Southern Strategy

[t_polkow]

“Southern Strategy” refers to the GOP’s efforts during the 70s to incorporate social conservatives, Christian fundamentalists, and others on the radical right into the Party to take over the solid democratic – but socially conservative – South:

Uncovered at Last: Lee Atwater's Infamous 'Southern Strategy' Colloquy | Crooks and Liars

Unfortunately this resulted in the marginalization of republicans of good faith interested in responsible governance, much to the detriment of our Nation.

The Southern Strategy allowed the radical right and other fringe political elements access to a major political party with disastrous results, such as the credit rating downgrade and the current sequester.

As usual with you, a myth is as good as a mile.


1. The South kept voting for Democrats for decades after that 1964 act. And, btw, Democrats continued to win a plurality of votes in southern congressional elections for the next 30 years…right up to 1994.
"GOP Poised to Reap Redistricting Rewards" by Michael Barone on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent

a. Between ’48 and ’88, Republicans never won a majority of the Dixiecrat states, outside of two 49-state landslides. Any loses in the South are directly attributable to their championing abortion, gays in the military, Christian-bashing, springing criminals, attacks on guns, dovish foreign policy, ‘save the whales/kill the humans environmentalism….certainly not race!

b. Rather than the Republicans winning the Dixiecrat vote, the Dixiecrats simply died out. By contrast, Democrats kept winning the alleged “segregationist” states into the ‘90’s. If states were voting for Goldwater out of racism, what of Carter’s 1976 sweep of all the Goldwater states?
"Mugged," Coulter

You weren't even in this country back then

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yup, the opening of federal jobs in the 1930s to blacks, the beginning of armed forces integration under Truman, the voting and civil rights acts under Johnson, and so forth and so on.

No wonder southern whites begin moving over to the GOP in 1968 and on.

Good job, bucky.

 

[JakeStarkey]

bucky will find this useful.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X_8E3ENrKrQ#]Exclusive: Lee Atwater's Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy - YouTube[/ame]!

 

[buckeye45_73]

“Southern Strategy” refers to the GOP’s efforts during the 70s to incorporate social conservatives, Christian fundamentalists, and others on the radical right into the Party to take over the solid democratic – but socially conservative – South:

Uncovered at Last: Lee Atwater's Infamous 'Southern Strategy' Colloquy | Crooks and Liars

Unfortunately this resulted in the marginalization of republicans of good faith interested in responsible governance, much to the detriment of our Nation.

The Southern Strategy allowed the radical right and other fringe political elements access to a major political party with disastrous results, such as the credit rating downgrade and the current sequester.

As usual with you, a myth is as good as a mile.


1. The South kept voting for Democrats for decades after that 1964 act. And, btw, Democrats continued to win a plurality of votes in southern congressional elections for the next 30 years…right up to 1994.
"GOP Poised to Reap Redistricting Rewards" by Michael Barone on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent

a. Between ’48 and ’88, Republicans never won a majority of the Dixiecrat states, outside of two 49-state landslides. Any loses in the South are directly attributable to their championing abortion, gays in the military, Christian-bashing, springing criminals, attacks on guns, dovish foreign policy, ‘save the whales/kill the humans environmentalism….certainly not race!

b. Rather than the Republicans winning the Dixiecrat vote, the Dixiecrats simply died out. By contrast, Democrats kept winning the alleged “segregationist” states into the ‘90’s. If states were voting for Goldwater out of racism, what of Carter’s 1976 sweep of all the Goldwater states?
"Mugged," Coulter

You weren't even in this country back then :ek:

You got nothing.....provide something or ill teabag

 

[Trajan]

Wrong man, I have studied it.....lets look at them shall we?

United States presidential election, 1968 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


without the south
Nixon-247
Muiskie 191
Wallace-100

ooh close.....very close, but still a win for team Nixon...

