The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[gipper]

The Japs did it to themselves.

They did it on Okinawa. By that time it was pretty much certain that the Allies were going to prevail however, the stupid Japs fought to almost the last man inflicting heavy ground losses on the Americans including Kamikaze attacks.

The Americans rightfully said "fuck this shit, lets nuke the bastards".

The Japs should have withdrew from Okinawa and attempted to negotiate a conditional surrender.

Japanese hard headiness is what caused those cities to be nuked.

Revisionist history. Dumb too.

Tell me what is revisionist about the lessons that we Americans learned from that Okinawa bloodbath.

What we learned is that the stupid Japs were going to extract a horrendous price for bringing the end to the war.

The lesson should be never invade another country, but this is lost on statists.

You think a nation invaded by the Empire, shouldn’t fight. If the Empire was invaded, would you fight?

You are confused.

You can argue that it was FDR's interventionist policy that caused the Japs to attack the US. I would agree with you. I am a Conservative non interventionists for the most part. It was wrong for FDR to put sanctions on the Japs for what they were doing in China. It was none of our business. It was also wrong for FDR to send millions of troops to Europe when it was the Japs that attacked us. FDR was an imbecile.

However, you cannot deny that once total war was under way it was the viciousness of the Japanese that led to the US kicking their ass so bad, including nuking them. The lessons of Okinawa was that they were going to extract a heavy price for the end of the war and that nuking them was going to be a much less costlier way to end the war.

It was their own damn fault. Don't start something you can't finish. It was really dumb for the Japs to start a war with a country that had tremendous manpower, industrial capacity and the resources to develop very destructive weapons of mass destruction.

So let me get this right, it was none of our business that Japan was using OUR fuel and OUR metal to kill maim rape and murder millions of Chinese?

The US was the largest oil producer in the world at that time and we cut them off.

The US has gone to war in the Middle East because our oil supply was threatened. Remember Kuwait? That tends to piss a country off. It sure as hell pissed off the Japs.

We also had deployed troops right on the Jap's back yard. Just look what we did when the Soviets put a few troops in Central America. We invaded Granada to kick them out. We threatened to go to war when they put missiles in Cuba.

The Japs were assholes. No doubt about it. So were the Germans. However, I think if we had played our cards differently maybe we could have stayed out of WWII. We would have been stronger because of it.

By the way, my father who was an Infantryman in WWII who proudly and courageously served in Europe felt the same way. He did his duty but felt the politicians that sent him to war were imbeciles. I think he was right. Certainly that shithead LBJ that sent me to Vietnam was an idiot.

The Japanese GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY were assholes. So their defenseless people deserved to die.

Damn that’s dumb, but lots of dumb Americans agree.

And yet you can not provide a single source that shows the Japanese tried to surrender before the 2nd atomic bomb. All you need is a single Government source that supports your claim.

He can't because they were hell bent on fighting until the last man. They proved it on Okinawa.

You don’t think Americans would fight until the last man, if we were invaded. Think. Please think.

Fighting to the last man is not looking to surrender as it has been suggested on this thread.

If the Japs didn't want to get nuked all they had to do was give it up. They were stupid. They made the wrong choice and paid for it.

Oh brother. Are you capable of thinking? Do you know how surrendering works. Both antagonists must agree. Jesus

The Japanese people fighting knew nothing of their government’s efforts to surrender. They were merely trying to protect their country, just as Americans would.

Since both Stalin’s Stooge and Dirty Harry stupidly demanded unconditional surrender, the Japanese assumed the US would hang the emperor. All they asked of Dirty Harry is leave the emperor alone. He didn’t agree with those terms until AFTER he incinerated all those defenseless women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You are confused

You surrender by putting up your hands and saying "I give up". It ain't rocket science. If you want a model just look at the Dutch giving up to the Germans. We call the French "The Surrender Monkeys" but the Dutch beat them seven ways to Sunday.

The Jap shitheads didn't do that. Instead they fought to almost the last man at Okinawa. They also crashed their airplanes into our ships inflicting very heavy casualties. They even talked many of the civilians into committing suicide rather than give up to the Americans.

