Hutch Starskey
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Lincoln was a pragmatist. He knew he had no power to end slavery. Best he could do is stop its expansionHe only opposed extending slavery to new states. he did not oppose slavery. He even stated he would sign an amendment that would enshrine slavery into the Constitution if that would keep the Southern states from seceding.If one looks at Lincoln’s position on slavery throughout his career he repeatedly opposed slavery. AWhatever the Confederacy's stated reasons, Lincoln did not invade Virginia to free the slaves. He didn't give a damn about the slaves.Of course I doYea, yea
Except that's not the Confederate flag.
Pssst.... STILL WAITING for you to address Rick Wilson's cooler.
Confederate Battle Flag
It is now the symbol of the confederacy and a symbol of racism
You don't get to decide that. I consider it a symbol of harmless regional pride and you to be a race baiting asshole.
Your flag is a symbol of hatred of the United States or a symbol of hatred of blacks
Nope. It's a harmless symbol of regional pride and you are a faggot.
OK Regional pride in what?
That they hated the US so much that they fought against us
That they used to own slaves?
The culture. THe history. The brave fight against great odds. Ect.
What part of this is confusing to you?
THat is a rhetorical question. I know you are just a race baiting troll asshole who is just here to be an asshole and troll.It's not confusing in any way. In fact, it couldn't be more clear.The culture. THe history. The brave fight against great odds. Ect.
What part of this is confusing to you?
The culture of white supremacy.
The history of brutal slavery.
The brave fight to preserve their racial supremacy and expand brutal slavery to further their economic windfall from it.
Either you are confused or sympathetic.
You don't get to define what other people care about. You do get to try and reveal yourself to be a dishonest asshole.I'm not defining anything. That's what the confederacy said they were all sbout.don't get to define what other people care about. You do get to try and reveal yourself to be a dishonest asshole.
Sorry if you believed otherwise. Rubes seem to abound in the south.
The government is not the nation. The policies of the government are not the nation. Trump runs this country. Yet, Hollywood is a very different and distinct community and culture within it.
A future statue could celebrate this time period's Hollywood and not be a celebration of our government or Trump's policies.
This is a simple point. YOur pretense that you are too stupid to understand it, is not credible.
Why are you working so hard to pretend to be so stupid?
Because it gives you an excuse for your bullying behavior.Not my pretense. The clearly stated reasons the confederacy gave for their actions, dope.This is a simple point. YOur pretense that you are too stupid to understand it, is not credible
Why would you choose to venerate the men who exploited the average white southern farmer to fight their war without telling them why?
Sounds like they were treated no better than negros.
His position was so extreme that the south chose secession rather than live under Lincolns rule
You simply don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Your understanding of history is all leftwing myths.
The South overreacted to Lincoln’s election and secession resulted in the end of slavery in four years rather than in decades
They were thinking long term and were desperate. They did not want to live under a government that was actively hostile to them and their interests.Exactly. What interests were those, dope?They were thinking long term and were desperate. They did not want to live under a government that was actively hostile to them and their interests.
Why? YOu think that the emotional impact of saying it, is the only way for you to score a point because your argument is so stupid that it can't stand up to any actual thought?
My point stands. Lincoln was deeply hostile to them, and had a real plan to use the power of the Federal Government against them.
So they left. Or tried to and LIncoln conquered them. A lot of their people fought to defend their homelands.
That their descendants put up some statues in memory of their service, is pretty normal.
That you are butthurt about it, is not.
YOu are the bad guy. NOt the people that have some regional pride in their heritage. YOu are for wanting to attack them and it.Why? Because that's been my point all along. I just had to run your ass in circles until you realized I was correct.Why? YOu think that the emotional impact of saying it, is the only way for you to score a point because your argument is so stupid that it can't stand up to any actual thought?
Now that you've admitted it, why would you wish to continue to venerate the men who fought against their own nation with troops ignorant of the goals of the confederacy toward such ends? They exploited those "good ole boys". Why venerate them?
Your spin on it, is noted and dismissed.
My reason is the same it has always been. Their service to their States is worthy of respect. That you can't admit that, is you being a close minded bigot.
SLAVERY was the primary underlying cause of the War. That does not change the fact that the men that fought, fought bravely and for their duty as they saw it at that time.
That you want to deprive their descendants of their pride in their heritage or the right to celebrate it, is you being a bully and an asshole.Yes, and every one of the cofederate generals being venerated in memorials and statues knew that about the confederacy. They each chose to represent the army of the confederacy as well. Their "duty" was to try and realize the stated goals of the confederacy. To preserve slavery.SLAVERY was the primary underlying cause of the War. That does not change the fact that the men that fought, fought bravely and for their duty as they saw it at that time.
That you want to deprive their descendants of their pride in their heritage or the right to celebrate it, is you being a bully and an asshole
There's no way to get around that. It's not "spin" or a "narrative". It's reality.
Slavery was ONE of the stated goals. You are the one ignoring all the rest of the historical reality with your desire to demagogue on the slavery aspect of the war.
TO justify your singling out and attacking their descendants because of your modern day bigotry and racism.
Nope....sorry.Slavery was ONE of the stated goals.
Slavery was at the root of every grievance of the confederacy.