Some Conservative electronic voting machine demands

[Bullypulpit]

An old article but just as true now as it was then...

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[Truthmatters]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Presidential_Election#Florida

the recounts were stopped by the SC desision.

 

[Truthmatters]

Florida
Main article: United States presidential election, 2000 Florida results
At approximately 7:50 pm EST on election night, the television news networks declared that Gore had carried Florida's 25 electoral votes. They based this prediction on faulty exit polls. However, in the actual vote tally Bush took a wide early lead in Florida, and by 10 pm the networks had retracted their earlier prediction of a Gore victory and placed Florida back into the "undecided" column. At approximately 2:30 am, with some 85&#37; of the votes counted in Florida and Bush leading Gore by over 100,000 votes, the television networks declared that Bush had carried Florida, and had been elected President. However, most of the remaining votes to be counted in Florida were located in three heavily Democratic counties - Broward, Miami-Dade, and Palm Beach - and as their votes were reported Gore began to rapidly gain on Bush. By 4:30 am Gore had narrowed Bush's margin to less than 2,000 votes, and the television networks all retracted their predictions that Bush had won Florida and the Presidency. Gore, who had publicly conceded the election[1], now withdrew his concession and announced that he would wait for a recount in Florida before making his next move. By the morning of Wednesday, November 8 Bush's margin in Florida had dwindled to about 500 votes. The margin was small enough to trigger a mandatory recount in the state. In addition, Gore asked for hand recounts in four counties (Broward, Miami Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia), as provided for under Florida state law. This set into motion a series of recounts (portions by machine, and portions by hand), questions about portions of the Florida vote, and finally lawsuits.

These ultimately ended in a December 12 5-4 United States Supreme Court decision which ended the Florida recounts and allowed Florida to certify its vote. The vote was certified by Katherine Harris, the Florida Secretary of State and a Republican who had publicly supported Bush during the campaign. Additionally, Bush's younger brother, Jeb Bush, was the governor of Florida and this led to allegations that Harris and Bush had somehow manipulated the election to favor the governor's brother.[5][6] Bush's margin of victory in Florida was officially placed at 537 votes (out of more than 5.8 million cast), making it the closest presidential election in the history of the state. The nine members of the Supreme Court voted along partisan lines in the split decision with the two swing voters[7] (Justices O'Connor and Kennedy) siding with the three conservatives (Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justices Scalia, and Thomas) outvoting the Court's four liberals (Justices Ginsburg, Souter, Stevens, and Breyer). Due to all of these factors, the 2000 presidential campaign has become one of the most controversial, and disputed, elections in American history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Pr...ection#Florida

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Florida
Main article: United States presidential election, 2000 Florida results
At approximately 7:50 pm EST on election night, the television news networks declared that Gore had carried Florida's 25 electoral votes. They based this prediction on faulty exit polls. However, in the actual vote tally Bush took a wide early lead in Florida, and by 10 pm the networks had retracted their earlier prediction of a Gore victory and placed Florida back into the "undecided" column. At approximately 2:30 am, with some 85% of the votes counted in Florida and Bush leading Gore by over 100,000 votes, the television networks declared that Bush had carried Florida, and had been elected President. However, most of the remaining votes to be counted in Florida were located in three heavily Democratic counties - Broward, Miami-Dade, and Palm Beach - and as their votes were reported Gore began to rapidly gain on Bush. By 4:30 am Gore had narrowed Bush's margin to less than 2,000 votes, and the television networks all retracted their predictions that Bush had won Florida and the Presidency. Gore, who had publicly conceded the election[1], now withdrew his concession and announced that he would wait for a recount in Florida before making his next move. By the morning of Wednesday, November 8 Bush's margin in Florida had dwindled to about 500 votes. The margin was small enough to trigger a mandatory recount in the state. In addition, Gore asked for hand recounts in four counties (Broward, Miami Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia), as provided for under Florida state law. This set into motion a series of recounts (portions by machine, and portions by hand), questions about portions of the Florida vote, and finally lawsuits.

