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One need not register a car if one does not drive on public highways. How is motor vehicle registration different from firearm registration? How is that an infringement? It does not mean one cannot buy or own a firearm. I'm not saying I'm for it, but it isn't clear that it can be easily refuted.
I will cross India off my list places to go and see.
"A Swiss couple was camping near a forest in India's Datia district when a group of men beat the husband and raped his wife, the district's deputy superintendent of police, R.S. Prajapati, told CNN. There were between five and seven attackers, he said.
The couple arrived in Mumbai on February 3 and were on a cycling tour across the country, said D.K. Arya, deputy inspector general of police.
The attackers stole a laptop, 10,000 rupees (US $185) and a mobile phone, he said. The victims went to police and the woman was hospitalized and later released.
Twenty people have been detained for questioning"
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/16/world/asia...-gangrape/
Disgusting human beings..
Just to put this in perspective: This kind of thing NEVER happens to tourists in the US. Right? Wrong. Tourists in the US are regularly attacked. Women are raped. People are robbed and assaulted, murdered. Writing off a whole country (India is a big country) because of one crime? Yep. You're a real smart guy. Stay home. Don't grace them with your presence. I'm sure the country and people of India will be able to handle the absence of yet another arrogant, ignorant, tunnel visioned American.
Yes, India has a problem right now with gang rapes. America has a problem right now with mass shootings. Which is worse? Anybody got some scales?
Nobody comes to America to go bicycling and camping in drug ridden gang banger neighborhoods.
One need not register a car if one does not drive on public highways. How is motor vehicle registration different from firearm registration? How is that an infringement? It does not mean one cannot buy or own a firearm. I'm not saying I'm for it, but it isn't clear that it can be easily refuted.
in·fringe
verb \in-ˈfrinj\
Definition of INFRINGE
transitive verb
1: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <infringe a patent>
2 obsolete : defeat, frustrate
intransitive verb
: encroach used with on or upon <infringe on our rights>
Clearly registration isn't infrngement. You have to snort a lot of Drano to come up with that, let alone to post it in a thread about a rape in India.
One need not register a car if one does not drive on public highways. How is motor vehicle registration different from firearm registration? How is that an infringement? It does not mean one cannot buy or own a firearm. I'm not saying I'm for it, but it isn't clear that it can be easily refuted.
in·fringe
verb \in-ˈfrinj\
Definition of INFRINGE
transitive verb
1: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <infringe a patent>
2 obsolete : defeat, frustrate
intransitive verb
: encroach used with on or upon <infringe on our rights>
Clearly registration isn't infrngement. You have to snort a lot of Drano to come up with that, let alone to post it in a thread about a rape in India.
Oh yes it is an infringement of constitutional rights. It does not say anywhere that registration is necessary in order to own a firearm. You are delusional. - Jeremiah
I can tell you do not know what you are talking about regarding my travel preparations. Moreover, try reading what I wrote.....This is an excellent site that gives data on guns and gun regulations in 179 countries world wide. Guns in India: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law This page is about India.
I doubt you would be allowed to take a gun into India. Not without first getting a permit.
The trip the people in the OP were on was an ambitious trip, traveling through India on bicycle and camping. They probably planned it well ahead, before this issue of gang rapes was in the news. They probably didn't want to cancel their trip because of it. The woman may have felt she was safe because she was with a man. Or maybe, as the other rapes had been Indian woman, they felt Westerners would not be targeted.
These rapes are happening in certain areas of the country, mostly in the countryside. I haven't heard of any happening in tourist areas. There was news of one in Dehli, but if you have been to India, you would know, in the big cities, there are areas that are where you'll find a lot of tourists and upper class to upper middle class people, and areas that are densely populated by working class and lower class people. Mostly tourists would not be found in those areas. I think it was the fact the folks in the OP were traveling in the countryside, on their own, that made them vulnerable. When traveling, you have to take all of these things into consideration.
