The Logistics of Deporting 11,000,000 people...help please.

[Luddly Neddite]

I posted this question a while back in the Immigration forum and got a lot really nonsensical answers.

ICE reveals cost for deporting each illegal immigrant - Immigration Chronicles

And, if we figured out how, there's still the cost to consider.


Immigrant advocates today are strategically calling the $12,500 cost a “deportation tax.”

Department of Homeland Security estimates that there are roughly 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. If you do the math, that would mean it would cost $137 billion to deport all illegal immigrants. That’s pretty close to the estimate we reported last month.

Nonetheless, President Obama continues to go against the Republicans and deports them by the millions.

In one breath, you say it will cost tens and tens and tens and tens of billions to deport millions, and then you say Obama has deported millions.

You really aren't thinking when you write, are you.

The milestone is significant because it means Obama's administration has deported more people than any other president's.

What's more, it took Obama's administration just over five years to exceed the 2 million deportations that took place under all eight years of President George W. Bush's administration, which set the previous record after ramping up deportations following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. ...The 2 million deportation milestone was actually reached months ago. As of March 8, [2014], the Obama administration had deported 2,087,456 people since fiscal 2009, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement statistics.

All I know is what I read and its true that I did not witness the loading of every bus.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Same questions I asked earlier:

Do we only deport those who commit crimes and ignore the rest?
How do we "deport" them?

If an illegal immigrant commits a crime, we jail them. Once they have served their time, we pay for their ticket on the next flight back to their home country and escort them directly from prison to their seat.

So we house and feed them, give them medical care which would add how much to that original cost of $12500 to deport?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

How about this...when they get arrested in the US for various crimes load them on a bus and ship them back and tighten up border security at the same time. It's a step in the right direction.

Same questions I asked earlier:

Do we only deport those who commit crimes and ignore the rest?
How do we "deport" them?

And how do we find them?

Actually, there are two phases to a proposed deportation program.

1) You must secure the border first. Deporting someone who can just walk back in the next day is self-defeating.

2) There does not need to be some massive deportation program. We don't need to roll gray buses through the neighborhoods picking up the people with the yellow IA on their shirt. Instead, we simply deport them - using procedures currently in place - as they come to the attention of authorities. Stopped for speeding? Get deported. Arrested for domestic abuse? Get deported. The good ones stay; the bad ones go. With no in-bound illegals (see 1), the problem eventually goes away.

3) Those children born of illegal immigrants (both parents) should be deported with their parents. Those children born with only one illegal immigrant parent would, of course, be allowed to stay with the citizen parent. Not the law now? Make it the law.

See? Nothing is so difficult that logic can't solve it.

Thanks for your response.

The good ones stay? Aren't they still illegal?

Secondly, an estimated forty percent of illegals here are those who over-stayed their initial visas. This is from the Wall Street Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323916304578404960101110032

So the wall that you're building and securing the border won't apply to approximately 7 of the 11 million who are here. That is a fact. My question to you is this; are these the "good ones" you're talking about or do you simply mean ones that haven't committed a crime?

People still seem to think that all illegals are brown and picking produce.

They're also highly trained people, working in office buildings.

Either way, we invite them here to work.

I'm in favor of the increased border patrol that Obama has added and now wants to increase even more because, IMO, that addresses the worst of this issue - drug cartels.

 

[occupied]

I have posed this question before and it is clear no one in the "deport everyone now" camp has even considered the impracticality or the monetary and political cost of deporting everyone here illegally. Just proves how divorced from reality the haters are.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I often hear about the conservative plans to deport the illegal aliens who are here.

I was hoping to get the logistics solved. If you believe the figure of 11,000,0000 illegals being here, how would you go about such a feat? What if the illegal alien had a child while he or she was here; would you separate the family since the baby is a citizen?

Either the kid goes with Mom, or stays here with other relatives. If no other relatives, either goes with Mom or is given up for adoption.

Deport them. Whatever it takes.

