The Definition of Religion is Changing

[$ecular#eckler]

In late 2002 I joined my first internet discussion forum - Atheist Network. I am an atheist. It did not take long until I engaged in a discussion about the definitions of atheism and religion. And, it did not take long after that that I was banned for my insistence that the definition, "belief and worship of the supernatural (or god)," is an incorrect definition for religion, because it merely reinforces theism. There is not enough difference between belief and worship to justify the conjunction to differentiate religion from theism, when theism is defined as belief in god. Belief is the minimal form of worship; and a person cannot worship anything if they do not believe it to be worthy of guarding.

This and several other my semantic arguments have been presented at various atheist forums ever since then, and I have been banned from most of them; and most of the atheist forums have dissolved, because of lack of interest and funding from the members.

Anyway, I periodically review the definitions on the popular websites.

Definition of religion | Dictionary.com

Definition of religion from Dictionary.com, the world’s leading online source for English definitions, pronunciations, word origins, idioms, Word of the Day, and more.

www.dictionary.com

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Definition of RELIGION

a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices; the service and worship of God or the supernatural; commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

1a: the state of a religious
a nun in her 20th year of religion
b(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

3archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS

4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Eventually, they will get it right.

Religion is the practice of exercises that maintains a person's dignity.

 

[miketx]

Leftists always want to change things they figure will help them destroy the USA. Don't you?

 

[PoliticalChic]

In late 2002 I joined my first internet discussion forum - Atheist Network. I am an atheist. It did not take long until I engaged in a discussion about the definitions of atheism and religion. And, it did not take long after that that I was banned for my insistence that the definition, "belief and worship of the supernatural (or god)," is an incorrect definition for religion, because it merely reinforces theism. There is not enough difference between belief and worship to justify the conjunction to differentiate religion from theism, when theism is defined as belief in god. Belief is the minimal form of worship; and a person cannot worship anything if they do not believe it to be worthy of guarding.

This and several other my semantic arguments have been presented at various atheist forums ever since then, and I have been banned from most of them; and most of the atheist forums have dissolved, because of lack of interest and funding from the members.

Anyway, I periodically review the definitions on the popular websites.

Definition of religion | Dictionary.com

Definition of religion from Dictionary.com, the world’s leading online source for English definitions, pronunciations, word origins, idioms, Word of the Day, and more.

www.dictionary.com

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Definition of RELIGION

a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices; the service and worship of God or the supernatural; commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

1a: the state of a religious
a nun in her 20th year of religion
b(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

3archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS

4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Eventually, they will get it right.

Religion is the practice of exercises that maintains a person's dignity.

“The secularists Stewart represents just refuse to acknowledge that their religious beliefs are in fact religious beliefs, and of a far creepier and deadlier kind than Christians’.

….the belief that it is possible to fix the world by applying government pressure? That is not a belief that can be wholly validated by research or experience. In fact, research and experience both indicate that central planning usually makes life even more nasty, brutish, and short.

So what is this unfounded, undocumented, unprovable faith in government power to correct human psyches and behavior if not a religious (metaphysical) belief? It is also an unprovable and metaphysical belief about what a human is — a thing that can be “corrected” by politics and whose “error” is not intrinsic to itself. Again, these are all metaphysical, religious beliefs with no empirical basis or possibility of being fully empirically proven.

The secular, pagan, atheist types are the ones who claim religious assumptions are evil. They do so because they erroneously believe they are free from such assumptions. But in truth, no one is.””
Barr: The People Trying To 'Impose Their Values' Are 'Militant Secularists'

[have you accepted the state as your lord and savior]

 

[Ben Thomson]

In late 2002 I joined my first internet discussion forum - Atheist Network. I am an atheist. It did not take long until I engaged in a discussion about the definitions of atheism and religion. And, it did not take long after that that I was banned for my insistence that the definition, "belief and worship of the supernatural (or god)," is an incorrect definition for religion, because it merely reinforces theism. There is not enough difference between belief and worship to justify the conjunction to differentiate religion from theism, when theism is defined as belief in god. Belief is the minimal form of worship; and a person cannot worship anything if they do not believe it to be worthy of guarding.

This and several other my semantic arguments have been presented at various atheist forums ever since then, and I have been banned from most of them; and most of the atheist forums have dissolved, because of lack of interest and funding from the members.