United States presidential election, 1972 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

EVERYONE voted for Nixon, even Hawaii, MA, NY, CA, and the south! Sp if Nixon lost the south he would have only had hmmmm....lets see

Nixon---403
crazyman-124


Wow.....so it wasnt neccessary.....
United States presidential election, 1976 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hmm the south voted for Carter...AFTER the southern strategy? how can this be?


United States presidential election, 1980 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reagan- amillion
Carter-not close

seriously it wouldnt have mattered until lik 1988 maybe?


United States presidential election, 1992 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Clinton split the south....hmmmm how is this???


United States presidential election, 1996 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

well he lost a few there, but still those dam Arkansas an west virginia...hmmmmmm

The point is the south is more republican NOW.......for a variety of factors, but the US presidential elections are your very best evidence......and it's not that great

then you get to sentaors, congress, state elections and local elections and it was a very very long time after....so why is that?????


and we know the senators didnt switch parties......and their seats remained in democrat hands.....in fact I'll post it for you again...



Revealing the Truth about the Democratic Party Part 2: The Parties Switched - YouTube

Revealing the Truth about the Democratic Party Part 2: The Parties Switched - YouTube​

Now Starkey, which of those is wrong?

I was ready to lock and load on this thread, I have gotten so tired of the BS ala southern strategy peddled at this site, but thank heavens someone else has made the case.....thank you.

heres one for the hopper too;

the southern states Goldwater won? Nixon and Reagan would lose or barely win by a sliver in 68 and 80........


or, going further back- in 52 Ike won- Virginia, Tenn., Fla., Texas and NC...and only lost Kentucky by .07%....

 

[buckeye45_73]

bucky will find this useful.

Exclusive: Lee Atwater's Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy - YouTube!

Ths td all you got.... how disappointing...well you just post talking points and still have no ideas or thoughts of your own...just more left wing bs....when you can put sla coherent idea of your own...let me know....otherwise...ill enjoy kicking your ass... ALL day long

And to show you how fake he is...why are you a republican, jakey?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

“Southern Strategy” refers to the GOP’s efforts during the 70s to incorporate social conservatives, Christian fundamentalists, and others on the radical right into the Party to take over the solid democratic – but socially conservative – South:

Uncovered at Last: Lee Atwater's Infamous 'Southern Strategy' Colloquy | Crooks and Liars

Unfortunately this resulted in the marginalization of republicans of good faith interested in responsible governance, much to the detriment of our Nation.

The Southern Strategy allowed the radical right and other fringe political elements access to a major political party with disastrous results, such as the credit rating downgrade and the current sequester.

How typical, ignore the evidence and spout the party line.

 

[buckeye45_73]

I beleive you left wing homos got owned......I still have seen no evidence but an atwater interview...thats all you got

 

[t_polkow]

Yup, the opening of federal jobs in the 1930s to blacks, the beginning of armed forces integration under Truman, the voting and civil rights acts under Johnson, and so forth and so on.

No wonder southern whites begin moving over to the GOP in 1968 and on.

Good job, bucky.

Now the bible thumping southern crackers are taken to the woodshed

 

[t_polkow]

Yup, the opening of federal jobs in the 1930s to blacks, the beginning of armed forces integration under Truman, the voting and civil rights acts under Johnson, and so forth and so on.

No wonder southern whites begin moving over to the GOP in 1968 and on.

Good job, bucky.

Now the bible thumping southern crackers are taken to the woodshed

interesting Obituary and his involvement

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/us/02dent.html?_r=0

Too bad General Sherman didn't finish the job of burning all those southern fried white trash crackers out during the Civil war, he would have saved us having to suffer these trailer dwelling slackjawed inbred southern crackers today.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Yup, the opening of federal jobs in the 1930s to blacks, the beginning of armed forces integration under Truman, the voting and civil rights acts under Johnson, and so forth and so on.

No wonder southern whites begin moving over to the GOP in 1968 and on.

