The President with the worst average unemployment rate since World War II is?

[healthmyths]

Bush had solid unemployment levels for most of the time he was President, averaging 5.27%. For most of the time Bush was in office, unemployment was low and people had jobs. That's the record, and its a good one! Most people had jobs or could find one while Bush was President on average. The Unemployment rate was still below 5% at the start of his last year with a labor force participation rate of 66%! That has not been the case while Obama has been sitting in the oval office.


As for creating new jobs, that's easier to do when the economy has bottomed out and your throwing Billions of dollars at the economy to create new ones. You don't need to create many new jobs when the economy is at or near full employment and is staying at the level month after month as the population grows. For the vast majority of Bush's 96 months in office, unemployment was below 6%. No other President in history has as many months of unemployment BELOW 6% as George W. Bush does!

Bush created a total of about 1.2 million jobs in 8 years. And even that nominal gain was thanks to growth in the public sector as the private sector lost jobs under his watch. He actually has the worst record of job creation since Herbert Hoover gave us the Great Depression, which is why averaging out the UR is completely meaningless. The reason it was as low as it was early on is because Clinton handed him an UR of 4.2%. The two best presidents when it came to job growth were Reagan and Clinton. According to your idiocy, Bush was almost as good as Clinton and far better than Reagan.


Keep in mind, Reagan added about 16 million jobs, Clinton added about 23 million jobs, Bush added about 1 million jobs (all public sector).


That you cling to the idiocy that averaging out the UR only reflects desperation to make Obama look bad, when in reality, Obama will be surpassing Reagan in a month or two.

The average unemployment rate per month is the best measure when it comes to quality of life that Americans are experiencing. Sorry, but BUSH will always crush Obama and Reagan when it comes to unemployment figures and what it was like for the average man on the street, month after month, to either keep his job or get a new one. Its easy to create new jobs when the economy has bottomed out. You don't need to create as many new jobs when your at full employment, the challenge then is staying at that level. Bush did a great job of doing that which is why the average level of unemployment under Bush is one of the lowest in U.S. history.


You obviously don't find this meaningless, otherwise your heavy participation in this thread would not exist.


Also, calling other people names does not strengthen your opinions at all and makes you look rather desperate.

Huh? What name did I call you?

And I've demonstrated how meaningless it is.

Carter .......... 10 million jobs
Reagan ........ 16 million jobs
GHWBUSH .... 3 million jobs
Clinton ......... 23 million jobs
Bush ............... 1 million jobs
Obama ........... 8 million jobs

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

That you think Bush is among the best in terms of unemployment reveals how ridiculous your metric is.

And for people like you to totally totally IGNORE this shows how biased you guys are against GWB!
And NO other President had these events occur during that period. Events that really shook the USA and the world. Events NO other President
has ever had to keep the country encouraged. Keep the country enthused about getting up and going to work! These were terrible events.
Events that cost nearly 5,000 lives. Events that costs millions of jobs! Trillions of dollars! Trillions in lost payroll and income taxes!
Think what it must have been like to been one of these people that suffered through 9/11.
a) 3,000 dead, thousands of lives changed forever.
b) No airline traffic for 3 days no flights;
c) No Wall street for 10 days
d) 18,000 businesses loss...businesses that had to either start over or gave up!
e) 2,500,000 job lost. Ongoing uncertainty about the war on terror has contributed to the loss of more than 2.5 million jobs in the 18 months following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, said John A. Challenger, CEO of Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
Job losses since 9/11 attacks top 2.5 million

And had Bush tried something ... anything ... maybe he could have prevented 9.11 and saved those 3,000 lives and 2.5 million jobs. Thanks for pointing out what a monumental failure Bush was.

Obviously you ignored this :
Gorelick Memo that created the wall between FBI & CIA thus no knowledge of the 9/11 bombers shared with the FBI!!!
looks especially imprudent 10 years later.
1995 memo she wrote, stated explicitly that they would “go beyond what is legally required, [to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.” GORELICK WALL!
Here read what NOT my words but other sources:
Jamie Gorelick’s wall barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation shortly before 9/11.

At the time, an enraged FBI investigator wrote a prophetic memo to headquarters about the wall
Whatever has happened to this — someday someone will die — and wall or not — the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems…..especially since the biggest threat to us UBL [Usama bin Laden], is getting the most protection.
So, a year before the 9/11 attacks, a special unit in the U.S. military was aware of the presence of an al-Queda cell in Brooklyn, New York, and sought to share its information with the FBI but was stopped cold.Why?Because (as described in the April 16, 2004 Washington Times piece) “on March 4, 1995, [Jamie Gorelick, the then number 2 official in the Clinton Justice Department, sent a 4-page directive] to FBI Director Louis Freeh and Mary Jo White, the New York-based U.S. attorney investigating the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. In the memo, Ms. Gorelick ordered Mr. Freeh and Ms. White to follow information-sharing procedures that ‘go beyond what is legally required,’ in order to avoid ‘any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance’ that the Justice Department was using Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants, instead of ordinary criminal investigative procedures, in an effort to undermine the civil liberties of terrorism suspects.”

Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? The Gorelick Memo and What We Knew


Then of course YOU totally ignored the Dot.com bust and the Anthrax attacks And the worst hurricane seasons! All again
Bush's fault???

 

[healthmyths]

The average unemployment rate per month is the best measure when it comes to quality of life that Americans are experiencing. Sorry, but BUSH will always crush Obama and Reagan when it comes to unemployment figures and what it was like for the average man on the street, month after month, to either keep his job or get a new one. Its easy to create new jobs when the economy has bottomed out. You don't need to create as many new jobs when your at full employment, the challenge then is staying at that level. Bush did a great job of doing that which is why the average level of unemployment under Bush is one of the lowest in U.S. history.

That is pure hogwash!

Bush's average is low only because of the super strong economy Clinton handed him and it took a long time for Bush to destroy such a strong economy. Clinton averaged 4% UE for the entire year before Bush came to power. Bush nearly doubled the UE rate and did double the number of unemployed from 6 million to 12 million and skyrocketing when he left! Obama has more people working today than ever in the history of this great country and has reduced the number of unemployed to under 8 million from Bush's 12+ million.

That is why you must ride Clinton's economic coattails and use averages to polish Bush's economic turd because he took the economy in the wrong DIRECTION and Obama has turned the economy back in the direction of growth again.

Totally IGNORED these FACTS!!!
And NO other President had these events occur during that period. Events that really shook the USA and the world. Events NO other President has ever had to keep the country encouraged. Keep the country enthused about getting up and going to work! These were terrible events.
Events that cost nearly 5,000 lives. Events that costs millions of jobs! Trillions of dollars! Trillions in lost payroll and income taxes!
Think what it must have been like to been one of these people that suffered through 9/11.
a) 3,000 dead, thousands of lives changed forever.
b) No airline traffic for 3 days no flights;
c) No Wall street for 10 days
d) 18,000 businesses loss...businesses that had to either start over or gave up!
e) 2,500,000 job lost. Ongoing uncertainty about the war on terror has contributed to the loss of more than 2.5 million jobs in the 18 months following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, said John A. Challenger, CEO of Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
Job losses since 9/11 attacks top 2.5 million

 

[U2Edge]

The average unemployment rate per month is the best measure when it comes to quality of life that Americans are experiencing. Sorry, but BUSH will always crush Obama and Reagan when it comes to unemployment figures and what it was like for the average man on the street, month after month, to either keep his job or get a new one. Its easy to create new jobs when the economy has bottomed out. You don't need to create as many new jobs when your at full employment, the challenge then is staying at that level. Bush did a great job of doing that which is why the average level of unemployment under Bush is one of the lowest in U.S. history.

