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Bold assertions offered without supporting evidence, and a persistent refusal to engage the actual objections raised by critics.
Julian Sanchez
Maybe the warrantless wire taps on U.S citizens?
Slippery slop my friend, slippery slope......
Certain elements of the Patriot Act operate to circumvent Habeas Corpus, enabling the President, or anyone he or she designates, to declare any U.S. resident, whether citizen or non-citizen, an "enemy combatant" without presenting any evidence in open court and to confine that person indefinitely without access to counsel or visitors.Ive watched people complain about the Patriot act for almost 10 years. I still haven't seen a coherant argument about what is wrong with the various Federal departments from communicating with each other or treating terror suspects as they would mobsters.
Certain elements of the Patriot Act operate to circumvent Habeas Corpus, enabling the President, or anyone he or she designates, to declare any U.S. resident, whether citizen or non-citizen, an "enemy combatant" without presenting any evidence in open court and to confine that person indefinitely without access to counsel or visitors.Ive watched people complain about the Patriot act for almost 10 years. I still haven't seen a coherant argument about what is wrong with the various Federal departments from communicating with each other or treating terror suspects as they would mobsters.
While you might be confident that the present administration would not abuse such menacing power, are you equally certain about tomorrow or next week?
Certain elements of the Patriot Act operate to circumvent Habeas Corpus, enabling the President, or anyone he or she designates, to declare any U.S. resident, whether citizen or non-citizen, an "enemy combatant" without presenting any evidence in open court and to confine that person indefinitely without access to counsel or visitors.Ive watched people complain about the Patriot act for almost 10 years. I still haven't seen a coherant argument about what is wrong with the various Federal departments from communicating with each other or treating terror suspects as they would mobsters.
While you might be confident that the present administration would not abuse such menacing power, are you equally certain about tomorrow or next week?
Link please.
The reason I'm asking is I have heard this but have never been able to find any real proof.
Certain elements of the Patriot Act operate to circumvent Habeas Corpus, enabling the President, or anyone he or she designates, to declare any U.S. resident, whether citizen or non-citizen, an "enemy combatant" without presenting any evidence in open court and to confine that person indefinitely without access to counsel or visitors.
While you might be confident that the present administration would not abuse such menacing power, are you equally certain about tomorrow or next week?
Link please.
The reason I'm asking is I have heard this but have never been able to find any real proof.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Padilla_(prisoner)
Certain elements of the Patriot Act operate to circumvent Habeas Corpus, enabling the President, or anyone he or she designates, to declare any U.S. resident, whether citizen or non-citizen, an "enemy combatant" without presenting any evidence in open court and to confine that person indefinitely without access to counsel or visitors.Ive watched people complain about the Patriot act for almost 10 years. I still haven't seen a coherant argument about what is wrong with the various Federal departments from communicating with each other or treating terror suspects as they would mobsters.
While you might be confident that the present administration would not abuse such menacing power, are you equally certain about tomorrow or next week?
Nothing could be further from the truth Sarge
or have you not delved into the grey area the recent inclusion 'material support' has provided authorities here?
It amazes me really, that a nation full of jingoists willing to spread the light of liberty across the globe would wilingly advocate diminishing it at home
We are confronting an underlying fundamental of liberty via the Patriot act Ringel.
It's merely a question of how one views liberty
If you view it as a common denominator, where one of us is cut, and we all bleed, then you subscribe to a alltruistic stance.
If you view it as a goal for the many, at the expense of the few , it could be framed as collectivist, or even worse, (the ever evil) socialist stance.
the pendulum of national gestalt swings accordingly
That's a rather esoteric answer which is appropriate and applicable in an academic debate setting.
How about concrete specifics of that aspect you brought up in the previous post which offers proof of your assertion.