer?

Trump had credible information from experts that showed the inevitability of where we are now back in January, but he chose to lie to shield the stock market from losses instead of preparing for the onslaught we have now.
My integrity doesn't depend on one answer to any question. It depends on me using honest and fair data to make my decisions, and my willingness to admit it when I'm shown to be wrong.
He was being impeached in January, you don't remember a whole month sitting on the articles. You were calling him racist when he did close China. We'd be in a state of emergency now if he listened to you.

He worried about our med supply chain from day 1. Would he have been better off addressing this without Mueller and this Russian hoax...STILL on his ass 5 yrs later?

We have to wonder huh??

Someone qualified to be president doesn't ignore his job to cover his ass. It's part of that walking and chewing bubble gum thing.
 
Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.


More Capitalist businesses stepping up to help...

Distilleries Take Action To Help Americans In COVID-19 Crisis; Trump Cheers

Distilleries in Pennsylvania, Vermont and North Carolina are temporarily converting their operations to produce a much-needed product amid the plague of panic-buying: hand sanitizer.

In a report promoted by President Trump on Thursday, NBC News tells the story of multiple local distillery owners responding to the exploding demand for hand sanitizer, which has largely disappeared from shelves and is one of the more price-gouged items during the crisis.

“America’s Private Sector is stepping up to help us be STRONG!” Trump tweeted Thursday in reference to NBC’s report. “Many of the Nation’s distillers, large and small, are producing and donating hand sanitizer to help fight [COVID-19]. THANK YOU!”

How is profit involved in the transaction. Profit is the required goal of any capitalist endeavor. What we have here is a normally capitalist company engaging in a purely socialist endeavor. Good for them.
Hmmmm . . . . wrong. I just pointed out that profit isn't required by an enterprise under capitalism.

Don't be silly. Just because you said something doesn't make it true.
 
Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.
Do you think Trump could have done a better job without Mueller and a 5yr Russian hoax and a 6 month fake impeachment on his ass 24/7.

Think maybe he would have started to change the medical supply chain earlier. He was talking about it from day 1. You don't remember that.

Be honest in this answer now. Your integrity depends on the answer?

Trump had credible information from experts that showed the inevitability of where we are now back in January, but he chose to lie to shield the stock market from losses instead of preparing for the onslaught we have now.
My integrity doesn't depend on one answer to any question. It depends on me using honest and fair data to make my decisions, and my willingness to admit it when I'm shown to be wrong.
He was being impeached in January, you don't remember a whole month sitting on the articles. You were calling him racist when he did close China. We'd be in a state of emergency now if he listened to you.

He worried about our med supply chain from day 1. Would he have been better off addressing this without Mueller and this Russian hoax...STILL on his ass 5 yrs later?

We have to wonder huh??

Someone qualified to be president doesn't ignore his job to cover his ass. It's part of that walking and chewing bubble gum thing.
Boy I asked a simple question.

Trump had to perform for 5 years with nothing but a bogus witch hunt. Could he have used that time better??????????????????YES......................NO........Circle.

This virus starting to spread during a 6 month wasted impeachment. Could he have done better with his time????????????????????YES..................NO................Circle

You were calling him a racist when he closed China. Should he have listened to you so the country would not be in a state of emergenncy??????????????YES...........................NO....circle.

There is no use debating you if you don't answer 3 simple questions first. You're piling on a whole lotta bullshit without this insight.
 
Capitalism holds solutions to all our problems is a given for right wingers. Everything has always been boiled down to "CAPITALISM GOOD --- SOCIALISM BAD", yet the only steps we are taking are things that the right has condemned as anti-American for years. Not a single capitalist idea in the batch . Why not? Surely some of the smart right wingers here have figured out several ways that capitalism can easily get us beyond this problem. Here's your chance. Show us how capitalism can solve this.

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'Capitalism' doesn't provide solutions,

You mean besides the "solution" for lifting hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty and turning the world from one of scarcity into one of abundance over the last century, right?
'Capitalism' intends nothing other than to deliver a return on financial investment.
People who use capitalism often act in human ways and do things beneficial to others.This is human, and proper.
'Capitalism' never set out to change things for poor people.
 