That is pure hogwash!

Bush's average is low only because of the super strong economy Clinton handed him and it took a long time for Bush to destroy such a strong economy. Clinton averaged 4% UE for the entire year before Bush came to power. Bush nearly doubled the UE rate and did double the number of unemployed from 6 million to 12 million and skyrocketing when he left! Obama has more people working today than ever in the history of this great country and has reduced the number of unemployed to under 8 million from Bush's 12+ million.

That is why you must ride Clinton's economic coattails and use averages to polish Bush's economic turd because he took the economy in the wrong DIRECTION and Obama has turned the economy back in the direction of growth again.

Sorry, but it doesn't work like that. 8 years, 96 months is a long time. A lot of things happen. What you seem to be ignorant of is that within 2 years of Bush getting into office, there was a recession and a rise in unemployment to 6.3%. But that level was brought back down to 4.4%, a very low rate and stayed below 5% for a consistent solid two years. Clinton had nothing to do with any of that.

The record is the record and the fact remains that George W. Bush's average unemployment rate of 5.27% is superior to Obama's current average of 7.92% which is the worst average unemployment rate of any President since World War II!

 

[healthmyths]

Reasons for War: Things you might have forgotten about Iraq.
And for those of you that TRULY were asleep at the wheel blaming Bush for LYING about Iraq's WMDs..... PLEASE review what
THESE Democrats were calling for BEFORE BUSH was President!

"Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
President Clinton, Jan. 27, 1998.

"It is essential that a dictator like Saddam not be allowed to evade international strictures and wield frightening weapons of mass destruction. As long as UNSCOM is prevented from carrying out its mission, the effort to monitor Iraqi compliance with Resolution 687 becomes a dangerous shell game. Neither the United States nor the global community can afford to allow Saddam Hussein to continue on this path."
Sen. Tom Daschle (D, SD), Feb. 12, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeleine Albright, Feb. 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb. 18, 1998.

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeleine Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

 

[healthmyths]

The average unemployment rate per month is the best measure when it comes to quality of life that Americans are experiencing. Sorry, but BUSH will always crush Obama and Reagan when it comes to unemployment figures and what it was like for the average man on the street, month after month, to either keep his job or get a new one. Its easy to create new jobs when the economy has bottomed out. You don't need to create as many new jobs when your at full employment, the challenge then is staying at that level. Bush did a great job of doing that which is why the average level of unemployment under Bush is one of the lowest in U.S. history.

That is pure hogwash!

Bush's average is low only because of the super strong economy Clinton handed him and it took a long time for Bush to destroy such a strong economy. Clinton averaged 4% UE for the entire year before Bush came to power. Bush nearly doubled the UE rate and did double the number of unemployed from 6 million to 12 million and skyrocketing when he left! Obama has more people working today than ever in the history of this great country and has reduced the number of unemployed to under 8 million from Bush's 12+ million.

That is why you must ride Clinton's economic coattails and use averages to polish Bush's economic turd because he took the economy in the wrong DIRECTION and Obama has turned the economy back in the direction of growth again.

Sorry, but it doesn't work like that. 8 years, 96 months is a long time. A lot of things happen. What you seem to be ignorant of is that within 2 years of Bush getting into office, there was a recession and a rise in unemployment to 6.3%. But that level was brought back down to 4.4%, a very low rate and stayed below 5% for a consistent solid two years. Clinton had nothing to do with any of that.

The record is the record and the fact remains that George W. Bush's average unemployment rate of 5.27% is superior to Obama's current average of 7.92% which is the worst average unemployment rate of any President since World War II!

And Obama told us he was going to make Businesses pay which in turn bankrupts businesses, which in turn makes unemployed people!

So, if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can – it’s just that it will bankrupt them.”
He proudly proclaims he wants to put 1,400 companies out of business. He wants 450,000 people unemployed. He wants $100 billion in tax revenue to disappear. He said that when he said: "I prefer single payer health system." So what does he think will happen to those companies?
He
1)told Brazil to develop oil and that the USA will be their best customer?
"backed by USA funds lending $2 billion to the Soros' 22% ownership of Brazil's Petrobras!
Petrobras wants to drill (32,810 feet) of ocean and sub-sea rock in Carioca, an offshore field with
33 billion barrels. "
- Bloomberg
2) Encourage foreign drilling OFF Florida by Cuba
3) Encourage Canada to sell almost 1 million barrels per day to China?
4) Obama signed almost 50% fewer oil finding leases on Federal lands.
This is the ONLY real executive action any President can have on INCREASING production which would INCREASE supplies and Obama ....
a) In 6 years new leases under Obama..........9,922 new leases..
b) In 8 years new leases under Bush...........23,569 new leases!
Oil and Gas Statistics
And so in doing all these anti-business statements and efforts... we do have more people out of work.

How Obama Is Keeping Small Businesses Down
Obama said he would help small businesses out, but it hasn't happened yet.
As for new regulations that are crushing small businesses, the evidence is everywhere. A recent survey of small banks conducted by the Mercatus Center at George Mason found that "many respondents expressed frustration at how the rules would affect their ability to continue offering customers products that had worked well for both the bank and the customers.” These small banks talk of the implementation of the Dodd-Frank financial reform law of 2010 as a “maddening pace of illogical and unnecessary regulation” that would not have prevented the 2008 financial collapse.
How Obama Is Keeping Small Businesses Down

 

[Faun]

Finally, it does not matter why it went down, only that it benefits Obama's unemployment numbers in a way that other Presidents on the list did not experience.

How so? Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford all had lower LFPR than Obama.

It masked the true strength of the economy. Its much easier to have 5% unemployment when the labor force participation rate is 62% than it is to have 5% unemployment when the labor force participation rate is 66%.

I'm sorry, that makes no sense. Let's say the Labor Force is 100,000,000. 5 million is still 5 million regardless of whether the population is 161,290,000 or 151,515,000. Why do you think it makes a difference?

Typically, the trend during Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Ford was that of a RISING Labor Force participation rate, especially as more women entered the workforce. So the economy had to produce more jobs to meet the influx of people into the workforce.

The decline of the labor force participation rate since Obama has been President is the MOST RAPID and consistent rate of decline for the labor force participation rate since World War II!

Here is why the labor force participation rate makes a difference. Say the labor force has 100 people with 10% unemployed. That means 90 people have jobs and 10 are looking waiting for a job to open up, for 10% unemployment. If 9 people leave, your left with a labor force of 91 people of which only 1 is unemployed. So the unemployment rate is now only 1.1% instead of 10% thanks to the labor force shrinking.

Everyone knows when the number of applicants gets smaller relative to the number of job openings, everyone has a better chance of landing a job. Its easier to make sure everyone is set up with a job when the number of people looking for a job is smaller. You'll have a harder time making sure everyone gets a job when the number of job seekers increase relative to the number of jobs.

In your example, 5 of those 9 people to leave the work force are retiring baby boomers, two more going on disability, and another is a student choosing school over work.

You then claim had all 9 looked for work, not one of them can find a job -- a claim challenged that you've failed to prove.

