Targets of Maine Mass public shooter were gun free zones.

[pknopp]

The targets are always Gun Free Zones why go where someone might stop you?

2009 Fort Hood shooting - Wikipedia

 

[rightwinger]

Gun free zones are ridiculous. The only one's abiding are good gun owners

You think people drinking in a bar should be armed?
How about that moron at a sporting event who keeps screaming at the ref?

 

[bodecea]

Gun free zones will get you murdered....they leave normal people defenseless against violent monsters......just ask the Israelis on Oct. 7, or the people in Main.

He apparently picked two gun-free zones to do his attack. The picture here is from 2021. The sign for Just-in-Time Bowling Alley, located at 24 Mollison Way, Lewiston, ME 04240, reads: “We kindly ask that you refrain from bringing firearms in this building and we would appreciate it if you left them in your vehicle. Please keep our atmosphere family friendly.”

The Just-in-Time Bowling Alley in Lewiston, Maine, where Robert Card murdered 7 people on Wednesday, was a Gun-free Zone; the Schemengees Bar & Grille was likely also a Gun-free Zone.

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No they weren't.

 

[bodecea]

Gun free zones are ridiculous. The only one's abiding are good gun owners

I agree that orange sexual abuser rallies, CPAC, and NRA con-ventions shouldn't be gun free zones. That's ridiculous.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You think people drinking in a bar should be armed?
How about that moron at a sporting event who keeps screaming at the ref?

I think everyone should be armed. Except loony toon feeble old leftists with mental issues like you

 

[bodecea]

I think everyone should be armed. Except loony toon feeble old leftists with mental issues like you

More Guns! More Guns! More Guns!

 

[rightwinger]

I think everyone should be armed. Except loony toon feeble old leftists with mental issues like you

Yea…because 40,000 gun deaths a year are not enough

 

[SassyIrishLass]

More Guns! More Guns! More Guns!

Shut up , ankle snapping old man

 

[bodecea]

Shut up , ankle snapping old man

More Guns! More Guns! More Guns!

 

[bodecea]

Yea…because 40,000 gun deaths a year are not enough

Honestly, MAGAt wet dreams include being able to shoot up a place.

 

[Care4all]

Gun free zones will get you murdered....they leave normal people defenseless against violent monsters......just ask the Israelis on Oct. 7, or the people in Main.

He apparently picked two gun-free zones to do his attack. The picture here is from 2021. The sign for Just-in-Time Bowling Alley, located at 24 Mollison Way, Lewiston, ME 04240, reads: “We kindly ask that you refrain from bringing firearms in this building and we would appreciate it if you left them in your vehicle. Please keep our atmosphere family friendly.”

The Just-in-Time Bowling Alley in Lewiston, Maine, where Robert Card murdered 7 people on Wednesday, was a Gun-free Zone; the Schemengees Bar & Grille was likely also a Gun-free Zone.

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Rumor is, he and his ex girlfriend or just his ex girlfriend hung out there... Voices told him, these two joints were both telling lies about him....

 

[rightwinger]

Gun nuts seem to think that “Gun Free Zones” are intended to have someone who is planning on shooting up the place will read the sign and walk away.

The reality is, there are places where people may lose their temper, be drunk, or otherwise get upset and you don’t want them having ready access to a gun.

Bars, Sporting Events, schools, public events….all Should be Gun free

 

[2aguy]

Rumor is, he and his ex girlfriend or just his ex girlfriend hung out there... Voices told him, these two joints were both telling lies about him....

Yep....and he told psychiatric professioinals about it, and his military command informed the police, and they did nothing.....

Your god, "government," failed.....

And both sites were gun free zones making it impossible for anyone to stop him.

 

[2aguy]

Gun nuts seem to think that “Gun Free Zones” are intended to have someone who is planning on shooting up the place will read the sign and walk away.

The reality is, there are places where people may lose their temper, be drunk, or otherwise get upset and you don’t want them having ready access to a gun.