These ultimately ended in a December 12 5-4 United States Supreme Court decision which ended the Florida recounts and allowed Florida to certify its vote. The vote was certified by Katherine Harris, the Florida Secretary of State and a Republican who had publicly supported Bush during the campaign. Additionally, Bush's younger brother, Jeb Bush, was the governor of Florida and this led to allegations that Harris and Bush had somehow manipulated the election to favor the governor's brother.[5][6] Bush's margin of victory in Florida was officially placed at 537 votes (out of more than 5.8 million cast), making it the closest presidential election in the history of the state. The nine members of the Supreme Court voted along partisan lines in the split decision with the two swing voters[7] (Justices O'Connor and Kennedy) siding with the three conservatives (Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justices Scalia, and Thomas) outvoting the Court's four liberals (Justices Ginsburg, Souter, Stevens, and Breyer). Due to all of these factors, the 2000 presidential campaign has become one of the most controversial, and disputed, elections in American history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Pr...ection#Florida

Once again you can not read and chew gum at the same time, Your own HIGHLIGHTED sections state clearly that "several" recounts occurred. Last I checked several was more than one. Were as you keep claiming NONE were done. Further your link does NOT point out that the basic merits of the Supreme Court case was decided 7-2, not 5-4. The 5-4 was just on whether there was enough time to finish a final recount fair that met the requirements of the law for both parties.

 

[Truthmatters]

Go get me info on the ones which were allowed to be completed Before the Scotus stop the whole thing please?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Go get me info on the ones which were allowed to be completed Before the Scotus stop the whole thing please?

So you do not believe your own links? Why did you link it? And do your own damn leg work, it really isn't to hard..

The fiorst recount was mandated by law and was a total recount of all counties. The second was a recount of counties requested by Gore. He lost both and then wanted a hand recount of selected counties, while this is allowed in Florida law the law also stipulates WHEN the election has to be certified and that was what stopped the last recount.

The trial court agreed with the Secretary of State on this issue and the Florida Supreme Court disagreed. It got messy from there.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

This provides a time line up to December 11 2000. In it you can clearly see that a mandatory recount occurred and that several counties did a manual recount while several more stopped their recounts. Further you can see that except for the Florida Supreme Court EVERY court decision on the matter was decided in favor of Bush. And you will discover that the "horrible" 5-4 decision being condemned by the left in the Supreme Court is NOT being condemned for a 4-3 split in Florida that set the stage for it. There is of course a word for that.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/12/13/got.here/index.html

 

[RetiredGySgt]

7 to 2 was the base decision on the MERIT of the case before the Supreme Court.


As stated here....

Arguing equal protection

Let me turn now to the real heart of the case--the Supreme Court's holding that the decision of the Florida Supreme Court violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The crux of this holding is captured in the majority's observation that, although the "intent of the voter" standard "is unobjectionable as an abstract proposition," a constitutional problem nonetheless "inheres in the absence of specific standards to ensure its equal application."

The majority were concerned that, in searching for the "intent of the voter," and in giving meaning to ballots with dimpled and hanging chads, "the standards for accepting or rejecting contested ballots might vary not only from county to county but [even] within a single county." The majority therefore concluded that the "recount mechanisms implemented [by] the Florida Supreme Court do not satisfy the minimum requirement for non-arbitrary treatment of voters necessary to secure the fundamental right" to equal protection.

Although this argument was endorsed by seven of the nine Justices--all but Stevens and Ginsburg--it has generally been treated with derision by liberal and conservative commentators alike.

http://fathom.lib.uchicago.edu/1/777777122240/

By the way this link does NOT agree with the decision.

 

[maineman]

This provides a time line up to December 11 2000. In it you can clearly see that a mandatory recount occurred and that several counties did a manual recount while several more stopped their recounts. Further you can see that except for the Florida Supreme Court EVERY court decision on the matter was decided in favor of Bush. And you will discover that the "horrible" 5-4 decision being condemned by the left in the Supreme Court is NOT being condemned for a 4-3 split in Florida that set the stage for it. There is of course a word for that.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/12/13/got.here/index.html

the decision in the state court was appropriate. the supreme court had no business, IMHO, getting into an issue that rightfully belonged at the state level.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

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sev·er·al /&#712;s&#603;v&#601;r&#601;l, &#712;s&#603;vr&#601;l/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sev-er-uhl, sev-ruhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. being more than two but fewer than many in number or kind: several ways of doing it.
2. respective; individual: They went their several ways.
3. separate; different: several occasions.
4. single; particular.
5. Law. binding two or more persons who may be sued separately on a common obligation.
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6. several persons or things; a few; some.
[Origin: 1375–1425; late ME < AF < ML sépar&#257;lis, equiv. to L sépar separate + -&#257;lis -al1]
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sev·er·al (s&#283;v'&#601;r-&#601;l, s&#283;v'r&#601;l) Pronunciation Key
adj.