 

[Faun]

Bush created a total of about 1.2 million jobs in 8 years. And even that nominal gain was thanks to growth in the public sector as the private sector lost jobs under his watch. He actually has the worst record of job creation since Herbert Hoover gave us the Great Depression, which is why averaging out the UR is completely meaningless. The reason it was as low as it was early on is because Clinton handed him an UR of 4.2%. The two best presidents when it came to job growth were Reagan and Clinton. According to your idiocy, Bush was almost as good as Clinton and far better than Reagan.


Keep in mind, Reagan added about 16 million jobs, Clinton added about 23 million jobs, Bush added about 1 million jobs (all public sector).


That you cling to the idiocy that averaging out the UR only reflects desperation to make Obama look bad, when in reality, Obama will be surpassing Reagan in a month or two.

The average unemployment rate per month is the best measure when it comes to quality of life that Americans are experiencing. Sorry, but BUSH will always crush Obama and Reagan when it comes to unemployment figures and what it was like for the average man on the street, month after month, to either keep his job or get a new one. Its easy to create new jobs when the economy has bottomed out. You don't need to create as many new jobs when your at full employment, the challenge then is staying at that level. Bush did a great job of doing that which is why the average level of unemployment under Bush is one of the lowest in U.S. history.


You obviously don't find this meaningless, otherwise your heavy participation in this thread would not exist.


Also, calling other people names does not strengthen your opinions at all and makes you look rather desperate.

Huh? What name did I call you?

And I've demonstrated how meaningless it is.

Carter .......... 10 million jobs
Reagan ........ 16 million jobs
GHWBUSH .... 3 million jobs
Clinton ......... 23 million jobs
Bush ............... 1 million jobs
Obama ........... 8 million jobs

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

That you think Bush is among the best in terms of unemployment reveals how ridiculous your metric is.

And for people like you to totally totally IGNORE this shows how biased you guys are against GWB!
And NO other President had these events occur during that period. Events that really shook the USA and the world. Events NO other President
has ever had to keep the country encouraged. Keep the country enthused about getting up and going to work! These were terrible events.
Events that cost nearly 5,000 lives. Events that costs millions of jobs! Trillions of dollars! Trillions in lost payroll and income taxes!
Think what it must have been like to been one of these people that suffered through 9/11.
a) 3,000 dead, thousands of lives changed forever.
b) No airline traffic for 3 days no flights;
c) No Wall street for 10 days
d) 18,000 businesses loss...businesses that had to either start over or gave up!
e) 2,500,000 job lost. Ongoing uncertainty about the war on terror has contributed to the loss of more than 2.5 million jobs in the 18 months following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, said John A. Challenger, CEO of Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
Job losses since 9/11 attacks top 2.5 million

And had Bush tried something ... anything ... maybe he could have prevented 9.11 and saved those 3,000 lives and 2.5 million jobs. Thanks for pointing out what a monumental failure Bush was.

The American people looked at his response to 9/11 and re-elected him as President of the United States with the first majority in the popular vote since 1988, 16 years!

Where did I say anything about his response? I was talking about his actions before the attack, not after. Cute how you switched that up.

 

[healthmyths]

The average unemployment rate per month is the best measure when it comes to quality of life that Americans are experiencing. Sorry, but BUSH will always crush Obama and Reagan when it comes to unemployment figures and what it was like for the average man on the street, month after month, to either keep his job or get a new one. Its easy to create new jobs when the economy has bottomed out. You don't need to create as many new jobs when your at full employment, the challenge then is staying at that level. Bush did a great job of doing that which is why the average level of unemployment under Bush is one of the lowest in U.S. history.


You obviously don't find this meaningless, otherwise your heavy participation in this thread would not exist.


Also, calling other people names does not strengthen your opinions at all and makes you look rather desperate.

Huh? What name did I call you?

And I've demonstrated how meaningless it is.

Carter .......... 10 million jobs
Reagan ........ 16 million jobs
GHWBUSH .... 3 million jobs
Clinton ......... 23 million jobs
Bush ............... 1 million jobs
Obama ........... 8 million jobs

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

That you think Bush is among the best in terms of unemployment reveals how ridiculous your metric is.

And for people like you to totally totally IGNORE this shows how biased you guys are against GWB!
And NO other President had these events occur during that period. Events that really shook the USA and the world. Events NO other President
has ever had to keep the country encouraged. Keep the country enthused about getting up and going to work! These were terrible events.
Events that cost nearly 5,000 lives. Events that costs millions of jobs! Trillions of dollars! Trillions in lost payroll and income taxes!
Think what it must have been like to been one of these people that suffered through 9/11.
a) 3,000 dead, thousands of lives changed forever.
b) No airline traffic for 3 days no flights;
c) No Wall street for 10 days
d) 18,000 businesses loss...businesses that had to either start over or gave up!
e) 2,500,000 job lost. Ongoing uncertainty about the war on terror has contributed to the loss of more than 2.5 million jobs in the 18 months following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, said John A. Challenger, CEO of Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
Job losses since 9/11 attacks top 2.5 million

And had Bush tried something ... anything ... maybe he could have prevented 9.11 and saved those 3,000 lives and 2.5 million jobs. Thanks for pointing out what a monumental failure Bush was.

The American people looked at his response to 9/11 and re-elected him as President of the United States with the first majority in the popular vote since 1988, 16 years!

Where did I say anything about his response? I was talking about his actions before the attack, not after. Cute how you switched that up.

Look there is nothing "cute" about 9/11. About hurricanes. About dot.com bust.
All of those above events WERE NOT foreseen nor preventable by Bush ...maybe the Messiah Obama but not by mortal beings.
MY point of reminding people is to understand WHERE the country was heading IF GWB hadn't been the President by say
our moribund, "blame America" President Obama!

The problem is the majority of people that have this anti-Bush attitude don't seem to realize the role the MSM played in building
this anti-Bush attitude.

 

[Faun]

Bush created a total of about 1.2 million jobs in 8 years. And even that nominal gain was thanks to growth in the public sector as the private sector lost jobs under his watch. He actually has the worst record of job creation since Herbert Hoover gave us the Great Depression, which is why averaging out the UR is completely meaningless. The reason it was as low as it was early on is because Clinton handed him an UR of 4.2%. The two best presidents when it came to job growth were Reagan and Clinton. According to your idiocy, Bush was almost as good as Clinton and far better than Reagan.


Keep in mind, Reagan added about 16 million jobs, Clinton added about 23 million jobs, Bush added about 1 million jobs (all public sector).


That you cling to the idiocy that averaging out the UR only reflects desperation to make Obama look bad, when in reality, Obama will be surpassing Reagan in a month or two.

The average unemployment rate per month is the best measure when it comes to quality of life that Americans are experiencing. Sorry, but BUSH will always crush Obama and Reagan when it comes to unemployment figures and what it was like for the average man on the street, month after month, to either keep his job or get a new one. Its easy to create new jobs when the economy has bottomed out. You don't need to create as many new jobs when your at full employment, the challenge then is staying at that level. Bush did a great job of doing that which is why the average level of unemployment under Bush is one of the lowest in U.S. history.


You obviously don't find this meaningless, otherwise your heavy participation in this thread would not exist.


Also, calling other people names does not strengthen your opinions at all and makes you look rather desperate.

Huh? What name did I call you?

And I've demonstrated how meaningless it is.

Carter .......... 10 million jobs
Reagan ........ 16 million jobs
GHWBUSH .... 3 million jobs
Clinton ......... 23 million jobs
Bush ............... 1 million jobs
Obama ........... 8 million jobs

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

That you think Bush is among the best in terms of unemployment reveals how ridiculous your metric is.

