The equal pay for women debate is Washington BS!

[SwimExpert]

I never interviewed for a 9.25/hr job

One day, you'll go on your first job interview and finally get to join the real world with us adults. Until then, you still have alot to learn if you don't want to be eaten alive.

In the real world employees make multiple applications and take the best job they have available to them.

Bullshit. If you really think that money is the sole determiner in choosing which offer to accept, then you really are in middle school. AND an idiot.

First of all, job seekers do not often have multiple job offers available at the same time. Most job seekers are employed individuals who are seeking alternatives, and may be seeking employment for a lengthy period of time. This requires the job seeker (assuming they are smart) to ultimately make a judgement call to evaluate what they think their chances are of getting a "better" offer if they continue their search, and to evaluate the value of an offer against their desire to leave their current position.

Second, if a job seeker is fortunate enough to have multiple job offers, there are many things that should be considered in weighing and comparing the offers. You seem to think that the "best" offer is the one that offers the most money. That is false. A job seeker needs to consider how the position will contribute to their long term goals, their interest in the specific company, the nature of the work that would be done in each offered position, and a variety of other intangible elements. If relocation would be required, the savvy job seeker needs to take into account the differences in the cost of living and their willingness to live in the area. All this, on top of evaluating the more tangible components of the offer (base pay, bonus potential, paid time off, benefits, scheduling flexibility, option to work from home, etc).

A lower starting pay could be an acceptable tradeoff for some people if there are substantial opportunities for professional development. The ability to work from home could be more valuable than a position that would require taking the time and expense to travel to the office every day.

They also try to negotiate with the employer for wages and benefits, etc and do so over the course of their employment. Not coincidentally that is also the market price for their services. I.E. people are getting paid what they are worth.

False. People should negotiate. But nowadays most people don't. And that is exactly my point. People don't get what they are "worth." They get what they settle for. No employer is going to simply offer up your "market value" from the onset. They're going to give you a low offer, hoping to buy you at the lowest price they can get away with. Even in an odd case of an employer offering you their estimation of your "market value" up front, who is to say that they are right? It's very possible for a job seeker to convince an employer that they are worth more than the employer's initially determined value of the candidate.

In the end, it's not about what the employer thinks you're worth. It's about what you're willing to settle for, and your ability to make your own case.

 

[The Rabbi]

I never interviewed for a 9.25/hr job

One day, you'll go on your first job interview and finally get to join the real world with us adults. Until then, you still have alot to learn if you don't want to be eaten alive.

In the real world employees make multiple applications and take the best job they have available to them.

Bullshit. If you really think that money is the sole determiner in choosing which offer to accept, then you really are in middle school. AND an idiot.

First of all, job seekers do not often have multiple job offers available at the same time. Most job seekers are employed individuals who are seeking alternatives, and may be seeking employment for a lengthy period of time. This requires the job seeker (assuming they are smart) to ultimately make a judgement call to evaluate what they think their chances are of getting a "better" offer if they continue their search, and to evaluate the value of an offer against their desire to leave their current position.

Second, if a job seeker is fortunate enough to have multiple job offers, there are many things that should be considered in weighing and comparing the offers. You seem to think that the "best" offer is the one that offers the most money. That is false. A job seeker needs to consider how the position will contribute to their long term goals, their interest in the specific company, the nature of the work that would be done in each offered position, and a variety of other intangible elements. If relocation would be required, the savvy job seeker needs to take into account the differences in the cost of living and their willingness to live in the area. All this, on top of evaluating the more tangible components of the offer (base pay, bonus potential, paid time off, benefits, scheduling flexibility, option to work from home, etc).

A lower starting pay could be an acceptable tradeoff for some people if there are substantial opportunities for professional development. The ability to work from home could be more valuable than a position that would require taking the time and expense to travel to the office every day.

They also try to negotiate with the employer for wages and benefits, etc and do so over the course of their employment. Not coincidentally that is also the market price for their services. I.E. people are getting paid what they are worth.

False. People should negotiate. But nowadays most people don't. And that is exactly my point. People don't get what they are "worth." They get what they settle for. No employer is going to simply offer up your "market value" from the onset. They're going to give you a low offer, hoping to buy you at the lowest price they can get away with. Even in an odd case of an employer offering you their estimation of your "market value" up front, who is to say that they are right? It's very possible for a job seeker to convince an employer that they are worth more than the employer's initially determined value of the candidate.

