Stop-and-Frisk: A Necessary Evil?

[Synpyre]

Stop-and-Frisk is unconstitutional and an excuse to racially profile blacks and latinos in NYC, however through that same policy the police have successfully achieved the greatest gun bust in NYC history. This will certainly be used when Bloomberg and Kelly appeal the recent ruling on this policy.

When you read passages like:

"When 3 white cops tell a black teenager that he looks out of place in a Hispanic neighborhood, where he lives, something has gone horribly wrong."

It's easy and (rightful) to disagree with them on the subject. Do they see this as a necessary evil to protect NY citizens? Or do they not view it as evil at all?

For the full article check out: wearepeople2.com

 

[Moonglow]

I would like to see it done on Wall Street, they could frisk those with suits and ties for white collar crime suspects.

 

[Sallow]

It's been pretty successful in NYC.

What needs to happen is a couple of things.

1. Arrests for drugs need to stop.
2. It should only be used to net people with guns or who have just committed crimes.
3. Cops need to be a bit more courteous.

 

[Sallow]

I would like to see it done on Wall Street, they could frisk those with suits and ties for white collar crime suspects.

Believe it or not..that's a coming!

 

[Contumacious]

Stop-and-Frisk: A Necessary Evil?

Fuck, Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

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[ScienceRocks]

The fact that certain populations need to blow each other away...Well, what's to be expected?

 

[Sallow]

The fact that certain populations need to blow each other away...Well, what's to be expected?

That's what comes with poverty.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Frisking someone without probable cause is illegal. I believe court said as much in this particular NYC just ignores it.

 

[Meathead]

The fact that certain populations need to blow each other away...Well, what's to be expected?

That's what comes with poverty.

Pretty damned...no, fucking damned stupid! If being impoverished meant blowing your neighbor away, we would not have succeeded as a species.

While theft and other forms of appropriating others' property might be understood in a sense, your observation is asinine and you are a total ass.

 

[novasteve]

Crime will surge making rent more affordable

 

[Synpyre]

Stop-and-Frisk: A Necessary Evil?

Fuck, Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

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I'd sig this if I could.

 

[JohnL.Burke]

I used to be a libertarian. Back in those days, defending stop and frisk would have been unconscionable to me. I would have railed against an authoritarian state flexing its muscle and treating honest people like second class citizens.
However, something life changing happened to me. While living in Las Vegas, the apartment building I lived in and all the apartment buildings on my street (they were owned by the same landlord) had become section eights. Government subsidized housing. I had grown up on the poor side of town as a child. I lived large portions of my teenage years in bug infested apartments and trailer parks. One of the reasons I joined the Army was to find a way out of that kind of existence. Nothing, however trained me for what was about to happen.
After the apts. became sections 8s , in moved the gang bangers (black, mexican, cuban). Hookers and crackheads flooded the street and alleyway. In what I would estimate as 26 hours, my neighborhood had turned into a small war zone where people were being killed and beaten.
I did not have a car at this time so I was forced to walk down the street to get to work. Everyday was a pushing match to get to the corner. Everyday, crackheads would beg, borrow and steal as the gang bangers would congregate on their respective corners harassing passers bye, especially women and children.
Eventually, the police made my street a priority and cop cars would drive down the street more often. This did not stop anything. The crime still kept going up. People were still being murdered. An elderly woman was robbed and shot to death as the grandson she was walking with was beaten into a coma. During the days that followed, the police had ratcheted up their patrols. This is the first time I would experience profiling.
Being one of the few white people who lived in this neighborhood I was often stopped on my way to work. I would have to start walking to work about half and hour earlier than I had been previously to make up for the time difference should I be stopped and frisked. As a police officer had advised me in a moment of candor, whenever the police saw a white person in my neighborhood, they assumed he was there to buy drugs or get a hooker.
Even though sometimes the police would be contemptuous and abusive as they were frisking me, other officers were far more professional. I hated every minute of it. I felt as if my privacy had been tossed away without as much as a second thought. Conversely, I thought of the good people on my block. The people who were now prisoners in their own home. The elderly, children and honest folks who now lived in a constant state of terror. Some of those people would later be killed.
It's funny how little meaning words have sometimes. "Being a prisoner in your own home" means far more than just being stuck in your home for fear of being murdered. It's a special kind of fear. A fear that at one time is humiliating, anger provoking and quiet. A quiet fear that eats away at you from the inside like a parasite.
So all these memories are why I am for stop and frisk. Not because I like it but because I can't think of anything else to do.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Frisking someone without probable cause is illegal. I believe court said as much in this particular NYC just ignores it.