Anyway, I periodically review the definitions on the popular websites.

Definition of religion | Dictionary.com

Definition of religion from Dictionary.com, the world’s leading online source for English definitions, pronunciations, word origins, idioms, Word of the Day, and more.

www.dictionary.com

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Definition of RELIGION

a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices; the service and worship of God or the supernatural; commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

1a: the state of a religious
a nun in her 20th year of religion
b(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

3archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS

4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Eventually, they will get it right.

Religion is the practice of exercises that maintains a person's dignity.

Found this on a website called 'Importantindia.com' that pretty much sums up why orthodox religions still persist..' Blind Belief refers to the complete acceptance of something without any proof or reason. Though we have reached the era of a modern science and technology certain old beliefs, customs and superstitions have not yet changed'. The deeply relgious do not want to hear or accept any argument based on physics about how some biblical events could not have occured as discribed in the bible.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

You should learn to use the quotation tool. Your post is difficult to understand, otherwise; because we are expecting you to be the author of the content.

So what is this unfounded, undocumented, unprovable faith in government power to correct human psyches and behavior if not a religious (metaphysical) belief? It is also an unprovable and metaphysical belief about what a human is — a thing that can be “corrected” by politics and whose “error” is not intrinsic to itself. Again, these are all metaphysical, religious beliefs with no empirical basis or possibility of being fully empirically proven.

The secular, pagan, atheist types are the ones who claim religious assumptions are evil. They do so because they erroneously believe they are free from such assumptions. But in truth, no one is.””
Barr: The People Trying To 'Impose Their Values' Are 'Militant Secularists'

[have you accepted the state as your lord and savior]

What is your definition of religion?
The state is not my lord and savior. The state is my system of justice, but it is detrimentally flawed, and needs to be reorganized using the information that has been reveled since it was installed.

A Better Subdivisioning of the Three-part Model will Provide Better Checks & Balances

http://www.us4cc.info

www.usmessageboard.com

Leftists always want to change things they figure will help them destroy the USA. Don't you?

What is your definition of religion?

 

[miketx]

You should learn to use the quotation tool. Your post is difficult to understand, otherwise; because we are expecting you to be the author of the content.

So what is this unfounded, undocumented, unprovable faith in government power to correct human psyches and behavior if not a religious (metaphysical) belief? It is also an unprovable and metaphysical belief about what a human is — a thing that can be “corrected” by politics and whose “error” is not intrinsic to itself. Again, these are all metaphysical, religious beliefs with no empirical basis or possibility of being fully empirically proven.

The secular, pagan, atheist types are the ones who claim religious assumptions are evil. They do so because they erroneously believe they are free from such assumptions. But in truth, no one is.””
Barr: The People Trying To 'Impose Their Values' Are 'Militant Secularists'

[have you accepted the state as your lord and savior]

What is your definition of religion?
The state is not my lord and savior. The state is my system of justice, but it is detrimentally flawed, and needs to be reorganized using the information that has been reveled since it was installed.

A Better Subdivisioning of the Three-part Model will Provide Better Checks & Balances

http://www.us4cc.info

www.usmessageboard.com

Leftists always want to change things they figure will help them destroy the USA. Don't you?

What is your definition of religion?

Never had one.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Found this on a website called 'Importantindia.com' that pretty much sums up why orthodox religions still persist..' Blind Belief refers to the complete acceptance of something without any proof or reason. Though we have reached the era of a modern science and technology certain old beliefs, customs and superstitions have not yet changed'. The deeply relgious do not want to hear or accept any argument based on physics about how some biblical events could not have occured as discribed in the bible.

My argument is not refuting theists beliefs that defy physics. My argument suggests that the definition of religion is incorrect, and needs to be corrected.

Religion is the practice of exercises that maintains a person's dignity.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You should learn to use the quotation tool. Your post is difficult to understand, otherwise; because we are expecting you to be the author of the content.

So what is this unfounded, undocumented, unprovable faith in government power to correct human psyches and behavior if not a religious (metaphysical) belief? It is also an unprovable and metaphysical belief about what a human is — a thing that can be “corrected” by politics and whose “error” is not intrinsic to itself. Again, these are all metaphysical, religious beliefs with no empirical basis or possibility of being fully empirically proven.