In the end, it's not about what the employer thinks you're worth. It's about what you're willing to settle for, and your ability to make your own case.

Wow I guess getting that first part time job at the sandwich shop last week now makes you an expert in employment practices.
But nice to see you agreeing with me.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The whole pay gap thing is a myth that has been debunked

Sexual Assault Wage Gap and More Feminist Myths that Will Not Die

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html

 

[SwimExpert]

what a bunch of nonsense. you have to have had bargaining power in order to obtain agreement. if you have a man and a woman doing the same job they should be paid the same.

no matter how it offends rightwingnut male egos.

Jillian, you are an intelligent woman, and I would surmise that you are good at your job. Do you really mean to tell me that you don't have bargaining power, at all? I'll see if I can dig up the sources again, but the numbers are something like this....approximately 85% of hiring managers expect a candidate to attempt to negotiate a job offer, but only 20% of people always negotiate, and only about 50% of people negotiate occasionally. For a hiring manager to withdraw a job offer simply because the candidate attempts to negotiate is nearly a nonexistent phenomenon.

Let me give you some free tips.

1 - If you are being offered a job, you have bargaining power. They like you. They picked you. There's a reason they've picked you. The fact that they picked you is your 1st piece of bargaining power.

2 - One really great way to add bargaining power is to get them chasing you before they give you a job offer. If you get four or five days (or possibly a bit longer depending on the job you're applying for and the overall pace of the interview process) have gone by and you haven't gotten an offer, send and email that says "I'm still interested in the position and would like to consider any offer from your company before I respond to other pending offers." If they have already decided to give you an offer but just haven't contacted you yet, that is instant bargaining power. If they're 85% on you, it can actually tilt the scales to get them to pull the trigger and make an offer.

You're right that people need bargaining power, but what many people don't realize is that they have more bargaining power than they realize.

 

[SwimExpert]

Sure, but I was talking about a secondary earner, in response to pingy. If you both have 10 years experience, but one is married, should that make a difference? Of course not. Pingy thinks it does.

A difference to whom, is the question. I've described the phenomenon before. Two earner households tend to decrease pressure to maximize income, and leads to wage apathy. This results in applicants settling for lower starting salaries and being less assertive in requesting raises.

nice made up concept. and also a bunch of BS. you can describe it til your face turns blue. it doesn't make it any less absurd.

It's not a made up concept, it's a hypothesis, based on logic and human nature. I described it at length in a thread I had a while back. Just because you disagree doesn't make it absurd. Especially if you haven't even heard my arguments supporting it.

 

[jillian]

what a bunch of nonsense. you have to have had bargaining power in order to obtain agreement. if you have a man and a woman doing the same job they should be paid the same.

no matter how it offends rightwingnut male egos.

Jillian, you are an intelligent woman, and I would surmise that you are good at your job. Do you really mean to tell me that you don't have bargaining power, at all? I'll see if I can dig up the sources again, but the numbers are something like this....approximately 85% of hiring managers expect a candidate to attempt to negotiate a job offer, but only 20% of people always negotiate, and only about 50% of people negotiate occasionally. For a hiring manager to withdraw a job offer simply because the candidate attempts to negotiate is nearly a nonexistent phenomenon.

Let me give you some free tips.

1 - If you are being offered a job, you have bargaining power. They like you. They picked you. There's a reason they've picked you. The fact that they picked you is your 1st piece of bargaining power.

2 - One really great way to add bargaining power is to get them chasing you before they give you a job offer. If you get four or five days (or possibly a bit longer depending on the job you're applying for and the overall pace of the interview process) have gone by and you haven't gotten an offer, send and email that says "I'm still interested in the position and would like to consider any offer from your company before I respond to other pending offers." If they have already decided to give you an offer but just haven't contacted you yet, that is instant bargaining power. If they're 85% on you, it can actually tilt the scales to get them to pull the trigger and make an offer.

You're right that people need bargaining power, but what many people don't realize is that they have more bargaining power than they realize.

i have zero bargaining power. the position for which i was hired has a set salary. so i am NOT one of the women making 70 or so cents on the dollar. You first have to know what the men are making to bargain for it. But men don't HAVE to bargain for it. In Lily Ledbetter v Goodyear, Ledbetter had worked for a long time at the company and was training men who she later found out were being paid more than she was. The fact that the court perverted the existing law and skewed the statute of limitations is why she wasn't able to recover her lost wages, not a lack of effort.

while i appreciate how you're viewing it, it's wrong-minded because it isn't based in any reality.

again, same pay for same job regardless of sex.

