The Nuking of Nagasaki: Even More Immoral and Unnecessary than Hiroshima

[gipper]

Mike is the asshole who says "that woman deserved to be raped for the short skirt she was wearing".

It is literally impossible to "provoke" someone into attacking you. Nothing justifies the offensive act of dropping bombs on human beings.

Defensively? Absolutely. Bomb away. But no policy or sanction justifies dropping bombs on human beings. I'm about 99.8% Mike is a Russian or Chinese disinformation account.

I’m glad we agree that Truman’s mass murdering war crime was entirely unjustified.

 

[Open Bolt]

Wrong.
Nukes are and always were illegal chemical and thermal weapons that are banned.

Not wrong. There is no law against the US, UK, France, Israel, or India having nuclear weapons.

Bullets do not have to "cleanly kill" in that they usually just go right through, with only a temporary wound.
That is why hollow point and dumdum expanding bullets are illegal.
Gun shots in war are almost never lethal anymore.

I presume you mean illegal for soldiers. They are perfectly legal for civilians.

But more to the point, NATO trying to put nukes on the Russian border is in violation of several treaties, and is as bad as the Cuban Missile Crisis.

NATO is doing no such thing.

There are also no treaties that would prevent it. But NATO has no plans to do such a thing despite the lack of treaties against it.

There will eventually be long range conventional missiles placed in former Warsaw Pact countries. Russia will be free to whine about that if they like, but there are no treaties against it. The missiles are still being developed though, so it will be a few years.

That is a lie.
Japan DID offer to surrender.

Japan offered to surrender only after both atomic bombs had already been dropped.

The US just had broken off all negotiations, so would not accept it.

There were no negotiations.

The Japanese then sent the messages for surrender though the Soviets, since they still had an embassy in Japan.

No such messages were sent.

The US got the surrender messages, but told Stalin to stall them until after we could test out the new nuclear weapons.

No such messages were received.

We wanted to show them off for the benefit of the Soviets, and they also wanted to see them in action.

We wanted Japan to surrender.

Since Hiroshima and Nagasaki had no significant war impact,

Hiroshima was a huge military center that was the headquarters in charge of repelling our invasion.

Nagasaki built Japan's largest warships.

HOW could their bombing at all be "justified" or "necessary"?

Easy. Japan was still refusing to surrender. Therefore we had the right to keep attacking military targets.

If you are saying they ended the war as demonstration of our nuclear power, that could much better have been done on an isolated land or water location, with Japanese scientist observers.

We preferred to hit military targets.

hitting cities, we made it impossible for the Japanese government to even know or evaluate what happened, because the bombs knocked out all communications.

Japan knew exactly what happened.

And the point is the Ukraine had violated their treaty by TRYING to get NATO nukes. The fact NATO refused does not alter the crime by the Ukraine.

No such treaty, no such attempt, and no such crime.

And the Russian invasion WAS warranted by the murder of ethnic Russians by the Ukraine, the oil thefts, the treaty violations, and finally, by the Ukraine cutting off negotiations. That was essentially an act of war.

No such murders, no such thefts, no such treaty violations, and cutting off negotiations is not an act of war.

The only aggressors here are the Russians, who are militarily incompetent, but are pretty good at raping and murdering civilians.

 

[gipper]

No son. What we know is: Putin/Russia INVADE and Ukraine INVADED.

This isn't hard. Even for people like you!

Right. That’s all you know.

You don’t like Putin’s invasion, but the multiple invasions by the US are wonderful and fully justified.

 

[Open Bolt]

Sadly few Americans know anything about the history of relations between Russia and Ukraine. They know nothing about the heavy Nazi influence within the Ukraine government. They know nothing of the 14,000 ethnic Russians killed in the Donbas the last ten years.

That's because none of that is true.

All they know is Putin BAD and Ukraine good.

That's because all of that is true.

I’m glad we agree that Truman’s mass murdering war crime was entirely unjustified.

No murder and no war crime. Attacking military targets is entirely justified when you are at war.

The atomic bombings were defensive, not offensive. We were defending ourselves from Japan's aggression.

 

[Open Bolt]

Can you get any more barbaric and inhumane?

Melodrama is no substitute for facts and logic.

First of all, the number of Japanese civilians that we killed dwarfs the number of American citizens that the Japanese killed.