If they had any intentions of negotiating any agreement they sure as hell blew it and that is why we fire bombed their cities and then nuked them.

Stop being an apologist for the filthy ass Japs. It just makes you look like an idiot.

You are obviously a racist and a bigot. That then means you’re dumb. Please do not address me again.

You are using the race card when you couldn't address my points?

LOL! typical.

PS. Japan is a country, not a race.

Okay now I know you’re dumb. You referred to Japanese as Jap shitheads and filthy assed Japs. Do you know what this means?

BANNED.

 

[gipper]

Wrong. Dirty Harry won the war, then he massacred thousands of defenseless women and children of a defeated nation.

President Truman acted presidential. He saved hundreds of thousands of Americans from torture and death at the hands of power-crazed Japanese warlords. But I would hardly expect a power-crazed liberal to comprehend the importance of that.

Wrong. Long ago proven to be nothing but propaganda.

And yet you can not link to a single source that lists any of these supposed surrender offers. You claim there are a bunch I will settle for a link to just one.

I’m guessing you’ve got dementia because several posters including me, have posted links for you to read. You can read, right?

You have NEVER posted a link that shows a single one of these supposed offers just links to a book where it is claimed some were made, If you can not link to any such offer then yes I am calling you a liar. And Mac Aurther and anyone else that claims any such offer was made.

Now I know you have dementia or is it Alzheimer’s?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The Japs did it to themselves.

They did it on Okinawa. By that time it was pretty much certain that the Allies were going to prevail however, the stupid Japs fought to almost the last man inflicting heavy ground losses on the Americans including Kamikaze attacks.

The Americans rightfully said "fuck this shit, lets nuke the bastards".

The Japs should have withdrew from Okinawa and attempted to negotiate a conditional surrender.

Japanese hard headiness is what caused those cities to be nuked.

Revisionist history. Dumb too.

Tell me what is revisionist about the lessons that we Americans learned from that Okinawa bloodbath.

What we learned is that the stupid Japs were going to extract a horrendous price for bringing the end to the war.

The lesson should be never invade another country, but this is lost on statists.

You think a nation invaded by the Empire, shouldn’t fight. If the Empire was invaded, would you fight?

You are confused.

You can argue that it was FDR's interventionist policy that caused the Japs to attack the US. I would agree with you. I am a Conservative non interventionists for the most part. It was wrong for FDR to put sanctions on the Japs for what they were doing in China. It was none of our business. It was also wrong for FDR to send millions of troops to Europe when it was the Japs that attacked us. FDR was an imbecile.

However, you cannot deny that once total war was under way it was the viciousness of the Japanese that led to the US kicking their ass so bad, including nuking them. The lessons of Okinawa was that they were going to extract a heavy price for the end of the war and that nuking them was going to be a much less costlier way to end the war.

It was their own damn fault. Don't start something you can't finish. It was really dumb for the Japs to start a war with a country that had tremendous manpower, industrial capacity and the resources to develop very destructive weapons of mass destruction.

So let me get this right, it was none of our business that Japan was using OUR fuel and OUR metal to kill maim rape and murder millions of Chinese?

The US was the largest oil producer in the world at that time and we cut them off.

The US has gone to war in the Middle East because our oil supply was threatened. Remember Kuwait? That tends to piss a country off. It sure as hell pissed off the Japs.

We also had deployed troops right on the Jap's back yard. Just look what we did when the Soviets put a few troops in Central America. We invaded Granada to kick them out. We threatened to go to war when they put missiles in Cuba.

The Japs were assholes. No doubt about it. So were the Germans. However, I think if we had played our cards differently maybe we could have stayed out of WWII. We would have been stronger because of it.

By the way, my father who was an Infantryman in WWII who proudly and courageously served in Europe felt the same way. He did his duty but felt the politicians that sent him to war were imbeciles. I think he was right. Certainly that shithead LBJ that sent me to Vietnam was an idiot.

The Japanese GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY were assholes. So their defenseless people deserved to die.

Damn that’s dumb, but lots of dumb Americans agree.

And yet you can not provide a single source that shows the Japanese tried to surrender before the 2nd atomic bomb. All you need is a single Government source that supports your claim.