And for people like you to totally totally IGNORE this shows how biased you guys are against GWB!
And NO other President had these events occur during that period. Events that really shook the USA and the world. Events NO other President
has ever had to keep the country encouraged. Keep the country enthused about getting up and going to work! These were terrible events.
Events that cost nearly 5,000 lives. Events that costs millions of jobs! Trillions of dollars! Trillions in lost payroll and income taxes!
Think what it must have been like to been one of these people that suffered through 9/11.
a) 3,000 dead, thousands of lives changed forever.
b) No airline traffic for 3 days no flights;
c) No Wall street for 10 days
d) 18,000 businesses loss...businesses that had to either start over or gave up!
e) 2,500,000 job lost. Ongoing uncertainty about the war on terror has contributed to the loss of more than 2.5 million jobs in the 18 months following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, said John A. Challenger, CEO of Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
Job losses since 9/11 attacks top 2.5 million

And had Bush tried something ... anything ... maybe he could have prevented 9.11 and saved those 3,000 lives and 2.5 million jobs. Thanks for pointing out what a monumental failure Bush was.

Obviously you ignored this :
Gorelick Memo that created the wall between FBI & CIA thus no knowledge of the 9/11 bombers shared with the FBI!!!
looks especially imprudent 10 years later.
1995 memo she wrote, stated explicitly that they would “go beyond what is legally required, [to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.” GORELICK WALL!
Here read what NOT my words but other sources:
Jamie Gorelick’s wall barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation shortly before 9/11.

At the time, an enraged FBI investigator wrote a prophetic memo to headquarters about the wall
Whatever has happened to this — someday someone will die — and wall or not — the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems…..especially since the biggest threat to us UBL [Usama bin Laden], is getting the most protection.
So, a year before the 9/11 attacks, a special unit in the U.S. military was aware of the presence of an al-Queda cell in Brooklyn, New York, and sought to share its information with the FBI but was stopped cold.Why?Because (as described in the April 16, 2004 Washington Times piece) “on March 4, 1995, [Jamie Gorelick, the then number 2 official in the Clinton Justice Department, sent a 4-page directive] to FBI Director Louis Freeh and Mary Jo White, the New York-based U.S. attorney investigating the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. In the memo, Ms. Gorelick ordered Mr. Freeh and Ms. White to follow information-sharing procedures that ‘go beyond what is legally required,’ in order to avoid ‘any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance’ that the Justice Department was using Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants, instead of ordinary criminal investigative procedures, in an effort to undermine the civil liberties of terrorism suspects.”

Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? The Gorelick Memo and What We Knew


Then of course YOU totally ignored the Dot.com bust and the Anthrax attacks And the worst hurricane seasons! All again
Bush's fault???

Too stupid. The Gorelick wall did not prevent Bush from taking action. Something. Anything. Maybe some action could have prevented 9.11.

 

[Faun]

Huh? What name did I call you?

And I've demonstrated how meaningless it is.

Carter .......... 10 million jobs
Reagan ........ 16 million jobs
GHWBUSH .... 3 million jobs
Clinton ......... 23 million jobs
Bush ............... 1 million jobs
Obama ........... 8 million jobs

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

That you think Bush is among the best in terms of unemployment reveals how ridiculous your metric is.

And for people like you to totally totally IGNORE this shows how biased you guys are against GWB!
And NO other President had these events occur during that period. Events that really shook the USA and the world. Events NO other President
has ever had to keep the country encouraged. Keep the country enthused about getting up and going to work! These were terrible events.
Events that cost nearly 5,000 lives. Events that costs millions of jobs! Trillions of dollars! Trillions in lost payroll and income taxes!
Think what it must have been like to been one of these people that suffered through 9/11.
a) 3,000 dead, thousands of lives changed forever.
b) No airline traffic for 3 days no flights;
c) No Wall street for 10 days
d) 18,000 businesses loss...businesses that had to either start over or gave up!
e) 2,500,000 job lost. Ongoing uncertainty about the war on terror has contributed to the loss of more than 2.5 million jobs in the 18 months following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, said John A. Challenger, CEO of Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
Job losses since 9/11 attacks top 2.5 million

And had Bush tried something ... anything ... maybe he could have prevented 9.11 and saved those 3,000 lives and 2.5 million jobs. Thanks for pointing out what a monumental failure Bush was.

The American people looked at his response to 9/11 and re-elected him as President of the United States with the first majority in the popular vote since 1988, 16 years!

Where did I say anything about his response? I was talking about his actions before the attack, not after. Cute how you switched that up.

Look there is nothing "cute" about 9/11. About hurricanes. About dot.com bust.
All of those above events WERE NOT foreseen nor preventable by Bush ...maybe the Messiah Obama but not by mortal beings.
MY point of reminding people is to understand WHERE the country was heading IF GWB hadn't been the President by say
our moribund, "blame America" President Obama!

The problem is the majority of people that have this anti-Bush attitude don't seem to realize the role the MSM played in building
this anti-Bush attitude.

All those events combined pale in comparison to the Great Recession Bush dumped on Obama.

 

[healthmyths]

And for people like you to totally totally IGNORE this shows how biased you guys are against GWB!
And NO other President had these events occur during that period. Events that really shook the USA and the world. Events NO other President
has ever had to keep the country encouraged. Keep the country enthused about getting up and going to work! These were terrible events.
Events that cost nearly 5,000 lives. Events that costs millions of jobs! Trillions of dollars! Trillions in lost payroll and income taxes!
Think what it must have been like to been one of these people that suffered through 9/11.
a) 3,000 dead, thousands of lives changed forever.
b) No airline traffic for 3 days no flights;
c) No Wall street for 10 days
d) 18,000 businesses loss...businesses that had to either start over or gave up!
e) 2,500,000 job lost. Ongoing uncertainty about the war on terror has contributed to the loss of more than 2.5 million jobs in the 18 months following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, said John A. Challenger, CEO of Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
Job losses since 9/11 attacks top 2.5 million

And had Bush tried something ... anything ... maybe he could have prevented 9.11 and saved those 3,000 lives and 2.5 million jobs. Thanks for pointing out what a monumental failure Bush was.

The American people looked at his response to 9/11 and re-elected him as President of the United States with the first majority in the popular vote since 1988, 16 years!

Where did I say anything about his response? I was talking about his actions before the attack, not after. Cute how you switched that up.

Look there is nothing "cute" about 9/11. About hurricanes. About dot.com bust.
All of those above events WERE NOT foreseen nor preventable by Bush ...maybe the Messiah Obama but not by mortal beings.
MY point of reminding people is to understand WHERE the country was heading IF GWB hadn't been the President by say
our moribund, "blame America" President Obama!

The problem is the majority of people that have this anti-Bush attitude don't seem to realize the role the MSM played in building
this anti-Bush attitude.

All those events combined pale in comparison to the Great Recession Bush dumped on Obama.

YOU ARE diminishing 5,000 people's DEATHS!
YOU ARE DIMINISHING 2.5 million jobs directly related to 9/11!
YOU ARE DIMINISHING the affects of the hurricanes on people's lives!
My goodness YOU are so far up Obama's anus it really really is disgusting!
What is WORSE is Obama WANTS unemployment or WHY else would this ignorant President say and DO such destructive
acts to dismantle American businesses ON PURPOSE!!