I doubt that.

we turned around and bombed over 60 Japanese cities and killed over 500,000 civilians in the process,

I don't accept these casualty figures.

most of them women and children.

There were no men in the cities?

It is sad that you can't even admit that nuking another Japanese city three days after Hiroshima was unbelievably cruel and barbaric.

Gosh. Did you hear that they actually fire live ammo at enemy soldiers? </sarcasm>

If Japan did not want us to defend ourselves from their aggression, then Japan shouldn't have been attacking us.

Second, we murdered thousands of Japanese POWs and Japanese soldiers who were trying to surrender.

Nonsense.

 

[gipper]

That's because none of that is true.



That's because all of that is true.



No murder and no war crime. Attacking military targets is entirely justified when you are at war.

The atomic bombings were defensive, not offensive. We were defending ourselves from Japan's aggression.

Truman should have been hung at Nuremberg.

 

[P@triot]

That is why hollow point and dumdum expanding bullets are illegal.

Hollow point bullets are not illegal

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[P@triot]

I’m glad we agree that Truman’s mass murdering war crime was entirely unjustified.

I'm glad we agree you resort to lying and propaganda. Now we need to determine why you feel the need to do that?

 

[P@triot]

You don’t like Putin’s invasion, but the multiple invasions by the US are wonderful and fully justified.

The US has never "invaded" anyone

 

[P@triot]

I suspect that he was referring to soldiers on the battlefield not using hollow points and wasn't even thinking of civilian use.

They aren't "illegal" on the battlefield either!

 

[P@triot]

^^^^warmongering idiots.

^^^^ fear-filled pussies

 

[P@triot]

^^^^warmongering idiots.

^^^ Tell me you're a pussy of epic proportions without telling me you're a pussy of epic proportions

 

[Rigby5]

Mike is the asshole who says "that woman deserved to be raped for the short skirt she was wearing".

It is literally impossible to "provoke" someone into attacking you. Nothing justifies the offensive act of dropping bombs on human beings.

Defensively? Absolutely. Bomb away. But no policy or sanction justifies dropping bombs on human beings. I'm about 99.8% Mike is a Russian or Chinese disinformation account.

Wrong.
By invading and colonizing the Pacific, like the Philippines, Indonesia, Malasia, etc. the US, England, and France were depriving Japan of everything they needed to survive, like food.
Dropping bombs on Pearl Harbor was not offensive because the US should not have been in in the Pacific at all, much less Hawaii.
The Japanese were acting defensively, and the US was the imperialist aggressor.

 

[gipper]

I'm glad we agree you resort to lying and propaganda. Now we need to determine why you feel the need to do that?

Truman is not a war criminal.

Putin is a war criminal.

You think!

Hypocrite!

 

[Rigby5]

Psst...dumb ass...not only were there no US soldiers involved in the "Bay of Pigs", there weren't even US citizens. Those were all Cubans, dummy.

You're so uninformed, you're pinning a Cuban invasion of Cuba on the US

The US armed, trained, and financed the Bay of Pigs invasion.
We then also ransomed them.
But you are also forgetting the charge of Teddy Roosevelt up San Juan Hill.

 

[Rigby5]

Hollow point bullets are not illegal

I literally have 8 dozen boxes of them and not one was purchased on the black market. Furthermore, almost every law enforcement agency in the US issues hollow points because they don't pass through the target and injure someone else.

Every time you post, you make shit up. What is wrong with you?

In war they are.

 

[Rigby5]

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In war they are, and we were discussing the Geneva Conventions.

 

[Rigby5]

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Read up, the first thing the Geneva Conventions did were to make hollow points illegal.

 

[Rigby5]

No son. What we know is: Putin/Russia INVADE and Ukraine INVADED.

This isn't hard. Even for people like you!

Wrong.
FIRST we have the Ukraine committing war crimes like murdering 14,000 ethnic Russians, stealing oil, violating treaties, trying to put NATO nukes on the Russian border, etc.
THEN we have the legal invasion to correct those crimes.

 

[P@triot]

By invading and colonizing the Pacific, like the Philippines, Indonesia, Malasia, etc. the US, England, and France were depriving Japan of everything they needed to survive, like food.

Wrong (as always)