Bars, Sporting Events, schools, public events….all Should be Gun free

How did that work out for the Israelis on Oct. 7 or the people in Maine?

 

[Flash]

More Guns! More Guns! More Guns!

For once you posted something was not bat shit crazy.

"An armed society is a polite society".

...Robert Heinlein.

 

[bodecea]

For once you posted something was not bat shit crazy.

"An armed society is a polite society".

...Robert Heinlein.

We have more guns than any other society....how safe are we?

 

[rightwinger]

How did that work out for the Israelis on Oct. 7 or the people in Maine?

How did having open access to an AR15 work out?

 

[pknopp]

For once you posted something was not bat shit crazy.

"An armed society is a polite society".

...Robert Heinlein.

While I absolutely support your right to arm yourself, the 19th century West was hardly a polite society.

 

[2aguy]

How did having open access to an AR15 work out?

The people in the bar and bowling alley didn't have access to any gun.......

 

[2aguy]

While I absolutely support your right to arm yourself, the 19th century West was hardly a polite society.

It was more polite than you think......you watch too many hollywood westerns...

Here...some truth...

The New York Times Botches America’s History With The Gun

Second, the idea that “Gun control laws were ubiquitous” in the 19th century is the work of politically motivated historians who cobble together every minor local restriction they can find in an attempt to create the impression that gun control was the norm. If this were true, Kristof wouldn’t need to jump to 1879 to offer his first specific case.

Visitors to Wichita, Kan., had to check their revolvers at police headquarters. As for Dodge City, a symbol of the Wild West, a photo shows a sign on main street in 1879 warning: “The Carrying of Fire Arms Strictly Prohibited.”


This talking point has been trotted out for years because it’s the closest thing anyone can find to resemble gun control in the Old West — a picture. But we don’t even know how rigidly the law was enforced, for how long, or if ever. We certainly don’t know that the guns were dropped off at “police headquarters.”

Dodge City-type ordinances—and those of some other towns—typically applied to the areas north of the “deadline,” which was the railroad tracks and a kind of red-light district. By 1879, Dodge City had nearly 20 businesses licensed to sell liquor and many whorehouses teeming with intoxicated young men. It was reasonable that these businesses wouldn’t want armed men with revolvers packed into their establishments.
However, the men voluntarily abandoned their weapons in exchange for entertainment and drink—just as they do today when entering establishments that prohibit the carrying of firearms. Those weapons were handed back to them when they were done. Not in their wildest imaginations would they have entertained the notion of asking the government for permission—getting a license or undergoing a background check—to own a firearm.

In the rest of the city, as with almost every city in the West, guns were allowed, and people walked around with them freely and openly. They bought them freely and openly. Even children could buy them. A man could buy a Colt or Remington or Winchester, and he could buy as many as he liked without anyone taking notice.



The fact is that in the 19th century there were no statewide or territory-wide gun control laws for citizens, and certainly no federal laws. Nor was there a single case challenging the idea of the individual right of gun ownership. Guns were romanticized in the literature and art, and the era’s greatest engineers designed and sold them. All the while, American leaders continued to praise the Second Amendment as a bulwark against tyranny.

Those who praised this right, incidentally, include numerous post-Civil War civil rights activists, who offered particularly powerful arguments for the importance of the Second Amendment. Most gun-control regulations that did exist, after all, were used for subjugating blacks and Indians.
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The reason was that enforcement of the anti carry ordinances in Tombstone and Dodge City and other frontier towns like Dead- wood, South Dakota that had them were highly selective. In Tomb- stone, those friendly with the Earps and their buddies got a pass. In Dodge City those friendly with the powers that be and or the Dodge City Gang — which included Wyatt when there — got a pass too on the side of Dodge with the carry ban. That “side” is a rarely mentioned fact.