He can't because they were hell bent on fighting until the last man. They proved it on Okinawa.

You don’t think Americans would fight until the last man, if we were invaded. Think. Please think.

Fighting to the last man is not looking to surrender as it has been suggested on this thread.

If the Japs didn't want to get nuked all they had to do was give it up. They were stupid. They made the wrong choice and paid for it.

Oh brother. Are you capable of thinking? Do you know how surrendering works. Both antagonists must agree. Jesus

The Japanese people fighting knew nothing of their government’s efforts to surrender. They were merely trying to protect their country, just as Americans would.

Since both Stalin’s Stooge and Dirty Harry stupidly demanded unconditional surrender, the Japanese assumed the US would hang the emperor. All they asked of Dirty Harry is leave the emperor alone. He didn’t agree with those terms until AFTER he incinerated all those defenseless women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You are confused

You surrender by putting up your hands and saying "I give up". It ain't rocket science. If you want a model just look at the Dutch giving up to the Germans. We call the French "The Surrender Monkeys" but the Dutch beat them seven ways to Sunday.

The Jap shitheads didn't do that. Instead they fought to almost the last man at Okinawa. They also crashed their airplanes into our ships inflicting very heavy casualties. They even talked many of the civilians into committing suicide rather than give up to the Americans.

If they had any intentions of negotiating any agreement they sure as hell blew it and that is why we fire bombed their cities and then nuked them.

Stop being an apologist for the filthy ass Japs. It just makes you look like an idiot.

You are obviously a racist and a bigot. That then means you’re dumb. Please do not address me again.

You are using the race card when you couldn't address my points?

LOL! typical.

PS. Japan is a country, not a race.

Okay now I know you’re dumb. You referred to Japanese as Jap shitheads and filthy assed Japs. Do you know what this means?

BANNED.

Seeing how you are not a mod good luck with that, now where is that link?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Wrong. Dirty Harry won the war, then he massacred thousands of defenseless women and children of a defeated nation.

President Truman acted presidential. He saved hundreds of thousands of Americans from torture and death at the hands of power-crazed Japanese warlords. But I would hardly expect a power-crazed liberal to comprehend the importance of that.

Wrong. Long ago proven to be nothing but propaganda.

And yet you can not link to a single source that lists any of these supposed surrender offers. You claim there are a bunch I will settle for a link to just one.

I’m guessing you’ve got dementia because several posters including me, have posted links for you to read. You can read, right?

You have NEVER posted a link that shows a single one of these supposed offers just links to a book where it is claimed some were made, If you can not link to any such offer then yes I am calling you a liar. And Mac Aurther and anyone else that claims any such offer was made.

Now I know you have dementia or is it Alzheimer’s?

I see you can not link to one so instead play dumb again no link then yes you are in fact a liar.

 

[Flash]

The Japs did it to themselves.

They did it on Okinawa. By that time it was pretty much certain that the Allies were going to prevail however, the stupid Japs fought to almost the last man inflicting heavy ground losses on the Americans including Kamikaze attacks.

The Americans rightfully said "fuck this shit, lets nuke the bastards".

The Japs should have withdrew from Okinawa and attempted to negotiate a conditional surrender.

Japanese hard headiness is what caused those cities to be nuked.

Revisionist history. Dumb too.

Tell me what is revisionist about the lessons that we Americans learned from that Okinawa bloodbath.

What we learned is that the stupid Japs were going to extract a horrendous price for bringing the end to the war.

The lesson should be never invade another country, but this is lost on statists.

You think a nation invaded by the Empire, shouldn’t fight. If the Empire was invaded, would you fight?

You are confused.

You can argue that it was FDR's interventionist policy that caused the Japs to attack the US. I would agree with you. I am a Conservative non interventionists for the most part. It was wrong for FDR to put sanctions on the Japs for what they were doing in China. It was none of our business. It was also wrong for FDR to send millions of troops to Europe when it was the Japs that attacked us. FDR was an imbecile.

However, you cannot deny that once total war was under way it was the viciousness of the Japanese that led to the US kicking their ass so bad, including nuking them. The lessons of Okinawa was that they were going to extract a heavy price for the end of the war and that nuking them was going to be a much less costlier way to end the war.