Obama said"So, if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can – it’s just that it will bankrupt them.”
He proudly proclaims he wants to put 1,400 companies out of business. He wants 450,000 people unemployed. He wants $100 billion in tax revenue to disappear. He said that when he said: "I prefer single payer health system." So what does he think will happen to those companies?
Obama wants foreign oil dependency!
1)told Brazil to develop oil and that the USA will be their best customer?
"backed by USA funds lending $2 billion to the Soros' 22% ownership of Brazil's Petrobras!
Petrobras wants to drill (32,810 feet) of ocean and sub-sea rock in Carioca, an offshore field with
33 billion barrels. "
- Bloomberg
2) Encourage foreign drilling OFF Florida by Cuba
3) Encourage Canada to sell almost 1 million barrels per day to China?
4) Obama signed almost 50% fewer oil finding leases on Federal lands.
This is the ONLY real executive action any President can have on INCREASING production which would INCREASE supplies and Obama ....
a) In 6 years new leases under Obama..........9,922 new leases..
b) In 8 years new leases under Bush...........23,569 new leases!
Oil and Gas Statistics
And so in doing all these anti-business statements and efforts... we do have more people out of work.

How Obama Is Keeping Small Businesses Down
Obama said he would help small businesses out, but it hasn't happened yet.
As for new regulations that are crushing small businesses, the evidence is everywhere. A recent survey of small banks conducted by the Mercatus Center at George Mason found that "many respondents expressed frustration at how the rules would affect their ability to continue offering customers products that had worked well for both the bank and the customers.” These small banks talk of the implementation of the Dodd-Frank financial reform law of 2010 as a “maddening pace of illogical and unnecessary regulation” that would not have prevented the 2008 financial collapse.
How Obama Is Keeping Small Businesses Down

 

[U2Edge]

The average unemployment rate per month is the best measure when it comes to quality of life that Americans are experiencing. Sorry, but BUSH will always crush Obama and Reagan when it comes to unemployment figures and what it was like for the average man on the street, month after month, to either keep his job or get a new one. Its easy to create new jobs when the economy has bottomed out. You don't need to create as many new jobs when your at full employment, the challenge then is staying at that level. Bush did a great job of doing that which is why the average level of unemployment under Bush is one of the lowest in U.S. history.


You obviously don't find this meaningless, otherwise your heavy participation in this thread would not exist.


Also, calling other people names does not strengthen your opinions at all and makes you look rather desperate.

Huh? What name did I call you?

And I've demonstrated how meaningless it is.

Carter .......... 10 million jobs
Reagan ........ 16 million jobs
GHWBUSH .... 3 million jobs
Clinton ......... 23 million jobs
Bush ............... 1 million jobs
Obama ........... 8 million jobs

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

That you think Bush is among the best in terms of unemployment reveals how ridiculous your metric is.

And for people like you to totally totally IGNORE this shows how biased you guys are against GWB!
And NO other President had these events occur during that period. Events that really shook the USA and the world. Events NO other President
has ever had to keep the country encouraged. Keep the country enthused about getting up and going to work! These were terrible events.
Events that cost nearly 5,000 lives. Events that costs millions of jobs! Trillions of dollars! Trillions in lost payroll and income taxes!
Think what it must have been like to been one of these people that suffered through 9/11.
a) 3,000 dead, thousands of lives changed forever.
b) No airline traffic for 3 days no flights;
c) No Wall street for 10 days
d) 18,000 businesses loss...businesses that had to either start over or gave up!
e) 2,500,000 job lost. Ongoing uncertainty about the war on terror has contributed to the loss of more than 2.5 million jobs in the 18 months following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, said John A. Challenger, CEO of Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
Job losses since 9/11 attacks top 2.5 million

And had Bush tried something ... anything ... maybe he could have prevented 9.11 and saved those 3,000 lives and 2.5 million jobs. Thanks for pointing out what a monumental failure Bush was.

Obviously you ignored this :
Gorelick Memo that created the wall between FBI & CIA thus no knowledge of the 9/11 bombers shared with the FBI!!!
looks especially imprudent 10 years later.
1995 memo she wrote, stated explicitly that they would “go beyond what is legally required, [to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.” GORELICK WALL!
Here read what NOT my words but other sources:
Jamie Gorelick’s wall barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation shortly before 9/11.

At the time, an enraged FBI investigator wrote a prophetic memo to headquarters about the wall
Whatever has happened to this — someday someone will die — and wall or not — the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems…..especially since the biggest threat to us UBL [Usama bin Laden], is getting the most protection.
So, a year before the 9/11 attacks, a special unit in the U.S. military was aware of the presence of an al-Queda cell in Brooklyn, New York, and sought to share its information with the FBI but was stopped cold.Why?Because (as described in the April 16, 2004 Washington Times piece) “on March 4, 1995, [Jamie Gorelick, the then number 2 official in the Clinton Justice Department, sent a 4-page directive] to FBI Director Louis Freeh and Mary Jo White, the New York-based U.S. attorney investigating the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. In the memo, Ms. Gorelick ordered Mr. Freeh and Ms. White to follow information-sharing procedures that ‘go beyond what is legally required,’ in order to avoid ‘any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance’ that the Justice Department was using Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants, instead of ordinary criminal investigative procedures, in an effort to undermine the civil liberties of terrorism suspects.”

Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? The Gorelick Memo and What We Knew


Then of course YOU totally ignored the Dot.com bust and the Anthrax attacks And the worst hurricane seasons! All again
Bush's fault???

Too stupid. The Gorelick wall did not prevent Bush from taking action. Something. Anything. Maybe some action could have prevented 9.11.

Bill Clinton should have invaded Afghanistan in 1998 instead of just firing Cruise Missiles which only ended up redistributing some dirt in Afghanistan. Bill Clinton left the Taliban, Al Quada, and SADDAM for Bush to deal with.

 

[Faun]

And had Bush tried something ... anything ... maybe he could have prevented 9.11 and saved those 3,000 lives and 2.5 million jobs. Thanks for pointing out what a monumental failure Bush was.

The American people looked at his response to 9/11 and re-elected him as President of the United States with the first majority in the popular vote since 1988, 16 years!

Where did I say anything about his response? I was talking about his actions before the attack, not after. Cute how you switched that up.

Look there is nothing "cute" about 9/11. About hurricanes. About dot.com bust.
All of those above events WERE NOT foreseen nor preventable by Bush ...maybe the Messiah Obama but not by mortal beings.
MY point of reminding people is to understand WHERE the country was heading IF GWB hadn't been the President by say
our moribund, "blame America" President Obama!

The problem is the majority of people that have this anti-Bush attitude don't seem to realize the role the MSM played in building
this anti-Bush attitude.

All those events combined pale in comparison to the Great Recession Bush dumped on Obama.

YOU ARE diminishing 5,000 people's DEATHS!
YOU ARE DIMINISHING 2.5 million jobs directly related to 9/11!
YOU ARE DIMINISHING the affects of the hurricanes on people's lives!
My goodness YOU are so far up Obama's anus it really really is disgusting!
What is WORSE is Obama WANTS unemployment or WHY else would this ignorant President say and DO such destructive
acts to dismantle American businesses ON PURPOSE!!

