Tea party favorite loses runoff in Alabama

[drsmith1072]

The tea partyers are a group with a vision. No plan, but a vision. Very much like the war porotesters of the 60's. They had a vision, but no plan. They wanted peace, but had no plan to acheive it for South Vietnam. They wanted peace, but no plan to stop the spread of communism nto a country that did not want it.

I certainly did not hold their vision without a plan against them and I certainly do not hold it against the tea partyers to have a vision without a plan.

I hold Bush responsible for asking copngress for approval to go into Iraq without a sound plan and I hold congress responsible for approving the move.

I hold Obama responsible for his executive order and CAMPAIGN PROMISE to close GITMO without a plan and I hold him repsonsible for his CAMPAIGN PROMISE to leave Iraq in 6 months without a plan.

Being an american citizen and preaching your vision without a plan is what America is all about.

Being an elected official and making promises and sometimes acting without a plan is inexcusable.

As fopr being a force to be reckoned with? They most certainly are. It is THEIR vision that has many politicians trying to come up with a plan to campaign with.

Very much like it was the vision of the left who prompted Obama to camapaign with the mantras of change.

I just hope that our next President has a valid plan and not just a promise to meet the vision of the electorate.

So are you trying to compare the tea partiers to what the right has referrred to as a bunch of long haired hippies among other things as if that is a positive light to be put in based on right wing history? that was a joke btw. The war protesters wanted to end the war and had a pretty clear message where as the tea party seems to be a jumbled bunch of different groups some with different astroturf enhanced agendas with no clear vison or message that a large portion of them haven't contradicted at some point or another as they rush to be critical of obama and the left.

My point was to merely point out how you saw no plans on the left but didn't seem to notice the lack of planning when the right was the side without the clear plan. Although you do concende that bush was wrong on iraq I just wish that more of the right did back when he chose to push the issue. The left, afraid of being protrayed as un-American or unpatriotic for not supporting the invasion lost their back bone but should have stood up at the time, for their cowardice and lack of integrity I find them to blame to. Too many movements with not enough questions under W from either side.

Furthermore, it seems to me that obama had a plan for moving the prisoners to US prisons and send them to court until the right threw a fit and used scare tactics and fear to turn people against it. He had a plan so to claim that he didn't was wrong.

To me a FORCE should have a unifying singular resounding message and IMO the tea party doesn't have that and that is why politicians who are trying to cater to them are having such a hard time coming up with a campaign for them.

I mean they have taxes as a kind of core issue that is surrounded by so much else but it's kind of hard to rail against taxes when bush's taxcuts are still enacted and not doing what they are supposed to do even as the right and tea party demand more tax cuts on top of the bush tax cuts.

Did not ignore. I am working and had no time to respond.

The "long haired hippies" had a vision not a plan...just like the "teabaggers. You see the tea bagger vision as jumbled; I see it as pretty clear. Lower taxes, smaller government control over our lives. A plan? No. Likely not possible to acheive it. But a vision and one they are allowed to have.

To blame the right for the scare tactics as it pertains to GITMO is not fair. Many do not like the idea of trying them in US civil courts. And besides, if Obama did not anticipate the resistance to his plan, then his plan was not a viable one.

Let me explain something to you. I am not a Government fan be it GOP or DEM. I think they are all in it for their party and not in it for the good of the people. I am a conservative with true conservative values. I believe I have no right to tell you how to live and you have no right to tell me how to live. I am against abortion and I am against you being told you can not abort if you choose. I am not interested in marrying another man, but I am not against you haveing the right to marry another man. I LOVE girl on girl porn....but I digress.

I do not appreciate Obama's ideology. But I live with it as he is my President. I do not appreciate his approach. He seems to play with words to give a message that allows him to later say "he never said that" when the message fails. He is constantly ridiculing the "other side" when, to be frank, I dont give a crap about the other side.

I voted for Bush tghe first time around. He did not get my vote the second time around. I did not see him as the leader I believed we needed and I do not see Obama as the leader we need as well.

But all that bveing said...I admire Cindy Sheehan as she sacrificed her reputation for her convictions. I admired the long haired hippy freaks. I admire the tea party.

Our politicians should spend more time learning from them than the time they spend admonishing them.