The secular, pagan, atheist types are the ones who claim religious assumptions are evil. They do so because they erroneously believe they are free from such assumptions. But in truth, no one is.””
Barr: The People Trying To 'Impose Their Values' Are 'Militant Secularists'

[have you accepted the state as your lord and savior]

What is your definition of religion?
The state is not my lord and savior. The state is my system of justice, but it is detrimentally flawed, and needs to be reorganized using the information that has been reveled since it was installed.

A Better Subdivisioning of the Three-part Model will Provide Better Checks & Balances

http://www.us4cc.info

www.usmessageboard.com

Leftists always want to change things they figure will help them destroy the USA. Don't you?

What is your definition of religion?

You should clean off your specs, and you'd find quotation marks and the source underlined at the bottom.

Now you owe me an apology.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You should learn to use the quotation tool. Your post is difficult to understand, otherwise; because we are expecting you to be the author of the content.

So what is this unfounded, undocumented, unprovable faith in government power to correct human psyches and behavior if not a religious (metaphysical) belief? It is also an unprovable and metaphysical belief about what a human is — a thing that can be “corrected” by politics and whose “error” is not intrinsic to itself. Again, these are all metaphysical, religious beliefs with no empirical basis or possibility of being fully empirically proven.

The secular, pagan, atheist types are the ones who claim religious assumptions are evil. They do so because they erroneously believe they are free from such assumptions. But in truth, no one is.””
Barr: The People Trying To 'Impose Their Values' Are 'Militant Secularists'

[have you accepted the state as your lord and savior]

What is your definition of religion?
The state is not my lord and savior. The state is my system of justice, but it is detrimentally flawed, and needs to be reorganized using the information that has been reveled since it was installed.

A Better Subdivisioning of the Three-part Model will Provide Better Checks & Balances

http://www.us4cc.info

www.usmessageboard.com

Leftists always want to change things they figure will help them destroy the USA. Don't you?

What is your definition of religion?

"What is your definition of religion?
The state is not my lord and savior. The state is my system of justice, but it is detrimentally flawed, and needs to be reorganized using the information that has been reveled since it was installed."


I don't know you, but, arguendo, I'm gonna assume you to be a Democrat.

If so, your actual religion is Militant Secularism.

From the Amazon review of Godless, by Coulter…


Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes of a religion. In Godless, Coulter throws open the doors of the Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its churches (government schools, where prayer is prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an inconsequential accident).

Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened from the benighted.
And....Franklin Delano Roosevelt, "...the Socialist Savior of the Democratic Party."

the Catechism: you didn't build that.....any success is just dumb luck



Sen. Mazie Hirono (D., Hawaii) on Tuesday called for liberal activists to believe in climate change as if it were a "religion." Dem Senator Hirono: Believe in Climate Change Like a Religion





2. And the equally brilliant Ben Shapiro runs with "its sacraments (abortion)"....

"When Abortion Becomes a Sacrament

3. ...alleged comedian Michelle Wolf paid tribute to the most important facet of American life: abortion. On her Netflix show on Sunday, Wolf dressed up in red, white and blue, and shrieked into the camera, "God bless abortions, and God bless America!" She explained: "Women, if you need an abortion, get one! If you want an abortion, get one! ...


4. ...a ground shift has taken place in how Democrats think about abortion. Back in 2005, I wrote that the Democratic "safe, legal and rare" formulation regarding abortion was logically and morally untenable: If Democrats wanted abortion to be rare thanks to its inherent immorality, there was no reason for it to be legal. Democrats have finally come around: They're now "shouting" their abortions, proclaiming them from the rooftops, suggesting that there is a moral good achieved by abortion.


5. ...Lena Dunham said just two years ago, "I still haven't had an abortion, but I wish I had." Thus, Chelsea Handler, who has had two abortions, explained in the pages of Playboy, "I don't ever look back and think, 'God, I wish I'd had that baby.'" Her article was accompanied by a picture of a woman's hand with a raised middle finger with a pink bow around it; attached to the bow is a small card that reads, "It's an abortion!"





6. Gloria Steinem once remarked, "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament." But modern-day feminists have determined that abortion isa sacrament specifically because women can get pregnant: Showing that control over your body even extends to the killing of your unborn child is a way of standing up against patriarchal concerns with Wwomen as the source of future generations.


