The myth that a surplus during the Clinton administration was a myth.

[DiamondDave]

There's nothing in there that says you measure deficits or supluses by looking at the debt, or that you have to use a fiscal year calendar ending Sept 30 if you do.

It is when how the budgets are crafted.. it is how the government runs on financial issues....

But nice try

It is how it is....


And again.. I never defended or supported Bush's spending ways... but nice try.. you keep trying to sneak it in as some winning point, as a typical lefty move

You have proven nothing except that you wish to try and change criteria to suit your argument... everyone with any shred of an idea of how the government works and reports knows that financials are done in the fiscal year and not the calendar year.... there was NEVER and I do mean NEVER any surplus in any fiscal year during Clinton's administration.. .PERIOD... P-E-R-I-O-D

You are flat out wrong.... and that is the only thing that you have proven with your absolute fucking drivel... well, that and you are a complete left-wing partisan hack

You are flat out wrong. No matter how many P-E-R-I-O-D-S you want to add.

In the year 2000 the debt decreased. The evidence is in black and white. Everyone can see it. It is irrefutable.

The CBO shows a surplus and for the last full year Clinton was in office the debt went down. The record is clear where the drivel is here.

Nice try asshole... but that ain't gonna fly

The financials are looked at in the fiscal year.. PERIOD

There was no decrease whatsoever...

And you, like so many other hack-jobs, you love to try and hide total expenditures (as evidenced by how you are trying to snowjob gary here)

I have showed you time and time and time again.. the ACTUAL and confirmed budgetary data for each fiscal year... and you need to try and twist and squirm to try and spin it to make a lefty look better

You are frankly the kind of person that I would never blame a fellow soldier for hitting with friendly fire

The only thing you have happened to post is warped "data" trying to change the dates around... you have ignored total expenditures and total spending... all in a feeble attempt to try and make your 'side' look like they accomplished something that they did not

i will stand by the total numbers and I will stand by the timeframes that actually frame the governmental spending in the same period they do....

Oh.. .moron.... and by the way.. Clinton's last budget did not end 09/30/00... that you are right on... it ended 09/30/01
Just as you do not get to choose to include your income from October to October on your income taxes, you also do not get to choose to use dates different in judging the budget than what is set down in the guidelines by the federal government
Still try and understand that the federal budget and spending calendar is known as the MOTHERFUCKING FISCAL YEAR... you goddamn putz

If I were you.. I would castrate myself now so that I would not breed to put even more stupid people on this earth

 

[DiamondDave]

And by the way asslick.. the numbers I have used all along, are the confirmed and accepted governmental numbers.. just as the numbers are from the article I posted are.. the only reason behind posting the article was to show that there is false reporting by every president in recent history... including Clinton and his imaginary "surplus"

 

[Iriemon]

... asshole...

... You are frankly the kind of person that I would never blame a fellow soldier for hitting with friendly fire ...

...moron....

... you goddamn putz ...

I'll again address Dave's repetitive comments when he gets over his frustrated childish tantrum and can write a post without infantile flaming and babbling.

If anyone else has any comments or questions on the surplus during Clinton's administration, I'll be happy to discuss.

 

[sealybobo]

... asshole...

... You are frankly the kind of person that I would never blame a fellow soldier for hitting with friendly fire ...

...moron....

... you goddamn putz ...

I'll again address Dave's repetitive comments when he gets over his frustrated childish tantrum and can write a post without infantile flaming and babbling.

If anyone else has any comments or questions on the surplus during Clinton's administration, I'll be happy to discuss.

I have read posts from you that I agree and disagree with, so I know you are a fair person. That is why I love to see that Diamond Dave is disagreeing with you. Because he calls me a partisan hack. I am, but seeing him argue with you proves so is he.

 

[DiamondDave]

... asshole...

... You are frankly the kind of person that I would never blame a fellow soldier for hitting with friendly fire ...

...moron....

... you goddamn putz ...

I'll again address Dave's repetitive comments when he gets over his frustrated childish tantrum and can write a post without infantile flaming and babbling.

If anyone else has any comments or questions on the surplus during Clinton's administration, I'll be happy to discuss.