 

[The Rabbi]

what a bunch of nonsense. you have to have had bargaining power in order to obtain agreement. if you have a man and a woman doing the same job they should be paid the same.

no matter how it offends rightwingnut male egos.

Jillian, you are an intelligent woman, and I would surmise that you are good at your job. Do you really mean to tell me that you don't have bargaining power, at all? I'll see if I can dig up the sources again, but the numbers are something like this....approximately 85% of hiring managers expect a candidate to attempt to negotiate a job offer, but only 20% of people always negotiate, and only about 50% of people negotiate occasionally. For a hiring manager to withdraw a job offer simply because the candidate attempts to negotiate is nearly a nonexistent phenomenon.

Let me give you some free tips.

1 - If you are being offered a job, you have bargaining power. They like you. They picked you. There's a reason they've picked you. The fact that they picked you is your 1st piece of bargaining power.

2 - One really great way to add bargaining power is to get them chasing you before they give you a job offer. If you get four or five days (or possibly a bit longer depending on the job you're applying for and the overall pace of the interview process) have gone by and you haven't gotten an offer, send and email that says "I'm still interested in the position and would like to consider any offer from your company before I respond to other pending offers." If they have already decided to give you an offer but just haven't contacted you yet, that is instant bargaining power. If they're 85% on you, it can actually tilt the scales to get them to pull the trigger and make an offer.

You're right that people need bargaining power, but what many people don't realize is that they have more bargaining power than they realize.

i have zero bargaining power. the position for which i was hired has a set salary. so i am NOT one of the women making 70 or so cents on the dollar. You first have to know what the men are making to bargain for it. But men don't HAVE to bargain for it. In Lily Ledbetter v Goodyear, Ledbetter had worked for a long time at the company and was training men who she later found out were being paid more than she was. The fact that the court perverted the existing law and skewed the statute of limitations is why she wasn't able to recover her lost wages, not a lack of effort.

while i appreciate how you're viewing it, it's wrong-minded because it isn't based in any reality.

again, same pay for same job regardless of sex.

The court applied the law correctly and ruled the statute of limitations had run. That's why Congress passed a fix.
But you would have known that had you been a lawyer and not a poseur, "counselor".

 

[SwimExpert]

i have zero bargaining power. the position for which i was hired has a set salary. so i am NOT one of the women making 70 or so cents on the dollar.

Glad to hear it's working out for you. But I wonder, do you really have no room at all? Are pay raises really set in stone? Are you obligated to continue working for your employer? If you wanted more money than your employer is willing to offer don't you have the option to seek new options?

You first have to know what the men are making to bargain for it. But men don't HAVE to bargain for it.

This is where you are incorrect. Other than identifying the market range for your position, negotiating compensation has nothing to do with anyone except you. If you're negotiating to get pay equal to someone else in the company, then you're doing it wrong. You should be negotiating to get the best compensation you can extract from the employer, based on what you have to offer.

Think about this....if you worked for me and we agreed to $50k a year, but then you found out that Bob is making $5k less for the same job, would you come ask me for a pay cut? Your focus should not be on other individuals you work with. It should be on evaluating your appropriate place in the market range, and finding ways to effectively demonstrate it to the employer.

In Lily Ledbetter v Goodyear, Ledbetter had worked for a long time at the company and was training men who she later found out were being paid more than she was. The fact that the court perverted the existing law and skewed the statute of limitations is why she wasn't able to recover her lost wages, not a lack of effort.

while i appreciate how you're viewing it, it's wrong-minded because it isn't based in any reality.

again, same pay for same job regardless of sex.

Sorry, but it is based in reality. Just six weeks ago I was able to negotiate a job offer to increase my base pay by 12% from what they initially offered me. Do you think they agreed because I'm a man, or because they want my talents enough to pay extra?

 

[danielpalos]

what a bunch of nonsense. you have to have had bargaining power in order to obtain agreement. if you have a man and a woman doing the same job they should be paid the same.

no matter how it offends rightwingnut male egos.

Jillian, you are an intelligent woman, and I would surmise that you are good at your job. Do you really mean to tell me that you don't have bargaining power, at all? I'll see if I can dig up the sources again, but the numbers are something like this....approximately 85% of hiring managers expect a candidate to attempt to negotiate a job offer, but only 20% of people always negotiate, and only about 50% of people negotiate occasionally. For a hiring manager to withdraw a job offer simply because the candidate attempts to negotiate is nearly a nonexistent phenomenon.