7. ...abortion isn't just another decision. It's a giant middle finger to the moral establishment. And those who would fight abortion are desacralizing the mysterious holiness of a ritual that reinforces women's control. No wonder Wolf thinks God blesses abortion; abortion is her god."
When Abortion Becomes A Sacrament

8. “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.” Whittaker Chambers, Witness

 

[$ecular#eckler]

You should clean off your specs, and you'd find quotation marks and the source underlined at the bottom.

Obviously, I figured that out. What I am sure I said was that your post was difficult to understand.

Your post is difficult to understand, otherwise; because we are expecting you to be the author of the content.

Yes, that is what I said. You should learn to use the editing tools that are available to make it easier for members to distinguish the quotations from your comments.

Now you owe me an apology.

I do not owe you anything like an apology - You owe me. I did not say i could not understand your post, I just said it was difficult; and that is because you are not using the tools available, because you are lazy - the tools are not that difficult to learn how to use correctly like an adult.

I don't know you, but, arguendo, I'm gonna assume you to be a Democrat.

You are wrong. I am an atheist-libertarian that leans conservative, and I always vote for Republicans. I listen to Rush Limbaugh almost everyday. I listen to Mark Levin very often. I listen to Sean Hannity once and a while. I used to listen to Bill O'Reilly everyday, but he gave it up for awhile - he's back, but I have to get on the Internet to listen, and that is not always possible.

And I am a fan of Ann Coulter, who guests on the Mark Simone radio show once a week.

I do not think you comprehended the consequences I endured from other atheists - they reject me for my arguments that counter the dogma that they have developed, because of the outdated definiions of words that are significant to their arguments describing atheism.

If so, your actual religion is Militant Secularism.

No. My religion is Cynicism. Secularism cannot be a religion, and it cannot be militant. Secularism is infinite toleration of different ideologies.

But you do seem to agree that religion does not require a belief in gods - is that correct, or have you been fooled by popular authors rhetoric???

From the Amazon review of Godless, by Coulter…


Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes of a religion. In Godless, Coulter throws open the doors of the Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its churches (government schools, where prayer is prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an inconsequential accident).

I have not read the book, "Godless," but don't you think it is kind of discrediting, or pejorative, to religion, if someone describes a religion as to have some very profane aspects.

Your definition of religion is it to be something good - right???

So, why do you approve of this description and offer it as an argument???


This looks like a lot of unaccredited quotations - it does not seem to be from the review of "Godless." Would you like for me to offer arguments to all of this???

Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened from the benighted.
And....Franklin Delano Roosevelt, "...the Socialist Savior of the Democratic Party."

the Catechism: you didn't build that.....any success is just dumb luck

Sen. Mazie Hirono (D., Hawaii) on Tuesday called for liberal activists to believe in climate change as if it were a "religion." Dem Senator Hirono: Believe in Climate Change Like a Religion

2. And the equally brilliant Ben Shapiro runs with "its sacraments (abortion)"....

"When Abortion Becomes a Sacrament

3. ...alleged comedian Michelle Wolf paid tribute to the most important facet of American life: abortion. On her Netflix show on Sunday, Wolf dressed up in red, white and blue, and shrieked into the camera, "God bless abortions, and God bless America!" She explained: "Women, if you need an abortion, get one! If you want an abortion, get one! ...

4. ...a ground shift has taken place in how Democrats think about abortion. Back in 2005, I wrote that the Democratic "safe, legal and rare" formulation regarding abortion was logically and morally untenable: If Democrats wanted abortion to be rare thanks to its inherent immorality, there was no reason for it to be legal. Democrats have finally come around: They're now "shouting" their abortions, proclaiming them from the rooftops, suggesting that there is a moral good achieved by abortion.

5. ...Lena Dunham said just two years ago, "I still haven't had an abortion, but I wish I had." Thus, Chelsea Handler, who has had two abortions, explained in the pages of Playboy, "I don't ever look back and think, 'God, I wish I'd had that baby.'" Her article was accompanied by a picture of a woman's hand with a raised middle finger with a pink bow around it; attached to the bow is a small card that reads, "It's an abortion!"

6. Gloria Steinem once remarked, "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament." But modern-day feminists have determined that abortion isa sacrament specifically because women can get pregnant: Showing that control over your body even extends to the killing of your unborn child is a way of standing up against patriarchal concerns with Wwomen as the source of future generations.

