The President Takes Leadership Action Since Republicans Won't!

[OKTexas]

Obama was elected as the 44th President of the United States he was not anointed King Obama the First meaning he does not get to do anything he wants simply because he wants to. Thirteen 9-0 Supreme Court decisions against him is all the proof you need to confirm this.

It takes nothing from the Judicial branch to confirm the President cannot legislate.

There are many lefties on this board that say anything he does is legal unless the court rules otherwise. Of course those are the ones that think the Constitution isn't the supreme law of the land.

 

[Siete]

You seem to forget that a wall was already paid for and the legislation said the Homeland Security Secretary "SHALL BUILD", then along comes your mulatto messiah said not so much and refused to build what was authorized. The motherfucker belongs in jail just for that boneheaded bullshit.

Too many private property interests on the US side objected, until new legislation is enacted however, the President must work within existing law.

The point is he's not and that can not be explained away other that telling it like it is, he thinks he's above the law.

does that mean Congress is above the law if they don't give Obama the 2$ billion he plans to ask them for?

 

[Peach]

Obama was elected as the 44th President of the United States he was not anointed King Obama the First meaning he does not get to do anything he wants simply because he wants to. Thirteen 9-0 Supreme Court decisions against him is all the proof you need to confirm this.

It takes nothing from the Judicial branch to confirm the President cannot legislate.

There are many lefties on this board that say anything he does is legal unless the court rules otherwise. Of course those are the ones that think the Constitution isn't the supreme law of the land.

Still doesn't matter, work withing existing laws, or face litigation. The current laws allow many "exceptions", but until amended, they remain the laws. The US Code prevails.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Here's more proof of why President Obama had to take matters into his own hands and act on immigration since the Do-Nothing Republicans STILL won't budge an inch. But they did shut down the government. So, they can kiss their chances of capturing the White House in 2016 Goodbye. America Won't Forget Their Inaction and the Shut Down of the Government That Caused Many Americans Plenty of Heartaches.

Opinion: GOP left Obama no choice on immigration - CNN.com

President Obama had to take matters into his own hands

He should enforce our laws, seal our borders and send these illegals home.

If he does it quickly and in large enough numbers, parents will keep their children in their home country, instead of sending them on this dangerous journey.

I'll even applaud him for finally doing his job.

 

[OKTexas]

Too many private property interests on the US side objected, until new legislation is enacted however, the President must work within existing law.

The point is he's not and that can not be explained away other that telling it like it is, he thinks he's above the law.

does that mean Congress is above the law if they don't give Obama the 2$ billion he plans to ask them for?

Nope, congress controls the power of the purse, nothing can be spent without their say.

 

[Siete]

Here's more proof of why President Obama had to take matters into his own hands and act on immigration since the Do-Nothing Republicans STILL won't budge an inch. But they did shut down the government. So, they can kiss their chances of capturing the White House in 2016 Goodbye. America Won't Forget Their Inaction and the Shut Down of the Government That Caused Many Americans Plenty of Heartaches.

Opinion: GOP left Obama no choice on immigration - CNN.com

President Obama had to take matters into his own hands

He should enforce our laws, seal our borders and send these illegals home.

If he does it quickly and in large enough numbers, parents will keep their children in their home country, instead of sending them on this dangerous journey.

I'll even applaud him for finally doing his job.

I'll give you one hell yes, and two total impossibilities .... you figure it out

 

[OKTexas]

It takes nothing from the Judicial branch to confirm the President cannot legislate.

There are many lefties on this board that say anything he does is legal unless the court rules otherwise. Of course those are the ones that think the Constitution isn't the supreme law of the land.

Still doesn't matter, work withing existing laws, or face litigation. The current laws allow many "exceptions", but until amended, they remain the laws. The US Code prevails.

In the fence legislation there was no wiggle room, your dear leader chose to ignore it. If you would like to counter, quote the law and tell me where I got it wrong, general statements are meaningless.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Really? So, wasn't he the same guy saying a fence wouldn't work?

