Sunspot activity and Climate Change.

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This article is brilliantly instructive.........


"It is then that we will await the answer to what is the big scientific question in the solar science community: Will the Sun then enter a prolonged Grand Minimum, with no sunspots for decades and similar to the Maunder Minimum of the 1600s, or will the eleven-year solar cycle continue as it has for the past three hundred or so years?

The answer to that question is crucial, for two reasons. First, a Grand Minimum now, with our modern space-based technology, will give scientists an opportunity to study the Sun — as it behaves in a relatively unusual manner — at a resolution never before available. With such good data, they might actually figure out the solar dynamo that produces sunspots, a process that they presently really do yet not understand.

Second, and more important, a Grand Minimum now would help climate scientists figure out how important the Sun is to climate change. Most climate scientists dismiss the Sun’s solar cycle, considering the changes during its eleven year cycle too small to influence the climate. A Grand Minimum, however, might change those opinions significantly.

Moreover, though the Maunder Minimum in the 1600s coincided with the Little Ice Age, our data on the Sun’s brightness during that time period is simply not good enough to tell us if it was the minimum that caused the lower global temperatures. Another minimum now would help answer that question.

Knowing these facts, with good robust data, is essential if we are to get a true and unbiased understanding of the Earth’s climate."



The Sun makes the scientists look good ? for now! | Behind The Black





It is indeed hysterical how easily the climate crusading k00k left OCD's dismiss this out of hand as having an impact on the climate. Scientifically speaking.......its not at all scientific.:eusa_dance::eusa_dance::D
 
The Warmers respond: Fool! The Sun has no impact on Climate!! Check Mann's tree rings
 
Obama had better hurry up and kill off the hydrocarbon industries before the sun begins its next cycle.

BTW, is "true and unbiased understanding" even possible in a Liberal administration?
 
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It's the Sun, sOn!!

It may be, it may not be. It could be a combination of several factors.

But with such ferociously debated and contested elements to the argument, is it really worth committing hundreds of thousands of jobs to the graveyard? Entire industries, specifically oil natural gas and coal relegated to the shit can... for what?

Hypotheses?
 
There are two different influences from the sun. One is the 11 and 22 year "sunspot cycles" that the OP refers to. The OTHER and equally important is the Total Solar Irradiance that has contributed more than 1W/m2 to the surface heating since the Maunder Minimum..

I took a look at the evidence that the sun is about to REBOOT and RESTART a cycle that started over 300 years at the Maunder Minimum and it's literally chilling. If you look at the variations in the exact lengths of the 22 yr periods --- there are very high similarities in the pattern of "short cycling" before the Minimum.

If the sun WAS to sputter like that --- the effect would be so chilling that the whole Global Warming goes on hold for several decades...

Ahhhhh ---- Peace and Tranquility. Could you dig that? Pass a blanket..
 
There are two different influences from the sun. One is the 11 and 22 year "sunspot cycles" that the OP refers to. The OTHER and equally important is the Total Solar Irradiance that has contributed more than 1W/m2 to the surface heating since the Maunder Minimum..

I took a look at the evidence that the sun is about to REBOOT and RESTART a cycle that started over 300 years at the Maunder Minimum and it's literally chilling. If you look at the variations in the exact lengths of the 22 yr periods --- there are very high similarities in the pattern of "short cycling" before the Minimum.

If the sun WAS to sputter like that --- the effect would be so chilling that the whole Global Warming goes on hold for several decades...

Ahhhhh ---- Peace and Tranquility. Could you dig that? Pass a blanket..



Indeed.......one thing is crystal clear: THEY DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT SHIT.:coffee:


Yet they call it "science".
 
Will the Sun then enter a prolonged Grand Minimum,

No. Nobody thinks that, except some denialist cranks.

And even if it did, we'd _still_ have global warming. The warming effect of human CO2 emissions simply swamps any conceivable change in solar output.

Anyways, what's with the denialist loonytunes who think no one ever considered at the sun? Back on planet earth, the sun was the first thing anyone looked at. I think that denialists, knowing how dishonest they are themselves, simply assume everyone else has to be equally dishonest. The thought that others can be honest simply never occurs to them, as the concept of honesty is so foreign to them. Not lie for your political cult? Inconceivable!
 
