The Nunes memo cannot discredit the "Russia" investigation. Why can't it?

[HereWeGoAgain]

Thanks for admitting Trump is a honorable man.

i can see why you like the piece of shit

you're no more capable of honesty than the other delusional shitbag.

Scared of the memo are you?

incapable of understanding english are you?

Incapable of understanding the use of capital letters are you.

oooooh

that stung

Nothing like release of the memo is going to...

 

[del]

i can see why you like the piece of shit

you're no more capable of honesty than the other delusional shitbag.

Scared of the memo are you?

incapable of understanding english are you?

Incapable of understanding the use of capital letters are you.

oooooh

that stung

Nothing like release of the memo is going to...

keep telling yourself that, skippy

i'm sure it's very comforting

 

[Care4all]

i can see why you like the piece of shit

you're no more capable of honesty than the other delusional shitbag.

Scared of the memo are you?

incapable of understanding english are you?

Incapable of understanding the use of capital letters are you.

oooooh

that stung

Nothing like release of the memo is going to...

What do you think it will show?

 

[Rambunctious]

flynn wasn't fired from the campaign, devin

try again

You're right my mistake I meant to say from his position in the cabinet...

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You mean the lying on the security forms about the contacts of most of the Trump admin does not constitute a crime? Boy, do we read those laws differently

Flynn was fired from the campaign remember? Manafort's misdeeds had nothing to do with Russia and the Trump campaign...

Flynn was fired from the campaign remember? Manafort's misdeeds had nothing to do with Russia and the Trump campaign...

Flynn was fired from the administration. Trump actually made him his national security adviser.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

First:

Because the investigation has already uncovered criminal activity to which the perpetrators have pled guilty and/or been indicted! That pair of facts alone already have proven:

• There was wrongdoing committed by Trump Admin./Campaign personnel
• There were ideas expressed and actions undertaken about which Trump Admin./Campaign personnel felt obliged to lie.

Second:

Because the only ways to "fight back" against a criminal indictment are (1) lying, or (2) presenting a strong legal case that refutes the veracity of the prosecution's assertions, and that must be done in in a courtroom.​

"Because the investigation has already uncovered criminal activity to which the perpetrators have pled guilty and/or been indicted!"

^^^^ Except that Michael Flynn has nothing to do with Russia, Michael Flynn is to do with Turkey. Paul Manafort has nothing to do with Russia, Paul Manafort is to do with Ukraine.

No. Flynn plead guilty to lying to the FBI about Russian contacts.
Danm, do you guys know anything?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Scared of the memo are you?

incapable of understanding english are you?

Incapable of understanding the use of capital letters are you.

oooooh

that stung

Nothing like release of the memo is going to...

What do you think it will show?

I think it will corroborate what we've already heard.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The memo is about the misleading of the FISA court by Obama cronies too spy on the Trump campaign....

Except Page had a FISA warrant on him since 2013.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Except Page had a FISA warrant on him since 2013.

True.

I think a lot of people misunderstand the whole situation, which is why both memos should be released.

 

[Care4all]

incapable of understanding english are you?

Incapable of understanding the use of capital letters are you.

oooooh

that stung

Nothing like release of the memo is going to...

What do you think it will show?

I think it will corroborate what we've already heard.

who's heard? If ya don't watch Fox, or read the gateway pundit or infowars.....

we haven't ''heard it''.....

so what is your contention, what in the released memo will make it sting, in your words???

 

[Rambunctious]

Flynn was fired from the administration. Trump actually made him his national security adviser.

You know what I meant...

 

[Rambunctious]

who's heard? If ya don't watch Fox, or read the gateway pundit or infowars.....

we haven't ''heard it''.....

so what is your contention, what in the released memo will make it sting, in your words???

And that is the problem in a nut shell....better to be well rounded if you ask me...

 

[basquebromance]

Nutty Nancy & Shifty Schiff are sayin there have been "changes" made to the memo

This is going to be SO GOOD!

Sorry DEMS, but we trust President Trump & Chairman Nunes over the CRAZY FOOLS you trot out every day!

 

[usmbguest5318]

First:

Because the investigation has already uncovered criminal activity to which the perpetrators have pled guilty and/or been indicted! That pair of facts alone already have proven:

• There was wrongdoing committed by Trump Admin./Campaign personnel
• There were ideas expressed and actions undertaken about which Trump Admin./Campaign personnel felt obliged to lie.

Second:

Because the only ways to "fight back" against a criminal indictment are (1) lying, or (2) presenting a strong legal case that refutes the veracity of the prosecution's assertions, and that must be done in in a courtroom.​

"Because the investigation has already uncovered criminal activity to which the perpetrators have pled guilty and/or been indicted!"