I usually wait a day before accusing someone of ignoring my posts that is unless of course they post after it and never respond to it then it's pretty obvious.

My problem with the tea party message is that sometimes in order to be critical of obama they sometimes can appear to be somewhat contradictory. Such as demands for smaller government/anti socialism and then demanding that obama step in take control over BP, confiscate tankers to suck the oil off the surface, and a few others things that seem contradictory to a smaller government and as they refer to him as a socialist for not doing that much in his past concerning private business.

Unfortunately I will have to disagree becuase the resistance was propagated by foxnews as they ran stories on it almost constantly and i am sure obama anticipated resistance just not what was thrown at him. However, the fact remains that he had a plan it was just blocked and IMO not recieved well due to fearmongering

So are you more of a live and let live libertarian? Personally, I believe that as an individual you have the right to do as you please as long as you don't violate someone else's right to do the same.

As for obama's ideology I don't think he was given half the chance that W was given. Obama was being attacked and blamed even before he was in office. Yes there were a few who attacked W but the entire republican party has been standing in his way obstructing the whole time. As it is now they seem to wish to maintain the status quo in the hopes that where we are will lead them back to power and to me that is inescusable and is definitely putting party first.
They claim he needs to come to them, he does, some of what they wanted is added and they still vote no as a block and in one instance they voted no against a bill that they co-sponsored jus to keep anything from getting done. In that respect the other side is to blame since nothing or at least very little is getting done because of their tactics.

I did not vote for bush either time (shocking, i know) but that didn't stop me from admonishing those of my own party when they flip flopped or changed their position out of political expediency which is what i do when republcians do the same now.

However, if they do or say something stupid, contradictory or wrong then they should be admonished just as our politicians should. LOL

 

[NYcarbineer]

MONTGOMERY, Alabama — A mainstream Republican rolled past a conservative tea party activist in the primary runoff for a southeast Alabama congressional seat that Republicans hope to reclaim.

Montgomery City Councilwoman Martha Roby was drawing 60 percent in the unofficial count in the 2nd Congressional District Republican runoff Tuesday against Rick Barber, a former Marine who operates a Montgomery pool hall that hosts tea party meetings.

And the fall continues for the Tea Baggers....where's Caribou Barbie when you need her? Oh yeah, still catching up on what her daughter is doing in US magazine....

LOL....all you know about the race is that the Tea Party guy lost, isn't it?

I know you were a big supporter of him.

 

[NYcarbineer]

MONTGOMERY, Alabama — A mainstream Republican rolled past a conservative tea party activist in the primary runoff for a southeast Alabama congressional seat that Republicans hope to reclaim.

Montgomery City Councilwoman Martha Roby was drawing 60 percent in the unofficial count in the 2nd Congressional District Republican runoff Tuesday against Rick Barber, a former Marine who operates a Montgomery pool hall that hosts tea party meetings.

And the fall continues for the Tea Baggers....where's Caribou Barbie when you need her? Oh yeah, still catching up on what her daughter is doing in US magazine....

and yet they keep trying to pretend that the tea partiers somehow represent 'the will of the people'?

*shrug*

The tea partiers are 80% Republican, idealogically. They are just one more incarnation of the angry right in the GOP, under a dopier than usual new name, in fact,

they are fronting for a lot of the old Christian Coalition types, now that that movement has become a laughingstock.

 

[drsmith1072]

Are you saying there is no plan to discontinue those tax cuts?

You were awake when they passed Healthcare reform that we can't afford, weren't you?

Please... go back to sleep you foolish, foolish person...

Saying it doesn't make it so no matter how much you wish it to be the case. So "Whose plan is taxing the middle and upper class right now?"

Answer the question IF you can or do you actually beleive that you avoidance and personal attacks serve as a valid response??

Furthermore, according to what I have heard and seen about W's taxcuts is that only the UPPER will have theirs expire while others will be extended so again "What are you talking about?"

Do you have anything REAL to offer??

"attacks"....

how-the-expiring-bush-tax-cuts-affect-you: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

Go educate yourself, you dumb fuck...

How about you educate yourself and explain "Whose plan is taxing the middle and upper class right now?"

Why do you continue to avoid that simple question concerning YOUR own claim??