How are you going to build a fence on a river, lake, mountain, or through tunnels? And how much will it cost? From Forbes, hardly a left wing site.

It is impossible to pin down exactly, but there are some estimates. In a 2007 study the non-partisan Congressional Research Office pegged the bill to construct and maintain (for 25 years) a 700 mile fence to be $49 billion. This is the same type of double fences contemplated in today’s bill. That was six years ago…..materials and labor prices have increased and then there is my “law of government”……..things always take longer and cost more, usually much more, than they tell us. So what’s the cost today….you pick a number.

And that’s just the beginning. We haven’t tallied the costs for all the new ancillary surveillance paraphernalia; unmanned aerial drones, helicopters, radars, night vision goggles, high tech cameras, airboats, blimps, other high speed power boats, who knows what else…..and then factor all the costs of maintenance on this high tech equipment…..over time it’s well into the billions.

Cuellar: Gary, your points are well taken. When I was on Homeland Security Committee I put forth some simple questions. How much does one mile of fence cost versus one mile of technology (high frequency sensors, etc.) A mile of technology costs $1 million while the fence is many many multiples of that. I then wanted to know if statistics are available that could tell whether technology or fences were more effective at securing our borders.

the bill to construct and maintain (for 25 years) a 700 mile fence to be $49 billion.

$2 billion a year? A bargain!!

We'll save multiples of that just by reducing the number of low-skilled illegals coming in each year.

And if we send back some of the millions already here, we could even make a dent in our idiotically huge deficit.

 

[Siete]

Really? So, wasn't he the same guy saying a fence wouldn't work?

How are you going to build a fence on a river, lake, mountain, or through tunnels? And how much will it cost? From Forbes, hardly a left wing site.

It is impossible to pin down exactly, but there are some estimates. In a 2007 study the non-partisan Congressional Research Office pegged the bill to construct and maintain (for 25 years) a 700 mile fence to be $49 billion. This is the same type of double fences contemplated in today’s bill. That was six years ago…..materials and labor prices have increased and then there is my “law of government”……..things always take longer and cost more, usually much more, than they tell us. So what’s the cost today….you pick a number.

And that’s just the beginning. We haven’t tallied the costs for all the new ancillary surveillance paraphernalia; unmanned aerial drones, helicopters, radars, night vision goggles, high tech cameras, airboats, blimps, other high speed power boats, who knows what else…..and then factor all the costs of maintenance on this high tech equipment…..over time it’s well into the billions.

Cuellar: Gary, your points are well taken. When I was on Homeland Security Committee I put forth some simple questions. How much does one mile of fence cost versus one mile of technology (high frequency sensors, etc.) A mile of technology costs $1 million while the fence is many many multiples of that. I then wanted to know if statistics are available that could tell whether technology or fences were more effective at securing our borders.

the bill to construct and maintain (for 25 years) a 700 mile fence to be $49 billion.

$2 billion a year? A bargain!!

We'll save multiples of that just by reducing the number of low-skilled illegals coming in each year.

And if we send back some of the millions already here, we could even make a dent in our idiotically huge deficit.

2B is to send the kids home ... 49$ eh ? apparently the right is lying when they carp about being broke,,

 

[Redfish]

How are you going to build a fence on a river, lake, mountain, or through tunnels? And how much will it cost? From Forbes, hardly a left wing site.

the bill to construct and maintain (for 25 years) a 700 mile fence to be $49 billion.

$2 billion a year? A bargain!!

We'll save multiples of that just by reducing the number of low-skilled illegals coming in each year.

And if we send back some of the millions already here, we could even make a dent in our idiotically huge deficit.

2B is to send the kids home ... 49$ eh ? apparently the right is lying when they carp about being broke,,

17 trillion in debt, how much debt defines broke?

 

[Kondor3]

Doesn't matter...

Build the goddamned wall...

Send 'em home...

It's still a bargain...