7. ...abortion isn't just another decision. It's a giant middle finger to the moral establishment. And those who would fight abortion are desacralizing the mysterious holiness of a ritual that reinforces women's control. No wonder Wolf thinks God blesses abortion; abortion is her god."
When Abortion Becomes A Sacrament

8. “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.” Whittaker Chambers, Witness

 

[PoliticalChic]

You should clean off your specs, and you'd find quotation marks and the source underlined at the bottom.

Obviously, I figured that out. What I am sure I said was that your post was difficult to understand.

Your post is difficult to understand, otherwise; because we are expecting you to be the author of the content.

Yes, that is what I said. You should learn to use the editing tools that are available to make it easier for members to distinguish the quotations from your comments.

Now you owe me an apology.

I do now owe you anything like an apology - You owe me. I did not say i could not understand your post, I just said it was difficult; and that is because you are not using the tools available, because you are lazy - the tools are not that difficult to learn how to use correctly like an adult.

I don't know you, but, arguendo, I'm gonna assume you to be a Democrat.

You are wrong. I am an atheist-libertarian that leans conservative, and I always vote for Republicans. I listen to Rush Limbaugh almost everyday. I listen to Mark Levin very often. I listen to Sean Hannity once and a while. I used to listen to Bill O'Reilly everyday, but he gave it up for awhile - he's back, but I have to get on the Internet to listen, and that is not always possible.

And I am a fan of Ann Coulter, who guests on the Mark Simone radio show once a week.

I do not think you comprehended the consequences I endured from other atheists - they reject me for my arguments that counter the dogma that they have developed, because of the outdated definiions of words that are significant to their arguments describing atheism.

If so, your actual religion is Militant Secularism.

No. My religion is Cynicism. Secularism cannot be a religion, and it cannot be militant. Secularism is infinite toleration of different ideologies.

But you do seem to agree that religion does not require a belief in gods - is that correct, or have you been fooled by popular authors rhetoric???

From the Amazon review of Godless, by Coulter…


Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes of a religion. In Godless, Coulter throws open the doors of the Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its churches (government schools, where prayer is prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an inconsequential accident).

I have not read the book, "Godless," but don't you think it is kind of discrediting, or pejorative, to religion, if someone describes a religion as to have some very profane aspects.

Your definition of religion is it to be something good - right???

So, why do you approve of this description and offer it as an argument???


This looks like a lot of unaccredited quotations - it does not seem to be from the review of "Godless." Would you like for me to offer arguments to all of this???

Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened from the benighted.
And....Franklin Delano Roosevelt, "...the Socialist Savior of the Democratic Party."

the Catechism: you didn't build that.....any success is just dumb luck

Sen. Mazie Hirono (D., Hawaii) on Tuesday called for liberal activists to believe in climate change as if it were a "religion." Dem Senator Hirono: Believe in Climate Change Like a Religion

2. And the equally brilliant Ben Shapiro runs with "its sacraments (abortion)"....

"When Abortion Becomes a Sacrament

3. ...alleged comedian Michelle Wolf paid tribute to the most important facet of American life: abortion. On her Netflix show on Sunday, Wolf dressed up in red, white and blue, and shrieked into the camera, "God bless abortions, and God bless America!" She explained: "Women, if you need an abortion, get one! If you want an abortion, get one! ...

4. ...a ground shift has taken place in how Democrats think about abortion. Back in 2005, I wrote that the Democratic "safe, legal and rare" formulation regarding abortion was logically and morally untenable: If Democrats wanted abortion to be rare thanks to its inherent immorality, there was no reason for it to be legal. Democrats have finally come around: They're now "shouting" their abortions, proclaiming them from the rooftops, suggesting that there is a moral good achieved by abortion.

5. ...Lena Dunham said just two years ago, "I still haven't had an abortion, but I wish I had." Thus, Chelsea Handler, who has had two abortions, explained in the pages of Playboy, "I don't ever look back and think, 'God, I wish I'd had that baby.'" Her article was accompanied by a picture of a woman's hand with a raised middle finger with a pink bow around it; attached to the bow is a small card that reads, "It's an abortion!"