Again.. you have been busted in trying to manipulate data and dates... you cannot argue on the commonly accepted criteria for financial measure within government.. you have to try and twist and turn

Well.. you may fool a weak minded piece of shit liberal... but you're not pulling the wool over my eyes

Go fuck yourself

 

[sealybobo]

... asshole...

... You are frankly the kind of person that I would never blame a fellow soldier for hitting with friendly fire ...

...moron....

... you goddamn putz ...

I'll again address Dave's repetitive comments when he gets over his frustrated childish tantrum and can write a post without infantile flaming and babbling.

If anyone else has any comments or questions on the surplus during Clinton's administration, I'll be happy to discuss.

Again.. you have been busted in trying to manipulate data and dates... you cannot argue on the commonly accepted criteria for financial measure within government.. you have to try and twist and turn

Well.. you may fool a weak minded piece of shit liberal... but you're not pulling the wool over my eyes

Go fuck yourself

What post did he/she try to manipulate data and dates? I want to see this for myself.

 

[del]

I'll again address Dave's repetitive comments when he gets over his frustrated childish tantrum and can write a post without infantile flaming and babbling.

If anyone else has any comments or questions on the surplus during Clinton's administration, I'll be happy to discuss.

Again.. you have been busted in trying to manipulate data and dates... you cannot argue on the commonly accepted criteria for financial measure within government.. you have to try and twist and turn

Well.. you may fool a weak minded piece of shit liberal... but you're not pulling the wool over my eyes

Go fuck yourself

What post did he/she try to manipulate data and dates? I want to see this for myself.

i bet it's in this thread

 

[DiamondDave]

The government's fiscal year is from October 1 through September 30. All government and budgetary activities/expenditures are based on the FISCAL year so it is necessary to do debt comparisons using that same fiscal year. As a result, any and all comparisons should be made either on September 30 or October 1 (the end of the fiscal year) not January 1... unlike what this lefty asshole is trying to do.. there is no taking the CALENDAR year as the basis for analyzing governmental financial information.. .the budget and all government activity dealing with spending and monetary operations go STRICTLY on the FISCAL year....

THERE IS NO GODDAMN YEAR IN RECENT HISTORY BY ANY MOTHERFUCKING PRESIDENT WHERE THAT WAS ANY MOTHERFUCKING SURPLUS.... the myth of the Clinton surplus has been busted and is nothing more than another goddamn liberal myth.. no more truthful than the kind of shit we see with people trying to claim no plane hit the WTC on 9/11... you WANT it to be true so you ASSUME it to be.... I'll stick with the facts... you stick with your goddamn myths... but just don't post them here

 

[sealybobo]

Again.. you have been busted in trying to manipulate data and dates... you cannot argue on the commonly accepted criteria for financial measure within government.. you have to try and twist and turn

Well.. you may fool a weak minded piece of shit liberal... but you're not pulling the wool over my eyes

Go fuck yourself

What post did he/she try to manipulate data and dates? I want to see this for myself.

i bet it's in this thread

Hey, based on how Reagan, Bush & Bush came up with their surplus/deficit numbers, Clinton did have a surplus.

And if he didn't REALLY have one, then God knows what Bush's real deficit was.

PS. Obama said he's going to stop tapping into the SS fund. Greatest fucking president ever!!!!!

So professional. So classy. So smart. So right. So calm. Not trying to do too much too fast, but still the GOP says he's trying to do too much. LOL. They are scared.

But they got one thing on their side, and that's Wallstreet. They'll have an October surprise for us come 2010 and 2012.

Will it work? I doubt it.

My only other fear is that once they realize they can't beat him, they'll take him out like they did Kennedy.

 

[sealybobo]

The government's fiscal year is from October 1 through September 30. All government and budgetary activities/expenditures are based on the FISCAL year so it is necessary to do debt comparisons using that same fiscal year. As a result, any and all comparisons should be made either on September 30 or October 1 (the end of the fiscal year) not January 1... unlike what this lefty asshole is trying to do.. there is no taking the CALENDAR year as the basis for analyzing governmental financial information.. .the budget and all government activity dealing with spending and monetary operations go STRICTLY on the FISCAL year....