YOUR plan of taxing the fuck out of the middle and upper class (everybody who PAYS taxes) for massive entitlement programs is not working... We tried to tell you wealth redistribution is a bad idea...

oh and did you notice how you used the PRESENT tense which means that you are claiming that this PLAN is currently active??

I don't need to know what MIGHT happen IF they all expire because no one that I know of has a plan to allow that to happen and despite your claims you have not shown any evidence of anyone who has that as their plan now or in the future.

So should I ask you again if you have anything REAL or are you just going to running away and call me names again as you go??

 

[drsmith1072]

Don't take the stupid pill that VaPudYank and others are taking... I know the temptation is there, but don't swallow it...

This race is NOT a referendum on the Tea Party movement...

The Barry experiment is failing...

i don't think it's a referendum specifically...

but i know what happened in NY-21

and PA-12

the tea parties are marginal...

i hope they stay that way.

NY-21 and PA-12 were unique situations...

Gotta run, but look them up on non-leftist sites and you'll see why...

You can ignore and marginalize the Tea Party all you want... Less gubmint, lower taxes, and stop deficit spending resonate with most americans...

They marginalize themselves when they and their supporters arbitrarily decide that a win counts as a referendum but a loss does not. That's like trying to argue that your favorite team is undefeated IF you don't count their losses. It's just beyond absurd.

 

[Mini 14]

And the fall continues for the Tea Baggers....where's Caribou Barbie when you need her? Oh yeah, still catching up on what her daughter is doing in US magazine....

LOL....all you know about the race is that the Tea Party guy lost, isn't it?

I know you were a big supporter of him.

I certainly am.

You haven't heard the last of Rick.

If you understood this district, and its current position, you would realize just how stupid your comments make you look. We are represented today by a democrat (this is who Rick was trying to run against, and who the Republican nominee, Martha Roby, will run against in November).

Since Rick didn't win, I'll be voting for the democrat.

There will never be a democratic vote out of the 2nd, even when we send a democrat to the House

 

[Dr.House]

i don't think it's a referendum specifically...

but i know what happened in NY-21

and PA-12

the tea parties are marginal...

i hope they stay that way.

NY-21 and PA-12 were unique situations...

Gotta run, but look them up on non-leftist sites and you'll see why...

You can ignore and marginalize the Tea Party all you want... Less gubmint, lower taxes, and stop deficit spending resonate with most americans...

They marginalize themselves when they and their supporters arbitrarily decide that a win counts as a referendum but a loss does not. That's like trying to argue that your favorite team is undefeated IF you don't count their losses. It's just beyond absurd.

Except nobody is really claiming any victory as a referendum... No one race is a referendum, either win or loss....

Swing and a miss, oh foolish one...

If many incumbents are tossed in November, or if a good number of strong conservative candidates win you might see that claim....

And if Angle wins, a lot of us conservatives will be laughing my ass off at you flaming leftists....

 

[NYcarbineer]

Don't take the stupid pill that VaPudYank and others are taking... I know the temptation is there, but don't swallow it...

This race is NOT a referendum on the Tea Party movement...

The Barry experiment is failing...

i don't think it's a referendum specifically...

but i know what happened in NY-21

and PA-12

the tea parties are marginal...

i hope they stay that way.

NY-21 and PA-12 were unique situations...

Gotta run, but look them up on non-leftist sites and you'll see why...

You can ignore and marginalize the Tea Party all you want... Less gubmint, lower taxes, and stop deficit spending resonate with most americans...

It was NY23, but the new spin you came up with is hilarious anyway...

 

[Dr.House]

i don't think it's a referendum specifically...

but i know what happened in NY-21

and PA-12

the tea parties are marginal...

i hope they stay that way.

NY-21 and PA-12 were unique situations...

Gotta run, but look them up on non-leftist sites and you'll see why...

You can ignore and marginalize the Tea Party all you want... Less gubmint, lower taxes, and stop deficit spending resonate with most americans...

It was NY23, but the new spin you came up with is hilarious anyway...

Says the statistics spinner himself...lol

I do enjoy schooling you in polls and statistical analysis, though....

 

[NYcarbineer]

Sweeping generalizations aside, YOUR plan of taxing the fuck out of the middle and upper class (everybody who PAYS taxes) for massive entitlement programs is not working... We tried to tell you wealth redistribution is a bad idea...