6. Gloria Steinem once remarked, "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament." But modern-day feminists have determined that abortion isa sacrament specifically because women can get pregnant: Showing that control over your body even extends to the killing of your unborn child is a way of standing up against patriarchal concerns with Wwomen as the source of future generations.

7. ...abortion isn't just another decision. It's a giant middle finger to the moral establishment. And those who would fight abortion are desacralizing the mysterious holiness of a ritual that reinforces women's control. No wonder Wolf thinks God blesses abortion; abortion is her god."
When Abortion Becomes A Sacrament

8. “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.” Whittaker Chambers, Witness

"I do now (sic) owe you anything like an apology."

English is my second language.

Do you have a first one?

 

[$ecular#eckler]

"I do now (sic) owe you anything like an apology."
English is my second language.
Do you have a first one?

I'm a complete idiot. Please put me on your Ignore list.

 

[BreezeWood]

"I do now (sic) owe you anything like an apology."
English is my second language.
Do you have a first one?

I'm a complete idiot. Please put me on your Ignore list.

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You are wrong. I am an atheist-libertarian that leans conservative, and I always vote for Republicans.

Please put me on your Ignore list.

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seems you two were made for eachother - oh, ones an atheist and the other is a forgery ...

 

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In late 2002 I joined my first internet discussion forum - Atheist Network. I am an atheist. It did not take long until I engaged in a discussion about the definitions of atheism and religion. And, it did not take long after that that I was banned for my insistence that the definition, "belief and worship of the supernatural (or god)," is an incorrect definition for religion, because it merely reinforces theism. There is not enough difference between belief and worship to justify the conjunction to differentiate religion from theism, when theism is defined as belief in god. Belief is the minimal form of worship; and a person cannot worship anything if they do not believe it to be worthy of guarding.

This and several other my semantic arguments have been presented at various atheist forums ever since then, and I have been banned from most of them; and most of the atheist forums have dissolved, because of lack of interest and funding from the members.

Anyway, I periodically review the definitions on the popular websites.

Definition of religion | Dictionary.com

Definition of religion from Dictionary.com, the world’s leading online source for English definitions, pronunciations, word origins, idioms, Word of the Day, and more.

www.dictionary.com

noun

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

Definition of RELIGION

a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices; the service and worship of God or the supernatural; commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

1a: the state of a religious
a nun in her 20th year of religion
b(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

3archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS

4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

Eventually, they will get it right.

Religion is the practice of exercises that maintains a person's dignity.

When I want to make a deep dive into something I usually go to Webster 1828 as a starting point.

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Religion

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Religion

webstersdictionary1828.com

RELIGION, noun relij'on. [Latin religio, from religo, to bind anew; re and ligo, to bind. This word seems originally to have signified an oath or vow to the gods, or the obligation of such an oath or vow, which was held very sacred by the Romans.]

1. religion in its most comprehensive sense, includes a belief in the being and perfections of God, in the revelation of his will to man, in man's obligation to obey his commands, in a state of reward and punishment, and in man's accountableness to God; and also true godliness or piety of life, with the practice of all moral duties. It therefore comprehends theology, as a system of doctrines or principles, as well as practical piety; for the practice of moral duties without a belief in a divine lawgiver, and without reference to his will or commands, is not religion

2. religion as distinct from theology, is godliness or real piety in practice, consisting in the performance of all known duties to God and our fellow men, in obedience to divine command, or from love to God and his law. James 1:26.

3. religion as distinct from virtue, or morality, consists in the performance of the duties we owe directly to God, from a principle of obedience to his will. Hence we often speak of religion and virtue, as different branches of one system, or the duties of the first and second tables of the law.

Let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion

4. Any system of faith and worship. In this sense, religion comprehends the belief and worship of pagans and Mohammedans, as well as of christians; any religion consisting in the belief of a superior power or powers governing the world, and in the worship of such power or powers. Thus we speak of the religion of the Turks, of the Hindoos, of the Indians, etc. as well as of the christian religion We speak of false religion as well as of true religion

5. The rites of religion; in the plural.

FWIW I like your definition.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Definition of Religion is Changing
⁜→ Prof.Lunaphiles, et al,

Definist

The Definist Fallacy occurs when someone unfairly defines a term so that a controversial position is made easier to defend. Same as the Persuasive Definition.
SOURCE:

IEP Fallacies

"belief and worship of the supernatural (or god)," is an incorrect definition for religion, because it merely reinforces theism."