Dodge City was actually two towns, one incorporated the other not, controlled by warring political factions that almost went to shooting at each other.
That close call brought together this group of the day’s most famous — or infamous — gunmen like Bat Masterson and Wyatt Earp to back the Dodge City Gang. The other side backed down.
The two Dodges were separated by railroad tracks known as the Dead Line that ran down the middle of Front Street, its main drag.
The famous sign reading “The Carrying of Firearms Strictly Prohibited” so often used to promote similar laws today was at the entrance to the North incorporated portion where the “decent” Dodge permanent residents sought to exclude riffraff like the drovers and maintain a somewhat puritan lifestyle. Women were not allowed in saloons and singing or dancing was against the law.
The cowboys and other undesirables were supposed to stay below the Deadline according to Wyatt Earp in the book The Old West in Fact and Film: History Versus Hollywood: “Below the deadline, as far as the marshals force was concerned, almost any- thing went, and a man could get away with gunplay if he wasn’t too careless about lead. North of the railroad, gun toting was justification for shooting on site, if an officer was so inclined, and meant certain arrest.”
Sounds like cut no slack enforcement, but there are simply too many accounts of gun carry on the North side to believe Earp’s account was anything other than his famed self promoting hyper- bole. One example is the 1879 gunfight in the Long Branch Sa- loon between gamblers Frank Loving and Levi Richardson. Loving killed Richardson and a magistrate ruled the killing justifiable self defense. Even so, why was he not charged with illegal gun carry? Possibly because Dodge’s no carry laws and others like it else- where were not put on the books purely for public safety reasons as anti-Second Amendment activists claim in the many stories with titles like these:

• Dodge City Believed in Strict Gun Control – NYTimes.com
• Even the Old West had gun control – TheHill
• Gun laws were actually stricter then than now – Daily Kos

Those headlines only represent partial truths in that while some frontier towns did enact ordinances against the carrying of weapons in town, they were enacted during a period when the Bill of Rights did not apply to the states. If a town wanted to ban a book, a play, a song or a newspaper story, it could.
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Considering that the powers that be in places like Tombstone, Dodge City, Deadwood, South Dakota and many other frontier towns tended to be the saloon owners, gamblers and pimps — like the Earps — that often started the towns and provided the draws that kept money flowing in, business competition from outsiders with guns wanting either a piece or all of their action was something they did not want.
That is why the real reason for Tombstone’s anti-weapon carry ordinance was to disarm those who wanted to muscle in on the gambling, prostitution, liquor, extortion and robbery profits from which those in power got a cut, according to my grandfather and other old guys in and around his Globe – Miami, Arizona home I met who had been in Tombstone during the Earp brothers reign. Their reign could have ended abruptly, wrote Roger Jay in Wild West magazine, had the Tombstone “Gambler’s War” turned out differently:
“It raged during the fall and winter of 1880-81, and if the Earp brothers and Doc Holliday had lost it, they’d have had no choice but to clear out of Tombstone, Arizona Territory. The blood feud with the Sheriff John Behan–Cowboy faction would never have happened. No O.K. Corral. No Vendetta. No The Life and Legend of Wyatt Earp TV series starring Hugh O’Brian.
The rivals in Tombstone’s ‘Gamblers’ War’ were the ‘Slopers,’ sporting men who had operated on the Pacific Coast, in and around San Francisco and the mining camps of the Sierra Nevadas — Aurora, Bodie, Virginia City — and the ‘Easterners,’ men who in the 1870s had run the faro layouts, keno rooms and poker games at the end of the cattle trails in Kansas, the beginning of the trails in Texas and points in between. The Earps and Holliday were prominent Easterners.”
The Earps were also Republicans and Civil War Union backers while the Cochise County Cowboys and Sheriff Behan were Democrats and Confederate sympathizers. Even so, the two factions were strange bedfellow partners in crime whose disagreements were the real cause of their OK Coral gun battle, according to then sheriff Johnny Behan, in this December 7, 1897 Washington Post interview:
Did the Wild West Really have More Gun Control than We Do? - CRPA