Apparently they did not take this into consideration and make plans to avoid this event. Further, I do not trust my life to the "news" I find whatever primary documents and data I can speak to the local police department if I can. Being unprepared or carelessness will get a person raped, killed or worse kidnapped.
I can tell you don't do a lot of traveling, not outside the US anyway. Talk to the local police department? Right. What do you do if they don't speak English? Local police departments don't welcome inquiries from every foreign tourist who wants to travel in their area. Talk to the American consulate or embassy wherever you are going. Check the CIA website which has a factsheet on traveling in foreign countries. Or better yet, since you really seem too fearful and paranoid to go outside the garden gate, just stay home. I've been traveling approximately 14 weeks per year every year for the past 10 years + and living in foreign countries, as an independent, single female traveler, no tours, no cruises, no resorts. What you describe about going to local police departments is ludicrous. Your whole American paranoid view of world travel is laughable. Stay home. You know, the fact is, you are in far more danger driving to and from work on your local freeway than you are traveling around the world. People just have no sense of proportion. You live in one of the most violent countries on Earth, and you think you are safer there than traveling in other countries. Funny.
One need not register a car if one does not drive on public highways. How is motor vehicle registration different from firearm registration? How is that an infringement? It does not mean one cannot buy or own a firearm. I'm not saying I'm for it, but it isn't clear that it can be easily refuted.
in·fringe
verb \in-ˈfrinj\
Definition of INFRINGE
transitive verb
1: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another <infringe a patent>
2 obsolete : defeat, frustrate
intransitive verb
: encroach used with on or upon <infringe on our rights>
Clearly registration isn't infringement. You have to snort a lot of Drano to come up with that, let alone to post it in a thread about a rape in India.
Oh yes it is an infringement of constitutional rights. It does not say anywhere that registration is necessary in order to own a firearm. You are delusional. - Jeremiah
Going to be doing a tour of Scandinavia in the Summer. I'll make sure not to accept any dinner invitations.LOL I have him on ignore. He's an irritating moron.
Here is more info about guns in Switzerland (they have very strict gun laws):
LOL So you're going to be in Switzerland and Finland? Wow! You live dangerously.
If you meet a nice person or nice people and they invite you to their home, go; otherwise, you'll regret it for the rest of your life. I know that from experience.
I will cross India off my list places to go and see.
"A Swiss couple was camping near a forest in India's Datia district when a group of men beat the husband and raped his wife, the district's deputy superintendent of police, R.S. Prajapati, told CNN. There were between five and seven attackers, he said.
The couple arrived in Mumbai on February 3 and were on a cycling tour across the country, said D.K. Arya, deputy inspector general of police.
The attackers stole a laptop, 10,000 rupees (US $185) and a mobile phone, he said. The victims went to police and the woman was hospitalized and later released.
Twenty people have been detained for questioning"
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/16/world/asia...-gangrape/
Disgusting human beings..
Going to be doing a tour of Scandinavia in the Summer. I'll make sure not to accept any dinner invitations.LOL I have him on ignore. He's an irritating moron.
Here is more info about guns in Switzerland (they have very strict gun laws):
Switzerland is in Scandanavia?
Going to be doing a tour of Scandinavia in the Summer. I'll make sure not to accept any dinner invitations.
Switzerland is in Scandanavia?
He's a liberal. It must be true.
-Jeremiah
All five men admitted to the attack, which occurred Friday night as the woman and her husband camped out in a forest in Datia district of Madhya Pradesh state, said D. K. Arya, a senior police officer. Arya said the men, who are from nearby villages, were arrested in Datia. Police were searching for two other men believed to have been involved in the attack, he said. The couple told police that the woman had been raped by seven or eight men, but that it was dark and they could not be sure of the exact number, Arya said. They said the husband also was attacked by the men. The woman, 39, was treated Saturday at a hospital in the nearby city of Gwalior and was released later that day, police said. The couple were planning to travel later Sunday from Datia to the Indian capital of New Delhi, about 400 kilometers (250 miles) to the north, Arya said.