Good job, bucky.

yeah Wilson segregated the military......and why would blacks vote for democrats that actively sought segregation? government money is right.......keep them on the plantation....very good starkey....now you're getting it......

still you got nothing, they voted democrat BEFORE the 64 civil rights bill.....hmmmmmmm

but it still doesnt prove anything on the southern strategy....just that blacks were democrats BEFORE it.....so hmmmmmmm......actually less reason to have one...interesting!

 

[Flopper]

Damn thought my other ones posted first

So when did blacks switch and why????? I say it was during the Great Depression.....not the late 60s....and it was because of government programs, NOT civil rights......


well all be damned

FactCheck.org : Blacks and the Democratic Party

The election of Roosevelt in 1932 marked the beginning of a change. He got 71 percent of the black vote for president in 1936 and did nearly that well in the next two elections, according to historical figures kept by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies. But even then, the number of blacks identifying themselves as Republicans was about the same as the number who thought of themselves as Democrats

Even after that, Republican nominees continued to get a large slice of the black vote for several elections. Dwight D. Eisenhower got 39 percent in 1956, and Richard Nixon got 32 percent in his narrow loss to John F. Kennedy in 1960

They love that government money....it was government money and not civil rights...well shit, this isnt taught in schools......it was all the southern strategey.......oooops it wasnt

From the Civil War to the Great Depression, blacks voted Republican because it was the party of Lincoln. When the Depression hit, blacks like whites blamed the Republicans and voted Democrat. Both blacks and whites voted Democrat by a wide margin. Democrats were able to convince voters that the Republicans caused the Depression and Democrats had the programs to put America back to work.

The Black vote in first half of the 20th century was insignificant in national elections. In the Southern states, turnout was typically less than 1%. Only about 3% were registered to vote. Turnout was higher in northern states but was very low compared to today. Most black voters were businessmen and community leaders.

In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to the Republican Party strategy of gaining political support or winning elections in the Southern section of the country by appealing to racism against African Americans. It was about getting white votes in the South not black votes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

 

[buckeye45_73]

Damn thought my other ones posted first

So when did blacks switch and why????? I say it was during the Great Depression.....not the late 60s....and it was because of government programs, NOT civil rights......


well all be damned

FactCheck.org : Blacks and the Democratic Party

The election of Roosevelt in 1932 marked the beginning of a change. He got 71 percent of the black vote for president in 1936 and did nearly that well in the next two elections, according to historical figures kept by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies. But even then, the number of blacks identifying themselves as Republicans was about the same as the number who thought of themselves as Democrats

Even after that, Republican nominees continued to get a large slice of the black vote for several elections. Dwight D. Eisenhower got 39 percent in 1956, and Richard Nixon got 32 percent in his narrow loss to John F. Kennedy in 1960

They love that government money....it was government money and not civil rights...well shit, this isnt taught in schools......it was all the southern strategey.......oooops it wasnt

From the Civil War to the Great Depression, blacks voted Republican because it was the party of Lincoln. When the Depression hit, blacks like whites blamed the Republicans and voted Democrat. Both blacks and whites voted Democrat by a wide margin. Democrats were able to convince voters that the Republicans caused the Depression and Democrats had the programs to put America back to work.

The Black vote in first half of the 20th century was insignificant in national elections. In the Southern states, turnout was typically less than 1%. Only about 3% were registered to vote. Turnout was higher in northern states but was very low compared to today. Most black voters were businessmen and community leaders.

In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to the Republican Party strategy of gaining political support or winning elections in the Southern section of the country by appealing to racism against African Americans. It was about getting white votes in the South not black votes.

Southern strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What racism did they approve of??? Again tax cuts are not racist........Liberals......yep...


In the 1968 election, Richard Nixon saw the cracks in the Solid South as an opportunity to tap into a group of voters who had historically been beyond the reach of the Republican Party.