Let me give you some free tips.

1 - If you are being offered a job, you have bargaining power. They like you. They picked you. There's a reason they've picked you. The fact that they picked you is your 1st piece of bargaining power.

2 - One really great way to add bargaining power is to get them chasing you before they give you a job offer. If you get four or five days (or possibly a bit longer depending on the job you're applying for and the overall pace of the interview process) have gone by and you haven't gotten an offer, send and email that says "I'm still interested in the position and would like to consider any offer from your company before I respond to other pending offers." If they have already decided to give you an offer but just haven't contacted you yet, that is instant bargaining power. If they're 85% on you, it can actually tilt the scales to get them to pull the trigger and make an offer.

You're right that people need bargaining power, but what many people don't realize is that they have more bargaining power than they realize.

i have zero bargaining power. the position for which i was hired has a set salary. so i am NOT one of the women making 70 or so cents on the dollar. You first have to know what the men are making to bargain for it. But men don't HAVE to bargain for it. In Lily Ledbetter v Goodyear, Ledbetter had worked for a long time at the company and was training men who she later found out were being paid more than she was. The fact that the court perverted the existing law and skewed the statute of limitations is why she wasn't able to recover her lost wages, not a lack of effort.

while i appreciate how you're viewing it, it's wrong-minded because it isn't based in any reality.

again, same pay for same job regardless of sex.

how well does that work for guys in the porn sector?

 

[Faun]

There's nothing to debate.

Equal pay for equal work, across the board, for everyone.

That isn't the argument. The argument is that people complaining about a pay gap are using fudged numbers, either making broad categories that cover work that is not equal in skill or required training, or not accounting for experience and time in trade.

There is still a gap...

Women Can't Get Equal Pay in Finance No Matter What They Do

Women have yet to close the wage gap, even when they have similar jobs to their male counterparts. That's especially true on Wall Street. Last year, women who graduated from business school and took jobs in financial services earned an average of $21,872 less than male MBAs, according to data collected by Bloomberg Business. Drilling down into the numbers shows part of that discrepancy is explained by differences in the type of finance companies that hired women, but a gap persisted even when women worked in similar sub-sectors of finance as men.​

There's a gap between what hedge fund managers and floor sweepers make. How do you propose to close it?

You know your post has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted, right?

 

[Faun]

There is still a gap...

Women Can't Get Equal Pay in Finance No Matter What They Do

Women have yet to close the wage gap, even when they have similar jobs to their male counterparts. That's especially true on Wall Street. Last year, women who graduated from business school and took jobs in financial services earned an average of $21,872 less than male MBAs, according to data collected by Bloomberg Business. Drilling down into the numbers shows part of that discrepancy is explained by differences in the type of finance companies that hired women, but a gap persisted even when women worked in similar sub-sectors of finance as men.​

Why are women settling for lower pay?

That presumes women know what others are making when they accept a job. I don't believe that's typically the case. People, especially new hires, aren't privy to what their peers earn.

 

[pinqy]

What the hell? Who in the hell doesn't want or need equal pay? What difference does being a secondary earner make?

That is a ridiculous argument. No one should be satisfied with lower pay for the same work.

So, if me and a coworker do the same job, but my coworker has 10 years experience and I just started last week, I should expect equal pay?

Sure, but I was talking about a secondary earner, in response to pingy. If you both have 10 years experience, but one is married, should that make a difference? Of course not. Pingy thinks it does.

You don't think it makes a difference? You don't think a secondary earner will often ask for less than a primary earner?

You don't think that someone who is working only to pay for non-essentials is willing to work for less than someone who pays all the bills?

I've explained my argument, why haven't you explained yours? All you've done is deny a nd make assertions

 

[SwimExpert]

That presumes women know what others are making when they accept a job.

Not really, but your reply hints at the answer.

I don't believe that's typically the case. People, especially new hires, aren't privy to what their peers earn.

Do you research the current market pay range for a job when you apply?

 

[Skull Pilot]

what a bunch of nonsense. you have to have had bargaining power in order to obtain agreement. if you have a man and a woman doing the same job they should be paid the same.

no matter how it offends rightwingnut male egos.