 

[Jarlaxle]

At a hundred illegals per bus, we could do it in a mere 110,000 bus loads.

Or we could jam them in at 200 per bus and be rid of them in only 55,00 bus loads.

The question remains once we get them out of here is who is going to do the work they once did?

Americans? Fat chance.

Americans would ultimately, do it, yes, because the market wage for those jobs would have to increase in order to attract the labor. This is one of the hypocrisies of the left on this issue. You people scream about others not making a "living" wage, yet you have no problem lowering the bar for foreign brown people.

You people honestly believe that Americans are going to pick lettuce, clean hotel rooms, was cars, and mow lawns?

Get real.

They will if you cut off their welfare!

 

[Jarlaxle]

I often hear about the conservative plans to deport the illegal aliens who are here.

I was hoping to get the logistics solved. If you believe the figure of 11,000,0000 illegals being here, how would you go about such a feat? What if the illegal alien had a child while he or she was here; would you separate the family since the baby is a citizen?

Sounds pretty impractical to me.

As American citizens, the babies have no need for visas to enter almost any country the parents are likely to be from. The practicalities. buses, lots of buses.

Lots of buses and $137BILLION.

And, how would you find them?

Make operating as an illegal impossible. Hiring, sheltering, or otherwise aiding an illegal alien in any way beyond emergency medical care should be a felony, punished with long prison terms and gargantuan fines. Illegal gets hit by a car? Straight from the ER to the border, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

My wife is still in favor of all illegals simply being rounded up en masse and shot.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I often hear about the conservative plans to deport the illegal aliens who are here.

I was hoping to get the logistics solved. If you believe the figure of 11,000,0000 illegals being here, how would you go about such a feat? What if the illegal alien had a child while he or she was here; would you separate the family since the baby is a citizen?

Sounds pretty impractical to me.

As American citizens, the babies have no need for visas to enter almost any country the parents are likely to be from. The practicalities. buses, lots of buses.

Lots of buses and $137BILLION.

And, how would you find them?

That's a bargain!

Anyway, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an illegal in some parts of the country. Where can you find them, lol!

I could probably fill ten buses...tomorrow.

 

[Jarlaxle]

At a hundred illegals per bus, we could do it in a mere 110,000 bus loads.

Or we could jam them in at 200 per bus and be rid of them in only 55,00 bus loads.

The question remains once we get them out of here is who is going to do the work they once did?

Americans? Fat chance.

A bus seats only 50 passengers.

You could probably cram 120+ into a 48' semi trailer.

 

[SwimExpert]

I often hear about the conservative plans to deport the illegal aliens who are here.

I was hoping to get the logistics solved. If you believe the figure of 11,000,0000 illegals being here, how would you go about such a feat? What if the illegal alien had a child while he or she was here; would you separate the family since the baby is a citizen?

Sounds pretty impractical to me.

We could use trains....

 

[Siete]

Magic Wand..

wave in circle 3 times, say abra ka babra, prest-o change-o, and they magically go back to Mexico.

 

[Spare_change]

I have posed this question before and it is clear no one in the "deport everyone now" camp has even considered the impracticality or the monetary and political cost of deporting everyone here illegally. Just proves how divorced from reality the haters are.

Actually, what it means is you are close-minded to any potential solution that does not fit into your narrow-minded opinion of what should, or should not, happen. Viable solutions - cost effective solutions - have been offered, but you choose to ignore them.

 

[Borillar]

A modest proposal - Put those FEMA camps to use. Round up all the brown people with their anchor babies and send them to the FEMA camps. process them into dog food, fertilizer, and soap for export to China. Useful organs can be removed for transplant needs. Babies could be offered up to rich customers as a Mexican food alternative to those Turkey holiday dinners. When we run out of illegals, we can get to work on the poor.