The attack came three months after the fatal gang rape of a woman aboard a New Delhi bus outraged Indians, and was front-page news in Indian newspapers on Saturday. Prior to the attack, the couple, who were on a three-month vacation in India, had visited the temple town of Orchha and were planning to cycle to Agra to visit the Taj Mahal, nearly 210 kilometers (130 miles) away. They set out from Orchha on Friday and pitched their tent in a forest near Jatia village when they were attacked by a group of men armed with wooden sticks, police said. The men beat up the husband, tied him to a tree and then raped the woman, police said. They also stole the couple's cellphone, laptop computer and 10,000 rupees ($185). Police said they recovered the laptop and phone from one of the men who was arrested.
The Swiss ambassador in India, Linus von Castelmur, said he spoke with the couple and assured them of the Swiss government's help and support. "Their health and treatment is the priority of the moment," the Swiss Embassy said in a statement. The embassy said it was in touch with authorities in Madhya Pradesh and has urged a "swift investigation and for justice to be done." Figures from India's National Crime Records Bureau show that a woman is raped every 20 minutes in India. However, many incidents of rape and other sexual crimes go unreported due to the stigma attached to such crimes in the conservative country. India's conviction rate for rapes and other crimes against women is among the lowest in the world.
Last month, the Swiss government issued a travel notice for India that included a warning about "increasing numbers of rapes and other sexual offenses" in the South Asian nation, and the latest incident could prompt other countries to issue similar warnings. Travel industry representatives in India said the incident, coming so soon after the December gang rape in New Delhi, would affect tourism. "Such incidents will definitely have a negative impact on tourism. It is very unfortunate," said Subhash Goyal, head of the Indian Association of Tour Operators.
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Several people are being questioned over the attack in Madhya Pradesh but no formal arrests have been made, Inspector General SM Azfal said. He denied statements by junior officers that five men had confessed to involvement in the crime. The woman was attacked as she camped with her husband in woodland. The couple had stopped at a village in Datia district on Friday, while making a cycling trip. A group of men overpowered her husband before gang-raping her. The couple were also robbed of their valuables.
Officer M L Dhondi from Datia District Police says the couple were robbed before the attack
Police reportedly detained at least 20 people after the attack. The case is getting front-page coverage in the Indian media and the Swiss embassy has called for a swift investigation, the BBC's Andrew North reports from the capital, Delhi. The incident comes three months after the gang-rape and murder of a 23-year-old female student on a bus in Delhi, which triggered widespread protests against the treatment of women in India.
'Husband beaten'
After the attack, the rape victim underwent a medical examination at a local hospital before leaving for Delhi with her husband, police said. Another police official, DK Arya, told AP news agency the couple had said seven or eight men had taken part in the rape, but that it was dark and they could not be sure of the exact number. The victim, who is reported to be 39 years old, and her husband had been cycling from Orchha to Agra, to see the Taj Mahal, a distance of about 250km (155 miles), when they decided to camp for the night in a forested area. One report cited the victim's husband as saying that the group of men had approached them at about 21:30 (16:00 GMT). They then began beating him with wooden sticks before tying him up and sexually assaulting his wife in front of him, he is reported to have added.
The assailants stole the couple's valuables, including 10,000 rupees ($185) and a laptop computer, before fleeing into the woods. Police have reportedly recovered some belongings stolen from the couple after raiding nearby villages, and say they now have the names of other suspects. A police spokeswoman, Renu Shukla, said those responsible would be arrested and brought to justice. "The accused persons who are being rounded up will be questioned and the locals from around the area where the crime was committed will also be questioned," she told AFP news agency.
Conscious of the effect on India's international image - battered by the Delhi gang-rape - the authorities are under pressure to resolve this case quickly, our Delhi correspondent says. Indian police are still regularly criticised for failing to take other alleged rape cases seriously, despite the outcry over the safety of women in recent months, he adds. They are also often accused of using rough tactics to secure confessions. On Monday, one of the Delhi rape suspects was found dead in prison. Police said Ram Singh hanged himself, but his family suspect he was murdered.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-21822163
Gang-rape seems to be the national pastime in India...