THERE IS NO GODDAMN YEAR IN RECENT HISTORY BY ANY MOTHERFUCKING PRESIDENT WHERE THAT WAS ANY MOTHERFUCKING SURPLUS.... the myth of the Clinton surplus has been busted and is nothing more than another goddamn liberal myth.. no more truthful than the kind of shit we see with people trying to claim no plane hit the WTC on 9/11... you WANT it to be true so you ASSUME it to be.... I'll stick with the facts... you stick with your goddamn myths... but just don't post them here

We might admit this, if you admit Clinton did better than Reagan, Bush 1 & 2.

 

[Iriemon]

... asshole...

... You are frankly the kind of person that I would never blame a fellow soldier for hitting with friendly fire ...

...moron....

... you goddamn putz ...

I'll again address Dave's repetitive comments when he gets over his frustrated childish tantrum and can write a post without infantile flaming and babbling.

If anyone else has any comments or questions on the surplus during Clinton's administration, I'll be happy to discuss.

Again.. you have been busted in trying to manipulate data and dates... you cannot argue on the commonly accepted criteria for financial measure within government.. you have to try and twist and turn

Well.. you may fool a weak minded piece of shit liberal... but you're not pulling the wool over my eyes

Go fuck yourself

They have meds you can take for anger issues these days.

 

[Iriemon]

Again.. you have been busted in trying to manipulate data and dates... you cannot argue on the commonly accepted criteria for financial measure within government.. you have to try and twist and turn

Well.. you may fool a weak minded piece of shit liberal... but you're not pulling the wool over my eyes

Go fuck yourself

What post did he/she try to manipulate data and dates? I want to see this for myself.

i bet it's in this thread

Heh heh I was wondering that too.

 

[DiamondDave]

Angry at idiots who try and twist and manipulate?.. yep.. Angry at brainwashed people like you?... yep... angry at liberals who would rather believe hype and myth than reality?... yep....

Again.... You've been exposed with the actual figures and actual data from each and every fiscal year including budget and intergovernmental spending.. and all you have is to try and manipulate the timeframes, make up a myth about paying down a debt, etc...

You are indeed in line with the long line of morons such as Bobo and Chris... congrats.. it's not an easy feat to get on their level of ignorance

 

[sealybobo]

I'll again address Dave's repetitive comments when he gets over his frustrated childish tantrum and can write a post without infantile flaming and babbling.

If anyone else has any comments or questions on the surplus during Clinton's administration, I'll be happy to discuss.

Again.. you have been busted in trying to manipulate data and dates... you cannot argue on the commonly accepted criteria for financial measure within government.. you have to try and twist and turn

Well.. you may fool a weak minded piece of shit liberal... but you're not pulling the wool over my eyes

Go fuck yourself

They have meds you can take for anger issues these days.

And I'm waiting for him to admit that Clinton was better than Reagan & the 2 Bush's in this area.

I'll admit that it wasn't really a surplus if he admits Clinton fucking rocked! LOL. And Clinton was a centrist. Gave the GOP too much. Helped them in their plans to ruin the American middle class for the sake of multinational profits.

Did he know that the GOP would abuse NAFTA? He should have known. Did he give in to deregulations when he should have known better? Probably.

So I find it funny that whenever people try to suggest that Dems are no better than Republicans, it is usually when Dems are acting like Republicans.

So if they see that Clinton was an asshole for signing NAFTA, why don't they mind that the GOP LOVE NAFTA like it was their first born son? The GOP worship NAFTA. They suck NAFTA's dick. They would kill for NAFTA.

So I never understand why they try to "blame" the Dems for NAFTA. Don't they mean, "the dems should take equal "credit"?"

Do Republicans like or dislike NAFTA?

 

[DiamondDave]

Fiscal year is where the budget runs asshole.. FISCAL YEAR... get it thru your thick fucking skull

 

[DiamondDave]

Fiscal Year
Year Ending
National Debt
Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

Fiscal Year
End Date
Claimed Surplus
Public Debt
Inter-gov Holdings
Total National Debt
FY1997 09/30/1997 none $3.789667T $1.623478T $5.413146T
FY1998 09/30/1998 $69.2B $3.733864T $55.8B $1.792328T $168.9B $5.526193T $113B DEFICIT
FY1999 09/30/1999 $122.7B $3.636104T $97.8B $2.020166T $227.8B $5.656270T $130.1B DEFICIT
FY2000 09/29/2000 $230.0B $3.405303T $230.8B $2.268874T $248.7B $5.674178T $17.9B DEFICIT
FY2001 09/28/2001 none $3.339310T $66.0B $2.468153T $199.3B $5.807463T $133.3B DEFICIT

 

[Iriemon]

Last I checked, "2000" was officially classified as a YEAR.