It's a 4th Amendment Violation. Thankfully most Americans don't know what that is.

I used to be a libertarian. Back in those days, defending stop and frisk would have been unconscionable to me. I would have railed against an authoritarian state flexing its muscle and treating honest people like second class citizens.
However, something life changing happened to me. While living in Las Vegas, the apartment building I lived in and all the apartment buildings on my street (they were owned by the same landlord) had become section eights. Government subsidized housing. I had grown up on the poor side of town as a child. I lived large portions of my teenage years in bug infested apartments and trailer parks. One of the reasons I joined the Army was to find a way out of that kind of existence. Nothing, however trained me for what was about to happen.
After the apts. became sections 8s , in moved the gang bangers (black, mexican, cuban). Hookers and crackheads flooded the street and alleyway. In what I would estimate as 26 hours, my neighborhood had turned into a small war zone where people were being killed and beaten.
I did not have a car at this time so I was forced to walk down the street to get to work. Everyday was a pushing match to get to the corner. Everyday, crackheads would beg, borrow and steal as the gang bangers would congregate on their respective corners harassing passers bye, especially women and children.
Eventually, the police made my street a priority and cop cars would drive down the street more often. This did not stop anything. The crime still kept going up. People were still being murdered. An elderly woman was robbed and shot to death as the grandson she was walking with was beaten into a coma. During the days that followed, the police had ratcheted up their patrols. This is the first time I would experience profiling.
Being one of the few white people who lived in this neighborhood I was often stopped on my way to work. I would have to start walking to work about half and hour earlier than I had been previously to make up for the time difference should I be stopped and frisked. As a police officer had advised me in a moment of candor, whenever the police saw a white person in my neighborhood, they assumed he was there to buy drugs or get a hooker.
Even though sometimes the police would be contemptuous and abusive as they were frisking me, other officers were far more professional. I hated every minute of it. I felt as if my privacy had been tossed away without as much as a second thought. Conversely, I thought of the good people on my block. The people who were now prisoners in their own home. The elderly, children and honest folks who now lived in a constant state of terror. Some of those people would later be killed.
It's funny how little meaning words have sometimes. "Being a prisoner in your own home" means far more than just being stuck in your home for fear of being murdered. It's a special kind of fear. A fear that at one time is humiliating, anger provoking and quiet. A quiet fear that eats away at you from the inside like a parasite.
So all these memories are why I am for stop and frisk. Not because I like it but because I can't think of anything else to do.

Wait a minute... you're saying the Government created a problem that you expect to be solved by... MORE Government?

Welcome to the Communist Party Komrade!

If you were an Actual Patriotic, Constitution Loving and Following American you'd know the solution is Concealed Carry. The crime rate would drop overnight.

 

[Contumacious]

So all these memories are why I am for stop and frisk. Not because I like it but because I can't think of anything else to do.

So for all the memories of the events that occurred to the Founding Fathers and colonists and the history of the Fourth Amendment - I reject stop and frisk.

.

 

[JohnL.Burke]

Frisking someone without probable cause is illegal. I believe court said as much in this particular NYC just ignores it.

It's a 4th Amendment Violation. Thankfully most Americans don't know what that is.

