The Nunes memo cannot discredit the "Russia" investigation. Why can't it?

[CrusaderFrank]

The plot thickens

House Judiciary Dem calls for emergency FBI, DOJ meeting over Nunes memo
Rising White House fear: Nunes memo is a dud

The Democrats all seem terrified of this Memo being released, wonder why that might be....oh yes, that's right

Hillary did say that they'll hang if Trump won

 

[Hutch Starskey]

First:

Because the investigation has already uncovered criminal activity to which the perpetrators have pled guilty and/or been indicted! That pair of facts alone already have proven:

• There was wrongdoing committed by Trump Admin./Campaign personnel
• There were ideas expressed and actions undertaken about which Trump Admin./Campaign personnel felt obliged to lie.

Second:

Because the only ways to "fight back" against a criminal indictment are (1) lying, or (2) presenting a strong legal case that refutes the veracity of the prosecution's assertions, and that must be done in in a courtroom.​

The Bull Shit is strong with this one....

Fruit of the poisonous tree...everything gleaned from the illegal wire taps and anything found due to them is now inadmissible in court... ANY INTERVIEW done due to the information gleaned and any information found in the interview is now garbage...

Which illegal wiretap is that?

Considering that there were over thirty (that we know of).... which one you want to deal with?

Post what you have.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

The plot thickens

House Judiciary Dem calls for emergency FBI, DOJ meeting over Nunes memo
Rising White House fear: Nunes memo is a dud

Who gives a fuck?

That memo is getting released.

They can have all the bullshit, crybaby meetings they want.

Have they released the fucking Memo yet? No? WTF?!

To show our FULL SUPPORT for our American brothers and sisters:

 

[Rambunctious]

FISA Abuse was once something the left hated and was weary of....now they say it didn't happen?

 

[del]

FISA Abuse was once something the left hated and was weary of....now they say it didn't happen?

we're better at accepting reality than the trumplings.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The Nunes memo reportedly is mostly about the dossier and FISA warrants.
Page was the only Trump team member with a FISA warrant.
As Page had an existing warrant since 2013 that was renewed annually, the dossier could not possibly be the basis for it. It could possibly be a corroborating source but not much else. It certainly doesn't mean the administration misused the court to 'spy' on the Trump campaign.

The memo will show who and why and what was told to the FISA court....what was told to the court and more importantly what was not told to the FISA court...
Obama's DOJ was lying to gain surveillance permission during a national campaign...that is worse than Watergate!

Page had an active FISA warrant the entire campaign. It was renewed every year since 2013 and is still active. Please tell us that Obama knew that Trump would run and hire Page.

just 1 correction on that, the FISA warrant was renewed every 90 days since 2013....

the only way to get a renewal is to show a FISA judge, that the previous 90 days of surveillance produced results that helped our national security. The FISA judge, goes over the information with a fine tooth comb, and then approves it, if it does show it was beneficial to our National Security and was getting results of such, through the surveillance.

Thank you. It's annually for foreign nationals.

 

[Crixus]

First:

Because the investigation has already uncovered criminal activity to which the perpetrators have pled guilty and/or been indicted! That pair of facts alone already have proven:

• There was wrongdoing committed by Trump Admin./Campaign personnel
• There were ideas expressed and actions undertaken about which Trump Admin./Campaign personnel felt obliged to lie.

Second:

Because the only ways to "fight back" against a criminal indictment are (1) lying, or (2) presenting a strong legal case that refutes the veracity of the prosecution's assertions, and that must be done in in a courtroom.​

Yeah, it see, if the evidance they were convicted on was obtained dishonestly that complicates things. And by the way, ZERO conviction le as of yet as far as I know.

 

[mikegriffith1]

I ask again: If Nunes made changes to the memo that changed it from being a meaningless, innocent memo to a damning one, why did Democrats exert so much effort to try to keep the original--and presumably unaltered and innocent--memo from being released?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

The plot thickens

House Judiciary Dem calls for emergency FBI, DOJ meeting over Nunes memo
Rising White House fear: Nunes memo is a dud

The Democrats all seem terrified of this Memo being released, wonder why that might be....oh yes, that's right

Hillary did say that they'll hang if Trump won

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The plot thickens

House Judiciary Dem calls for emergency FBI, DOJ meeting over Nunes memo
Rising White House fear: Nunes memo is a dud

Who gives a fuck?

That memo is getting released.

They can have all the bullshit, crybaby meetings they want.

Have they released the fucking Memo yet? No? WTF?!

To show our FULL SUPPORT for our American brothers and sisters:

Good job, comrade..