Indian police arrest 5 over Swiss tourist's rape
17 Mar.`13 -- Police said they arrested five men Sunday in connection with the gang rape of a Swiss woman who was attacked in central India while on a cycling vacation with her husband.
All five men admitted to the attack, which occurred Friday night as the woman and her husband camped out in a forest in Datia district of Madhya Pradesh state, said D. K. Arya, a senior police officer. Arya said the men, who are from nearby villages, were arrested in Datia. Police were searching for two other men believed to have been involved in the attack, he said. The couple told police that the woman had been raped by seven or eight men, but that it was dark and they could not be sure of the exact number, Arya said. They said the husband also was attacked by the men. The woman, 39, was treated Saturday at a hospital in the nearby city of Gwalior and was released later that day, police said. The couple were planning to travel later Sunday from Datia to the Indian capital of New Delhi, about 400 kilometers (250 miles) to the north, Arya said.
The attack came three months after the fatal gang rape of a woman aboard a New Delhi bus outraged Indians, and was front-page news in Indian newspapers on Saturday. Prior to the attack, the couple, who were on a three-month vacation in India, had visited the temple town of Orchha and were planning to cycle to Agra to visit the Taj Mahal, nearly 210 kilometers (130 miles) away. They set out from Orchha on Friday and pitched their tent in a forest near Jatia village when they were attacked by a group of men armed with wooden sticks, police said. The men beat up the husband, tied him to a tree and then raped the woman, police said. They also stole the couple's cellphone, laptop computer and 10,000 rupees ($185). Police said they recovered the laptop and phone from one of the men who was arrested.
The Swiss ambassador in India, Linus von Castelmur, said he spoke with the couple and assured them of the Swiss government's help and support. "Their health and treatment is the priority of the moment," the Swiss Embassy said in a statement. The embassy said it was in touch with authorities in Madhya Pradesh and has urged a "swift investigation and for justice to be done." Figures from India's National Crime Records Bureau show that a woman is raped every 20 minutes in India. However, many incidents of rape and other sexual crimes go unreported due to the stigma attached to such crimes in the conservative country. India's conviction rate for rapes and other crimes against women is among the lowest in the world.
Last month, the Swiss government issued a travel notice for India that included a warning about "increasing numbers of rapes and other sexual offenses" in the South Asian nation, and the latest incident could prompt other countries to issue similar warnings. Travel industry representatives in India said the incident, coming so soon after the December gang rape in New Delhi, would affect tourism. "Such incidents will definitely have a negative impact on tourism. It is very unfortunate," said Subhash Goyal, head of the Indian Association of Tour Operators.
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This is why media attention on things is so influential, especially on the minds of those who are unable to put things into proportion.Gang-rape seems to be the national pastime in India...
Gang-rape seems to be the national pastime in India...
Indian police arrest 5 over Swiss tourist's rape
17 Mar.`13 -- Police said they arrested five men Sunday in connection with the gang rape of a Swiss woman who was attacked in central India while on a cycling vacation with her husband.
All five men admitted to the attack, which occurred Friday night as the woman and her husband camped out in a forest in Datia district of Madhya Pradesh state, said D. K. Arya, a senior police officer. Arya said the men, who are from nearby villages, were arrested in Datia. Police were searching for two other men believed to have been involved in the attack, he said. The couple told police that the woman had been raped by seven or eight men, but that it was dark and they could not be sure of the exact number, Arya said. They said the husband also was attacked by the men. The woman, 39, was treated Saturday at a hospital in the nearby city of Gwalior and was released later that day, police said. The couple were planning to travel later Sunday from Datia to the Indian capital of New Delhi, about 400 kilometers (250 miles) to the north, Arya said.