I used to be a libertarian. Back in those days, defending stop and frisk would have been unconscionable to me. I would have railed against an authoritarian state flexing its muscle and treating honest people like second class citizens.
However, something life changing happened to me. While living in Las Vegas, the apartment building I lived in and all the apartment buildings on my street (they were owned by the same landlord) had become section eights. Government subsidized housing. I had grown up on the poor side of town as a child. I lived large portions of my teenage years in bug infested apartments and trailer parks. One of the reasons I joined the Army was to find a way out of that kind of existence. Nothing, however trained me for what was about to happen.
After the apts. became sections 8s , in moved the gang bangers (black, mexican, cuban). Hookers and crackheads flooded the street and alleyway. In what I would estimate as 26 hours, my neighborhood had turned into a small war zone where people were being killed and beaten.
I did not have a car at this time so I was forced to walk down the street to get to work. Everyday was a pushing match to get to the corner. Everyday, crackheads would beg, borrow and steal as the gang bangers would congregate on their respective corners harassing passers bye, especially women and children.
Eventually, the police made my street a priority and cop cars would drive down the street more often. This did not stop anything. The crime still kept going up. People were still being murdered. An elderly woman was robbed and shot to death as the grandson she was walking with was beaten into a coma. During the days that followed, the police had ratcheted up their patrols. This is the first time I would experience profiling.
Being one of the few white people who lived in this neighborhood I was often stopped on my way to work. I would have to start walking to work about half and hour earlier than I had been previously to make up for the time difference should I be stopped and frisked. As a police officer had advised me in a moment of candor, whenever the police saw a white person in my neighborhood, they assumed he was there to buy drugs or get a hooker.
Even though sometimes the police would be contemptuous and abusive as they were frisking me, other officers were far more professional. I hated every minute of it. I felt as if my privacy had been tossed away without as much as a second thought. Conversely, I thought of the good people on my block. The people who were now prisoners in their own home. The elderly, children and honest folks who now lived in a constant state of terror. Some of those people would later be killed.
It's funny how little meaning words have sometimes. "Being a prisoner in your own home" means far more than just being stuck in your home for fear of being murdered. It's a special kind of fear. A fear that at one time is humiliating, anger provoking and quiet. A quiet fear that eats away at you from the inside like a parasite.
So all these memories are why I am for stop and frisk. Not because I like it but because I can't think of anything else to do.

Wait a minute... you're saying the Government created a problem that you expect to be solved by... MORE Government?

Welcome to the Communist Party Komrade!

If you were an Actual Patriotic, Constitution Loving and Following American you'd know the solution is Concealed Carry. The crime rate would drop overnight.

I have no problem with concealed carry. The rest of your post doesn't really pertain to what I said.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

The fact that certain populations need to blow each other away...Well, what's to be expected?

That's what comes with poverty.

No, it's what comes of a fatherless household, of which poverty is also a result.

 

[JohnL.Burke]

So all these memories are why I am for stop and frisk. Not because I like it but because I can't think of anything else to do.

So for all the memories of the events that occurred to the Founding Fathers and colonists and the history of the Fourth Amendment - I reject stop and frisk.

.

Oh yes, this is the part where we start arguing over what is REASONABLE and UNREASONABLE search and seizure. I know this argument well.

 

[Moonglow]

The fact that certain populations need to blow each other away...Well, what's to be expected?

That's what comes with poverty.

No, it's what comes of a fatherless household, of which poverty is also a result.

there are criminals that never lived in poverty and had both parents, and they are a majority of the Caucasian race.

 

[Contumacious]

So all these memories are why I am for stop and frisk. Not because I like it but because I can't think of anything else to do.

So for all the memories of the events that occurred to the Founding Fathers and colonists and the history of the Fourth Amendment - I reject stop and frisk.

.

Oh yes, this is the part where we start arguing over what is REASONABLE and UNREASONABLE search and seizure. I know this argument well.

And you believe that neither minorities nor the poor are protected by the Amendment.

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[Luddly Neddite]

No excuse for taking the rights of many away in order to find the few who might break a law.

Just because most whose rights are being trashed are black/Hispanic does not mean that whites don't or wont lose their rights when its convenient for those in power.

Equal rights for all means ALL.