It was their own damn fault. Don't start something you can't finish. It was really dumb for the Japs to start a war with a country that had tremendous manpower, industrial capacity and the resources to develop very destructive weapons of mass destruction.

So let me get this right, it was none of our business that Japan was using OUR fuel and OUR metal to kill maim rape and murder millions of Chinese?

The US was the largest oil producer in the world at that time and we cut them off.

The US has gone to war in the Middle East because our oil supply was threatened. Remember Kuwait? That tends to piss a country off. It sure as hell pissed off the Japs.

We also had deployed troops right on the Jap's back yard. Just look what we did when the Soviets put a few troops in Central America. We invaded Granada to kick them out. We threatened to go to war when they put missiles in Cuba.

The Japs were assholes. No doubt about it. So were the Germans. However, I think if we had played our cards differently maybe we could have stayed out of WWII. We would have been stronger because of it.

By the way, my father who was an Infantryman in WWII who proudly and courageously served in Europe felt the same way. He did his duty but felt the politicians that sent him to war were imbeciles. I think he was right. Certainly that shithead LBJ that sent me to Vietnam was an idiot.

The Japanese GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY were assholes. So their defenseless people deserved to die.

Damn that’s dumb, but lots of dumb Americans agree.

And yet you can not provide a single source that shows the Japanese tried to surrender before the 2nd atomic bomb. All you need is a single Government source that supports your claim.

He can't because they were hell bent on fighting until the last man. They proved it on Okinawa.

You don’t think Americans would fight until the last man, if we were invaded. Think. Please think.

Fighting to the last man is not looking to surrender as it has been suggested on this thread.

If the Japs didn't want to get nuked all they had to do was give it up. They were stupid. They made the wrong choice and paid for it.

Oh brother. Are you capable of thinking? Do you know how surrendering works. Both antagonists must agree. Jesus

The Japanese people fighting knew nothing of their government’s efforts to surrender. They were merely trying to protect their country, just as Americans would.

Since both Stalin’s Stooge and Dirty Harry stupidly demanded unconditional surrender, the Japanese assumed the US would hang the emperor. All they asked of Dirty Harry is leave the emperor alone. He didn’t agree with those terms until AFTER he incinerated all those defenseless women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You are confused

You surrender by putting up your hands and saying "I give up". It ain't rocket science. If you want a model just look at the Dutch giving up to the Germans. We call the French "The Surrender Monkeys" but the Dutch beat them seven ways to Sunday.

The Jap shitheads didn't do that. Instead they fought to almost the last man at Okinawa. They also crashed their airplanes into our ships inflicting very heavy casualties. They even talked many of the civilians into committing suicide rather than give up to the Americans.

If they had any intentions of negotiating any agreement they sure as hell blew it and that is why we fire bombed their cities and then nuked them.

Stop being an apologist for the filthy ass Japs. It just makes you look like an idiot.

You are obviously a racist and a bigot. That then means you’re dumb. Please do not address me again.

You are using the race card when you couldn't address my points?

LOL! typical.

PS. Japan is a country, not a race.

Okay now I know you’re dumb. You referred to Japanese as Jap shitheads and filthy assed Japs. Do you know what this means?

BANNED.

LOL. You are not smart to tell the difference between a country and a race?

I would have said the same thing about the Germans so you can take your race baiting bullshit and cram it.

 

[gipper]

What?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What?

You are a liar and can not back up a single one of your claims.

 

[Unkotare]

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I would have said the same thing about the Germans so you can take your race baiting bullshit and cram it.

And yet you managed to write that without repeating an ethnic slur about Germans over and over like some dimwitted little boy with Tourette's Syndrome.

 

[Unkotare]

Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins

Almost six decades after the fact, the 1945 unleashing of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima continues to be the subject of impassioned debate. Every year the bombing anniversary — which falls on August 6 — occasions heated exchanges between those who question the atomic bombing and those who...

origins.osu.edu

 

[Flash]

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I would have said the same thing about the Germans so you can take your race baiting bullshit and cram it.

And yet you managed to write that without repeating an ethnic slur about Germans over and over like some dimwitted little boy with Tourette's Syndrome.