This country self-identifies as conservative 2-1 over liberal... Once they start electing conservatives who govern as conservatives things may change...

When conservatives put defense on the table, no strings attached, I'll be glad to put EVERYTHING else on the table.

Good luck with that one. Caribou Barbie already said defense budgets were to be off limits. I can't wait to see how that plays out in the fall....

And as you notice, the idea of putting defense on the table killed the conversation.

It's voodoo Reaganism all over again. It's not even original. It's the fiscal nightmare of Reagan dredged up and polished off as if by magic it might work this time.

 

[Dr.House]

Defense is Constitutionally mandated...

Back on topic:
How is one race a referendum on the Tea Party?

Why are the leftists in this thread ignoring that question?

 

[drsmith1072]

NY-21 and PA-12 were unique situations...

Gotta run, but look them up on non-leftist sites and you'll see why...

You can ignore and marginalize the Tea Party all you want... Less gubmint, lower taxes, and stop deficit spending resonate with most americans...

They marginalize themselves when they and their supporters arbitrarily decide that a win counts as a referendum but a loss does not. That's like trying to argue that your favorite team is undefeated IF you don't count their losses. It's just beyond absurd.

Except nobody is really claiming any victory as a referendum... No one race is a referendum, either win or loss....

Swing and a miss, oh foolish one...

If many incumbents are tossed in November, or if a good number of strong conservative candidates win you might see that claim....

And if Angle wins, a lot of us conservatives will be laughing my ass off at you flaming leftists....

Actually yeah right wingers DID claim that individual victories were referendums.

Romney: Brown's Big Night a Referendum on Obama's Agenda - Hannity - FOXNews.com

Scott Brown Wins in Massachusetts: A Reaction Round-Up - Washington Wire - WSJ

Burns: Race is Referendum on Pelosi & Obama Liveshots

BTW don't you think it's a little ridiculous of you to call your own pitches especially when they don't even reach the plate??

Just had to laugh at the part I put in bold type. LOL

Oh and I see that you failed to respond to post #124 where I called you out for sticking your foot in your mouth and making claims that you can't back up. I wonder why?? LOL

 

[xotoxi]

Tea Party is a fad.

Fads fade.

 

[drsmith1072]

Defense is Constitutionally mandated...

Back on topic:
How is one race a referendum on the Tea Party?

Why are the leftists in this thread ignoring that question?

Just because it's mandated it doesn't mean that it should have no limits. However, nice attempt to avoid a REAL question about cutting defense.

No one is ignoring your BS question that you JUST asked moron and if you want to how one race is a referendum why don't you try asking those right wingers who tried to make that claim in the links I cited in my previous post??

 

[Dr.House]

They marginalize themselves when they and their supporters arbitrarily decide that a win counts as a referendum but a loss does not. That's like trying to argue that your favorite team is undefeated IF you don't count their losses. It's just beyond absurd.

Except nobody is really claiming any victory as a referendum... No one race is a referendum, either win or loss....

Swing and a miss, oh foolish one...

If many incumbents are tossed in November, or if a good number of strong conservative candidates win you might see that claim....

And if Angle wins, a lot of us conservatives will be laughing my ass off at you flaming leftists....

Actually yeah right wingers DID claim that individual victories were referendums.

Romney: Brown's Big Night a Referendum on Obama's Agenda - Hannity - FOXNews.com

Scott Brown Wins in Massachusetts: A Reaction Round-Up - Washington Wire - WSJ

Burns: Race is Referendum on Pelosi & Obama Liveshots

Please, Brown may have ben endosed by some tea party people but it wasn't the tea party that got him elected.... Talk to people in MA and stop being so foolish...

BTW don't you think it's a little ridiculous of you to call your own pitches especially when they don't even reach the plate??

Are you going on record stating that all the Bush tax cuts will stay in tact? Just want to be clear...

Just had to laugh at the part I put in bold type. LOL

Oh and I see that you failed to respond to post #124 where I called you out for sticking your foot in your mouth and making claims that you can't back up. I wonder why?? LOL

You obviously care more about me than I do you...

You're a legend in your own mind....lol


"attacked".....

 

[Dr.House]

Defense is Constitutionally mandated...