The attack came three months after the fatal gang rape of a woman aboard a New Delhi bus outraged Indians, and was front-page news in Indian newspapers on Saturday. Prior to the attack, the couple, who were on a three-month vacation in India, had visited the temple town of Orchha and were planning to cycle to Agra to visit the Taj Mahal, nearly 210 kilometers (130 miles) away. They set out from Orchha on Friday and pitched their tent in a forest near Jatia village when they were attacked by a group of men armed with wooden sticks, police said. The men beat up the husband, tied him to a tree and then raped the woman, police said. They also stole the couple's cellphone, laptop computer and 10,000 rupees ($185). Police said they recovered the laptop and phone from one of the men who was arrested.
The Swiss ambassador in India, Linus von Castelmur, said he spoke with the couple and assured them of the Swiss government's help and support. "Their health and treatment is the priority of the moment," the Swiss Embassy said in a statement. The embassy said it was in touch with authorities in Madhya Pradesh and has urged a "swift investigation and for justice to be done." Figures from India's National Crime Records Bureau show that a woman is raped every 20 minutes in India. However, many incidents of rape and other sexual crimes go unreported due to the stigma attached to such crimes in the conservative country. India's conviction rate for rapes and other crimes against women is among the lowest in the world.
Last month, the Swiss government issued a travel notice for India that included a warning about "increasing numbers of rapes and other sexual offenses" in the South Asian nation, and the latest incident could prompt other countries to issue similar warnings. Travel industry representatives in India said the incident, coming so soon after the December gang rape in New Delhi, would affect tourism. "Such incidents will definitely have a negative impact on tourism. It is very unfortunate," said Subhash Goyal, head of the Indian Association of Tour Operators.
MORE
This is why media attention on things is so influential, especially on the minds of those who are unable to put things into proportion.Gang-rape seems to be the national pastime in India...
Gang rape is no more the 'national pastime in India' than mass shootings are the national pastime in the US. Yes, they are happening, but it is a large country with masses of people. It is happening within the lower class Indian society in areas that most visitors to the country would not even be in. It is not as if when you walk down the street in Delhi or Mumbai or Goa, which is where most travelers go, you are going to be attacked. I have traveled in a country that was at war in the souther part, but the northern part of the country was perfectly safe and normal. What you see on TV are glimpses of the worst incidents in specific locations; it is not happening all over. Saying you wouldn't go to India because of this is the same as saying you wouldn't go to the US because of the mass shootings. Yet you all live there in safety and know that a mass shooting happening to you is statistically low. People need to get a grip.
Gang-rape seems to be the national pastime in India...
Indian police arrest 5 over Swiss tourist's rape
17 Mar.`13 -- Police said they arrested five men Sunday in connection with the gang rape of a Swiss woman who was attacked in central India while on a cycling vacation with her husband.
This is why media attention on things is so influential, especially on the minds of those who are unable to put things into proportion.Gang-rape seems to be the national pastime in India...
Gang rape is no more the 'national pastime in India' than mass shootings are the national pastime in the US. Yes, they are happening, but it is a large country with masses of people. It is happening within the lower class Indian society in areas that most visitors to the country would not even be in. It is not as if when you walk down the street in Delhi or Mumbai or Goa, which is where most travelers go, you are going to be attacked. I have traveled in a country that was at war in the souther part, but the northern part of the country was perfectly safe and normal. What you see on TV are glimpses of the worst incidents in specific locations; it is not happening all over. Saying you wouldn't go to India because of this is the same as saying you wouldn't go to the US because of the mass shootings. Yet you all live there in safety and know that a mass shooting happening to you is statistically low. People need to get a grip.
Exactly. We whine all the time about how our news media goes out of its way to find the gory story-- disasters, scandals, slaughter, mayhem, riots and pestilence. Why would it be different for international news? Came to realize this firsthand years ago in northern Ireland, which, guess what, really wasn't a place where a bomb's going off every hour on the hour after all.
We get a view of selected events from news media; what we don't get is perspective. The crucial word is "selected".
They did something incredibly stupid.