BLUF: Many arguments, especially in the realm of theology, are artificially extended because of the logic and definitions used. Let's see if we can agree: That science can neither prove nor disprove the existence of any supernatural entity or deity. In effect, science has no debate or argument on the issue.

(COMMENT)

If one were to look up the word "religion" in Webster's Dictionary for Students • Special Encyclopedic Edition, one sees almost the exact definition for which our friend "Prof.Lunaphiles" takes issue with → in Posting #1.

religion n​

1 : the service and worship of God or the supernatural​

2 : a system of religious beliefs and practices​

Is it really necessary to change that definition? Notice that it makes a relationship to the "supernatural."

supernatural adj​

◈ of or relating to something beyond or outside of nature or the visible universe.​

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There is little question but that Religion, especially the Abrahamic Religions, are by definition a belief in the supernatural (beyond or outside of nature or the visible universe). Many Christian Services practice "Alchemy" (the transmutation of water into wine or the bread into the body of Christ), and many of the Abrahamic Religions believe in "magic" (miracles) and the "spirits entities" (both angelic and demonic).

(QUESTION)

I need clarification as to the need for a change in the definition. What purpose does it serve?


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[$ecular#eckler]

(QUESTION)

I need clarification as to the need for a change in the definition. What purpose does it serve?

The definition that I have deliberated provides for the Christians' argument that atheists do have religion. Although, atheism and humanism are not religions, just as theism is not a religion; atheists and humanists guard concepts concerning aspects of reality, just as diligently as theists. This guarding of concepts is how organized religions originate.

Furthermore, what do we call the practice of exercises that we do to maintain our sense of dignity? Most people want to impress others and join in community; and that is corollary to dignity - worthy of respect. Organized religions prescribe the exercises for their membership.

Religion is the practice of exercises that maintains a person's dignity.

 

[.oldschool]

With Obama's signature, U.S. religious freedom law now protects atheists

For the first time, U.S. law explicitly protects 'non-theistic beliefs and the right not to profess or practice any religion.'

www.nbcnews.com

 

[BreezeWood]

(QUESTION)

I need clarification as to the need for a change in the definition. What purpose does it serve?

The definition that I have deliberated provides for the Christians' argument that atheists do have religion. Although, atheism and humanism are not religions, just as theism is not a religion; atheists and humanists guard concepts concerning aspects of reality, just as diligently as theists. This guarding of concepts is how organized religions originate.

Furthermore, what do we call the practice of exercises that we do to maintain our sense of dignity? Most people want to impress others and join in community; and that is corollary to dignity - worthy of respect. Organized religions prescribe the exercises for their membership.

Religion is the practice of exercises that maintains a person's dignity.

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Religion is the practice of exercises that maintains a person's dignity.

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may also include a spiritual extension beyond the physiological expiration that occurs for each individual being, beginning from their origin before their physical birth.

metaphysical may someday be known through science.

atheism also denies a spiritual content. or is that dignity. and a dead end.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Religion is the practice of exercises that maintains a person's dignity.

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may also include a spiritual extension beyond the physiological expiration that occurs for each individual being, beginning from their origin before their physical birth.

metaphysical may someday be known through science.

atheism also denies a spiritual content. or is that dignity. and a dead end.

Both (countering) ideas are a part of dignity. For theists, believing in "spiritual content" is necessary for respect among other theists; and for atheists, rejecting the concept of "spiritual content" is necessary for respect among other atheists.

 

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(QUESTION)

I need clarification as to the need for a change in the definition. What purpose does it serve?

The definition that I have deliberated provides for the Christians' argument that atheists do have religion. Although, atheism and humanism are not religions, just as theism is not a religion; atheists and humanists guard concepts concerning aspects of reality, just as diligently as theists. This guarding of concepts is how organized religions originate.

Furthermore, what do we call the practice of exercises that we do to maintain our sense of dignity? Most people want to impress others and join in community; and that is corollary to dignity - worthy of respect. Organized religions prescribe the exercises for their membership.

Religion is the practice of exercises that maintains a person's dignity.

I wouldn't say atheists have a religion. I would say that some atheists behave as if they have a religion. Both the good and the bad aspects of a religion.