Back on topic:
How is one race a referendum on the Tea Party?

Why are the leftists in this thread ignoring that question?

Just because it's mandated it doesn't mean that it should have no limits. However, nice attempt to avoid a REAL question about cutting defense.

That's your opinion... You tend to confuse opinion with fact a lot... How foolish...

No one is ignoring your BS question that you JUST asked moron and if you want to how one race is a referendum why don't you try asking those right wingers who tried to make that claim in the links I cited in my previous post??

I answered, you anal wart... Fuck off....

 

[drsmith1072]

Except nobody is really claiming any victory as a referendum... No one race is a referendum, either win or loss....

Swing and a miss, oh foolish one...

If many incumbents are tossed in November, or if a good number of strong conservative candidates win you might see that claim....

And if Angle wins, a lot of us conservatives will be laughing my ass off at you flaming leftists....

Actually yeah right wingers DID claim that individual victories were referendums.

Romney: Brown's Big Night a Referendum on Obama's Agenda - Hannity - FOXNews.com

Scott Brown Wins in Massachusetts: A Reaction Round-Up - Washington Wire - WSJ

Burns: Race is Referendum on Pelosi & Obama Liveshots

Please, Brown may have ben endosed by some tea party people but it wasn't the tea party that got him elected.... Talk to people in MA and stop being so foolish...

nice spin but you asked and you got it. Right wingers claiming that a single election was a referendum. Now be honest about it for a change, stop spinning and admit that you were WRONG.

BTW don't you think it's a little ridiculous of you to call your own pitches especially when they don't even reach the plate??

Are you going on record stating that all the Bush tax cuts will stay in tact? Just want to be clear...

You made the claim

YOUR plan of taxing the fuck out of the middle and upper class (everybody who PAYS taxes) for massive entitlement programs is not working... We tried to tell you wealth redistribution is a bad idea...

Put up or shut up. Prove who has a plan that is currently in affect to "tax the fuck out of the middle and upper class." Can you prove it or not? You right wingers are damn good at demanding proof from others all so you can ignore it when it counters you but when asked to prove your own arguments the only thing you prove is that you have NOTHING.

Just had to laugh at the part I put in bold type. LOL

Oh and I see that you failed to respond to post #124 where I called you out for sticking your foot in your mouth and making claims that you can't back up. I wonder why?? LOL

You obviously care more about me than I do you...

You're a legend in your own mind....lol


"attacked".....

And this is your typical cowardice, dishonesty and lack of intelligence shining through.

Face it you have been proven to be a dishonest hack AGAIN and if you have to try and minimize it in an attempt to console yourself as you try to make this about me then so be it, but it won't change the facts.

Except nobody is really claiming any victory as a referendum

And yet I showed proof and you ignored it. You were WRONG, AGAIN. lol

 

[drsmith1072]

Defense is Constitutionally mandated...

Back on topic:
How is one race a referendum on the Tea Party?

Why are the leftists in this thread ignoring that question?

Just because it's mandated it doesn't mean that it should have no limits. However, nice attempt to avoid a REAL question about cutting defense.

That's your opinion... You tend to confuse opinion with fact a lot... How foolish...

No one is ignoring your BS question that you JUST asked moron and if you want to how one race is a referendum why don't you try asking those right wingers who tried to make that claim in the links I cited in my previous post??

I answered, you anal wart... Fuck off....

You are the one confusing me with you. After all, You are the one that has been shown to be presenting opinion as fact and then when you are given proof you ignore it and pretend that it didn't exist.

Except nobody is really claiming any victory as a referendum

and yet they did.

BTW what did i say in my post that makes you believe that I presented opinion as fact?? I merely made a statement of my opinons on how mandate doesn't mean that it should have no limits hoping to bring about a debate on the subject to see if you could argue the point. So is this just more of you usual dishonesty as you try to attack the messenger and avoid the message??

LOL Can you read?? In the above post I told you that "no one is ignoring your bs question that you JUST asked." Then I said that "if you want to how one race is a referendum why don't you try asking those right wingers who tried to make that claim in the links I cited in my previous post??".

I was asking you, why don't you take action and ask those on the right that said it was a referendum, MORON. LOL So how did you answer that question? Why don't you ask those on the right that made the claim?