'Capitalism' doesn't provide solutions,

You mean besides the "solution" for lifting hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty and turning the world from one of scarcity into one of abundance over the last century, right?
'Capitalism' intends nothing other than to deliver a return on financial investment.
People who use capitalism often act in human ways and do things beneficial to others.This is human, and proper.
'Capitalism' never set out to change things for poor people.

You're confusing intentions with RESULTS.

Personally I don't really care what the intentions are as long as the results are positive and capitalism's RESULTS are far and away the most positive of any economic model that's ever been attempted, in fact one could argue that capitalism is mankind's greatest invention since the written word.
 
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And the Feds are not competent to even RUN CONGRESS... Don't want more of that...

Exactly, a soviet monopoly will always be inefficient at best and genocidal on average.

Look at CDC. A tiny Germany company was making test kits the first week of January. CDC is only doing it now long after virus has spread widely.

All these leftists screaming about "government, government! The government needs to fix this!" are missing the lesson that the most effective and fastest assistance people are seeing is coming on the private level. While the federal and state governments are sitting around discussing plans and laws and money, private companies and individuals have swung into action, reorganizing our entire way of doing things on the fly, shifting to work-at-home programs to help employees self-quarantine without losing their income or implementing emergency sick leave programs, making free educational programs available for kids who are out of school, creating shopping cooperatives to keep friends and neighbors and acquaintances supplied with essentials . . . the list goes on and on.

If we had become the "socialist utopia" leftists have demanded for years, we wouldn't have the mindset or the capacity to rise up and act as a community of individuals. We'd just sit around, waiting for the government to take care of everything.
 
Well, he has ideology and political party mixed up. He first blames the democrats so when shown statistics of Republicans governing/leading for the majority of the last 50 years...he can’t counter it.

Actually governments are split in America between Republicans and Democrats with the Democrats prevailing by a large margin given the huge growth in govt we have seen. 1+1=2

This is why Democrats now have the confidence to lead with the Green New Deal Second Great Depression and Communist Revolution.

Meanwhile back in reality, since 1970:

6 Nixon
8 Reagan
4 Bush
8 Bush
3 Blob

29 of the last 50 years have had Repubs in the Oval.

Meanwhile, back in reality, we still have a Congress and state governments, because the President still isn't a monarch.

And no amount of screaming, "Everything is the Republicans fault, because I hate them so that makes them guilty!" is going to make it true or make you someone people would piss on if you were on fire.
 
Socialism, not free-market capitalism, will do most to help save lives and the economy during the coronavirus pandemic.

Donald Trump is running for reelection on an anti-socialist message. But the COVID-19 outbreak demonstrates the emptiness of ideological labels.

In Trump’s case, he may try to have it both ways: using socialism as a convenient campaign slogan, while battling the coronavirus with extraordinary measures comparable to what other modern presidents have done to beat back a crisis. Critics have panned his methods so far. As infections spread, he’s kept up his golf outings and fundraising schedule, while downplaying a virus that could have reached his outstretched hand: At CPAC, he greeted Matt Schlapp, the chairman of the American Conservative Union, who was in contact with the infected participant.

Trumpworld would like the 2020 general election to be a referendum on socialism; the Democrats want it to be a referendum on Trump. “We will have it out,” Kudlow said at CPAC. “President Trump is more than prepared to show the world why what he called … ‘the American model of free enterprise’ will whip socialism every time.”

Trump, though, is no doctrinaire economic conservative. His political brand is rooted in personality and celebrity, and he’s bent on capturing a second term. If he decides that the quickest path to quashing the coronavirus is activist, interventionist government, free-market doctrine is unlikely to get in his way. If there’s some dissonance in his reelection message and his practices, he’ll live with it.

There Are No Libertarians in an Epidemic - The Atlantic

Everyone's a Socialist in a Pandemic - The New York Times
If this was a socialist country we would be deciding, like Italy, who gets treated and who will be left to die.
 