My father hated the Germans.

My two uncles that fought in the Pacific hated the Japs.

By way, Jap is nothing more than short for Japanese. Easier to type.

Nowadays I have no ill feelings towards either the Japs or the Krauts.

 

[HenryBHough]

Wrong. Long ago proven to be nothing but propaganda.

Help us understand here...are you channeling Julius or Ethel?

 

[gipper]

Wrong. Long ago proven to be nothing but propaganda.

Help us understand here...are you channeling Julius or Ethel?

Old tactic. Try to be a little more creative.

 

[HenryBHough]

Question too hard?

 

[Unkotare]

...

I would have said the same thing about the Germans so you can take your race baiting bullshit and cram it.

And yet you managed to write that without repeating an ethnic slur about Germans over and over like some dimwitted little boy with Tourette's Syndrome.

My father hated the Germans.

My two uncles that fought in the Pacific hated the Jap[anese].

Nowadays I have no ill feelings towards either the Jap[anese] or the Krauts.

Still can't control yourself? All out of Haldol?

 

[gipper]

Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins

Almost six decades after the fact, the 1945 unleashing of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima continues to be the subject of impassioned debate. Every year the bombing anniversary — which falls on August 6 — occasions heated exchanges between those who question the atomic bombing and those who...

origins.osu.edu

I wonder if the grunt can read these words....The Japanese, he noted, had "put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before" the bomb was used.

 

[gipper]

Question too hard?

Yes I love traitors.

 

[Flash]

...

I would have said the same thing about the Germans so you can take your race baiting bullshit and cram it.

And yet you managed to write that without repeating an ethnic slur about Germans over and over like some dimwitted little boy with Tourette's Syndrome.

My father hated the Germans.

My two uncles that fought in the Pacific hated the Jap[anese].

Nowadays I have no ill feelings towards either the Jap[anese] or the Krauts.

Still can't control yourself? All out of Haldol?

LOL! You are obsessed with racism, aren't you?

Jap is short for Japanese. Easier to type than the full name.

My uncles hated the slant eyed little Jap bastards as much as my father hated the filthy ass Nazi Krauts and he was of German ancestry.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins

Almost six decades after the fact, the 1945 unleashing of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima continues to be the subject of impassioned debate. Every year the bombing anniversary — which falls on August 6 — occasions heated exchanges between those who question the atomic bombing and those who...

origins.osu.edu

I wonder if the grunt can read these words....The Japanese, he noted, had "put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before" the bomb was used.

I have listed what they offered via the Soviets, a ceasefire return to 41 start lines and no concessions in China, that was no offer to surrender, further no occupation and no repercussions to Japan.

 

[gipper]

Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins

Almost six decades after the fact, the 1945 unleashing of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima continues to be the subject of impassioned debate. Every year the bombing anniversary — which falls on August 6 — occasions heated exchanges between those who question the atomic bombing and those who...

origins.osu.edu

I wonder if the grunt can read these words....The Japanese, he noted, had "put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before" the bomb was used.

I have listed what they offered via the Soviets, a ceasefire return to 41 start lines and no concessions in China, that was no offer to surrender, further no occupation and no repercussions to Japan.

No. All they asked for was no harm to the emperor, by July 1945. Dirty Harry said fuck you, then he nuked thousands of defenseless women and children and then he said okay.

What a guy.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins

Almost six decades after the fact, the 1945 unleashing of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima continues to be the subject of impassioned debate. Every year the bombing anniversary — which falls on August 6 — occasions heated exchanges between those who question the atomic bombing and those who...

origins.osu.edu

I wonder if the grunt can read these words....The Japanese, he noted, had "put out a lot of peace feelers through Russia long before" the bomb was used.

I have listed what they offered via the Soviets, a ceasefire return to 41 start lines and no concessions in China, that was no offer to surrender, further no occupation and no repercussions to Japan.

No. All they asked for was no harm to the emperor, by July 1945. Dirty Harry said fuck you, then he nuked thousands of defenseless women and children and then he said okay.

What a guy.

I have the Government intercept you LYING MORON. They did not offer peace and they did not offer to surrender if the Emperor was retained.