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Here's more proof of why President Obama had to take matters into his own hands and act on immigration since the Do-Nothing Republicans STILL won't budge an inch. But they did shut down the government. So, they can kiss their chances of capturing the White House in 2016 Goodbye. America Won't Forget Their Inaction and the Shut Down of the Government That Caused Many Americans Plenty of Heartaches.

Opinion: GOP left Obama no choice on immigration - CNN.com

Obama does not have the constitutional authority to change immigration laws. If he does, he has violated his oath of office and must be impeached.

There you go again with impeachment silliness. Only the president is not "changing" immigration laws, he's following existing law that Pres. George W. Bush signed when he was in office that protects immigrant children who come into this country. So, don't be accusing the president of anything but doing his job because the Republicans won't. If you have a bone to pick, go talk to the Do-Nothing Lazy Republicans who STILL won't do anything to pass Immigration Reform. In the meantime, many innocent children will suffer due to their inaction. Even Bush could see that those children needed to be protected.

And Gov. Rick Perry (of Texas) is very wrong in what he said when he went before a special committee in McAllen, which is in South Texas about 8 miles from the Mexican border and testified that the children need to be sent back immediately. No, Rick, that's another OOOPS! moment for you. They cannot be sent back once they're here. Bush's law PROTECTS them fully for what could be more than a year or two, possibly more. So, as governor of your red state, Rick, Understand that already!

For more on this issue, please look at the following short article that explains it best:

Law Protects Unaccompanied Children Crossing Border | NBC 7 San Diego

 

[blackhawk]

Obama is not the first President to use executive orders to try and get his way but I remember none trying to take them to the limits he has. People left and right better start worrying about this because if he continues this and gets away with it the next President will use it as a justification to push the use of executive orders even farther and that will keep going until the majority of the power is in the executive branch. When most or all of the power is with one branch of government or one person I believe that would be considered a dictatorship,

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Here's more proof of why President Obama had to take matters into his own hands and act on immigration since the Do-Nothing Republicans STILL won't budge an inch. But they did shut down the government. So, they can kiss their chances of capturing the White House in 2016 Goodbye. America Won't Forget Their Inaction and the Shut Down of the Government That Caused Many Americans Plenty of Heartaches.

Opinion: GOP left Obama no choice on immigration - CNN.com

President Obama had to take matters into his own hands

He should enforce our laws, seal our borders and send these illegals home.

If he does it quickly and in large enough numbers, parents will keep their children in their home country, instead of sending them on this dangerous journey.

I'll even applaud him for finally doing his job.

Only he can't send those illegals home once they're here, thanks to Geo. W. Bush, and here's why:

Law Protects Unaccompanied Children Crossing Border | NBC 7 San Diego

 

[Redfish]

Here's more proof of why President Obama had to take matters into his own hands and act on immigration since the Do-Nothing Republicans STILL won't budge an inch. But they did shut down the government. So, they can kiss their chances of capturing the White House in 2016 Goodbye. America Won't Forget Their Inaction and the Shut Down of the Government That Caused Many Americans Plenty of Heartaches.

Opinion: GOP left Obama no choice on immigration - CNN.com

President Obama had to take matters into his own hands

He should enforce our laws, seal our borders and send these illegals home.

If he does it quickly and in large enough numbers, parents will keep their children in their home country, instead of sending them on this dangerous journey.

I'll even applaud him for finally doing his job.

Only he can't send those illegals home once they're here, thanks to Geo. W. Bush, and here's why:

Law Protects Unaccompanied Children Crossing Border | NBC 7 San Diego

Could he have stopped them from coming in in the first place?

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Really? So, wasn't he the same guy saying a fence wouldn't work? We have immigration laws for a reason! He had plenty of a choice. He could have obeyed the law instead of granting amnesty to millions of illegals. He chose to flout the Constitution, and as a result left himself with no other way out.

This is his own doing.

You're conveniently forgetting that it was Dubya Bush who signed the law to protect immigrant children. The President now has to follow that law and protect the children until the courts rule on what to do with them on a case-by-case basis as per that law.