Trump says he would consider government equity stakes in companies seeking bailouts

President Donald Trump said Thursday he would consider having the federal government take equity stakes in companies accepting federal aid in a bailout geared toward blunting the economic impact from the widening coronavirus outbreak.

When asked by a reporter whether he supports the government taking an equity stake in certain companies, he responded: “I do. I really do.”

<snip>

An equity stake is unlikely to be the companies’ preferred form of relief. The move is often dilutive to shareholders and gives the government greater ability to oversee a company.


We're turning into Venezuela! All hail Dear Leader, our wartime president!
 
Trump says he would consider government equity stakes in companies seeking bailouts

President Donald Trump said Thursday he would consider having the federal government take equity stakes in companies accepting federal aid in a bailout geared toward blunting the economic impact from the widening coronavirus outbreak.

When asked by a reporter whether he supports the government taking an equity stake in certain companies, he responded: “I do. I really do.”

<snip>

An equity stake is unlikely to be the companies’ preferred form of relief. The move is often dilutive to shareholders and gives the government greater ability to oversee a company.


We're turning into Venezuela! All hail Dear Leader, our wartime president!


Wow!!, I never thought I'd live to see the day. It's a Republican that makes a suggestion that's a first step to bringing the means of production under state control.

There you go right wingers. First step to socialism, in its correctly defined form.
 
Not so fast. When the government bought into banks and autos they made a lot of money.
I hope the government buys stocks and burns the short-sellers, and then adds a "transaction tax" to burn the high-frequency traders.
We are getting switched from "defined benefit" pensions to self-directed IRAs, so the stock market needs to be protected from big money "manipulation", like "short-selling" which retirees and 401Ks do not do.
 
Trump says he would consider government equity stakes in companies seeking bailouts

President Donald Trump said Thursday he would consider having the federal government take equity stakes in companies accepting federal aid in a bailout geared toward blunting the economic impact from the widening coronavirus outbreak.

When asked by a reporter whether he supports the government taking an equity stake in certain companies, he responded: “I do. I really do.”

<snip>

An equity stake is unlikely to be the companies’ preferred form of relief. The move is often dilutive to shareholders and gives the government greater ability to oversee a company.


We're turning into Venezuela! All hail Dear Leader, our wartime president!
from what I know about trump this isnt about socialism but about getting a cut of the action,,,

that leaves it to us to set him straight and stick to the constitution
 
Trump says he would consider government equity stakes in companies seeking bailouts

President Donald Trump said Thursday he would consider having the federal government take equity stakes in companies accepting federal aid in a bailout geared toward blunting the economic impact from the widening coronavirus outbreak.

When asked by a reporter whether he supports the government taking an equity stake in certain companies, he responded: “I do. I really do.”

<snip>

An equity stake is unlikely to be the companies’ preferred form of relief. The move is often dilutive to shareholders and gives the government greater ability to oversee a company.


We're turning into Venezuela! All hail Dear Leader, our wartime president!


Wow!!, I never thought I'd live to see the day. It's a Republican that makes a suggestion that's a first step to bringing the means of production under state control.

There you go right wingers. First step to socialism, in its correctly defined form.


you should educate yourself on what the left and right means in this country,,,
the republicans have always been left wing,,,
 
Trump says he would consider government equity stakes in companies seeking bailouts

President Donald Trump said Thursday he would consider having the federal government take equity stakes in companies accepting federal aid in a bailout geared toward blunting the economic impact from the widening coronavirus outbreak.

When asked by a reporter whether he supports the government taking an equity stake in certain companies, he responded: “I do. I really do.”

<snip>

An equity stake is unlikely to be the companies’ preferred form of relief. The move is often dilutive to shareholders and gives the government greater ability to oversee a company.


We're turning into Venezuela! All hail Dear Leader, our wartime president!
Very true.

How easy is that to pull off? Jesus.

Tank the economy, then bail out all the big guys for a stake in the company.

Holy Commie.

It's Hugo Chaves 2.0

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