^^^^ Except that Michael Flynn has nothing to do with Russia, Michael Flynn is to do with Turkey. Paul Manafort has nothing to do with Russia, Paul Manafort is to do with Ukraine.

Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you not know that what is colloquially call the "Russia" investigation is in fact the whole of the scope of the investigation Robert Mueller was emplaced to perform?

The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:

1. any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
2. any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
3. any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.​

I don't know what formal legal background you have, but, essentially, the scope statement of that order says

"Go see if there's any 'there, there' regarding the accusations we've heard about coordination between Trump's campaign team and the Russians. And if in the course of conducting that investigation, you find other crimes that appear to have been committed, investigate and, where there's enough evidence to obtain a conviction at trial, prosecute their perpetrators too."​

Because that is the scope of the investigation, nothing pertaining to Russia need be found for the Special Counsel's investigation to have done what it has been tasked with doing.

While it's convenient to call Mueller's investigation the "Russia" investigation, the fact of the matter is that from its inception as an FBI investigation well before Mueller was appointed, its scope was to find criminal activity of any sort, not just criminal activity that involved Russia or Russian state actors/cutouts. Anyone who ignores that reality does so at the risk of showing their naivete.

Insofar as whether Mueller has already successfully identified criminal activity and obtained guilty pleas and indictments as instructed by the order that sat him, all the "fighting back" in the world cannot undo that. The question going forward is how much more successful the investigation will be.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Except Page had a FISA warrant on him since 2013.

True.

I think a lot of people misunderstand the whole situation, which is why both memos should be released.

The Nunes memo reportedly is mostly about the dossier and FISA warrants.
Page was the only Trump team member with a FISA warrant.
As Page had an existing warrant since 2013 that was renewed annually, the dossier could not possibly be the basis for it. It could possibly be a corroborating source but not much else. It certainly doesn't mean the administration misused the court to 'spy' on the Trump campaign.

 

[Billy_Bob]

First:

Because the investigation has already uncovered criminal activity to which the perpetrators have pled guilty and/or been indicted! That pair of facts alone already have proven:

• There was wrongdoing committed by Trump Admin./Campaign personnel
• There were ideas expressed and actions undertaken about which Trump Admin./Campaign personnel felt obliged to lie.

Second:

Because the only ways to "fight back" against a criminal indictment are (1) lying, or (2) presenting a strong legal case that refutes the veracity of the prosecution's assertions, and that must be done in in a courtroom.​

The Bull Shit is strong with this one....

Fruit of the poisonous tree...everything gleaned from the illegal wire taps and anything found due to them is now inadmissible in court... ANY INTERVIEW done due to the information gleaned and any information found in the interview is now garbage...

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Flynn was fired from the administration. Trump actually made him his national security adviser.

You know what I meant...

No, I don't.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

First:

Because the investigation has already uncovered criminal activity to which the perpetrators have pled guilty and/or been indicted! That pair of facts alone already have proven:

• There was wrongdoing committed by Trump Admin./Campaign personnel
• There were ideas expressed and actions undertaken about which Trump Admin./Campaign personnel felt obliged to lie.

Second:

Because the only ways to "fight back" against a criminal indictment are (1) lying, or (2) presenting a strong legal case that refutes the veracity of the prosecution's assertions, and that must be done in in a courtroom.​

The Bull Shit is strong with this one....

Fruit of the poisonous tree...everything gleaned from the illegal wire taps and anything found due to them is now inadmissible in court... ANY INTERVIEW done due to the information gleaned and any information found in the interview is now garbage...

Which illegal wiretap is that?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Except Page had a FISA warrant on him since 2013.

True.

I think a lot of people misunderstand the whole situation, which is why both memos should be released.

The Nunes memo reportedly is mostly about the dossier and FISA warrants.
Page was the only Trump team member with a FISA warrant.
As Page had an existing warrant since 2013 that was renewed annually, the dossier could not possibly be the basis for it. It could possibly be a corroborating source but not much else. It certainly doesn't mean the administration misused the court to 'spy' on the Trump campaign.

You getting your info from CNN again?

 

[Rambunctious]

The Nunes memo reportedly is mostly about the dossier and FISA warrants.
Page was the only Trump team member with a FISA warrant.
As Page had an existing warrant since 2013 that was renewed annually, the dossier could not possibly be the basis for it. It could possibly be a corroborating source but not much else. It certainly doesn't mean the administration misused the court to 'spy' on the Trump campaign.

The memo will show who and why and what was told to the FISA court....what was told to the court and more importantly what was not told to the FISA court...
Obama's DOJ was lying to gain surveillance permission during a national campaign...that is worse than Watergate!