 

[JoeMoma]

If immigration reform is passed, how will illegal immigration be controlled so that we don't end up in the same mess we are in now? What good are immigration laws that are not enforced? At some point we must start enforcing current immigration laws, pass new laws that are enforceable and truly hold illegal immigrants accountable, or just go ahead and make all immigration legal with open boarders.

 

[American Horse]

At a hundred illegals per bus, we could do it in a mere 110,000 bus loads.

Or we could jam them in at 200 per bus and be rid of them in only 55,00 bus loads.

The question remains once we get them out of here is who is going to do the work they once did?

Americans? Fat chance.

Americans would ultimately, do it, yes, because the market wage for those jobs would have to increase in order to attract the labor. This is one of the hypocrisies of the left on this issue. You people scream about others not making a "living" wage, yet you have no problem lowering the bar for foreign brown people.

You people honestly believe that Americans are going to pick lettuce, clean hotel rooms, was cars, and mow lawns?

Get real.

Americans will do all of those jobs; just not at rock bottom wages.
Some other jobs its claimed that Ameticans won't do are lay brick or block, finish concrete, hang and finish drywall, texture ceilings, frame houses, install roof shingles, install siding and stucco.,..

All those jobs are being oncreasingly being taken by illegal immigrants and fewer and fewer native borm American boys are getting those jobs as their first introduction to work and its demands.

That sucks big time.

 

[Skylar]

I often hear about the conservative plans to deport the illegal aliens who are here.

I was hoping to get the logistics solved. If you believe the figure of 11,000,0000 illegals being here, how would you go about such a feat? What if the illegal alien had a child while he or she was here; would you separate the family since the baby is a citizen?

Sounds pretty impractical to me.

Eleven million bullets would not be all that expensive and we can just dump the bodies in the ocean.

Wow. Mass executions by the millions, huh?

The Germans thought of bullets for their 'final solution'. But concluded it would be prohibitively expensive. Perhaps you'd want to study up what they settled on while contemplating such a crime against humanity.

Just don't skip how things ended up in Nurmeburg.

 

[occupied]

I have posed this question before and it is clear no one in the "deport everyone now" camp has even considered the impracticality or the monetary and political cost of deporting everyone here illegally. Just proves how divorced from reality the haters are.

Actually, what it means is you are close-minded to any potential solution that does not fit into your narrow-minded opinion of what should, or should not, happen. Viable solutions - cost effective solutions - have been offered, but you choose to ignore them.

Why should I consider a "solution" that causes more strife and harm than the problem? Any "solution" that ignores the human cost of forcibly rounding up large groups of people in this country has not been thought through.

 

[Anathema]

Wow. Mass executions by the millions, huh?

The Germans thought of bullets for their 'final solution'. But concluded it would be prohibitively expensive. Perhaps you'd want to study up what they settled on while contemplating such a crime against humanity.

Just don't skip how things ended up in Nurmeburg.

Criminals need to pay the price for their crimes. Their children are the fruit of a poisoned tree. None of them deserve to be here.

Gassing is too much trouble. Shoot them and dump the bodies (dead and wounded) 10 miles off shore. Solves the burial and "survivor" issues all at once.

 

[Skylar]

Criminals need to pay the price for their crimes. Their children are the fruit of a poisoned tree. None of them deserve to be here.

Gassing is too much trouble. Shoot them and dump the bodies (dead and wounded) 10 miles off shore. Solves the burial and "survivor" issues all at once.

Save that we have no law that mandates or even allows execution for illegal immigration. Its not even a criminal act, but a civil offense.

Why then would we conduct mass executions in contradiction of our own laws?

 

[Anathema]

Save that we have no law that mandates or even allows execution for illegal immigration. Its not even a criminal act, but a civil offense.

Why then would we conduct mass executions in contradiction of our own laws?

Those laws need to be changed. Illegally entering the US or over-staying your Visa should be equated with Terrorism and/or Espionage, both of which are Capital crimes. As these people are not US Citizens and therefore have no legitimate right to trial they would be immediately executed and their bodies disposed of like the trash they are.