Russia-linked Twitter accounts are working overtime to help Devin Nunes and WikiLeaks

 

[Hutch Starskey]

First:

Because the investigation has already uncovered criminal activity to which the perpetrators have pled guilty and/or been indicted! That pair of facts alone already have proven:

• There was wrongdoing committed by Trump Admin./Campaign personnel
• There were ideas expressed and actions undertaken about which Trump Admin./Campaign personnel felt obliged to lie.

Second:

Because the only ways to "fight back" against a criminal indictment are (1) lying, or (2) presenting a strong legal case that refutes the veracity of the prosecution's assertions, and that must be done in in a courtroom.​

Yeah, it see, if the evidance they were convicted on was obtained dishonestly that complicates things. And by the way, ZERO conviction le as of yet as far as I know.

Two convictions.
A guilty plea is a conviction.

 

[DrLove]

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AND the Russian TwitBots - Nice work Sergei!

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

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AND the Russian TwitBots - Nice work Sergei!

Shut up Troll Boi. Why are you frightened of the Memo being released....oh that's right I forgot

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

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AND the Russian TwitBots - Nice work Sergei!

^^^^ You:



Me:

 

[Care4all]

The Nunes memo reportedly is mostly about the dossier and FISA warrants.
Page was the only Trump team member with a FISA warrant.
As Page had an existing warrant since 2013 that was renewed annually, the dossier could not possibly be the basis for it. It could possibly be a corroborating source but not much else. It certainly doesn't mean the administration misused the court to 'spy' on the Trump campaign.

The memo will show who and why and what was told to the FISA court....what was told to the court and more importantly what was not told to the FISA court...
Obama's DOJ was lying to gain surveillance permission during a national campaign...that is worse than Watergate!

Page had an active FISA warrant the entire campaign. It was renewed every year since 2013 and is still active. Please tell us that Obama knew that Trump would run and hire Page.

just 1 correction on that, the FISA warrant was renewed every 90 days since 2013....

the only way to get a renewal is to show a FISA judge, that the previous 90 days of surveillance produced results that helped our national security. The FISA judge, goes over the information with a fine tooth comb, and then approves it, if it does show it was beneficial to our National Security and was getting results of such, through the surveillance.

Thank you. It's annually for foreign nationals.

there is one more thing that I added to my post to NOTE.... It is possible to have gaps in the 3 month at a time surveillance periods....if the FISA Judge does not see enough evidence produced during the previous 3 months that helped the National Security...then it will be turned down, and the Justice depart can then go back to the Judge for renewal if they produce and show other additional info, to convince the judge.... and then renewed for another 3 months.... yes, this is for Americans, that could be agents of a Foreign Power, thus only 3 months at a time, then a review by the FISA Judge.

 

[Crixus]

First:

Because the investigation has already uncovered criminal activity to which the perpetrators have pled guilty and/or been indicted! That pair of facts alone already have proven:

• There was wrongdoing committed by Trump Admin./Campaign personnel
• There were ideas expressed and actions undertaken about which Trump Admin./Campaign personnel felt obliged to lie.

Second:

Because the only ways to "fight back" against a criminal indictment are (1) lying, or (2) presenting a strong legal case that refutes the veracity of the prosecution's assertions, and that must be done in in a courtroom.​

Yeah, it see, if the evidance they were convicted on was obtained dishonestly that complicates things. And by the way, ZERO conviction le as of yet as far as I know.

Two convictions.
A guilty plea is a conviction.

You don’t get it. And no, it isn’t. Maybe on your tv programs, but no, a confession does NOT equal a conviction. Stupidest thing said in the thread so far.


Police Searches and Improperly Issued Warrants



For example, assume that a judge decides that an affidavit submitted by a police officer establishes probable cause to issue a warrant. Even if a reviewing court later disagrees and decides that the warrant shouldn’t have been issued in the first place, the officer’s search in good-faith reliance on the warrant will be considered valid, and whatever the search turns up will be admissible in evidence. If, however, the warrant is issued on the basis of statements in the affidavit that the police knew to be untrue or made recklessly without proper regard for their truth, the evidence from a search based on the warrant may later be excluded. In this situation, the evidence would be excluded based on the police officer’s actions, not an error by the judge.



The federal version is the same pretty much. All your hope rests on the validity of that dossiers. Not looking good for team libtard.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The Nunes memo reportedly is mostly about the dossier and FISA warrants.
Page was the only Trump team member with a FISA warrant.
As Page had an existing warrant since 2013 that was renewed annually, the dossier could not possibly be the basis for it. It could possibly be a corroborating source but not much else. It certainly doesn't mean the administration misused the court to 'spy' on the Trump campaign.

The memo will show who and why and what was told to the FISA court....what was told to the court and more importantly what was not told to the FISA court...
Obama's DOJ was lying to gain surveillance permission during a national campaign...that is worse than Watergate!