Jillian, you are an intelligent woman, and I would surmise that you are good at your job. Do you really mean to tell me that you don't have bargaining power, at all? I'll see if I can dig up the sources again, but the numbers are something like this....approximately 85% of hiring managers expect a candidate to attempt to negotiate a job offer, but only 20% of people always negotiate, and only about 50% of people negotiate occasionally. For a hiring manager to withdraw a job offer simply because the candidate attempts to negotiate is nearly a nonexistent phenomenon.

Let me give you some free tips.

1 - If you are being offered a job, you have bargaining power. They like you. They picked you. There's a reason they've picked you. The fact that they picked you is your 1st piece of bargaining power.

2 - One really great way to add bargaining power is to get them chasing you before they give you a job offer. If you get four or five days (or possibly a bit longer depending on the job you're applying for and the overall pace of the interview process) have gone by and you haven't gotten an offer, send and email that says "I'm still interested in the position and would like to consider any offer from your company before I respond to other pending offers." If they have already decided to give you an offer but just haven't contacted you yet, that is instant bargaining power. If they're 85% on you, it can actually tilt the scales to get them to pull the trigger and make an offer.

You're right that people need bargaining power, but what many people don't realize is that they have more bargaining power than they realize.

i have zero bargaining power. the position for which i was hired has a set salary. so i am NOT one of the women making 70 or so cents on the dollar. You first have to know what the men are making to bargain for it. But men don't HAVE to bargain for it. In Lily Ledbetter v Goodyear, Ledbetter had worked for a long time at the company and was training men who she later found out were being paid more than she was. The fact that the court perverted the existing law and skewed the statute of limitations is why she wasn't able to recover her lost wages, not a lack of effort.

while i appreciate how you're viewing it, it's wrong-minded because it isn't based in any reality.

again, same pay for same job regardless of sex.

and when you compare apples to apples the so called pay gap all but disappears

 

[jillian]

Equal pay for EQUAL WORK.....

If your experience makes you more valuable....then you get paid more..... but new women truck drivers should not be paid less than New men truck drivers with no experience....just because they are female.

Have we seen recent evidence of this occurring? I can't be in union jobs because all those records are easily scrutinized. All of the hoopla being brought to this argument is based on studies, as I stated above, with serious flaws in methodology.

White rightwing men keep saying there are serious flaws in methodology or those problems are illusory. Yet all evidence is that women make 77 cents for every dollar men make. But no doubt white male conclusively assertions salve their consciences and egos.

 

[jillian]

what a bunch of nonsense. you have to have had bargaining power in order to obtain agreement. if you have a man and a woman doing the same job they should be paid the same.

no matter how it offends rightwingnut male egos.

Jillian, you are an intelligent woman, and I would surmise that you are good at your job. Do you really mean to tell me that you don't have bargaining power, at all? I'll see if I can dig up the sources again, but the numbers are something like this....approximately 85% of hiring managers expect a candidate to attempt to negotiate a job offer, but only 20% of people always negotiate, and only about 50% of people negotiate occasionally. For a hiring manager to withdraw a job offer simply because the candidate attempts to negotiate is nearly a nonexistent phenomenon.

Let me give you some free tips.

1 - If you are being offered a job, you have bargaining power. They like you. They picked you. There's a reason they've picked you. The fact that they picked you is your 1st piece of bargaining power.

2 - One really great way to add bargaining power is to get them chasing you before they give you a job offer. If you get four or five days (or possibly a bit longer depending on the job you're applying for and the overall pace of the interview process) have gone by and you haven't gotten an offer, send and email that says "I'm still interested in the position and would like to consider any offer from your company before I respond to other pending offers." If they have already decided to give you an offer but just haven't contacted you yet, that is instant bargaining power. If they're 85% on you, it can actually tilt the scales to get them to pull the trigger and make an offer.

You're right that people need bargaining power, but what many people don't realize is that they have more bargaining power than they realize.

i have zero bargaining power. the position for which i was hired has a set salary. so i am NOT one of the women making 70 or so cents on the dollar. You first have to know what the men are making to bargain for it. But men don't HAVE to bargain for it. In Lily Ledbetter v Goodyear, Ledbetter had worked for a long time at the company and was training men who she later found out were being paid more than she was. The fact that the court perverted the existing law and skewed the statute of limitations is why she wasn't able to recover her lost wages, not a lack of effort.

while i appreciate how you're viewing it, it's wrong-minded because it isn't based in any reality.

again, same pay for same job regardless of sex.

and when you compare apples to apples the so called pay gap all but disappears

Blah blah blah

 

[pinqy]

White rightwing men keep saying there are serious flaws in methodology or those problems are illusory. Yet all evidence is that women make 77 cents for every dollar men make.