I disagree. That implies they were somehow naive', mistaken, not knowing what they were doing. Of course they knew what they were doing. It was pre-meditated, not an act of not thinking - but rather an act of malicious, evil intent with utter disregard for the life of the woman and her husband. I would give them 7 concurrent life sentences for that which equals life for each rape - they destroyed her life - they should not be given the opportunity to do this to another individual. Before anyone says that is too much I know a Judge who gave that sentence to one man for a first time offense raping a young boy. He will never see the light of day again - the rapist - I agree with tough laws on rape - paedophila because it sends the message our society will not tolerate it. Too many liberal judges are letting these type offenders off with 18 months probation and a short jail sentence. That must stop!!
This is why I support our 2nd amendment rights - that they not be infringed upon in any way - no demands to register weapons ( Hitler did that in his 5th year and then confiscated them from all citizens of Germany, Austria - etc ) as it is an infringement on our 2nd amendment rights. The Constitution is clear that our 2nd amendment rights are not to be infringed upon - in any way!
If this couple had a gun with them I believe they could have come out of this unharmed. It is a tragic, tragic story and India is going to have to do something about the gang rapes happening as this is happening alot lately. Two women were also gang raped on a bus over there some time back I heard. I hope these two people get the justice they deserve and the Courts convict those involved. - Jeremiah
Stow it.
They weren't doing a tour of the US..they were doing a tour of India. And although India is emerging nation..it's still a "third world" country. And it's still subject to social mores that are alien to western nations. Citizens of India don't even travel the roads between certain times because they are dangerous. The country simply doesn't have enough to fund lots of police and other security infrastructure.
That's why it was incredibly stupid.
Here's a book that will give you a little insight on it.
Shantaram (novel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is why media attention on things is so influential, especially on the minds of those who are unable to put things into proportion.
Gang rape is no more the 'national pastime in India' than mass shootings are the national pastime in the US. Yes, they are happening, but it is a large country with masses of people. It is happening within the lower class Indian society in areas that most visitors to the country would not even be in. It is not as if when you walk down the street in Delhi or Mumbai or Goa, which is where most travelers go, you are going to be attacked. I have traveled in a country that was at war in the souther part, but the northern part of the country was perfectly safe and normal. What you see on TV are glimpses of the worst incidents in specific locations; it is not happening all over. Saying you wouldn't go to India because of this is the same as saying you wouldn't go to the US because of the mass shootings. Yet you all live there in safety and know that a mass shooting happening to you is statistically low. People need to get a grip.
Exactly. We whine all the time about how our news media goes out of its way to find the gory story-- disasters, scandals, slaughter, mayhem, riots and pestilence. Why would it be different for international news? Came to realize this firsthand years ago in northern Ireland, which, guess what, really wasn't a place where a bomb's going off every hour on the hour after all.
We get a view of selected events from news media; what we don't get is perspective. The crucial word is "selected".
I have also, more recently, been in a ME country that people think is in upheaval because of protests against the government. What you see on the news are isolated cases in a limited area of locations, mostly in the communities where the protesters live. The country is no more dangerous than the US was during the 60s with the civil rights and Vietnam war protests; i.e., 90% of the people and places in the US were business as normal, people living in safety, peacefully going about their business. Most of the time, what you see on the news is overblown.
Even though this seems to be occurring more and more often, at least the police are usually catching the perpetrators. Maybe if they start executing them for these crimes, it'll happen less often.
Too bad for you considering India is a fascinating country with much to offer the traveler.I will cross India off my list places to go and see.
"A Swiss couple was camping near a forest in India's Datia district when a group of men beat the husband and raped his wife, the district's deputy superintendent of police, R.S. Prajapati, told CNN. There were between five and seven attackers, he said.
The couple arrived in Mumbai on February 3 and were on a cycling tour across the country, said D.K. Arya, deputy inspector general of police.
The attackers stole a laptop, 10,000 rupees (US $185) and a mobile phone, he said. The victims went to police and the woman was hospitalized and later released.
Twenty people have been detained for questioning"
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/16/world/asia...-gangrape/
Disgusting human beings..