Obama said"So, if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can – it’s just that it will bankrupt them.”
He proudly proclaims he wants to put 1,400 companies out of business. He wants 450,000 people unemployed. He wants $100 billion in tax revenue to disappear. He said that when he said: "I prefer single payer health system." So what does he think will happen to those companies?
Obama wants foreign oil dependency!
1)told Brazil to develop oil and that the USA will be their best customer?
"backed by USA funds lending $2 billion to the Soros' 22% ownership of Brazil's Petrobras!
Petrobras wants to drill (32,810 feet) of ocean and sub-sea rock in Carioca, an offshore field with
33 billion barrels. "
- Bloomberg
2) Encourage foreign drilling OFF Florida by Cuba
3) Encourage Canada to sell almost 1 million barrels per day to China?
4) Obama signed almost 50% fewer oil finding leases on Federal lands.
This is the ONLY real executive action any President can have on INCREASING production which would INCREASE supplies and Obama ....
a) In 6 years new leases under Obama..........9,922 new leases..
b) In 8 years new leases under Bush...........23,569 new leases!
Oil and Gas Statistics
And so in doing all these anti-business statements and efforts... we do have more people out of work.

How Obama Is Keeping Small Businesses Down
Obama said he would help small businesses out, but it hasn't happened yet.
As for new regulations that are crushing small businesses, the evidence is everywhere. A recent survey of small banks conducted by the Mercatus Center at George Mason found that "many respondents expressed frustration at how the rules would affect their ability to continue offering customers products that had worked well for both the bank and the customers.” These small banks talk of the implementation of the Dodd-Frank financial reform law of 2010 as a “maddening pace of illogical and unnecessary regulation” that would not have prevented the 2008 financial collapse.
How Obama Is Keeping Small Businesses Down

Notice how you can't refute the reality that the Great Recession dwarfs all those events combined.

 

[Faun]

Huh? What name did I call you?

And I've demonstrated how meaningless it is.

Carter .......... 10 million jobs
Reagan ........ 16 million jobs
GHWBUSH .... 3 million jobs
Clinton ......... 23 million jobs
Bush ............... 1 million jobs
Obama ........... 8 million jobs

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

That you think Bush is among the best in terms of unemployment reveals how ridiculous your metric is.

And for people like you to totally totally IGNORE this shows how biased you guys are against GWB!
And NO other President had these events occur during that period. Events that really shook the USA and the world. Events NO other President
has ever had to keep the country encouraged. Keep the country enthused about getting up and going to work! These were terrible events.
Events that cost nearly 5,000 lives. Events that costs millions of jobs! Trillions of dollars! Trillions in lost payroll and income taxes!
Think what it must have been like to been one of these people that suffered through 9/11.
a) 3,000 dead, thousands of lives changed forever.
b) No airline traffic for 3 days no flights;
c) No Wall street for 10 days
d) 18,000 businesses loss...businesses that had to either start over or gave up!
e) 2,500,000 job lost. Ongoing uncertainty about the war on terror has contributed to the loss of more than 2.5 million jobs in the 18 months following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, said John A. Challenger, CEO of Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
Job losses since 9/11 attacks top 2.5 million

And had Bush tried something ... anything ... maybe he could have prevented 9.11 and saved those 3,000 lives and 2.5 million jobs. Thanks for pointing out what a monumental failure Bush was.

Obviously you ignored this :
Gorelick Memo that created the wall between FBI & CIA thus no knowledge of the 9/11 bombers shared with the FBI!!!
looks especially imprudent 10 years later.
1995 memo she wrote, stated explicitly that they would “go beyond what is legally required, [to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.” GORELICK WALL!
Here read what NOT my words but other sources:
Jamie Gorelick’s wall barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation shortly before 9/11.

At the time, an enraged FBI investigator wrote a prophetic memo to headquarters about the wall
Whatever has happened to this — someday someone will die — and wall or not — the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems…..especially since the biggest threat to us UBL [Usama bin Laden], is getting the most protection.
So, a year before the 9/11 attacks, a special unit in the U.S. military was aware of the presence of an al-Queda cell in Brooklyn, New York, and sought to share its information with the FBI but was stopped cold.Why?Because (as described in the April 16, 2004 Washington Times piece) “on March 4, 1995, [Jamie Gorelick, the then number 2 official in the Clinton Justice Department, sent a 4-page directive] to FBI Director Louis Freeh and Mary Jo White, the New York-based U.S. attorney investigating the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. In the memo, Ms. Gorelick ordered Mr. Freeh and Ms. White to follow information-sharing procedures that ‘go beyond what is legally required,’ in order to avoid ‘any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance’ that the Justice Department was using Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants, instead of ordinary criminal investigative procedures, in an effort to undermine the civil liberties of terrorism suspects.”

Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? The Gorelick Memo and What We Knew


Then of course YOU totally ignored the Dot.com bust and the Anthrax attacks And the worst hurricane seasons! All again
Bush's fault???

Too stupid. The Gorelick wall did not prevent Bush from taking action. Something. Anything. Maybe some action could have prevented 9.11.

Bill Clinton should have invaded Afghanistan in 1998 instead of just firing Cruise Missiles which only ended up redistributing some dirt in Afghanistan. Bill Clinton left the Taliban, Al Quada, and SADDAM for Bush to deal with.

Clinton kept us safe inside the U.S. when Clinton warned us terrorists would try to attack us here, the right castigated him as an opportunist who was lying about the threat to spend more money and to get the public to forget about his impeachment.

Only it turned out Clinton was right.

 

[U2Edge]

Finally, it does not matter why it went down, only that it benefits Obama's unemployment numbers in a way that other Presidents on the list did not experience.

How so? Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford all had lower LFPR than Obama.

It masked the true strength of the economy. Its much easier to have 5% unemployment when the labor force participation rate is 62% than it is to have 5% unemployment when the labor force participation rate is 66%.

I'm sorry, that makes no sense. Let's say the Labor Force is 100,000,000. 5 million is still 5 million regardless of whether the population is 161,290,000 or 151,515,000. Why do you think it makes a difference?

Typically, the trend during Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Ford was that of a RISING Labor Force participation rate, especially as more women entered the workforce. So the economy had to produce more jobs to meet the influx of people into the workforce.

The decline of the labor force participation rate since Obama has been President is the MOST RAPID and consistent rate of decline for the labor force participation rate since World War II!

Here is why the labor force participation rate makes a difference. Say the labor force has 100 people with 10% unemployed. That means 90 people have jobs and 10 are looking waiting for a job to open up, for 10% unemployment. If 9 people leave, your left with a labor force of 91 people of which only 1 is unemployed. So the unemployment rate is now only 1.1% instead of 10% thanks to the labor force shrinking.

Everyone knows when the number of applicants gets smaller relative to the number of job openings, everyone has a better chance of landing a job. Its easier to make sure everyone is set up with a job when the number of people looking for a job is smaller. You'll have a harder time making sure everyone gets a job when the number of job seekers increase relative to the number of jobs.

In your example, 5 of those 9 people to leave the work force are retiring baby boomers, two more going on disability, and another is a student choosing school over work.

You then claim had all 9 looked for work, not one of them can find a job -- a claim challenged that you've failed to prove.

Does not matter why they leave the work force. The fact is they left, and it makes it easier then to have a lower unemployment rate.

I just used an example to try and explain in simple terms why ECONOMIST consistently say the labor force participation rate can and does impact the unemployment rate we see. Anyone could possibly find a job regardless of conditions. But that's not the point. Were dealing with millions of people here. When people leave the work force, it impacts the unemployment figures and ECONOMIST month after month have mentioned that as being a factor in unemployment rate dropping over the past several years.

A lower labor force participation rate can make finding a job easier for those that are still in the labor force. That is exactly what is happening.