Cite your evidence , then. The most recent data I'm seeing is closer to 82 cents.

And what do you think that number means? Do you think that any pay gasp is proof of discrimination? Do you think a pay gap based on disparate education, hours worked, occupation, experience, etc is still discrimination?

 

[Skull Pilot]

what a bunch of nonsense. you have to have had bargaining power in order to obtain agreement. if you have a man and a woman doing the same job they should be paid the same.

no matter how it offends rightwingnut male egos.

Jillian, you are an intelligent woman, and I would surmise that you are good at your job. Do you really mean to tell me that you don't have bargaining power, at all? I'll see if I can dig up the sources again, but the numbers are something like this....approximately 85% of hiring managers expect a candidate to attempt to negotiate a job offer, but only 20% of people always negotiate, and only about 50% of people negotiate occasionally. For a hiring manager to withdraw a job offer simply because the candidate attempts to negotiate is nearly a nonexistent phenomenon.

Let me give you some free tips.

1 - If you are being offered a job, you have bargaining power. They like you. They picked you. There's a reason they've picked you. The fact that they picked you is your 1st piece of bargaining power.

2 - One really great way to add bargaining power is to get them chasing you before they give you a job offer. If you get four or five days (or possibly a bit longer depending on the job you're applying for and the overall pace of the interview process) have gone by and you haven't gotten an offer, send and email that says "I'm still interested in the position and would like to consider any offer from your company before I respond to other pending offers." If they have already decided to give you an offer but just haven't contacted you yet, that is instant bargaining power. If they're 85% on you, it can actually tilt the scales to get them to pull the trigger and make an offer.

You're right that people need bargaining power, but what many people don't realize is that they have more bargaining power than they realize.

i have zero bargaining power. the position for which i was hired has a set salary. so i am NOT one of the women making 70 or so cents on the dollar. You first have to know what the men are making to bargain for it. But men don't HAVE to bargain for it. In Lily Ledbetter v Goodyear, Ledbetter had worked for a long time at the company and was training men who she later found out were being paid more than she was. The fact that the court perverted the existing law and skewed the statute of limitations is why she wasn't able to recover her lost wages, not a lack of effort.

while i appreciate how you're viewing it, it's wrong-minded because it isn't based in any reality.

again, same pay for same job regardless of sex.

and when you compare apples to apples the so called pay gap all but disappears

Blah blah blah

It's been proven so ignore the facts as long as it suits your partisan pigeonhole intellect

 

[martybegan]

There's nothing to debate.

Equal pay for equal work, across the board, for everyone.

That isn't the argument. The argument is that people complaining about a pay gap are using fudged numbers, either making broad categories that cover work that is not equal in skill or required training, or not accounting for experience and time in trade.

There is still a gap...

Women Can't Get Equal Pay in Finance No Matter What They Do

Women have yet to close the wage gap, even when they have similar jobs to their male counterparts. That's especially true on Wall Street. Last year, women who graduated from business school and took jobs in financial services earned an average of $21,872 less than male MBAs, according to data collected by Bloomberg Business. Drilling down into the numbers shows part of that discrepancy is explained by differences in the type of finance companies that hired women, but a gap persisted even when women worked in similar sub-sectors of finance as men.​

MBA"s are a poor qualitative comparison because the MBA is usually gotten by people of varying previous experience and backgrounds. So even if people graduated the same year with an MBA, they may get paid very differently based on their initial degree, and work experience prior to getting an MBA.

 

[martybegan]

Equal pay for EQUAL WORK.....

If your experience makes you more valuable....then you get paid more..... but new women truck drivers should not be paid less than New men truck drivers with no experience....just because they are female.

Have we seen recent evidence of this occurring? I can't be in union jobs because all those records are easily scrutinized. All of the hoopla being brought to this argument is based on studies, as I stated above, with serious flaws in methodology.

White rightwing men keep saying there are serious flaws in methodology or those problems are illusory. Yet all evidence is that women make 77 cents for every dollar men make. But no doubt white male conclusively assertions salve their consciences and egos.

Your "evidence" is a broad based study that does lumps far too many different actual jobs into broad categories that render any actual comparison meaningless.