I'll say this much, at least he had the balls to not make it an executive order.

The president only follows laws he likes, and breaks those he sees as irrelevant. Really? You act as if he is a president who sticks to every letter of the law. Newsflash, he doesn't. Obama's EO enforcing the DREAM Act brought down that deluge upon us, not some stupid law signed by President Bush.

One other thing: Bush isn't the president president anymore. I suggest you snap back to reality.

Hey! It's you who needs to snap back to reality and understand that if the Republicans had passed the Dream Act we might not be seeing this problem as there would be a good pathway to citizenship for many who are here. As for Bush not being president anymore, no, of course he's not however, don't lose sight of the fact that it was HE Who Signed Into Law the law that fully protects immigrant children that now President Obama has to follow as he cannot change that law by Executive Order.

So, Wake Up and Smell the Coffee Already!

Law Protects Unaccompanied Children Crossing Border | NBC 7 San Diego

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Really? So, wasn't he the same guy saying a fence wouldn't work?

How are you going to build a fence on a river, lake, mountain, or through tunnels? And how much will it cost? From Forbes, hardly a left wing site.

It is impossible to pin down exactly, but there are some estimates. In a 2007 study the non-partisan Congressional Research Office pegged the bill to construct and maintain (for 25 years) a 700 mile fence to be $49 billion. This is the same type of double fences contemplated in today’s bill. That was six years ago…..materials and labor prices have increased and then there is my “law of government”……..things always take longer and cost more, usually much more, than they tell us. So what’s the cost today….you pick a number.

And that’s just the beginning. We haven’t tallied the costs for all the new ancillary surveillance paraphernalia; unmanned aerial drones, helicopters, radars, night vision goggles, high tech cameras, airboats, blimps, other high speed power boats, who knows what else…..and then factor all the costs of maintenance on this high tech equipment…..over time it’s well into the billions.

Cuellar: Gary, your points are well taken. When I was on Homeland Security Committee I put forth some simple questions. How much does one mile of fence cost versus one mile of technology (high frequency sensors, etc.) A mile of technology costs $1 million while the fence is many many multiples of that. I then wanted to know if statistics are available that could tell whether technology or fences were more effective at securing our borders.

You seem to forget that a wall was already paid for and the legislation said the Homeland Security Secretary "SHALL BUILD", then along comes your mulatto messiah said not so much and refused to build what was authorized. The motherfucker belongs in jail just for that boneheaded bullshit.

Careful! You are very close to Sedition or right on it!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How are you going to build a fence on a river, lake, mountain, or through tunnels? And how much will it cost? From Forbes, hardly a left wing site.

the bill to construct and maintain (for 25 years) a 700 mile fence to be $49 billion.

$2 billion a year? A bargain!!

We'll save multiples of that just by reducing the number of low-skilled illegals coming in each year.

And if we send back some of the millions already here, we could even make a dent in our idiotically huge deficit.

2B is to send the kids home ... 49$ eh ? apparently the right is lying when they carp about being broke,,

$2 billion to send home a few million illegals?

A bargain! Start today!!!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How are you going to build a fence on a river, lake, mountain, or through tunnels? And how much will it cost? From Forbes, hardly a left wing site.

You seem to forget that a wall was already paid for and the legislation said the Homeland Security Secretary "SHALL BUILD", then along comes your mulatto messiah said not so much and refused to build what was authorized. The motherfucker belongs in jail just for that boneheaded bullshit.

Careful! You are very close to Sedition or right on it!

LOL! Liberal idiot says what?

 

[OKTexas]

How are you going to build a fence on a river, lake, mountain, or through tunnels? And how much will it cost? From Forbes, hardly a left wing site.

You seem to forget that a wall was already paid for and the legislation said the Homeland Security Secretary "SHALL BUILD", then along comes your mulatto messiah said not so much and refused to build what was authorized. The motherfucker belongs in jail just for that boneheaded bullshit.

Careful! You are very close to Sedition or right on it!

Bullshit!