From 1948 to 1984 the Southern states, traditionally a stronghold for the Democrats

Progressives accused Nixon of pandering to Southern whites, especially with regard to his "states' rights" and "law and order" stands....so there it be.......PROGRESSIVES accused Nixon of pandering? hmmmmmmm


so it took 16 years, almost a generation to get republican votes in presidential elections, and 1984 doesnt really count since EVERYONE voted for Reagan.....
sorry man, dosent add up....liberals say because we didnt support liberal policies like affirmative action and quotas, we're racist....well aint that a bitch....quotas ARE a racist policy

 

[francoHFW]

OP: You are out of your tiny brainwashed mind lol. SS is about the Pubs giving up in 1968 on the blacks and rich moderates and going after greedy bastids and blue collar racists/morons, especially down South. Ay caramba! Where do you get this BS? LOL

 

[francoHFW]

And then it got worse in 1980, and AGAIN in 2000, AND 2012!! Absolutely out of their minds now lol...The inmates etc...

 

[buckeye45_73]

And then it got worse in 1980, and AGAIN in 2000, AND 2012!! Absolutely out of their minds now lol...The inmates etc...

proving my point....but just state pub crap and move on.........

 

[TemplarKormac]

OP: You are out of your tiny brainwashed mind lol. SS is about the Pubs giving up in 1968 on the blacks and rich moderates and going after greedy bastids and blue collar racists/morons, especially down South. Ay caramba! Where do you get this BS? LOL

So if SS was a Republican sellout, why are Liberals like you defending it?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yup, the opening of federal jobs in the 1930s to blacks, the beginning of armed forces integration under Truman, the voting and civil rights acts under Johnson, and so forth and so on.

No wonder southern whites begin moving over to the GOP in 1968 and on.

Good job, bucky.

yeah Wilson segregated the military......and why would blacks vote for democrats that actively sought segregation? government money is right.......keep them on the plantation....very good starkey....now you're getting it......

still you got nothing, they voted democrat BEFORE the 64 civil rights bill.....hmmmmmmm

but it still doesnt prove anything on the southern strategy....just that blacks were democrats BEFORE it.....so hmmmmmmm......actually less reason to have one...interesting!

Yep,it does mprove it. We are talking about WHITES, not BLACKS, and the idea is that whites beguan moving in the South in 1968 and after because of black political empowerment by the Democrats and their Republican allies. Lee Atwater says so, and that trumps all of the naysayers put together.

 

[JakeStarkey]

So if SS was a Republican sellout, why are Liberals like you defending it?

What typical comment by a reactionary above. The liberals are not "defending" the SS, they are explaining why so many southern whites left the Repubs for the Dems in 1968 and after. jtpr312, longestar, bucky, etc., are all the descendants of those who move because of racism.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Yup, the opening of federal jobs in the 1930s to blacks, the beginning of armed forces integration under Truman, the voting and civil rights acts under Johnson, and so forth and so on.

No wonder southern whites begin moving over to the GOP in 1968 and on.

Good job, bucky.

yeah Wilson segregated the military......and why would blacks vote for democrats that actively sought segregation? government money is right.......keep them on the plantation....very good starkey....now you're getting it......

still you got nothing, they voted democrat BEFORE the 64 civil rights bill.....hmmmmmmm

but it still doesnt prove anything on the southern strategy....just that blacks were democrats BEFORE it.....so hmmmmmmm......actually less reason to have one...interesting!

Yep,it does mprove it. We are talking about WHITES, not BLACKS, and the idea is that whites beguan moving in the South in 1968 and after because of black political empowerment by the Democrats and their Republican allies. Lee Atwater says so, and that trumps all of the naysayers put together.

It doesnt starkey.....you're full of shit....one guy, that even right wingers dont like, doesnt make anything worth a shit....

go argue with your libtard friends....you're an idiot.
It was proven that blacks were democrats before this happend, it was proven that it didnt have any effect on electoral politics, local politics and state politics....zero....we've proven that 1 of 21 democrats to vote against the civil rights act became republicans......hell around that time so did arlen specter, was he part of the southern strategy?????

It's a bunch of bullshit conjured up by left wingers to help keep blacks on the democrat plantation, just in case that government money wasnt enough......