 

[U2Edge]

And for people like you to totally totally IGNORE this shows how biased you guys are against GWB!
And NO other President had these events occur during that period. Events that really shook the USA and the world. Events NO other President
has ever had to keep the country encouraged. Keep the country enthused about getting up and going to work! These were terrible events.
Events that cost nearly 5,000 lives. Events that costs millions of jobs! Trillions of dollars! Trillions in lost payroll and income taxes!
Think what it must have been like to been one of these people that suffered through 9/11.
a) 3,000 dead, thousands of lives changed forever.
b) No airline traffic for 3 days no flights;
c) No Wall street for 10 days
d) 18,000 businesses loss...businesses that had to either start over or gave up!
e) 2,500,000 job lost. Ongoing uncertainty about the war on terror has contributed to the loss of more than 2.5 million jobs in the 18 months following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, said John A. Challenger, CEO of Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
Job losses since 9/11 attacks top 2.5 million

And had Bush tried something ... anything ... maybe he could have prevented 9.11 and saved those 3,000 lives and 2.5 million jobs. Thanks for pointing out what a monumental failure Bush was.

Obviously you ignored this :
Gorelick Memo that created the wall between FBI & CIA thus no knowledge of the 9/11 bombers shared with the FBI!!!
looks especially imprudent 10 years later.
1995 memo she wrote, stated explicitly that they would “go beyond what is legally required, [to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.” GORELICK WALL!
Here read what NOT my words but other sources:
Jamie Gorelick’s wall barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation shortly before 9/11.

At the time, an enraged FBI investigator wrote a prophetic memo to headquarters about the wall
Whatever has happened to this — someday someone will die — and wall or not — the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems…..especially since the biggest threat to us UBL [Usama bin Laden], is getting the most protection.
So, a year before the 9/11 attacks, a special unit in the U.S. military was aware of the presence of an al-Queda cell in Brooklyn, New York, and sought to share its information with the FBI but was stopped cold.Why?Because (as described in the April 16, 2004 Washington Times piece) “on March 4, 1995, [Jamie Gorelick, the then number 2 official in the Clinton Justice Department, sent a 4-page directive] to FBI Director Louis Freeh and Mary Jo White, the New York-based U.S. attorney investigating the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. In the memo, Ms. Gorelick ordered Mr. Freeh and Ms. White to follow information-sharing procedures that ‘go beyond what is legally required,’ in order to avoid ‘any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance’ that the Justice Department was using Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants, instead of ordinary criminal investigative procedures, in an effort to undermine the civil liberties of terrorism suspects.”

Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? The Gorelick Memo and What We Knew


Then of course YOU totally ignored the Dot.com bust and the Anthrax attacks And the worst hurricane seasons! All again
Bush's fault???

Too stupid. The Gorelick wall did not prevent Bush from taking action. Something. Anything. Maybe some action could have prevented 9.11.

Bill Clinton should have invaded Afghanistan in 1998 instead of just firing Cruise Missiles which only ended up redistributing some dirt in Afghanistan. Bill Clinton left the Taliban, Al Quada, and SADDAM for Bush to deal with.

Clinton kept us safe inside the U.S. when Clinton warned us terrorists would try to attack us here, the right castigated him as an opportunist who was lying about the threat to spend more money and to get the public to forget about his impeachment.

Only it turned out Clinton was right.

Clinton failed to properly deal with the Taliban, Al Qauda and SADDAM. Bush did far better on these threats than Clinton did.

Oh and the world trade center was bombed in February 1993 by foreign terrorist. Clinton did not prevent that and he failed to properly deal with the issue of terrorism during his entire 8 years in office. Bush's response to terrorism was vastly superior to Clintons!

If the February bombing in 1993 had succeeded in bringing down the trade towers, the loss of life would have greatly exceeded the loss of life on 9/11. Both towers would have been destroyed from the bottom up at a time when both buildings were filled with more people. Only the bombers incompetence on the size of the bomb used prevented that from happening.

 

[Faun]

Finally, it does not matter why it went down, only that it benefits Obama's unemployment numbers in a way that other Presidents on the list did not experience.

How so? Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford all had lower LFPR than Obama.

It masked the true strength of the economy. Its much easier to have 5% unemployment when the labor force participation rate is 62% than it is to have 5% unemployment when the labor force participation rate is 66%.

I'm sorry, that makes no sense. Let's say the Labor Force is 100,000,000. 5 million is still 5 million regardless of whether the population is 161,290,000 or 151,515,000. Why do you think it makes a difference?

Typically, the trend during Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Ford was that of a RISING Labor Force participation rate, especially as more women entered the workforce. So the economy had to produce more jobs to meet the influx of people into the workforce.

The decline of the labor force participation rate since Obama has been President is the MOST RAPID and consistent rate of decline for the labor force participation rate since World War II!

Here is why the labor force participation rate makes a difference. Say the labor force has 100 people with 10% unemployed. That means 90 people have jobs and 10 are looking waiting for a job to open up, for 10% unemployment. If 9 people leave, your left with a labor force of 91 people of which only 1 is unemployed. So the unemployment rate is now only 1.1% instead of 10% thanks to the labor force shrinking.

Everyone knows when the number of applicants gets smaller relative to the number of job openings, everyone has a better chance of landing a job. Its easier to make sure everyone is set up with a job when the number of people looking for a job is smaller. You'll have a harder time making sure everyone gets a job when the number of job seekers increase relative to the number of jobs.

In your example, 5 of those 9 people to leave the work force are retiring baby boomers, two more going on disability, and another is a student choosing school over work.

You then claim had all 9 looked for work, not one of them can find a job -- a claim challenged that you've failed to prove.

Does not matter why they leave the work force. The fact is they left, and it makes it easier then to have a lower unemployment rate.

I just used an example to try and explain in simple terms why ECONOMIST consistently say the labor force participation rate can and does impact the unemployment rate we see. Anyone could possibly find a job regardless of conditions. But that's not the point. Were dealing with millions of people here. When people leave the work force, it impacts the unemployment figures and ECONOMIST month after month have mentioned that as being a factor in unemployment rate dropping over the past several years.

A lower labor force participation rate can make finding a job easier for those that are still in the labor force. That is exactly what is happening.

Of course it matters. If people are leaving because they don't want to work, then it stands to reason they could work if they want to. Meanwhile, you're counting them as though they can't get a job.

 

[Faun]

And had Bush tried something ... anything ... maybe he could have prevented 9.11 and saved those 3,000 lives and 2.5 million jobs. Thanks for pointing out what a monumental failure Bush was.

Obviously you ignored this :
Gorelick Memo that created the wall between FBI & CIA thus no knowledge of the 9/11 bombers shared with the FBI!!!
looks especially imprudent 10 years later.
1995 memo she wrote, stated explicitly that they would “go beyond what is legally required, [to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.” GORELICK WALL!
Here read what NOT my words but other sources:
Jamie Gorelick’s wall barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation shortly before 9/11.

At the time, an enraged FBI investigator wrote a prophetic memo to headquarters about the wall
Whatever has happened to this — someday someone will die — and wall or not — the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems…..especially since the biggest threat to us UBL [Usama bin Laden], is getting the most protection.
So, a year before the 9/11 attacks, a special unit in the U.S. military was aware of the presence of an al-Queda cell in Brooklyn, New York, and sought to share its information with the FBI but was stopped cold.Why?Because (as described in the April 16, 2004 Washington Times piece) “on March 4, 1995, [Jamie Gorelick, the then number 2 official in the Clinton Justice Department, sent a 4-page directive] to FBI Director Louis Freeh and Mary Jo White, the New York-based U.S. attorney investigating the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. In the memo, Ms. Gorelick ordered Mr. Freeh and Ms. White to follow information-sharing procedures that ‘go beyond what is legally required,’ in order to avoid ‘any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance’ that the Justice Department was using Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants, instead of ordinary criminal investigative procedures, in an effort to undermine the civil liberties of terrorism suspects.”

Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? The Gorelick Memo and What We Knew


Then of course YOU totally ignored the Dot.com bust and the Anthrax attacks And the worst hurricane seasons! All again
Bush's fault???

Too stupid. The Gorelick wall did not prevent Bush from taking action. Something. Anything. Maybe some action could have prevented 9.11.

Bill Clinton should have invaded Afghanistan in 1998 instead of just firing Cruise Missiles which only ended up redistributing some dirt in Afghanistan. Bill Clinton left the Taliban, Al Quada, and SADDAM for Bush to deal with.

Clinton kept us safe inside the U.S. when Clinton warned us terrorists would try to attack us here, the right castigated him as an opportunist who was lying about the threat to spend more money and to get the public to forget about his impeachment.

Only it turned out Clinton was right.

Clinton failed to properly deal with the Taliban, Al Qauda and SADDAM. Bush did far better on these threats than Clinton did.

Oh and the world trade center was bombed in February 1993 by foreign terrorist. Clinton did not prevent that and he failed to properly deal with the issue of terrorism during his entire 8 years in office. Bush's response to terrorism was vastly superior to Clintons!

If the February bombing in 1993 had succeeded in bringing down the trade towers, the loss of life would have greatly exceeded the loss of life on 9/11. Both towers would have been destroyed from the bottom up at a time when both buildings were filled with more people. Only the bombers incompetence on the size of the bomb used prevented that from happening.

According to rightie logic, an attack only 5 weeks into Clinton's presidency is the fault of GHW Bush. Not to mention, what warning did Clinton have?

 

[U2Edge]

Obviously you ignored this :
Gorelick Memo that created the wall between FBI & CIA thus no knowledge of the 9/11 bombers shared with the FBI!!!
looks especially imprudent 10 years later.
1995 memo she wrote, stated explicitly that they would “go beyond what is legally required, [to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.” GORELICK WALL!
Here read what NOT my words but other sources:
Jamie Gorelick’s wall barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation shortly before 9/11.

At the time, an enraged FBI investigator wrote a prophetic memo to headquarters about the wall
Whatever has happened to this — someday someone will die — and wall or not — the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems…..especially since the biggest threat to us UBL [Usama bin Laden], is getting the most protection.
So, a year before the 9/11 attacks, a special unit in the U.S. military was aware of the presence of an al-Queda cell in Brooklyn, New York, and sought to share its information with the FBI but was stopped cold.Why?Because (as described in the April 16, 2004 Washington Times piece) “on March 4, 1995, [Jamie Gorelick, the then number 2 official in the Clinton Justice Department, sent a 4-page directive] to FBI Director Louis Freeh and Mary Jo White, the New York-based U.S. attorney investigating the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. In the memo, Ms. Gorelick ordered Mr. Freeh and Ms. White to follow information-sharing procedures that ‘go beyond what is legally required,’ in order to avoid ‘any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance’ that the Justice Department was using Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants, instead of ordinary criminal investigative procedures, in an effort to undermine the civil liberties of terrorism suspects.”

Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? The Gorelick Memo and What We Knew


Then of course YOU totally ignored the Dot.com bust and the Anthrax attacks And the worst hurricane seasons! All again
Bush's fault???

Too stupid. The Gorelick wall did not prevent Bush from taking action. Something. Anything. Maybe some action could have prevented 9.11.

Bill Clinton should have invaded Afghanistan in 1998 instead of just firing Cruise Missiles which only ended up redistributing some dirt in Afghanistan. Bill Clinton left the Taliban, Al Quada, and SADDAM for Bush to deal with.

Clinton kept us safe inside the U.S. when Clinton warned us terrorists would try to attack us here, the right castigated him as an opportunist who was lying about the threat to spend more money and to get the public to forget about his impeachment.

Only it turned out Clinton was right.

Clinton failed to properly deal with the Taliban, Al Qauda and SADDAM. Bush did far better on these threats than Clinton did.

Oh and the world trade center was bombed in February 1993 by foreign terrorist. Clinton did not prevent that and he failed to properly deal with the issue of terrorism during his entire 8 years in office. Bush's response to terrorism was vastly superior to Clintons!

If the February bombing in 1993 had succeeded in bringing down the trade towers, the loss of life would have greatly exceeded the loss of life on 9/11. Both towers would have been destroyed from the bottom up at a time when both buildings were filled with more people. Only the bombers incompetence on the size of the bomb used prevented that from happening.

According to rightie logic, an attack only 5 weeks into Clinton's presidency is the fault of GHW Bush. Not to mention, what warning did Clinton have?

Why should Clinton get a pass if Bush doesn't?

 

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Finally, it does not matter why it went down, only that it benefits Obama's unemployment numbers in a way that other Presidents on the list did not experience.

How so? Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford all had lower LFPR than Obama.

It masked the true strength of the economy. Its much easier to have 5% unemployment when the labor force participation rate is 62% than it is to have 5% unemployment when the labor force participation rate is 66%.

I'm sorry, that makes no sense. Let's say the Labor Force is 100,000,000. 5 million is still 5 million regardless of whether the population is 161,290,000 or 151,515,000. Why do you think it makes a difference?

Typically, the trend during Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Ford was that of a RISING Labor Force participation rate, especially as more women entered the workforce. So the economy had to produce more jobs to meet the influx of people into the workforce.

The decline of the labor force participation rate since Obama has been President is the MOST RAPID and consistent rate of decline for the labor force participation rate since World War II!

Here is why the labor force participation rate makes a difference. Say the labor force has 100 people with 10% unemployed. That means 90 people have jobs and 10 are looking waiting for a job to open up, for 10% unemployment. If 9 people leave, your left with a labor force of 91 people of which only 1 is unemployed. So the unemployment rate is now only 1.1% instead of 10% thanks to the labor force shrinking.

Everyone knows when the number of applicants gets smaller relative to the number of job openings, everyone has a better chance of landing a job. Its easier to make sure everyone is set up with a job when the number of people looking for a job is smaller. You'll have a harder time making sure everyone gets a job when the number of job seekers increase relative to the number of jobs.

In your example, 5 of those 9 people to leave the work force are retiring baby boomers, two more going on disability, and another is a student choosing school over work.

You then claim had all 9 looked for work, not one of them can find a job -- a claim challenged that you've failed to prove.

Does not matter why they leave the work force. The fact is they left, and it makes it easier then to have a lower unemployment rate.

I just used an example to try and explain in simple terms why ECONOMIST consistently say the labor force participation rate can and does impact the unemployment rate we see. Anyone could possibly find a job regardless of conditions. But that's not the point. Were dealing with millions of people here. When people leave the work force, it impacts the unemployment figures and ECONOMIST month after month have mentioned that as being a factor in unemployment rate dropping over the past several years.

A lower labor force participation rate can make finding a job easier for those that are still in the labor force. That is exactly what is happening.

Of course it matters. If people are leaving because they don't want to work, then it stands to reason they could work if they want to. Meanwhile, you're counting them as though they can't get a job.

Its not about their ability to work. Its about the impact of them not working or looking for work has on the unemployment rate! Understand? Its easier to have a lower unemployment rate if an unusually large number of people start leaving the labor force, regardless of the reason!