Will the Sun then enter a prolonged Grand Minimum,

No. Nobody thinks that, except some denialist cranks.

And even if it did, we'd _still_ have global warming. The warming effect of human CO2 emissions simply swamps any conceivable change in solar output.

Anyways, what's with the denialist loonytunes who think no one ever considered at the sun? Back on planet earth, the sun was the first thing anyone looked at. I think that denialists, knowing how dishonest they are themselves, simply assume everyone else has to be equally dishonest. The thought that others can be honest simply never occurs to them, as the concept of honesty is so foreign to them. Not lie for your political cult? Inconceivable!

You are no different than a cult member.

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Will the Sun then enter a prolonged Grand Minimum,

No. Nobody thinks that, except some denialist cranks.

And even if it did, we'd _still_ have global warming. The warming effect of human CO2 emissions simply swamps any conceivable change in solar output.

Anyways, what's with the denialist loonytunes who think no one ever considered at the sun? Back on planet earth, the sun was the first thing anyone looked at. I think that denialists, knowing how dishonest they are themselves, simply assume everyone else has to be equally dishonest. The thought that others can be honest simply never occurs to them, as the concept of honesty is so foreign to them. Not lie for your political cult? Inconceivable!

You wouldn't know actual scientific debate from a "bigfoot" expedition...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...bernation-solar-cycle-sunspots-space-science/

Three independent studies of the sun's insides, surface, and upper atmosphere all predict that the next solar cycle will be significantly delayed—if it happens at all. Normally, the next cycle would be expected to start roughly around 2020.

The combined data indicate that we may soon be headed into what's known as a grand minimum, a period of unusually low solar activity.

The predicted solar "sleep" is being compared to the last grand minimum on record, which occurred between 1645 and 1715.

Known as the Maunder Minimum, the roughly 70-year period coincided with the coldest spell of the Little Ice Age, when European canals regularly froze solid and Alpine glaciers encroached on mountain villages.


Recently, the National Solar Observatory's Matt Penn and colleagues analyzed more than 13 years of sunspot data collected at the McMath-Pierce Telescope at Kitt Peak, Arizona.

They noticed a long-term trend of sunspot weakening, and if the trend continues, the sun's magnetic field won't be strong enough to produce sunspots during Solar Cycle 25, Penn and colleagues predict.

"The dark spots are getting brighter," Penn said today during a press briefing. Based on their data, the team predicts that, by the time it's over, the current solar cycle will have been "half as strong as Cycle 23, and the next cycle may have no sunspots at all."

Yeah --- NASA sponsored research and the Nat Geo are HOTBEDS of "denialist cranks"...

Space Weather

In June 2011, some solar physicists (Hill et al., Altrock, Livingston et al.) from the American Astronomical Society predicted that the sun might enter a grand minimum at the end of the current solar cycle 24. Their respective findings are based on the study of "torsional oscillation", "rush to the poles" phenomenon and the long-term trend of sunspots magnetic field strength, as explained below.

GW doesn't "swamp out" a 2degC in solar irradiation in my calculus.. Read it and weep baby.. It's a LOT more complex than your whining and foot stompin'.

Despite your hissy fit.. The sun has accounted for more than 1W/m2 surface energy increase in the past 200 years. And that's not insignificant at all.
 
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All we move to gain... will reach, and calm.

Here's a song about the sun.

The sun will lead us, our reason to be here.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLzlhgGiSMQ]Soon - Jon Anderson (YES) - YouTube[/ame]
 
Will the Sun then enter a prolonged Grand Minimum,

No. Nobody thinks that, except some denialist cranks.

And even if it did, we'd _still_ have global warming. The warming effect of human CO2 emissions simply swamps any conceivable change in solar output.

Anyways, what's with the denialist loonytunes who think no one ever considered at the sun? Back on planet earth, the sun was the first thing anyone looked at. I think that denialists, knowing how dishonest they are themselves, simply assume everyone else has to be equally dishonest. The thought that others can be honest simply never occurs to them, as the concept of honesty is so foreign to them. Not lie for your political cult? Inconceivable!




Global surveys show environmental concerns rank low among public concerns



yuk.....yuk......lots of looney tunes out there sweets!!!:fu:
 

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