Page had an active FISA warrant the entire campaign. It was renewed every year since 2013 and is still active. Please tell us that Obama knew that Trump would run and hire Page.

just 1 correction on that, the FISA warrant was renewed every 90 days since 2013....

the only way to get a renewal is to show a FISA judge, that the previous 90 days of surveillance produced results that helped our national security. The FISA judge, goes over the information with a fine tooth comb, and then approves it, if it does show it was beneficial to our National Security and was getting results of such, through the surveillance.

Thank you. It's annually for foreign nationals.

there is one more thing that I added to my post to NOTE.... It is possible to have gaps in the 3 month at a time surveillance periods....if the FISA Judge does not see enough evidence produced during the previous 3 months that helped the National Security...then it will be turned down, and the Justice depart can then go back to the Judge for renewal if they produce and show other additional info, to convince the judge.... and then renewed for another 3 months.... yes, this is for Americans, that could be agents of a Foreign Power, thus only 3 months at a time, then a review by the FISA Judge.

My point was that Mr. Page already had quite a history with the FISA court. A lie would not have been needed to persuade the court.

 

[Care4all]

The memo will show who and why and what was told to the FISA court....what was told to the court and more importantly what was not told to the FISA court...
Obama's DOJ was lying to gain surveillance permission during a national campaign...that is worse than Watergate!

Page had an active FISA warrant the entire campaign. It was renewed every year since 2013 and is still active. Please tell us that Obama knew that Trump would run and hire Page.

just 1 correction on that, the FISA warrant was renewed every 90 days since 2013....

the only way to get a renewal is to show a FISA judge, that the previous 90 days of surveillance produced results that helped our national security. The FISA judge, goes over the information with a fine tooth comb, and then approves it, if it does show it was beneficial to our National Security and was getting results of such, through the surveillance.

Thank you. It's annually for foreign nationals.

there is one more thing that I added to my post to NOTE.... It is possible to have gaps in the 3 month at a time surveillance periods....if the FISA Judge does not see enough evidence produced during the previous 3 months that helped the National Security...then it will be turned down, and the Justice depart can then go back to the Judge for renewal if they produce and show other additional info, to convince the judge.... and then renewed for another 3 months.... yes, this is for Americans, that could be agents of a Foreign Power, thus only 3 months at a time, then a review by the FISA Judge.

My point was that Mr. Page already had quite a history with the FISA court. A lie would not have been needed to persuade the court.

Yes, from what I understand there had been a Fisa warrant previously that was renewed....

Plus the FBI had already called him in on questioning about his Russian visits and connections, and if memory serves... this was before he joined the Trump team!

 

[Hutch Starskey]

First:

Because the investigation has already uncovered criminal activity to which the perpetrators have pled guilty and/or been indicted! That pair of facts alone already have proven:

• There was wrongdoing committed by Trump Admin./Campaign personnel
• There were ideas expressed and actions undertaken about which Trump Admin./Campaign personnel felt obliged to lie.

Second:

Because the only ways to "fight back" against a criminal indictment are (1) lying, or (2) presenting a strong legal case that refutes the veracity of the prosecution's assertions, and that must be done in in a courtroom.​

Yeah, it see, if the evidance they were convicted on was obtained dishonestly that complicates things. And by the way, ZERO conviction le as of yet as far as I know.

Two convictions.
A guilty plea is a conviction.

You don’t get it. And no, it isn’t. Maybe on your tv programs, but no, a confession does NOT equal a conviction. Stupidest thing said in the thread so far.


Police Searches and Improperly Issued Warrants



For example, assume that a judge decides that an affidavit submitted by a police officer establishes probable cause to issue a warrant. Even if a reviewing court later disagrees and decides that the warrant shouldn’t have been issued in the first place, the officer’s search in good-faith reliance on the warrant will be considered valid, and whatever the search turns up will be admissible in evidence. If, however, the warrant is issued on the basis of statements in the affidavit that the police knew to be untrue or made recklessly without proper regard for their truth, the evidence from a search based on the warrant may later be excluded. In this situation, the evidence would be excluded based on the police officer’s actions, not an error by the judge.



The federal version is the same pretty much. All your hope rests on the validity of that dossiers. Not looking good for team libtard.

You don’t get it. And no, it isn’t. Maybe on your tv programs, but no, a confession does NOT equal a conviction. Stupidest thing said in the thread so far.

A confession is not a guilty plea.
A guilty plea is an admission of guilt to the court and a waiver of a trial. A conviction, just as it would be if a jury or a judge had returned a guilty verdict.

 

[Billy_Bob]

LOL

THE LEFT WING SPIN.....

FOX news just reported that there will be no redaction's of names in the memo.. IF that is true then there are people going to prison real soon..