1. Being of a number more than two or three but not many: several miles away.
2. Single; distinct: "Pshaw! said I, with an air of carelessness, three several times" (Laurence Sterne).
3. Respectively different; various: They parted and went their several ways. See Synonyms at distinct.
4. Law Relating separately to each party of a bond or note.


pron. (used with a pl. verb)
An indefinite but small number; some or a few: Several of the workers went home sick.


[Middle English, separate, from Anglo-Norman, from Medieval Latin s&#275;par&#257;lis, s&#275;per&#257;lis, from Latin s&#275;par, from s&#275;par&#257;re, to separate; see separate.]

sev'er·al·ly adv.
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several
1422, "existing apart," from Anglo-Fr. several, from M.Fr. seperalis "separate," from L. separe (ablative of *separ "distinct"), back formation from separare "to separate" (see separate). Meaning "various, diverse, different" is attested from 1508; that of "more than one" is from 1531, originally in legal use.

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adjective
1. (used with count nouns) of an indefinite number more than 2 or 3 but not many; "several letters came in the mail"; "several people were injured in the accident"
2. considered individually; "the respective club members"; "specialists in their several fields"; "the various reports all agreed" [syn: respective]
3. distinct and individual; "three several times"

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several [&#712;sevr&#601;l] adjective
more than one or two, but not a great many
Example: Several weeks passed before he got a reply to his letter.
Arabic: &#1593;&#1616;&#1583;&#1617;&#1614;&#1577;
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Chinese (Traditional): &#24190;&#20491;(&#22810;&#26044;&#19968;&#20841;&#20491;&#65292;&#23569;&#26044;&#35377;&#22810
Czech: n&#283;kolik
Danish: adskillige
Dutch: verscheidene
Estonian: mitu
Finnish: usea
French: plusieurs
German: mehrere
Greek: &#956;&#949;&#961;&#953;&#954;&#959;&#943;
Hungarian: különféle, több
Icelandic: nokkrir, fáeinir
Indonesian: beberapa
Italian: vari*, parecchi*

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Korean: &#47751;&#47751;&#51032;
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Lithuanian: keli
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Portuguese (Brazil): vários
Portuguese (Portugal): vários
Romanian: mai mul&#355;i
Russian: &#1085;&#1077;&#1089;&#1082;&#1086;&#1083;&#1100;&#1082;&#1086;
Slovak: nieko&#318;ko
Slovenian: nekaj, ve&#269;
Spanish: varios
Swedish: flera, åtskilliga
Turkish: birkaç
several [&#712;sevr&#601;l] pronoun
some or a few
Example: Several of them are ill; Of the eggs, several were broken.
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Chinese (Simplified): &#25968;&#20010;
Chinese (Traditional): &#25976;&#20491;
Czech: n&#283;kolik, pár
Danish: flere
Dutch: enkele
Estonian: mõned
Finnish: jotkut, jotkin
French: plusieurs; quelques
German: mehrere
Greek: &#956;&#949;&#961;&#953;&#954;&#959;&#943;, &#945;&#961;&#954;&#949;&#964;&#959;&#943;
Hungarian: több
Icelandic: nokkrir
Indonesian: sebagian
Italian: parecchi*; alcuni*

Japanese: &#12356;&#12367;&#12388;&#12363;
Korean: &#47751; &#49324;&#46988;, &#47751; &#44060;
Latvian: daži; vair&#257;ki
Lithuanian: keli
Norwegian: noen, flere
Polish: niektórzy
Portuguese (Brazil): vários
Portuguese (Portugal): vários
Romanian: mai mul&#355;i; unii
Russian: &#1085;&#1077;&#1082;&#1086;&#1090;&#1086;&#1088;&#1099;&#1077;
Slovak: nieko&#318;ko, pár
Slovenian: nekateri
Spanish: varios
Swedish: flera stycken
Turkish: birkaç&#305;, baz&#305;lar&#305;
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Main Entry: sev·er·al
Function: adjective
Etymology: Anglo-French, from Medieval Latin separalis, from Latin separ separate
1 a : of or relating separately to each individual involved; specifically : enforceable separately against each party <each promisor owed a several duty> —see also several liability at LIABILITY 2b several obligation at OBLIGATION b : being separately or individually responsible, liable, or obligated <a several obligor> —compare JOINT
2 : separate or distinct from one another <to regulate commerce with foreign nations and among the several States —U.S. Constitution article I> —sev·er·al·ly adverb
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[Truthmatters]

Just read the time line you provided and I do not see where it says a comprehensive recount of all the votes took place.

It does however show that the Bush team managed to have a comprehensive vote stopped several times.