Total debt of the US Government:

12/31/1999 $5,776,091,314,225.33
12/29/2000 $5,662,216,013,697.37

Debt to the Penny (Daily History Search Application)

Surplus, looking at the debt reported by our friends at the Treasury Department.

These figures lifted directly from the CBO webpage:

Deficit (-) or Surplus
Year - On-Budget - Total

1998 -29.9 69.3
1999 1.9 125.6
2000 86.4 236.2
2001 -32.4 128.2
2002 -317.4 -157.8
2003 -538.4 -377.6
2004 -568.0 -412.7
2005 -493.6 -318.3
2006 -434.5 -248.2
2007 -342.2 -160.7
2008 -641.8 -458.5

Surplus, according to our friends at the CBO, who everybody looks to for such things.

Both the US Treasury data and the Congressional Budget office show surpluses during the Clinton administration.

Folks can believe data sourced directly from the US Govt, or the childish tantrums of a frustrated person who obviously needs to look into anger management programs; it's up to them.

 

[sealybobo]

Angry at idiots who try and twist and manipulate?.. yep.. Angry at brainwashed people like you?... yep... angry at liberals who would rather believe hype and myth than reality?... yep....

Again.... You've been exposed with the actual figures and actual data from each and every fiscal year including budget and intergovernmental spending.. and all you have is to try and manipulate the timeframes, make up a myth about paying down a debt, etc...

You are indeed in line with the long line of morons such as Bobo and Chris... congrats.. it's not an easy feat to get on their level of ignorance

Hey, we get what you are saying Dave. The question is, do you realize that Bush Bush 2 and Reagan's numbers were worse than Clinton's?

And do you fucking understand that Bush's numbers don't even include Iraq spending?

And you voted for McCain? Who wanted to start another war with Iran?

And you bitch about Obama spending money in America?

What do we have to show for Bush's spending? You stupid little cock sucker.

 

[sealybobo]

Fiscal Year
Year Ending
National Debt
Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

Fiscal Year
End Date
Claimed Surplus
Public Debt
Inter-gov Holdings
Total National Debt
FY1997 09/30/1997 none $3.789667T $1.623478T $5.413146T
FY1998 09/30/1998 $69.2B $3.733864T $55.8B $1.792328T $168.9B $5.526193T $113B DEFICIT
FY1999 09/30/1999 $122.7B $3.636104T $97.8B $2.020166T $227.8B $5.656270T $130.1B DEFICIT
FY2000 09/29/2000 $230.0B $3.405303T $230.8B $2.268874T $248.7B $5.674178T $17.9B DEFICIT
FY2001 09/28/2001 none $3.339310T $66.0B $2.468153T $199.3B $5.807463T $133.3B DEFICIT

Now lets see Bush's numbers, you little bitch.

 

[Iriemon]

Fiscal Year
Year Ending
National Debt
Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

Fiscal Year
End Date
Claimed Surplus
Public Debt
Inter-gov Holdings
Total National Debt
FY1997 09/30/1997 none $3.789667T $1.623478T $5.413146T
FY1998 09/30/1998 $69.2B $3.733864T $55.8B $1.792328T $168.9B $5.526193T $113B DEFICIT
FY1999 09/30/1999 $122.7B $3.636104T $97.8B $2.020166T $227.8B $5.656270T $130.1B DEFICIT
FY2000 09/29/2000 $230.0B $3.405303T $230.8B $2.268874T $248.7B $5.674178T $17.9B DEFICIT
FY2001 09/28/2001 none $3.339310T $66.0B $2.468153T $199.3B $5.807463T $133.3B DEFICIT

He forgot this one:

12/31/1999 $5,776,091,314,225.33
12/29/2000 $5,662,216,013,697.37 -113.9B SURPLUS

Irrefutably showing that for the 12 months ending 12/31/00, Clinton's last year in office, the Govt was operating at a SURPLUS, even using debt to measure it which of course no official agency does.